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Originally Posted By CMiller: Sooooo.... A prosecutor is just doing the normal stuff that all prosecutors do and any normal prosecutor would do in this situation? That's the big scandal here? WTF does any of that have to do with the question of whether he did what they say he did? Y'all are just desperately digging for any hint of a conspiracy so you can talk about that instead of the actual facts of the case. View Quote Attached File |
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Originally Posted By 9D1Alpha: As noted several years ago, Bill Barr was the bondo application for the covering up of a rusted, corroded and politically weaponized DOJ apparatus. His appointment of John Durham, an investigative stall tactic to create another open investigation and block the release of information averse to the interests of the DOJ, was the spray paint application. View Quote Body shop metaphors, me like. |
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Originally Posted By JIMBEAM: So to recap, Democratic administrations are comfortable with lying to FISA courts to spy on opponents, using foreign intelligence to avoid US legal requirements, leaking info to media to later quote as a source, and using White House council to coordinate state and local prosecutions supported by DOJ personnel and funds? And they aren’t concerned enough to hide their activities? View Quote Attached File |
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Good explanation here.
Mar-A-Lago Documents Judge Aileen Cannon Opens UNREDACTED Jack Smith Clownshow! |
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View Quote Unsure at this point whether that’s just a plant to try to get people riled up for a ban hammer or they’re so invested in the outcome that they’ll resort to true mental gymnastics to defend the process. Either way they’re a gray bar for me. |
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Originally Posted By DonS: It seemed to me Barr and Durham were trying to protect the "integrity" of DOJ and FBI, although they were not on board with what FBI and DOJ had done. View Quote No, they were protecting the institutions themselves from accountability for the abuses of power. If they were serious about protecting the integrity the people who repeatedly lied to courts and in the investigations afterwards would have been prosecuted. When you say the number 2 guy in the FBI "lacked candor" and literally lied to the FBI, a crime they go all in to prosecute others for but excuse him for, it's patently absurd to see that as anything other than a coverup. |
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Piles of real evidence:
It's not the crime, it's the cover-up. Biden BUSTED Orchestrating Trump Charges in UNREDACTED Court Records |
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Originally Posted By Low_Country: The heart of the issue isn't about classified material. It is that Trump kept stuff that wasn't his to keep, classified or not. And when he was asked to give it back, he didn't. And then when subpoenaed, he lied, hid, and otherwise blocked the government's attempts to take their property back. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By GutWrench: I guess it depends on your point of view. I don't think this is going to lead anywhere if the judge hasn't dismissed the case. How can they prosecute this if the evidence of the crime is redacted. It's a shit show. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By Low_Country: He literally has his own social media company. I mean, say what you want about Jack Smith, the raid on Mar A Lago, and the indictment. But the notion that this was the 4D chess plan all along to get documents out in public is pretty silly. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By sixnine: Not according to the redacted documents already posted. Read them. View Quote Why would he do that. He’s right you know. Trump is guilty. You realize that right. He’s guilty because he’s Trump. You know he’s guilty. Why should I care about the how or why of the process as long as they declare his guilt. It just matters that he’s guilty. There’s no way I could be wrong here. I’ll promise to continue to campaign for his guilt in face of any evidence to the contrary. I’ll place my full trust in anyone who shares my goal regardless of their past actions. It’s only that guilty verdict that matters. After all, everything is justified in the world of orange man bad. We have to save our democracy after all. /s |
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Originally Posted By Low_Country: Hey man, M4-AK decided this was BREAKING! All I see is people getting upset over a thread title, which really amounts to nothing more than the executive branch View Quote |
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Originally Posted By sixnine: Documents posted on in the internet have the same value as verified evidence in a trial? View Quote The point is that believing this is an intentional 4D chess move by Trump to get documents out in the open which he had been sitting on for four years is pretty silly. |
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Originally Posted By CMiller: Sooooo.... A prosecutor is just doing the normal stuff that all prosecutors do and any normal prosecutor would do in this situation? That's the big scandal here? WTF does any of that have to do with the question of whether he did what they say he did? Y'all are just desperately digging for any hint of a conspiracy so you can talk about that instead of the actual facts of the case. View Quote |
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I hope word (and understanding) of this gets out into the public consciousness and really takes hold.
