Wowe such heros.

Hawaii has horrible laws on freedom but this is spot on.

You can be intoxicated without a single drop of alcohol.

only a couple bad apples, keep moving along, peasant citizen.

LOL.  Just want to quote this so it doesnt go away.  Damn, I already feel safer.

The breath test only checks for alcohol.

We all assuming they weren’t under the influence of other drugs?

Only the cops here say acab.

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What part confused you?

One of the examples in the story was a dui checkpoint where the cop said he smelled alcohol.  So no driving indicators, turns out no alcohol (blew a 0.0), so just like all the cops in this thread defending it says oh it must be drugs.  Any chance the FSTs and cops observations weren’t as objective as they would like you to believe?

I'm not seeing anything about blood draws, or results.

Jay

Do they do blood draws for those arrests?

We had a member here arrested for driving while under the influence of drugs based on a bad turn and the officers observations, I forget if he did FSTs.  Anyway they didn’t do a blood test just breath and it took a while and a lot of money to get it dropped. I think he paid for a private blood test bc the state didn’t do it.  If people are being arrested for drugs they should be offered a blood draw.  At least it would help with the criminal cases although in the case of the drug whisperer they let the cop go on a while making bullshit arrests believing him over the blood draws.

So just to clarify, charges only get pursued if there are is a chemical test that shows intoxicating substances?

Get consent or a warrant for a blood draw.

You're going to get some mileage out of this one.

the lie that only cops in GD say ACAB.

It's generalized cop bashing when non-cops say it.  It's taking power back if cops use it.  It's your own N word.

And apparently, no proof necessary. How very cold war era Eastern European of you. Good Ukrainian. Mother Russia approves.

You missed a recent thread where a prosceutor said that if you have some eye problems you should keep a note from your doctor in your glove box to prove your innocence to roadside "experts".  

I have a client who got a DUI (arrest) while driving a city bus based on valid meds, by a roadside cop scientist - did a video on it. The two biggest problems in law enforcement for regular people like us IMO is this DUI voodoo bullshit, and also the interdiction bullshit they spoon feed these Einsteins.

The funny thing is that in rural areas like where I live, you generally only see DUIs when someone is actually really drunk. Because they crash on these roads. No need to make shit up.

Seems the story supports the rotten apple theory of policing as being the issue here. I'm sure the prosecutor is as huge a Piece Of Shit as those popo's are being shown to be. It's Hawaii, after all.

This was back in 2007.

https://www.tampabay.com/archive/2007/06/15/dui-deputy-may-have-wrongly-jailed-dozens/

That video sure was informative.

Folks keep saying some derivative that we need law enforcement to be respected and functional.  I have yet to come across an officer that believes respect is a factor at all.  It’s certainly not considered that respect is required to be functional.  When those in authority discuss respect, what they are referring to is their desire for your COMPLIANCE.  The two are not the same.

Normal behavior from our beloved thin blue lined friends.

just read the article - wow. here’s a quote from it, from the cop himself - Said Brock: "I mean, perfect world, we need more deputies and fewer people."

Your blood test is going to prove that some stoner was intoxicated on thc - while driving?

Cops have been proven to be liars. Professional Liars.
You do the math. But not that fuzzy Po-Po math..

To trust LEO these days, without proof being shown that is waaaaaaaaaaaaaay beyond a reasonable doubt, is folly.

The article said the arresting officer claimed they smelled alcohol.....what other drugs smell like alcohol but don't show up on a breath test?

Those Haoles probably didn't have a Mahalo rewards card

My buddy told me about a teen he arrested after finding a large jar full of marijuana in his backpack, during a traffic stop. The backpack had the teens name on it, his school ID was in it, and was full of schoolwork with his name on it. The DA dismissed the charges because they couldn't prove the jar of weed in the backpack actually belonged to the teen.

You must hate all cops.

Good.

That’s really scary.  That means that 70% of women are out in the world unmedicated! 😁

Probably because your buddy violated the 4th Amendment, rather than for the reason he gave you. It's pretty common that cops don't understand they can't necessarily just search a passenger's backpack during a traffic stop using the same RS or PC applicable to the car's driver.

Some kind of personal consequences, yes.

