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Posted: 4/27/2024 9:38:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brasscrossedrifles: I do too. I'm actually a pretty positive guy all things considered. I only come in threads like this to gangster party hotline post at boomers, because its kinda funny. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brasscrossedrifles: Originally Posted By iwouldntknow: I literally just chose to. I had hard work from a young age (farm kid) but many people had gloomy attitudes about the way the world was headed (think GD in real life). I found out that you could choose what to think so I started choosing to think the way I wanted to think. I'm no billionaire like the rest of GD, but I'm definitely doing ok. It is a fascinating subject, one that I've spent too much study on. I do too. I'm actually a pretty positive guy all things considered. I only come in threads like this to gangster party hotline post at boomers, because its kinda funny. I don’t believe you. You do sound more intelligent and thoughtful, than your initial trolling comment indicated, and you Do make some good points. However, you’re waaaay more demoralized than you realize. Focusing and dwelling on negativity, doesn’t hurt the boomers. Their cake is already baked, for better or for worse. It only hurts You and the younger generations. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 9:38:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JLPettimoreIII:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IJCFc_qkHwgonna play this whilst watching president AOC sieze the b**mas' houses and 401ks to redistribute amongst the poors, the border jumpers, and/or the poor border jumpers. way she fuckin' goes there, eh bois? @eagarminuteman Scooter army rolling down Main Street is gonna be funny to watch on the news. Also gonna be great when they get stopped by the stairs up to the capitol building. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 9:40:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By eagarminuteman: Scooter army rolling down Main Street is gonna be funny to watch on the news. Also gonna be great when they get stopped by the stairs up to the capitol building. WHY WOOD MILLENNIALS DO THIS? GODDAMN |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 9:45:40 AM EDT
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Does anyone remember 30 to 40 years ago when we were looking at what our government was doing and
bitching that they were selling our kids and grandkids down the river? I do. Well, that future is now. And our response is "too bad, so sad"? And it's only gotten magnitudes worse, and we look at the uncontrolled bureaucracies and spending today and say, "they're selling out our kids and grandkids", just like last time. The generation 30 - 40 years from right now are royally fucked. And the only people to blame are We The People. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 9:49:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BillofRights: I don’t believe you. You do sound more intelligent and thoughtful, than your initial trolling comment indicated, and you Do make some good points. However, you’re waaaay more demoralized than you realize. Focusing and dwelling on negativity, doesn’t hurt the boomers. Their cake is already baked, for better or for worse. It only hurts You and the younger generations. They wouldn't do any of the condescending bullshit if they were really that secure in significance of their accomplishments. Their cake might already be baked but that doesn't make Falling Down golf course scene energy any less amusing. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 9:56:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KillerDyller: Buying your first house would suck big time ass right now/thread I bought my first house at 26 in 1992 it was 10 years old and I paid 54k for it. Yeah they're more expensive now but you don't start off at the top. Somewhat decent area and a used house that may need a little work. Sold it for double that amount 14 years later in 06. Had enough equity to upgrade. Now I have enough equity to upgrade again. It just takes time to build up. I think a lot of younger people want it "all" right now! Heck I never bought a new truck until I was 24. Then I kept it 10 years. No fancy wheels , not all jacked up, hell it was 2WD . Nowadays they want the biggest baddest , fastest , blinged out ride they can get on credit. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 10:01:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mancat: I bought my house at 28 in 2012 when the real estate market was in the dump. I bought it for half of what the original owner paid to have it built. It's now worth at least twice that (and four times what I paid) and interest rates are a joke now. The average 28 year old today can't even afford a "starter" house. I feel for them. Shit sucks. By average you mean those with no motivation and flip burgers all day and ask if you want the meal or just the sandwich? I know a lot of guys mid 20's in the trades making journeyman wages. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 10:04:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Codyboy: By average you mean those with no motivation and flip burgers all day and ask if you want the meal or just the sandwich? I know a lot of guys mid 20's in the trades making journeyman wages. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Codyboy: Originally Posted By mancat: I bought my house at 28 in 2012 when the real estate market was in the dump. I bought it for half of what the original owner paid to have it built. It's now worth at least twice that (and four times what I paid) and interest rates are a joke now. The average 28 year old today can't even afford a "starter" house. I feel for them. Shit sucks. By average you mean those with no motivation and flip burgers all day and ask if you want the meal or just the sandwich? I know a lot of guys mid 20's in the trades making journeyman wages. McDonald’s pays more than being a new teacher these days. