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Posted: 4/23/2024 6:46:15 PM EDT
[Last Edit: JamesJones]
[#1]
Dozens doesn't have the same ring to it as 69.
Any other numbers under 200 would have been stated in the headline. |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 6:50:11 PM EDT
[#2]
I'm a believer that if you can reasonably pass the roadside field sobriety test then you aren't DWI.
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Posted: 4/23/2024 6:50:38 PM EDT
[#3]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By USCG_CPO: The hits just keep rolling in. Oh sure, it's only a few bad apples here and there, certainly it couldn't just be the WHOLE FUCKING INDUSTRY is corrupt! 99% of cops give 1% of good cops a bad name. |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 6:51:33 PM EDT
[#4]
They picked a bad example in the article:
She asked him to take a field sobriety test. He declined and the high school senior was cuffed and taken to the Pearl City substation. |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 6:55:47 PM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CAsoldier: A car can smell like alcohol and the person not be drunk. Don’t be so quick to feel for all the poor souls in the article. I know acab and apples or whatever nonsense you’re programmed to say but DUID is a thing. So are people who smell like alcohol and an arrest will take so long they’re under the legal limit by the time they hit booking and finish a test. A DUI can last hours. Especially if it’s an accident (and many are) and the suspect needs to go to the hospital first. Or it’s too much to write a warrant. A DUI investigation can be manpower intensive for a simple misdemeanor. And an arrest simply solves the problem without prosecution. It’s not ideal but staffing is what it is these days. Lawyers have made DUIs some of the most complicated trials. An aggravated assault or robbery is an easier case. I’m sure these simple reasonable explanations will now be completely dismissed. Carry on. Sure, sure. You sound like part of the problem. |
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USA
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Posted: 4/23/2024 6:58:29 PM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SmilingBandit: When I read this story I thought to myself “There’s no way someone can try to defend this.” Way to simultaneously exceed and completely miss expectations. That’s because you know fuck all about DUI enforcement and being a cop, have your own preconceived notions based on erroneous information and are too close minded to believe anything that doesn’t conform to the beliefs that have been given to you. |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 6:58:39 PM EDT
[#7]
This "haole" will never spend a dime in or on a Hawaiian product. I will not go back to Hawaii after the last time. I guessing it was some fat Samoan, or fat Hawaiian threatened me to vacate or get beat. Most of the native Hawaiian culture is just like the most fervent liberal give me what im owed. Oh also Gun control in Hawaii, you better not be able to defend yourself against a 300 lb, 70 IQ moron you will take that lesson haole.
I will honestly say I did a shore dive on Maui and walked through some old school natives living in the woods. (Early to Mid 1990's) they were cool and didnt fuck with my shit on the beach. This was when Dole grew most of their pineapple on Maui. Dole is no longer growing Pineapples in Maui. |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 6:58:52 PM EDT
[#8]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Clemson_John: They picked a bad example in the article: I think it's pretty much guaranteed you're taking a ride if you refuse a sobriety test. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Clemson_John: They picked a bad example in the article: She asked him to take a field sobriety test. He declined and the high school senior was cuffed and taken to the Pearl City substation. I believe a refusal to test in the State of FL is an automatic revocation of your license for a period of time. |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 6:59:45 PM EDT
[#9]
“I pulled you over because you were swerving,”
This is part of the reason why i got a dashcam. |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 6:59:58 PM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By C-4: So the 80% of cases that were declined for prosecution had clean urine drug screens? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By C-4: Originally Posted By CAsoldier: They’re called drugs. So the 80% of cases that were declined for prosecution had clean urine drug screens? No the prosecutor there is likely a soros puppet, is protecting their trial rates or empathizes with criminals. Maybe all three. |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 7:02:14 PM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lorazepam: Sure, sure. You sound like part of the problem. Well tell me about your DUI experiences then. |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 7:07:04 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Marksman14]
[#12]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wjoutlaw: 100% of cops give 0% of good cops a bad name. Fixed  (I think?) |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/23/2024 7:08:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CAsoldier: They’re called drugs. Dur.... It's drugs.... It's gotta be drugs.... Durrrr..... Drugs .... Drugs.... Mmmm...... Drugs.... That's the nicest way of speaking to you, I have nothing nice to say.... |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/23/2024 7:09:50 PM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SuperStormBryan: Yeah. If literally anyone in the private sector fucked up 80% of the time, you can guess what would happen in short order. Must be nice to work for .gov and the bar is so low you'd have to be flat out literally criminal, and prosecutable at the the level you work at, to get fired. Even then just file an EO complaint and no one is touching that BS.... |
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USA
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Posted: 4/23/2024 7:10:24 PM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By StarJumper: Dur.... It's drugs.... It's gotta be drugs.... Durrrr..... Drugs .... Drugs.... Mmmm...... Drugs.... That's the nicest way of speaking to you, I have nothing nice to say.... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By StarJumper: Originally Posted By CAsoldier: They’re called drugs. Dur.... It's drugs.... It's gotta be drugs.... Durrrr..... Drugs .... Drugs.... Mmmm...... Drugs.... That's the nicest way of speaking to you, I have nothing nice to say.... I mean if that’s all your brain can muster up I’m proud of you just being able to type it out. |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 7:10:30 PM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By StarJumper: Dur.... It's drugs.... It's gotta be drugs.... Durrrr..... Drugs .... Drugs.... Mmmm...... Drugs.... That's the nicest way of speaking to you, I have nothing nice to say.... This is true. In fact if you look at the states that have legalized cannabis, Hawaii included, DUI's involving cannabis have dropped. |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 7:10:59 PM EDT
[#17]
4 or 5 ex girlfriends ago was a bar tender and she sucked at driving and did the drunk dance at least 3 times before we broke up.