It's openly corrupt/political hatchet-jobs like this that could turn the tide and make it impossible for the pinko SOB's to cheat enough to steal it again. I guarantee blacks, especially, will be outraged and will empathize and identify with Trump like never before. I look at today's revelations as the best news imaginable. |
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Originally Posted By Low_Country: The point is that believing this is an intentional 4D chess move by Trump to get documents out in the open which he had been sitting on for four years is pretty silly. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By sixnine: I don't give a shit what anybody believes, especially you. Maybe it's just pure dumb luck that once again those scumbags fucked themselves over trying to get Trump. He just somehow bumbles right through their schemes and emerges unscathed each time. Get real. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By sixnine: Originally Posted By Low_Country: The point is that believing this is an intentional 4D chess move by Trump to get documents out in the open which he had been sitting on for four years is pretty silly. But, he's Trump. He's orange. He used to tweet mean things. He made a bunch of money. Fucked a bunch of women. He uses a golden toilet. He was President. It's unfair. He has to be a criminal. I just know it. |
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Originally Posted By Smokey0844: Unsure at this point whether that’s just a plant to try to get people riled up for a ban hammer or they’re so invested in the outcome that they’ll resort to true mental gymnastics to defend the process. Either way they’re a gray bar for me. View Quote I think it’s a bot |
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Originally Posted By Low_Country: The point is that believing this is an intentional 4D chess move by Trump to get documents out in the open which he had been sitting on for four years is pretty silly. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Low_Country: Originally Posted By sixnine: Documents posted on in the internet have the same value as verified evidence in a trial? The point is that believing this is an intentional 4D chess move by Trump to get documents out in the open which he had been sitting on for four years is pretty silly. Probably not through any planning or forethought the former president is demonstrating the “banality of evil” that the current government bureaucratic class represents. It was so normalized and they were so comfortable with doing things that our system of government was designed to prevent from happening that they wrote it all down. They were probably counting on friendly judge that did not keep with the institutional norms and that would allow them to keep it all hidden. |
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Originally Posted By sixnine: I don't give a shit what anybody believes, especially you. Maybe it's just pure dumb luck that once again those scumbags fucked themselves over trying to get Trump. He just somehow bumbles right through their schemes and emerges unscathed each time. Get real. View Quote Attached File |
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Originally Posted By R0N: Probably not through any planning or forethought the former president is demonstrating the “banality of evil” that the current government bureaucratic class represents. It was so normalized and they were so comfortable with doing things that our system of government was designed to prevent from happening that they wrote it all down. They were probably counting on friendly judge that did not keep with the institutional norms and that would allow them to keep it all hidden. View Quote That second sentence nails where my opinion falls perfectly. |
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Originally Posted By Low_Country: The point is that believing this is an intentional 4D chess move by Trump to get documents out in the open which he had been sitting on for four years is pretty silly. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Low_Country: Originally Posted By sixnine: Documents posted on in the internet have the same value as verified evidence in a trial? The point is that believing this is an intentional 4D chess move by Trump to get documents out in the open which he had been sitting on for four years is pretty silly. That's not the point. The point is the Jack Smith's Indictment in the documents case is all false and your precious piles of evidence is gone once the redactions were removed by Judge Canon. Here's a fun fact: In a DOE memo, redacted by Jack Smith's team, confirmed that The President maintained his Q Clearance for holding documents under their purview. Take the loss, go sit in the corner and STFU. |
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I am not that bright but I live in a world of idiots.