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 10:06:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Codyboy: By average you mean those with no motivation and flip burgers all day and ask if you want the meal or just the sandwich? I know a lot of guys mid 20's in the trades making journeyman wages. In what trade(s)? Where? Be specific. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 10:09:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Codyboy: I bought my first house at 26 in 1992 it was 10 years old and I paid 54k for it. Yeah they're more expensive now but you don't start off at the top. Somewhat decent area and a used house that may need a little work. Sold it for double that amount 14 years later in 06. Had enough equity to upgrade. Now I have enough equity to upgrade again. It just takes time to build up. I think a lot of younger people want it "all" right now! Heck I never bought a new truck until I was 24. Then I kept it 10 years. No fancy wheels , not all jacked up, hell it was 2WD . Nowadays they want the biggest baddest , fastest , blinged out ride they can get on credit. For example, all I truly need is a Ford Maverick, but I'm man enough to admit that I'd feel a little faggy driving around in one, so F-150 it is. It's my own insecurity but I can face it. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 10:10:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Codyboy: I bought my first house at 26 in 1992 it was 10 years old and I paid 54k for it. Yeah they're more expensive now but you don't start off at the top. Somewhat decent area and a used house that may need a little work. Sold it for double that amount 14 years later in 06. Had enough equity to upgrade. Now I have enough equity to upgrade again. It just takes time to build up. I think a lot of younger people want it "all" right now! Heck I never bought a new truck until I was 24. Then I kept it 10 years. No fancy wheels , not all jacked up, hell it was 2WD . Nowadays they want the biggest baddest , fastest , blinged out ride they can get on credit. How much does said 54k house go for now? Cause if it’s like my area, it goes for 300-350k. The mortgage payment alone would increase my housing budget by 100%. My wife and I have made peace with the fact that a home likely isn’t in the cards for at least 10 years unless I get lucky with my career or the housing market dips. Also you say 24 like that’s so old, I’m 24 currently and couldn’t fathom paying 30-40k for a base model new truck. So I drive 14-15 year old Japanese shitboxes. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 10:13:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By exponentialpi: McDonald’s pays more than being a new teacher these days. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By exponentialpi: Originally Posted By Codyboy: Originally Posted By mancat: I bought my house at 28 in 2012 when the real estate market was in the dump. I bought it for half of what the original owner paid to have it built. It's now worth at least twice that (and four times what I paid) and interest rates are a joke now. The average 28 year old today can't even afford a "starter" house. I feel for them. Shit sucks. By average you mean those with no motivation and flip burgers all day and ask if you want the meal or just the sandwich? I know a lot of guys mid 20's in the trades making journeyman wages. McDonald’s pays more than being a new teacher these days. Doubtful. Maybe your area , I have no clue. My daughter put herself through school (we helped some) and is now a kindergarten teacher at a public school in her 4th year making 65k. The next district over which is where she is trying to get is 85k a year. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 10:13:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By eagarminuteman: How much does said 54k house go for now? Cause if it’s like my area, it goes for 300-350k. The mortgage payment alone would increase my housing budget by 100%. My wife and I have made peace with the fact that a home likely isn’t in the cards for at least 10 years unless I get lucky with my career or the housing market dips. Also you say 24 like that’s so old, I’m 24 currently and couldn’t fathom paying 30-40k for a base model new truck. So I drive 14-15 year old Japanese shitboxes. If you can't afford a $350k house on $23/hr, its because you don't work enough overtime and eat too much avocado toast. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 10:14:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Codyboy: By average you mean those with no motivation and flip burgers all day and ask if you want the meal or just the sandwich? I know a lot of guys mid 20's in the trades making journeyman wages. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Codyboy: Originally Posted By mancat: I bought my house at 28 in 2012 when the real estate market was in the dump. I bought it for half of what the original owner paid to have it built. It's now worth at least twice that (and four times what I paid) and interest rates are a joke now. The average 28 year old today can't even afford a "starter" house. I feel for them. Shit sucks. By average you mean those with no motivation and flip burgers all day and ask if you want the meal or just the sandwich? I know a lot of guys mid 20's in the trades making journeyman wages. The problem with making money in the trades is that you have to WORK. You can't wait for some other guy to do your job because it isn't getting done. You can't be on the phone 1/2 the day and expect to move up. Money is in the OT. Time and a half and DT after hours and weekend brings in the coin. What you have to learn though is just how hard to push yourself, push to hard, work to much and to long constantly and you end up screwing your body up, not enough and you'll struggle to get ahead. Find that sweet spot and you'll have a decent life. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 10:15:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brasscrossedrifles: If you can't afford a $350k house on $23/hr, its because you don't work enough overtime and eat too much avocado toast. Avocado toast? Never heard of it. Boomers love to talk about it though. 
