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Posted: 4/23/2024 7:54:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Smash47: The prosecutor should have to serve all that time combined and pay all those fines and court costs seized from his personal assets. That's how you stop law abuse. Yep. |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 7:58:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By STRIKE504: https://i.imgflip.com/kxs8m.jpg Cant throw one until you know how to read one 
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/23/2024 8:02:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CAsoldier: A car can smell like alcohol and the person not be drunk. Don’t be so quick to feel for all the poor souls in the article. I know acab and apples or whatever nonsense you’re programmed to say but DUID is a thing. So are people who smell like alcohol and an arrest will take so long they’re under the legal limit by the time they hit booking and finish a test. A DUI can last hours. Especially if it’s an accident (and many are) and the suspect needs to go to the hospital first. Or it’s too much to write a warrant. A DUI investigation can be manpower intensive for a simple misdemeanor. And an arrest simply solves the problem without prosecution. It’s not ideal but staffing is what it is these days. Lawyers have made DUIs some of the most complicated trials. An aggravated assault or robbery is an easier case. I’m sure these simple reasonable explanations will now be completely dismissed. Carry on. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CAsoldier: Originally Posted By SmilingBandit: Originally Posted By CAsoldier: They’re called drugs. Body camera video shows the officer told Fepuleai, “I do detect the odor of alcohol.” Fepuleai told the officer that he does not drink at all, and agreed to do the field sobriety tests, including the breath test. Fepuleai blew 0.00 at the scene. The officer used the smell of alcohol as probable cause to get Fepuleai out of the car. They are called liars. A car can smell like alcohol and the person not be drunk. Don’t be so quick to feel for all the poor souls in the article. I know acab and apples or whatever nonsense you’re programmed to say but DUID is a thing. So are people who smell like alcohol and an arrest will take so long they’re under the legal limit by the time they hit booking and finish a test. A DUI can last hours. Especially if it’s an accident (and many are) and the suspect needs to go to the hospital first. Or it’s too much to write a warrant. A DUI investigation can be manpower intensive for a simple misdemeanor. And an arrest simply solves the problem without prosecution. It’s not ideal but staffing is what it is these days. Lawyers have made DUIs some of the most complicated trials. An aggravated assault or robbery is an easier case. I’m sure these simple reasonable explanations will now be completely dismissed. Carry on. Holy SHIT!!!!  |
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AK, USA
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Posted: 4/23/2024 8:03:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By redfish86: Fuck Hawaii |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 4/23/2024 8:06:04 PM EDT
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Boy, Hawaii in the 90’s and 2000’s it was seatbelt use as the excuse to pull you over and see if driving under the influence.
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Posted: 4/23/2024 8:16:43 PM EDT
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Lol. I’ll take OWVI for $500.
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 4/23/2024 8:18:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NCPatrolAR: This is one of the reasons we articulate the odor of an alcoholic beverage coming from the breath of the driver during trial. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NCPatrolAR: Originally Posted By CAsoldier: A car can smell like alcohol and the person not be drunk. This is one of the reasons we articulate the odor of an alcoholic beverage coming from the breath of the driver during trial. |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 8:21:54 PM EDT
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Haloes?
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USA
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Posted: 4/23/2024 8:23:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CAsoldier: They’re called drugs. Found the cop
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Posted: 4/23/2024 8:25:40 PM EDT
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They fail field sobriety?
Opiates, benzodiazepines, thc. |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 8:30:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Millennial: There's TONS of cops that don't do shit like this. In fact, with something like 700k police officers across the US and only a couple incidents of police abuse reported a day... >99% of cops out there aren't abusing people rights. The problem is that other 99% either look the other way whenever it happens, sweep it under the rug, or circle the wagons around the offending officer to protect them. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Millennial: Originally Posted By gotigers: Are there any good cops any more? There's TONS of cops that don't do shit like this. In fact, with something like 700k police officers across the US and only a couple incidents of police abuse reported a day... >99% of cops out there aren't abusing people rights. The problem is that other 99% either look the other way whenever it happens, sweep it under the rug, or circle the wagons around the offending officer to protect them. A good cop that looks the other way is not a good cop. |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 8:30:50 PM EDT
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That one cop must have been busy as hell, cause it was just one right?
There couldn’t have been that many police officers doing that kind of thing, right? Isolated incidents and all that. Cause [deleted] |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 8:38:25 PM EDT
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Hopefully they sue the shit out of them.