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Posted: 4/23/2024 7:12:52 PM EDT
[#18]
Originally Posted By SigSauerLover: “I do detect the odor of alcohol.” That is the move of CSP and local sheriff deputys. You roll down your window - 'I smell marijuana/alchohol/drugs'....out of the car. |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 7:13:59 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CAsoldier: Well tell me about your DUI experiences then. I had a few, no one was less than double the limit back in the .10 days. The car can smell like a drunk driver, lol. |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 7:14:36 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Heuristic: That is the move of CSP and local sheriff deputys. You roll down your window - 'I smell marijuana/alchohol/drugs'....out of the car. Ugh, how many times has it happened to you? |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 7:15:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: ScottsGT]
[#21]
Had a friend/coworker 35 years back that was epileptic. He could not drink. Young guy, so he still hung out with friends that partied and drank.
At a party one night. Gets a drink spilled on him. Smelled like he was drinking. He wasn’t. Had a seizure on the way home and blacked out. Got woke up when the SC State Troopers were dragging him out of the car and beating his ass. He had one hell of a shiner and bruised up face. They protected and served the shit out of him. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/23/2024 7:15:41 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CAsoldier: I mean if that’s all your brain can muster up I’m proud of you just being able to type it out. ...and I'm surprised you came up with something other than.... Durrrr drugs,.... Durrrr drugs.... Durrrr..... You don't know what it's like being a shit bag cop..... Durrrr ..... |
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OK, USA
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Posted: 4/23/2024 7:17:49 PM EDT
[Last Edit: DrSutton]
[#23]
HPD....
 Anyone who's had to suffer with the displeasure of living in Hawaii knows how dirty HPD is, Banana Republic levels
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USA
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Posted: 4/23/2024 7:18:48 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By StarJumper: ...and I'm surprised you came up with something other than.... Durrrr drugs,.... Durrrr drugs.... Durrrr..... You don't know what it's like being a shit bag cop..... Durrrr ..... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By StarJumper: Originally Posted By CAsoldier: I mean if that’s all your brain can muster up I’m proud of you just being able to type it out. ...and I'm surprised you came up with something other than.... Durrrr drugs,.... Durrrr drugs.... Durrrr..... You don't know what it's like being a shit bag cop..... Durrrr ..... You seem really triggered by the drug comment. Tell us about your experience with them. Be specific. When was your last arrest? |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 7:19:22 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CAsoldier: A car can smell like alcohol and the person not be drunk. Don’t be so quick to feel for all the poor souls in the article. I know acab and apples or whatever nonsense you’re programmed to say but DUID is a thing. So are people who smell like alcohol and an arrest will take so long they’re under the legal limit by the time they hit booking and finish a test. A DUI can last hours. Especially if it’s an accident (and many are) and the suspect needs to go to the hospital first. Or it’s too much to write a warrant. A DUI investigation can be manpower intensive for a simple misdemeanor. And an arrest simply solves the problem without prosecution. It’s not ideal but staffing is what it is these days. Lawyers have made DUIs some of the most complicated trials. An aggravated assault or robbery is an easier case. I’m sure these simple reasonable explanations will now be completely dismissed. Carry on. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CAsoldier: Originally Posted By SmilingBandit: Originally Posted By CAsoldier: They’re called drugs. Body camera video shows the officer told Fepuleai, “I do detect the odor of alcohol.” Fepuleai told the officer that he does not drink at all, and agreed to do the field sobriety tests, including the breath test. Fepuleai blew 0.00 at the scene. The officer used the smell of alcohol as probable cause to get Fepuleai out of the car. They are called liars. A car can smell like alcohol and the person not be drunk. Don’t be so quick to feel for all the poor souls in the article. I know acab and apples or whatever nonsense you’re programmed to say but DUID is a thing. So are people who smell like alcohol and an arrest will take so long they’re under the legal limit by the time they hit booking and finish a test. A DUI can last hours. Especially if it’s an accident (and many are) and the suspect needs to go to the hospital first. Or it’s too much to write a warrant. A DUI investigation can be manpower intensive for a simple misdemeanor. And