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Posted: 4/27/2024 10:19:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brasscrossedrifles: In what trade(s)? Where? Be specific. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brasscrossedrifles: Originally Posted By Codyboy: By average you mean those with no motivation and flip burgers all day and ask if you want the meal or just the sandwich? I know a lot of guys mid 20's in the trades making journeyman wages. In what trade(s)? Where? Be specific. Lineman to be specific. JY wage here is $46.85 Almost 98k a year for base pay. But they don't work for just base pay 40 hours a week. These guys are working at the least 50 hours or more. They are probably around no less than 130k to 140k a year. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 10:19:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Codyboy: Doubtful. Maybe your area , I have no clue. My daughter put herself through school (we helped some) and is now a kindergarten teacher at a public school in her 4th year making 65k. The next district over which is where she is trying to get is 85k a year. Teacher pay varies a lot geographically as well as by public vs. private. I don't know what the numbers look like from 2023 because I haven't looked, but it probably hasn't changed much as far as proportions and variance since the 2000's when I was considering teaching. It's likely there is a significant population of teachers making less than whats on the now hiring sign at my nearest MacDonalds. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 10:22:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Codyboy: Lineman to be specific. JY wage here is $46.85 Almost 98k a year for base pay. But they don't work for just base pay 40 hours a week. These guys are working at the least 50 hours or more. They are probably around no less than 130k to 140k a year. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Codyboy: Originally Posted By brasscrossedrifles: Originally Posted By Codyboy: By average you mean those with no motivation and flip burgers all day and ask if you want the meal or just the sandwich? I know a lot of guys mid 20's in the trades making journeyman wages. In what trade(s)? Where? Be specific. Lineman to be specific. JY wage here is $46.85 Almost 98k a year for base pay. But they don't work for just base pay 40 hours a week. These guys are working at the least 50 hours or more. They are probably around no less than 130k to 140k a year. Specific trades are fantastic. Lineman, Subs, HVAC (owner-operator), industrial electrician, comms, almost forgot automation... Automation guys are doing great right now. I'm guilty of using "trades" as a catch all but anyone with half a brain should know that trying to compete with Mexican roofing crews and framers is a waste of time. If you're too stupid to understand that, you probably shouldn't be in the trades.
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Posted: 4/27/2024 10:25:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Codyboy: Lineman to be specific. JY wage here is $46.85 Almost 98k a year for base pay. But they don't work for just base pay 40 hours a week. These guys are working at the least 50 hours or more. They are probably around no less than 130k to 140k a year. Lineman make good money, but they pay for it in other ways. My dad has been doing it for 20 something years. I can remember all the times he left early from important events because OT was calling. Showed me good work ethic, but he always said go to school so you don’t have to do this shit for a living. Juice ain’t worth the squeeze in my experience. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 10:26:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fxntime: The problem with making money in the trades is that you have to WORK. You can't wait for some other guy to do your job because it isn't getting done. You can't be on the phone 1/2 the day and expect to move up. Money is in the OT. Time and a half and DT after hours and weekend brings in the coin. What you have to learn though is just how hard to push yourself, push to hard, work to much and to long constantly and you end up screwing your body up, not enough and you'll struggle to get ahead. Find that sweet spot and you'll have a decent life. You also have to pick a trade that actually pays good and in which wages track at least evenly with inflation. At some point you simply cannot just keep taking more and more overtime just to make up for inflation. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 10:26:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Codyboy: Doubtful. Maybe your area , I have no clue. My daughter put herself through school (we helped some) and is now a kindergarten teacher at a public school in her 4th year making 65k. The next district over which is where she is trying to get is 85k a year. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Codyboy: Originally Posted By exponentialpi: Originally Posted By Codyboy: Originally Posted By mancat: I bought my house at 28 in 2012 when the real estate market was in the dump. I bought it for half of what the original owner paid to have it built. It's now worth at least twice that (and four times what I paid) and interest rates are a joke now. The average 28 year old today can't even afford a "starter" house. I feel for them. Shit sucks. By average you mean those with no motivation and flip burgers all day and ask if you want the meal or just the sandwich? I know a lot of guys mid 20's in the trades making journeyman wages. McDonald’s pays more than being a new teacher these days. Doubtful. Maybe your area , I have no clue. My daughter put herself through school (we helped some) and is now a kindergarten teacher at a public school in her 4th year making 65k. The next district over which is where she is trying to get is 85k a year. What district in TX is paying 4yr teachers 85K? |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 10:28:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Codyboy: Doubtful. Maybe your area , I have no clue. My daughter put herself through school (we helped some) and is now a kindergarten teacher at a public school in her 4th year making 65k. The next district over which is where she is trying to get is 85k a year. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Codyboy: Originally Posted By exponentialpi: Originally Posted By Codyboy: Originally Posted By mancat: I bought my house at 28 in 2012 when the real estate market was in the dump. I bought it for half of what the original owner paid to have it built. It's now worth at least twice that (and four times what I paid) and interest rates are a joke now. The average 28 year old today can't even afford a "starter" house. I feel for them. Shit sucks. By average you mean those with no motivation and flip burgers all day and ask if you want the meal or just the sandwich? I know a lot of guys mid 20's in the trades making journeyman wages. McDonald’s pays more than being a new teacher these days. Doubtful. Maybe your area , I have no clue. My daughter put herself through school (we helped some) and is now a kindergarten teacher at a public school in her 4th year making 65k. The next district over which is where she is trying to get is 85k a year. So she makes double the minimum required. That isn’t typical…  Attached FileAnd yes, McDonald’s in my area have been paying around $20/hr to start. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 10:28:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lokifox: Specific trades are fantastic. Lineman, Subs, HVAC (owner-operator), industrial electrician, comms, almost forgot automation... Automation guys are doing great right now. I'm guilty of using "trades" as a catch all but anyone with half a brain should know that trying to compete with Mexican roofing crews and framers is a waste of time. If you're too stupid to understand that, you probably shouldn't be in the trades. We already established that industrial electrician doesn't belong on this list. Its not one of the worst, but its not among the best either. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 10:36:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By eagarminuteman: How much does said 54k house go for now? Cause if it’s like my area, it goes for 300-350k. The mortgage payment alone would increase my housing budget by 100%. My wife and I have made peace with the fact that a home likely isn’t in the cards for at least 10 years unless I get lucky with my career or the housing market dips. Also you say 24 like that’s so old, I’m 24 currently and couldn’t fathom paying 30-40k for a base model new truck. So I drive 14-15 year old Japanese shitboxes. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By eagarminuteman: Originally Posted By Codyboy: I bought my first house at 26 in 1992 it was 10 years old and I paid 54k for it. Yeah they're more expensive now but you don't start off at the top. Somewhat decent area and a used house that may need a little work. Sold it for double that amount 14 years later in 06. Had enough equity to upgrade. Now I have enough equity to upgrade again. It just takes time to build up. I think a lot of younger people want it "all" right now! Heck I never bought a new truck until I was 24. Then I kept it 10 years. No fancy wheels , not all jacked up, hell it was 2WD . Nowadays they want the biggest baddest , fastest , blinged out ride they can get on credit. How much does said 54k house go for now? Cause if it’s like my area, it goes for 300-350k. The mortgage payment alone would increase my housing budget by 100%. My wife and I have made peace with the fact that a home likely isn’t in the cards for at least 10 years unless I get lucky with my career or the housing market dips. Also you say 24 like that’s so old, I’m 24 currently and couldn’t fathom paying 30-40k for a base model new truck. So I drive 14-15 year old Japanese shitboxes. 225k is the appraised value right now on a house I paid 54k for. It doubled for me and then doubled again for the new owners. Still affordable with a half decent job. I drove a 1978 chevy truck from high school until I was 24. So yeah it was time. I could barely afford it at the time making 1st year apprentice wages. It was just a plain 2WD 1990 Silverado. Actually strike that. I was 22 and bought a 88 dually. That was dumb. Sold it and then bought the 1990. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 10:36:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Agilt: What district in TX is paying 4yr teachers 85K? I remember when I was in school a lot of teachers had summer gigs (part time) to make some extra coin, did tutoring, etc. but the ones with a working husb/wife just took the time off. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 10:38:46 AM EDT