I have given up on the serenity prayer. Now I pray for strength to kill enough of these people that they'll leave our children alone. |
Originally Posted By Smokey0844: Unsure at this point whether that’s just a plant to try to get people riled up for a ban hammer or they’re so invested in the outcome that they’ll resort to true mental gymnastics to defend the process. Either way they’re a gray bar for me. View Quote Obtuse , understands what he wants to quite well though . |
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Originally Posted By Former11BRAVO: I hope word (and understanding) of this gets out into the public consciousness and really takes hold. It's openly corrupt/political hatchet-jobs like this that could turn the tide and make it impossible for the pinko SOB's to cheat enough to steal it again. I guarantee blacks, especially, will be outraged and will empathize and identify with Trump like never before. I look at today's revelations as the best news imaginable. View Quote It would be ironic if Trump got 87% of the black vote and it over came their cheating..poetic justice for the fucking they have been giving America.... |
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Originally Posted By sixnine: They must honestly picture Trump as Frank Drebin or Mr Bean stumbling around stupidly while the bad guys try to get them but are accidentally foiled each time. View Quote I have to laugh each time one of them says Trump is stupid. I’d hate to question their years of experience, but sometimes experience doesn’t qualify you to judge others. |
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Originally Posted By TheOtherDave: “We will return to our weekly coverage of President Trump Declassifying documents right after this scheduled technical interruption.” View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By TheOtherDave: Originally Posted By GutWrench: That’s what I said all along. Trump could have had “declassified Wednesday’s” while he was president. He could have declassified stuff and read it live on the web or on TV. If I was him. I would have ordered Bill Bar and Christopher Wray read it out loud sitting on a stool under a spot light. “We will return to our weekly coverage of President Trump Declassifying documents right after this scheduled technical interruption.” It would have been a blast. It would have been just like what you guys are pretending this case is. It would have been real MAGA. It would have changed the world. But no. Some of you guys want us all to believe he planned this whole thing out like he was a mastermind by holding declassified documents in his bathroom for a couple years. What if they would have “taken the bait” he would have just hung them on the wall if his golf club bar. That’s just silly. It’s more of that “trust the plan” stuff. “Trump gonna save the world” |
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Originally Posted By GutWrench: It would have been a blast. It would have been just like what you guys are pretending this case is. It would have been real MAGA. It would have changed the world. But no. Some of you guys want us all to believe he planned this whole thing out like he was a mastermind by holding declassified documents in his bathroom for a couple years. What if they would have “taken the bait” he would have just hung them on the wall if his golf club bar. That’s just silly. It’s more of that “trust the plan” stuff. “Trump gonna save the world” View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By GutWrench: Originally Posted By TheOtherDave: Originally Posted By GutWrench: That’s what I said all along. Trump could have had “declassified Wednesday’s” while he was president. He could have declassified stuff and read it live on the web or on TV. If I was him. I would have ordered Bill Bar and Christopher Wray read it out loud sitting on a stool under a spot light. “We will return to our weekly coverage of President Trump Declassifying documents right after this scheduled technical interruption.” It would have been a blast. It would have been just like what you guys are pretending this case is. It would have been real MAGA. It would have changed the world. But no. Some of you guys want us all to believe he planned this whole thing out like he was a mastermind by holding declassified documents in his bathroom for a couple years. What if they would have “taken the bait” he would have just hung them on the wall if his golf club bar. That’s just silly. It’s more of that “trust the plan” stuff. “Trump gonna save the world” You know who is absolutely incapable of saving the world? This openly corrupt government. |
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China delenda est
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I love how all the "principled_conservatives" forget that Trump's nickname in the 80's/90's was Teflon Don.
yeah, he may be a loud mouthed asshole but he is a fucking expert at stepping right up to the line and leaning way over it, so his enemies can shoot themselves in the dick trying to "get him" for it. |
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Originally Posted By sixnine: Do you know what discovery is? Do you understand they have a duty to turn over all evidence that may be exculpatory? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By sixnine: Originally Posted By CMiller: Sooooo.... A prosecutor is just doing the normal stuff that all prosecutors do and any normal prosecutor would do in this situation? That's the big scandal here? WTF does any of that have to do with the question of whether he did what they say he did? Y'all are just desperately digging for any hint of a conspiracy so you can talk about that instead of the actual facts of the case. Go read the charges, then come back and we'll talk about whether any of this is relevant. |
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Originally Posted By LordsOfDiscipline: That's not the point. The point is the Jack Smith's Indictment in the documents case is all false and your precious piles of evidence is gone once the redactions were removed by Judge Canon. Here's a fun fact: In a DOE memo, redacted by Jack Smith's team, confirmed that The President maintained his Q Clearance for holding documents under their purview. Take the loss, go sit in the corner and STFU. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By LordsOfDiscipline: Originally Posted By Low_Country: Originally Posted By sixnine: Documents posted on in the internet have the same value as verified evidence in a trial? The point is that believing this is an intentional 4D chess move by Trump to get documents out in the open which he had been sitting on for four years is pretty silly. That's not the point. The point is the Jack Smith's Indictment in the documents case is all false and your precious piles of evidence is gone once the redactions were removed by Judge Canon. Here's a fun fact: In a DOE memo, redacted by Jack Smith's team, confirmed that The President maintained his Q Clearance for holding documents under their purview. Take the loss, go sit in the corner and STFU. Here's a question for you--what process did Trump go through to secure his Q clearance? |