an arrest simply solves the problem without prosecution. It’s not ideal but staffing is what it is these days. Lawyers have made DUIs some of the most complicated trials. An aggravated assault or robbery is an easier case. I’m sure these simple reasonable explanations will now be completely dismissed. Carry on. “When I was a policeman, I never had anybody blow triple zeros,” said Jonathan Burge, a former HPD officer who is now a defense attorney specializing in traffic cases. Burge said the department puts pressure on officers to make drunk driving arrests, “especially if you’re in these specialized units, where there is an unwritten quota.” Roy |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 7:21:05 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lorazepam: I had a few, no one was less than double the limit back in the .10 days. The car can smell like a drunk driver, lol. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lorazepam: Originally Posted By CAsoldier: Well tell me about your DUI experiences then. I had a few, no one was less than double the limit back in the .10 days. The car can smell like a drunk driver, lol. Thank you for sharing your story. |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 7:21:16 PM EDT
[#27]
The forced blood draws around here are almost always in .15 to .25% range. You have to be real shit faced to get cuffed and stuffed around here.
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Posted: 4/23/2024 7:22:35 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CAsoldier: You seem really triggered by the drug comment. Tell us about your experience with them. Be specific. When was your last arrest? You seem triggered by folks not liking cops who fish for charges. Be specific. When was the last time you falsely charged someone? |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 7:25:16 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lorazepam: You seem triggered by folks not liking cops who fish for charges. Be specific. When was the last time you falsely charged someone? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lorazepam: Originally Posted By CAsoldier: You seem really triggered by the drug comment. Tell us about your experience with them. Be specific. When was your last arrest? You seem triggered by folks not liking cops who fish for charges. Be specific. When was the last time you falsely charged someone? Never. There’s enough people doing stupid shit you don’t have to make things up. I also generally find people with low opinions of cops are usually on the wrong side of the law more often than not. You’re a good example of that for instance. |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 7:25:51 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CAsoldier: A car can smell like alcohol and the person not be drunk. Don’t be so quick to feel for all the poor souls in the article. I know acab and apples or whatever nonsense you’re programmed to say but DUID is a thing. So are people who smell like alcohol and an arrest will take so long they’re under the legal limit by the time they hit booking and finish a test. A DUI can last hours. Especially if it’s an accident (and many are) and the suspect needs to go to the hospital first. Or it’s too much to write a warrant. A DUI investigation can be manpower intensive for a simple misdemeanor. And an arrest simply solves the problem without prosecution. It’s not ideal but staffing is what it is these days. Lawyers have made DUIs some of the most complicated trials. An aggravated assault or robbery is an easier case. I’m sure these simple reasonable explanations will now be completely dismissed. Carry on. I don't care what the car smells like, if they pass the tests then you have no reason to arrest them. |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 7:26:42 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Marksman14]
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ScottsGT: Had a friend/coworker 35 years back that was epileptic. He could not drink. Young guy, so he still hung out with friends that partied and drank. At a party one night. Gets a drink spilled on him. Smelled like he was drinking. He wasn’t. Had a seizure on the way home and blacked out. Got woke up when the SC State Troopers were dragging him out of the car and beating his ass. He had one hell of a shiner and bruised up face. They protected and served the shit out of him. I miss the days when epileptics could drive without restrictions. Right to travel and all that. Now "illegal seizure" means so much more with all the bad cops running around. |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 7:28:30 PM EDT
[#32]
I lived in Honolulu back in the 90’s and was amazed at how incredibly corrupt HPD is. We lived with my wife’s cousin and were warned as soon as we got there to avoid local cops.
Meth was just hitting the island and HPD seemed to really like it. There were multiple arrests and convictions of Honolulu officers for dealing meth, but it seemed most of their arrests were for stealing tourists identities. |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 7:28:32 PM EDT
[#33]
Aloha Spirit...