[Last Edit: BillofRights]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brasscrossedrifles: They wouldn't do any of the condescending bullshit if they were really that secure in significance of their accomplishments. Their cake might already be baked but that doesn't make Falling Down golf course scene energy any less amusing. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brasscrossedrifles: Originally Posted By BillofRights: I don’t believe you. You do sound more intelligent and thoughtful, than your initial trolling comment indicated, and you Do make some good points. However, you’re waaaay more demoralized than you realize. Focusing and dwelling on negativity, doesn’t hurt the boomers. Their cake is already baked, for better or for worse. It only hurts You and the younger generations. They wouldn't do any of the condescending bullshit if they were really that secure in significance of their accomplishments. Their cake might already be baked but that doesn't make Falling Down golf course scene energy any less amusing. Sure. Old people have always been ridiculous and amusing, but in reality, you’re actually closer to them, than you are to the teeny bopper internet personae that you project. I’ve seen this happen to lots of members, and I’m sure you’ve seen it too. You were a young man in 2007, but you aren’t anymore. It’s as if your character got locked in and never grew up. It’s fun to lapse into Peter Pan mode and commiserate with likeminded people, but most of them aren’t playing. They really Are demoralized, downtrodden and nearly suicidal. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 10:40:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fxntime: The problem with making money in the trades is that you have to WORK. You can't wait for some other guy to do your job because it isn't getting done. You can't be on the phone 1/2 the day and expect to move up. Money is in the OT. Time and a half and DT after hours and weekend brings in the coin. What you have to learn though is just how hard to push yourself, push to hard, work to much and to long constantly and you end up screwing your body up, not enough and you'll struggle to get ahead. Find that sweet spot and you'll have a decent life. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fxntime: Originally Posted By Codyboy: Originally Posted By mancat: I bought my house at 28 in 2012 when the real estate market was in the dump. I bought it for half of what the original owner paid to have it built. It's now worth at least twice that (and four times what I paid) and interest rates are a joke now. The average 28 year old today can't even afford a "starter" house. I feel for them. Shit sucks. By average you mean those with no motivation and flip burgers all day and ask if you want the meal or just the sandwich? I know a lot of guys mid 20's in the trades making journeyman wages. The problem with making money in the trades is that you have to WORK. You can't wait for some other guy to do your job because it isn't getting done. You can't be on the phone 1/2 the day and expect to move up. Money is in the OT. Time and a half and DT after hours and weekend brings in the coin. What you have to learn though is just how hard to push yourself, push to hard, work to much and to long constantly and you end up screwing your body up, not enough and you'll struggle to get ahead. Find that sweet spot and you'll have a decent life. I don't see that as a PROBLEM. That's just called work. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 10:42:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By eagarminuteman: Lineman make good money, but they pay for it in other ways. My dad has been doing it for 20 something years. I can remember all the times he left early from important events because OT was calling. Showed me good work ethic, but he always said go to school so you don’t have to do this shit for a living. Juice ain’t worth the squeeze in my experience. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By eagarminuteman: Originally Posted By Codyboy: Lineman to be specific. JY wage here is $46.85 Almost 98k a year for base pay. But they don't work for just base pay 40 hours a week. These guys are working at the least 50 hours or more. They are probably around no less than 130k to 140k a year. Lineman make good money, but they pay for it in other ways. My dad has been doing it for 20 something years. I can remember all the times he left early from important events because OT was calling. Showed me good work ethic, but he always said go to school so you don’t have to do this shit for a living. Juice ain’t worth the squeeze in my experience. I did it for 37 years. Retired at 55. YMMV. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 10:50:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Agilt: What district in TX is paying 4yr teachers 85K? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Agilt: Originally Posted By Codyboy: Originally Posted By exponentialpi: Originally Posted By Codyboy: Originally Posted By mancat: I bought my house at 28 in 2012 when the real estate market was in the dump. I bought it for half of what the original owner paid to have it built. It's now worth at least twice that (and four times what I paid) and interest rates are a joke now. The average 28 year old today can't even afford a "starter" house. I feel for them. Shit sucks. By average you mean those with no motivation and flip burgers all day and ask if you want the meal or just the sandwich? I know a lot of guys mid 20's in the trades making journeyman wages. McDonald’s pays more than being a new teacher these days. Doubtful. Maybe your area , I have no clue. My daughter put herself