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Originally Posted By MacManus: I love how all the "principled_conservatives" forget that Trump's nickname in the 80's/90's was Teflon Don. yeah, he may be a loud mouthed asshole but he is a fucking expert at stepping right up to the line and leaning way over it, so his enemies can shoot themselves in the dick trying to "get him" for it. View Quote Teflon Don is a reference to John Gotti. |
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Originally Posted By CMiller: Here's a question for you--what process did Trump go through to secure his Q clearance? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By CMiller: Originally Posted By LordsOfDiscipline: Originally Posted By Low_Country: Originally Posted By sixnine: Documents posted on in the internet have the same value as verified evidence in a trial? The point is that believing this is an intentional 4D chess move by Trump to get documents out in the open which he had been sitting on for four years is pretty silly. That's not the point. The point is the Jack Smith's Indictment in the documents case is all false and your precious piles of evidence is gone once the redactions were removed by Judge Canon. Here's a fun fact: In a DOE memo, redacted by Jack Smith's team, confirmed that The President maintained his Q Clearance for holding documents under their purview. Take the loss, go sit in the corner and STFU. Here's a question for you--what process did Trump go through to secure his Q clearance? Attached File |
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Originally Posted By Crash_Test_Dhimmi: Completely unrelated View Quote Flynn's brother is still in, I think he is a 4 star. He is also my late stepdads 2nd cousin or something. I remember 15 years ago I was going to meet them when I was in the navy but I had something come up. They were colonels or brigadier generals or something at the time. |
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Originally Posted By R0N: Constitutional powers vested in the office, POTUS is the OCA for all material and classification authority stem from his office. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By R0N: Originally Posted By CMiller: Here's a question for you--what process did Trump go through to secure his Q clearance? Constitutional powers vested in the office, POTUS is the OCA for all material and classification authority stem from his office. Okay, so we agree that any security clearance is derived from his position as president. Now why would that (automatically) follow him out of the office? If the only process he went through to gain his clearance was getting elected president, then he would lose it once he is no longer president, correct? |
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Originally Posted By CMiller: Okay, so we agree that any security clearance is derived from his position as president. Now why would that (automatically) follow him out of the office? If the only process he went through to gain his clearance was getting elected president, then he would lose it once he is no longer president, correct? View Quote I see the commies are in a panic. They should be. |
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Originally Posted By CMiller: Okay, so we agree that any security clearance is derived from his position as president. Now why would that (automatically) follow him out of the office? If the only process he went through to gain his clearance was getting elected president, then he would lose it once he is no longer president, correct? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By CMiller: Originally Posted By R0N: Originally Posted By CMiller: Here's a question for you--what process did Trump go through to secure his Q clearance? Constitutional powers vested in the office, POTUS is the OCA for all material and classification authority stem from his office. Okay, so we agree that any security clearance is derived from his position as president. Now why would that (automatically) follow him out of the office? If the only process he went through to gain his clearance was getting elected president, then he would lose it once he is no longer president, correct? He still has intimate knowledge of privileged information and national security secrets. That doesn't get flushed from your head when you leave the job. I don't know if SOP is to retain a clearance or not, but it should be. |
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Originally Posted By LordsOfDiscipline: That's not the point. The point is the Jack Smith's Indictment in the documents case is all false and your precious piles of evidence is gone once the redactions were removed by Judge Canon. Here's a fun fact: In a DOE memo, redacted by Jack Smith's team, confirmed that The President maintained his Q Clearance for holding documents under their purview. Take the loss, go sit in the corner and STFU. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By midmo: He still has intimate knowledge of privileged information and national security secrets. That doesn't get flushed from your head when you leave the job. I don't know if SOP is to retain a clearance or not, but it should be. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By midmo: Originally Posted By CMiller: Originally Posted By R0N: Originally Posted By CMiller: Here's a question for you--what process did Trump go through to secure his Q clearance? Constitutional powers vested in the office, POTUS is the OCA for all material and classification authority stem from his office. Okay, so we agree that any security clearance is derived from his position as president. Now why would that (automatically) follow him out of the office? If the only process he went through to gain his clearance was getting elected president, then he would lose it once he is no longer president, correct? He still has intimate knowledge of privileged information and national security secrets. That doesn't get flushed from your head when you leave the job. I don't know if SOP is to retain a clearance or not, but it should be. I'm no expert but my understanding is any access to classified information is at the discretion of the current President, and Biden made it clear immediately after he entered the office that he considered Trump a security risk and would not be giving him access to anything classified. I don't think it's considered a blanket security clearance like with any government employee. |
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You know if you guys just stopped responding to CMiller he would probably just go away at least until he recycles himself into some new account. It’s not worth the effort and it’s not going to result in anything but wasted time.
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