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USA
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Posted: 4/23/2024 8:40:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CAsoldier: That’s because you know fuck all about DUI enforcement and being a cop, have your own preconceived notions based on erroneous information and are too close minded to believe anything that doesn’t conform to the beliefs that have been given to you. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CAsoldier: Originally Posted By SmilingBandit: When I read this story I thought to myself “There’s no way someone can try to defend this.” Way to simultaneously exceed and completely miss expectations. That’s because you know fuck all about DUI enforcement and being a cop, have your own preconceived notions based on erroneous information and are too close minded to believe anything that doesn’t conform to the beliefs that have been given to you. What's funny is that you don't attack the post of another cop in the thread that said "This is one of the reasons we articulate the odor of an alcoholic beverage coming from the breath of the driver during trial." to your post. An odor of alcohol as the justification then coming up with zero fucking alcohol on the guy seems like a problem for most people. You can't articulate how that's not, but instead blame drugs as an absurd knee jerk reaction to defend your tribe. |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 8:50:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MHowski: Isn’t there enough crime that they don’t need to go making it up? My fave was the drug whisperer cop in Georgia. The people he arrested for driving under the influence of drugs kept coming up with clean post arrest drug tests and they actually said it was the lab tests were wrong and their drug recognition expert was right as he was so highly trained. That was Cobb county Georgia |
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USA
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Posted: 4/23/2024 8:54:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By whiskerz: That was Cobb county Georgia Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By whiskerz: Originally Posted By MHowski: Isn’t there enough crime that they don’t need to go making it up? My fave was the drug whisperer cop in Georgia. The people he arrested for driving under the influence of drugs kept coming up with clean post arrest drug tests and they actually said it was the lab tests were wrong and their drug recognition expert was right as he was so highly trained. That was Cobb county Georgia That guy went through a 40 hour class to become an expert. Who are you going to believe? Him and his subjective observations or some nerds with objective data? |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 9:26:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Marksman14: Ugh, how many times has it happened to you? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Marksman14: Originally Posted By Heuristic: That is the move of CSP and local sheriff deputys. You roll down your window - 'I smell marijuana/alchohol/drugs'....out of the car. Ugh, how many times has it happened to you? More than a few times. Back before the state legalized weed that was SOP in mountain towns. I never burned the jazz cabbage, but it was an excuse for them to expand the search of your truck. If you refused they'd make you sit 45 minutes until the dog unit got there. |
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MP, USA
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Posted: 4/23/2024 9:36:26 PM EDT
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Cops.
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/23/2024 9:40:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MHowski: The DA is declining to press charges in 80% of cases that are brought to them. Someone needs to see what the fuck is going on with that dept. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MHowski: Originally Posted By Smash47: The prosecutor should have to serve all that time combined and pay all those fines and court costs seized from his personal assets. That's how you stop law abuse. The DA is declining to press charges in 80% of cases that are brought to them. Someone needs to see what the fuck is going on with that dept. data from the Honolulu Prosecutor’s Office that showed most cases that HPD refers to them are declined. Last year, HPD sent 1,283 cases for prosecution but 1,038 were rejected — that means 80% were declined. That's pretty normal. Our county attorneys office will not prosecute a criminal trespass case and will reject every one. A homeless guy comes on your property and does homeless people things. You call us and we issue a written criminal trespass warning and tell him not to come back. He shows up back on the property later, so you call us and off to jail he goes. The county attorneys office will reject the case and decline prosecution, so homeless guy gets sent back out to do homeless people things all over again. This is in a red county and a red state, with a republican county and district attorney. |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 9:43:52 PM EDT
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Clicked to see arfcops defending the indefensible.
Wasn’t disappointed. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 4/23/2024 9:45:59 PM EDT
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If you blow snake eyes, they don’t unarrest you. lol.