through school (we helped some) and is now a kindergarten teacher at a public school in her 4th year making 65k. The next district over which is where she is trying to get is 85k a year. What district in TX is paying 4yr teachers 85K? @codyboy What district in TX is paying 85K for standard schedule 4yr teacher? |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 10:52:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BillofRights: Sure. Old people have always been ridiculous and amusing, but in reality, you’re actually closer to them, than you are to the teeny bopper internet personae that you project. I’ve seen this happen to lots of members, and I’m sure you’ve seen it too. You were a young man in 2007, but you aren’t anymore. It’s as if your character got locked in and never grew up. It’s fun to lapse into Peter Pan mode and commiserate with likeminded people, but most of them aren’t playing. They really Are demoralized, downtrodden and nearly suicidal. I'm about the same distance age wise, not much better off than the kids on money. Probably a skill issue. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 10:52:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Codyboy: I did it for 37 years. Retired at 55. YMMV. Props to you. I told myself years ago I wasn’t putting my family through it. The song “Cat’s in the Cradle” is a terrible way to raise kids. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 10:55:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brasscrossedrifles: I'm about the same distance age wise, not much better off than the kids on money. Probably a skill issue. How many career changes? |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 10:55:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Agilt: What district in TX is paying 4yr teachers 85K? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Agilt: Originally Posted By Codyboy: Originally Posted By exponentialpi: Originally Posted By Codyboy: Originally Posted By mancat: I bought my house at 28 in 2012 when the real estate market was in the dump. I bought it for half of what the original owner paid to have it built. It's now worth at least twice that (and four times what I paid) and interest rates are a joke now. The average 28 year old today can't even afford a "starter" house. I feel for them. Shit sucks. By average you mean those with no motivation and flip burgers all day and ask if you want the meal or just the sandwich? I know a lot of guys mid 20's in the trades making journeyman wages. McDonald’s pays more than being a new teacher these days. Doubtful. Maybe your area , I have no clue. My daughter put herself through school (we helped some) and is now a kindergarten teacher at a public school in her 4th year making 65k. The next district over which is where she is trying to get is 85k a year. What district in TX is paying 4yr teachers 85K? I was a little off on the salary. But its way better than flipping burgers. Barbers Hill Salary Structure: (Based on 2023-2024 Compensation Plan) 0 Years = $65,000 15 Years = $80,262 30 Years = $87,222 Add $1,200 for Master's Stipend Add $3,000 for Bilingual Stipend Add $5,000 for National Board Teacher Certification |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 10:57:07 AM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By eagarminuteman: Scooter army rolling down Main Street is gonna be funny to watch on the news. Also gonna be great when they get stopped by the stairs up to the capitol building. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By eagarminuteman: Originally Posted By JLPettimoreIII: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IJCFc_qkHwgonna play this whilst watching president AOC sieze the b**mas' houses and 401ks to redistribute amongst the poors, the border jumpers, and/or the poor border jumpers. way she fuckin' goes there, eh bois? @eagarminuteman Scooter army rolling down Main Street is gonna be funny to watch on the news. Also gonna be great when they get stopped by the stairs up to the capitol building. There is a classic Dr Who scene where Tom Baker mocks the "superior beings" from the top of a flight of stairs 
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Posted: 4/27/2024 10:57:15 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By slow3v: 65k for 10mo of work is pretty sick, thats equiv to 78k. 85 = 102. I remember when I was in school a lot of teachers had summer gigs (part time) to make some extra coin, did tutoring, etc. but the ones with a working husb/wife just took the time off. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By slow3v: Originally Posted By Agilt: What district in TX is paying 4yr teachers 85K? I remember when I was in school a lot of teachers had summer gigs (part time) to make some extra coin, did tutoring, etc. but the ones with a working husb/wife just took the time off. She has her pay structured to pay throughout the year. And she also teaches summer school for that extra coin. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 10:58:42 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Codyboy: I was a little off on the salary. But its way better than flipping burgers. Barbers Hill Salary Structure: (Based on 2023-2024 Compensation Plan) 0 Years = $65,000 15 Years = $80,262 30 Years = $87,222 Add $1,200 for Master's Stipend Add $3,000 for Bilingual Stipend Add $5,000 for National Board Teacher Certification Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Codyboy: Originally Posted By Agilt: Originally Posted By Codyboy: Originally Posted By exponentialpi: Originally Posted By Codyboy: Originally Posted By mancat: I bought my house at 28 in 2012 when the real estate market was in the dump. I bought it for half of what the original owner paid to have it built. It's now worth at least twice that (and four times what I paid) and interest rates are a joke now. The average 28 year old today can't even afford a "starter" house. I feel for them. Shit sucks. By average you mean those with no motivation and flip burgers all day and ask if you want the meal or just the sandwich? I know a lot of guys mid 20's in the trades making journeyman wages. McDonald’s pays more than being a new teacher these days. Doubtful. Maybe your area , I have no clue. My daughter put herself through school (we helped some) and is now a kindergarten teacher at a public school in her 4th year making 65k. The next district over which is where she is trying to get is 85k a year. What district in TX is paying 4yr teachers 85K? I was a little off on the salary. But its way better than flipping burgers. Barbers Hill Salary Structure: (Based on 2023-2024 Compensation Plan) 0 Years = $65,000 15 Years = $80,262 30 Years = $87,222 Add $1,200 for Master's Stipend Add $3,000 for Bilingual Stipend Add $5,000 for National Board Teacher Certification Thanks, I know of that district and exactly where it is. It is a great one if you can get in. It is likely THE highest compensation in the state. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 11:03:25 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Agilt: Thanks, I know of that district and exactly where it is. It is a great one if you can get in. It is likely THE highest compensation in the state. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Agilt: Originally Posted By Codyboy: Originally Posted By Agilt: Originally Posted By Codyboy: Originally Posted By exponentialpi: Originally Posted By Codyboy: Originally Posted By mancat: I bought my house at 28 in 2012 when the real estate market was in the dump. I bought it for half of what the original owner paid to have it built. It's now worth at least twice that (and four times what I paid) and interest rates are a joke now. The average 28 year old today can't even afford a "starter" house. I feel for them. Shit sucks. By average you mean those with no motivation and flip burgers all day and ask if you want the meal or just the sandwich? I know a lot of guys mid 20's in the trades making journeyman wages. McDonald’s pays more than being a new teacher these days. Doubtful. Maybe your area , I have no clue. My daughter put herself through school (we helped some) and is now a kindergarten teacher at a public school in her 4th year making 65k. The next district over which is where she is trying to get is 85k a year. What district in TX is paying 4yr teachers 85K? I was a little off on the salary. But its way better than flipping burgers. Barbers Hill Salary Structure: (Based on 2023-2024 Compensation Plan) 0 Years = $65,000 15 Years = $80,262 30 Years = $87,222 Add $1,200 for Master's Stipend Add $3,000 for Bilingual Stipend Add $5,000 for National Board Teacher Certification Thanks, I know of that district and exactly where it is. It is a great one if you can get in. It is likely THE highest compensation in the state. But every teacher is the state can do the same. Right. Just pull those bootstraps up and have a good firm handshake. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 11:03:33 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Agilt: Thanks, I know of that district and exactly where it is. It is a great one if you can get in. It is likely THE highest compensation in the state. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Agilt: Originally Posted By Codyboy: Originally Posted By Agilt: Originally Posted By Codyboy: Originally Posted By exponentialpi: Originally Posted By Codyboy: Originally Posted By mancat: I bought my house at 28 in 2012 when the real estate market was in the dump. I bought it for half of what the original owner paid to have it built. It's now worth at least twice that (and four times what I paid) and interest rates are a joke now. The average 28 year old today can't even afford a "starter" house. I feel for them. Shit sucks. By average you mean those with no motivation and flip burgers all day and ask if you want the meal or just the sandwich? I know a lot of guys mid 20's in the trades making journeyman wages. McDonald’s pays more than being a new teacher these days. Doubtful. Maybe your area , I have no clue. My daughter put herself through school (we helped some) and is now a kindergarten teacher at a public school in her 4th year making 65k. The next district over which is where she is trying to get is 85k a year. What district in TX is paying 4yr teachers 85K? I was a little off on the salary. But its way better than flipping burgers. Barbers Hill Salary Structure: (Based on 2023-2024 Compensation Plan) 0 Years = $65,000 15 Years = $80,262 30 Years = $87,222 Add $1,200 for Master's Stipend Add $3,000 for Bilingual Stipend Add $5,000 for National Board Teacher Certification Thanks, I know of that district and exactly where it is. It is a great one if you can get in. It is likely THE highest compensation in the state. She has applied but no guarantees she will get in. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 11:05:51 AM EDT
[#39]
The only way liberalism is successful is for you to blame someone other than yourself for your actions or inactions.