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/23/2024 7:29:37 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CAsoldier: You seem really triggered by the drug comment. Tell us about your experience with them. Be specific. When was your last arrest? What person with a lick of sense would make "Durrrr....drugs", excuses for criminal, lying, shit bags other than someone who can relate to that kind of behavior? Can you detail all the times you've railroaded, lied, schemed and cooked up some BS to railroad an innocent person since you seem to be sympathetic to this type of policing? |
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MI, USA
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Posted: 4/23/2024 7:36:10 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Prijador]
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CAsoldier: Where I work a DA will try to drop vehiclular manslaughter charges because it might get the accused deported. No shit. Manslaughter means they killed someone, and the DA let them go to do it again. (And for the viewers at home, CAsoldier isn’t making this up, I have heard this from other LEO and attorneys in Cali) |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 7:37:13 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CAsoldier: Never. There’s enough people doing stupid shit you don’t have to make things up. I also generally find people with low opinions of cops are usually on the wrong side of the law more often than not. You’re a good example of that for instance. I found working with them, that many cops have pretty low intelligence. You are a good example of this. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/23/2024 7:38:39 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Smash47: The prosecutor should have to serve all that time combined and pay all those fines and court costs seized from his personal assets. That's how you stop law abuse. Did you read the whole thing? The prosecutor was declining 80% of their cases. Their watch sergeant, chief and the individual officers need to be punished. |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 7:39:26 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lorazepam: I found working with them, that many cops have pretty low intelligence. You are a good example of this. You have to work with *them* too? Jesus
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Posted: 4/23/2024 7:41:38 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Marksman14: You have to work with *them* too? Jesus Nope. I left and went to college, and found a better job. |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 7:42:32 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By StarJumper: What person with a lick of sense would make "Durrrr....drugs", excuses for criminal, lying, shit bags other than someone who can relate to that kind of behavior? Can you detail all the times you've railroaded, lied, schemed and cooked up some BS to railroad an innocent person since you seem to be sympathetic to this type of policing? DUI laws, enforcement and prosecution is a complex subject. There’s plenty of reasons a person could be taken in for a DUI and blow zeros. They don’t just get let go and the officer may have to rely on observation or write a warrant for blood. Without that a DA likely will drop charges. That doesn’t mean the cop made stuff up or the person wasnt impaired. It just means that there’s not enough evidence for a slam dunk conviction. If you don’t understand that concept it’s not a failure of the person explaining it. |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 7:42:58 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Marksman14]
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lorazepam: Nope. I left and went to college, and found a better job. Amen. What did you move on to? |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 7:43:55 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lorazepam: I found working with them, that many cops have pretty low intelligence. You are a good example of this. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lorazepam: Originally Posted By CAsoldier: Never. There’s enough people doing stupid shit you don’t have to make things up. I also generally find people with low opinions of cops are usually on the wrong side of the law more often than not. You’re a good example of that for instance. I found working with them, that many cops have pretty low intelligence. You are a good example of this. I’m sure with your shared experience you’re a beacon of good decision making rooted in intelligence. |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 7:45:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CAsoldier: Where I work a DA will try to drop vehiclular manslaughter charges because it might get the accused deported. No shit. I've seen way worse. Had a guy with pending Rape, Kidnapping, assault with a deadly weapon, and about 10 lesser charges, skipped bond, and PA wouldn't extradite him because he was illegal |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 7:48:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Seabee_Mech: There was another I remember from UT HP, I'm on my phone and too lazy to look her up ETA: Ok, looked her up (former) Corporal Lisa Steed and Trooper of the Year (she had over 750 DUI arrests) Utah A.G.'s office settles lawsuit over DUI arrests of former Trooper Lisa Steed There was a deputy here around Birmingham about 24 or 25 years ago that was doing similar shenanigans on the interstate. He was setting records for DUI arrests and something similar to this happened and I believe many of them were thrown out |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 7:48:36 PM EDT
[#45]
Sure are some thin skinned LEOs out in the world.
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GA, USA
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Posted: 4/23/2024 7:48:53 PM EDT
[#46]
Probably Kava
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Posted: 4/23/2024 7:51:10 PM EDT
[#47]
"DRE"= Because we didn't have a ouija dog, and because I fucking said so!"
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/23/2024 7:52:50 PM EDT
[Last Edit: StarJumper]
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CAsoldier: DUI laws, enforcement and prosecution is a complex subject. There’s plenty of reasons a person could be taken in for a DUI and blow zeros. They don’t just get let go and the officer may have to rely on observation or write a warrant for blood. Without that a DA likely will drop charges. That doesn’t mean the cop made stuff up or the person wasnt impaired. It just means that there’s not enough evidence for a slam dunk conviction. If you don’t understand that concept it’s not a failure of the person explaining it. I will defer to your expertise in charging people who test negative for drugs and/or alcohol. You hold yourself up as expert at charging people who pass all tests... Again.... How many innocent people have you railroaded, since this seems to be an area in which you have lots of experience and expertise? |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 7:54:31 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/23/2024 7:54:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BLITZ999: Got to fund those pensions some how. Take the word "pension" out of that sentence and replace it with "401k" and most of this bullshit would evaporate into thin air |
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