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NV, USA
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Posted: 4/23/2024 9:51:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FJB247: I'm not a cop but I've seen plenty of people driving under the influence of intoxicants other than alcohol. When the pill epidemic was in full swing you'd see guys nodding out while driving, doing 20 under the limit, swerving within the lane, and driving the wrong direction. They'd fail the field sobriety test but pass the breath test. They'd take them to jail and do a blood test where they'd test positive for something intoxicating. Do you really think if an officer can get an arrest they will stop at alcohol? If the person blows zeros and the officer can articulate that perhaps it was drugs not alcohol, you don't think they would pursue it? Not that they would win that fight either because a drug blood draw would also show negative and the crooked cop knows it. So they drop the whole thing or let it get crushed by the DA office. |
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NV, USA
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Posted: 4/23/2024 9:54:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CAsoldier: A car can smell like alcohol and the person not be drunk. Don’t be so quick to feel for all the poor souls in the article. I know acab and apples or whatever nonsense you’re programmed to say but DUID is a thing. So are people who smell like alcohol and an arrest will take so long they’re under the legal limit by the time they hit booking and finish a test. A DUI can last hours. Especially if it’s an accident (and many are) and the suspect needs to go to the hospital first. Or it’s too much to write a warrant. A DUI investigation can be manpower intensive for a simple misdemeanor. And an arrest simply solves the problem without prosecution. It’s not ideal but staffing is what it is these days. Lawyers have made DUIs some of the most complicated trials. An aggravated assault or robbery is an easier case. I’m sure these simple reasonable explanations will now be completely dismissed. Carry on. Your TBL sticker in the back window of your vehicle is starting to fade. You need a fresh one sir. |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 9:57:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MHowski: Isn’t there enough crime that they don’t need to go making it up? My fave was the drug whisperer cop in Georgia. The people he arrested for driving under the influence of drugs kept coming up with clean post arrest drug tests and they actually said it was the lab tests were wrong and their drug recognition expert was right as he was so highly trained. Crime ? That'll get their asses shot off . Just go fuck with motorists and make us money. |
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USA
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Posted: 4/23/2024 10:00:25 PM EDT
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They were possibly high on weed. Breathalyzer will not show that, but they could still be under influence.
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GA, USA
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Posted: 4/23/2024 10:13:29 PM EDT
[Last Edit: phungus]
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The only time I've ever served on a jury it was for a DUI.
We had testimony from two cops, one arresting officer the other his backup. We saw video from two different body cameras and a car camera. The arresting cops testified to several things like the person slurring speech, unsteady while standing, unable to perform the sobriety testing correctly. He even said the guy dropped his license when handing it to him. None of any of that was in the videos, in fact the guy didn't drop the license the cop did, twice. The cop kind of got agitated with the guy who asked a question about one of the tests he took. The guy remained calm through the whole thing even after they arrested him, and he kept telling them both he didn't drink. Breath test was negative a zero. The defense did a good job of pointing out everything the state failed to prove, and it took us about 15 minutes and a single vote to find him not guilty. Thing that I remember the most was the look on the prosecutor's face when the verdict was ready. He was surprised. After the case was over, I saw a short story in our local fish wrapper about it and I learned the guy who was arrested had obtained a blood test after he got out of jail that showed no drugs or alcohol in his system, but it wasn't allowed into trial. So, I felt good about my vote, but I do remember us jurors talking, and we were beginning to doubt ourselves because we couldn't line up the cop's testimony with the video we saw. Finally, one of the others just said maybe the cops either didn't know what they were doing or they just made up a narrative to fit their case. We all agreed something wasn't right and voted not guilty. Anyway...  |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 10:55:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HDLS: There will likely be some cops here that will try to justify it. |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 11:04:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CAsoldier: (Snip)….I also generally find people with low opinions of cops are usually on the wrong side of the law more often than not…… (/snip) . Which came first….the chicken or the egg? It’s not necessarily cause and effect. I know this is going to blow your mind, but you are subject to a thing called “sampling bias”. There are lots of people out there on the “right side of the law” ….whatever that is…who have a low opinion of cops. I guess I’ll need to draw you a Venn diagram. |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 11:15:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Heuristic: More than a few times. Back before the state legalized weed that was SOP in mountain towns. I never burned the jazz cabbage, but it was an excuse for them to expand the search of your truck. If you refused they'd make you sit 45 minutes until the dog unit got there. Rodriguez v. United States now says a 45 minute wait for the ouija dog is too long: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodriguez_v._United_States |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 11:18:55 PM EDT
[Last Edit: EvilApplesauce]
[#30]
I believe it.
I looked / Eta - never mind, I was wrong |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 4/23/2024 11:39:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gotigers: Are there any good cops any more? Not many left in PA. Local or State. |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 4/23/2024 11:46:43 PM EDT
[#32]
Eh, I got charged with OVI and wasn't even allowed to do a PBT (I offered). Passed the field sobriety, but the guy was so conviced I was "on something" he eventually had me piss and charged me on the spot. Years (almost two years) and a couple thousand dollars later the results came in flat zeros on EVERYTHING, and I was "let off" with a lane change violation. It's still my opinion you should be offered a chemical test straight away and go from there, not the other way around.
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USA
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Posted: 4/23/2024 11:49:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lorazepam: I found working with them, that many cops have pretty low intelligence. You are a good example of this. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lorazepam: Originally Posted By CAsoldier: Never. There’s enough people doing stupid shit you don’t have to make things up. I also generally find people with low opinions of cops are usually on the wrong side of the law more often than not. You’re a good example of that for instance. I found working with them, that many cops have pretty low intelligence. You are a good example of this. Are you on the wrong side of the law or is he just casting aspersions on your character? |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 11:56:20 PM EDT
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You don't need alcohol to be DUI.