Systems without negative feedback always wind up with cultures of rampant corruption.

You can, but you'll excuse me if I don't take the policeman word for it.

Because I don't.  If the only evidence is "officer observed" then I'm acquitting on the basis of reasonable doubt.

QFT It's only going to get worse...... Covid showed me everything I needed to know about who they actually worked for, And it not got the people. It's for the benefits....

Back the blue!

Not for nothing but the weed the kids are smoking these days has an extremely powerful smell.  No bull shit I’ve been able to smell it 50 feet away and tell you what car it’s coming from.  I could always tell when my neighbors son got home and he smoked in the house.  I apparently can’t smell the “Dab pens” but I don’t see how it can be any question if someone has weed on them or not.

That was me. (And the post you quoted was probably the cop that arrested me ha ha)
I actually did the Field Tests however being old and out of shape at the time after a long drive I performed marginally but only provided 2 of the necessary 4 minimum clues needed for PC arrest. Mormon rookie cop however didn't like the fact I was a long-haired Seattle musician despite my being very amiable and pleasant. I later learned that between 20-30 percent of sober people like me will give clues and even more than the minimum necessary clues due to nervousness, weakness, lack of coordination or other unknown reasons. In one campus research study up to 1/3 of sober college students 'failed' a standard field test.

In my case I was denied a blood test after blowing zeros because the officer had worked a double shift and was tired. I did obtain a Urinalysis the next day on my own and 12 days later obtained a Hair Follicle Test (both negative) as it takes up to 12 days for ingested substances to enter the follicle. This test is basically infallible and in my opinion the main reason the malicious prosecutor added a Reckless Driving charge to my case as a hedge despite the officer mentioning 3 times on audio/video that my traffic maneuver was not reckless.

As upset as I was with Seattle Police for doing this to me most of the blame lies with the prosecutor who charged me with DUI despite no prima fascia evidence (AOB, bottles, slurred speech, stumbling, paraphernalia, traffic maneuver, etc) then maliciously added the Reckless charge for a 5 MPH controlled U-turn at 2 PM with no vehicles or people present. This was unconscionable especially given I have no traffic or criminal history and was likely the most cooperative subject they had ever dealt with and had been on a ride-a-long out of the same precinct just 6 months prior with a different officer who had a good head on his shoulders.

I would gladly trade places with any of those 80 percent in Hawaii who were not charged due to lack of evidence. I could sure use that $8000 in legal fees I paid to get these charges dismissed with prejudice. At least the DA did the right thing in Hawaii unlike the Seattle DA who filed the wrongful charges against me and many others from what my lawyer told me. Luckily I was able to afford the WA state equivalent of 'The DUI Guy' lawyer on youtube

In Misdemeanor DUI in Florida, you can't read implied consent for a blood draw unless three conditions exist:

PC for an arrest, Hospitalization and breath is impractical. Pbts are inadmissable and the only instrument that can be used is the Intoxilyzer 8000 which is usually not mobile and only stationary at pokice stations or jail facilities.  If those conditions are met, you can still tell the cop to pound sand.  No State attorney is going to give any officer/trooper/deputy a search warrant for a forced blood draw in misdemeanor dui.

Felony Dui with serious bodily injury or death is a whole other game.  Generally forced blood draws are still governed by Missouri v McNeely case law here.  Forced blood draws are a rare thing and governed very explicitly by case law.

Currently reside in WA. Seattle & Seattle government sucks. WA & Olympia sucks. The suck level of both rises with increasing acuity as time passes. There, I said it.

You go ahead and do you.  

I'll go ahead get the dopers off the road who are hammered on methamphetamine or high level THC vapes before they crash their 5000 pound death machine into reasonable folks and families

Can you show me a non-cop saying ACAB?

I spent 60 years there and am kicking myself for not leaving earlier than I did. What's happened to Western WA (namely 3 counties) is an absolute disgrace. I choose to remember the sheer physical beauty of the region and regularly peruse youtube videos of 60's and 70's Seattle, etc to bring back wonderful memories. The incident that occurred to me was a decisive factor in my leaving the region.

What do you use as objective evidence?

Based on objective evidence or your opinion?