Pain pills Drugs-Legal and otherwise Can all contribute to intoxication. |
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USA
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Posted: 4/23/2024 11:58:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fadedsun: You don't need alcohol to be DUI. Pain pills Drugs-Legal and otherwise Can all contribute to intoxication. Do you need any objective evidence to prove it or just an officer's opinion? |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 4/24/2024 12:01:26 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 21usernamechecksout]
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Posted: 4/24/2024 12:10:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By USCG_CPO: The hits just keep rolling in. Oh sure, it's only a few bad apples here and there, certainly it couldn't just be the WHOLE FUCKING INDUSTRY is corrupt! They love that $$$$$$$ rolling in. What a few lawsuits from the ones that can afford it when they can hem up 100’s of other. |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 12:16:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CAsoldier: Never. There’s enough people doing stupid shit you don’t have to make things up. I also generally find people with low opinions of cops are usually on the wrong side of the law more often than not. You’re a good example of that for instance. I generally find people with high opinions of cops being cops themselves. Or others that don’t want to be on “the list”.YMMV. |
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USA
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Posted: 4/24/2024 2:08:03 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Master_Blaster]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ThatGuy91K: That's pretty normal. Our county attorneys office will not prosecute a criminal trespass case and will reject every one. A homeless guy comes on your property and does homeless people things. You call us and we issue a written criminal trespass warning and tell him not to come back. He shows up back on the property later, so you call us and off to jail he goes. The county attorneys office will reject the case and decline prosecution, so homeless guy gets sent back out to do homeless people things all over again. This is in a red county and a red state, with a republican county and district attorney. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ThatGuy91K: That's pretty normal. Our county attorneys office will not prosecute a criminal trespass case and will reject every one. A homeless guy comes on your property and does homeless people things. You call us and we issue a written criminal trespass warning and tell him not to come back. He shows up back on the property later, so you call us and off to jail he goes. The county attorneys office will reject the case and decline prosecution, so homeless guy gets sent back out to do homeless people things all over again. This is in a red county and a red state, with a republican county and district attorney. That's the trend. Originally Posted By batjka104: They were possibly high on weed. Breathalyzer will not show that, but they could still be under influence. Sounds like solid evidence to me. 
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USA
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Posted: 4/24/2024 2:11:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SmilingBandit: Do you need any objective evidence to prove it or just an officer's opinion? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SmilingBandit: Originally Posted By fadedsun: You don't need alcohol to be DUI. Pain pills Drugs-Legal and otherwise Can all contribute to intoxication. Do you need any objective evidence to prove it or just an officer's opinion? You know the drill. |
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NV, USA
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Posted: 4/24/2024 2:14:13 AM EDT
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Minority report and pre crime was supposed to be just a movie.
Not this low rent shit. |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 2:35:03 AM EDT
[Last Edit: fadedsun]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SmilingBandit: Do you need any objective evidence to prove it or just an officer's opinion? Intoxication can be proven through the presence of marijuana or other intoxicants in an individual's system at the time of arrest along with observations and SFSTs. Blood test is needed unless some fancy method of proving has come out I'm not aware of. Blood doesn't lie. |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 3:09:27 AM EDT
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Of all the places I've lived in the last 20 years, Hawaii is the worst. Biggest nanny police state whose priorities are non existent. So you can get arrested for DUI even though you're not drunk meanwhile the hobo bum screaming like a lunatic and high out of his mind across the street from your arrest.. not a problem.
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MT, USA
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Posted: 4/24/2024 3:12:41 AM EDT
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So if a person is driving like shit, showing other indicators and refuses tests what are the cops supposed to do?
Also- zeros doesn’t mean sober. |
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Posted: 4/24/2024 4:43:45 AM EDT
[#45]
Just another isolated incident.
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Posted: 4/24/2024 5:29:24 AM EDT
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back da blue!
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AL, USA
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Posted: 4/24/2024 5:45:25 AM EDT
[#47]
I see the thin blue line apologists have arrived. I swear, some of yall just come up with everything you can to justify and outright defend corruption.
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USA
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Posted: 4/24/2024 5:53:34 AM EDT
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Pro-bowl left Hawaii because of HPD.
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FL, USA
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Posted: 4/24/2024 6:03:54 AM EDT
[#49]
I've made plenty of .000 g/210l arrests. I plan on making a hell of alot more if cannabis is legalized for recreation this year.
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Posted: 4/24/2024 7:47:54 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Heuristic]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By H8train375: I've made plenty of .000 g/210l arrests. I plan on making a hell of alot more if cannabis is legalized for recreation this year. *well there it is* gif |
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