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Posted: 4/27/2024 11:08:37 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brasscrossedrifles: I'm about the same distance age wise, not much better off than the kids on money. Probably a skill issue. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brasscrossedrifles: Originally Posted By BillofRights: Sure. Old people have always been ridiculous and amusing, but in reality, you’re actually closer to them, than you are to the teeny bopper internet personae that you project. I’ve seen this happen to lots of members, and I’m sure you’ve seen it too. You were a young man in 2007, but you aren’t anymore. It’s as if your character got locked in and never grew up. It’s fun to lapse into Peter Pan mode and commiserate with likeminded people, but most of them aren’t playing. They really Are demoralized, downtrodden and nearly suicidal. I'm about the same distance age wise, not much better off than the kids on money. Probably a skill issue. I’m lucky that I got my career started before the Internet became the all encompassing time waster that it is today. It’s easy to say “quit wasting time / time is your most valuable commodity / put each minute to good use” But I’m not sure it’s even possible. I don’t think I could quit cold turkey. There really are two classes of people on Arf. The poorer class thinks the richer class brags too much (and yeah, the Porsche and Rolex threads are obnoxious). But the main inequality that we have, is in Time. A lot of the regulars, have good paying jobs where they just sit around on call, or monitoring networks, etc. Essentially, we are paid to shitpost. And then you have the Government agents and Retired workers who Literally get paid to while away the time. This place is a deadly Trap for those still trying to build a future. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 11:11:36 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dmnoid77: How many career changes? Depending on what counts as a "career change", 3-7. Deciding to bail and try something else wasn't a bad decision for any of them. Flip side is all of the new selections were bad decisions, except the most recent one. The most recent one was simply getting back into what I had gone to school for before the previous 2 changes. So far at my first real job in the field I went to school for, its going relatively well. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 11:14:00 AM EDT
[#42]
Originally Posted By exponentialpi: But every teacher is the state can do the same. Right. Just pull those bootstraps up and have a good firm handshake. BOOTSTRAPS! Indeed, it is totally reasonable for someone living outside of Dumas, TX to commute to Mont Belvieu just down the road a piece for some more money. Originally Posted By Codyboy: She has applied but no guarantees she will get in. Due to the location, compensation, and makeup, it's a pretty competitive district to get into; hopefully she does. If we lived on that side of town I know my wife would be trying to get in there as well. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 11:23:13 AM EDT
[#43]
Young people have concerns about their future.
One side pretends to listen and gives them all kinds of "help" which really doesn't improve their situation at all based on their lunatic ideology The other side tells them that they're lazy worthless pieces of shit and that their worries are irrelevant based on their experiences decades ago in a very different America Guess which side is going to get their votes and loyalty? |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 11:25:30 AM EDT
[#44]
Many have been sold a certain level of comfort, luxury and status is owed by their very existence.
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Posted: 4/27/2024 11:27:09 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BillofRights: I’m lucky that I got my career started before the Internet became the all encompassing time waster that it is today. It’s easy to say “quit wasting time / time is your most valuable commodity / put each minute to good use” But I’m not sure it’s even possible. I don’t think I could quit cold turkey. There really are two classes of people on Arf. The poorer class thinks the richer class brags too much (and yeah, the Porsche and Rolex threads are obnoxious). But the main inequality that we have, is in Time. A lot of the regulars, have good paying jobs where they just sit around on call, or monitoring networks, etc. Essentially, we are paid to shitpost. And then you have the Government agents and Retired workers who Literally get paid to while away the time. This place is a deadly Trap for those still trying to build a future. Some days I'm very, very busy. Wont post on arf. no reading, no streaming anime, barely have time to microwave a meal. When 12 hours is over I take a shower and go straight to sleep. I've had rig hands tell me I'm an idiot for agreeing to work like that for what we get paid per hour. Today...I'm looking out my lab window at a rig that is not going to do anything that requires new action from me for at least another 12 hours. I have some paperwork to do, but not enough that I can't...take a break here and there.
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Posted: 4/27/2024 11:33:18 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MagnusAugustus: Young people have concerns about their future. One side pretends to listen and gives them all kinds of "help" which really doesn't improve their situation at all based on their lunatic ideology The other side tells them that they're lazy worthless pieces of shit and that their worries are irrelevant based on their experiences decades ago in a very different America Guess which side is going to get their votes and loyalty? But it’s more fun to call them lazy and worthless.  /s |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 11:37:39 AM EDT
[Last Edit: BillofRights]
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MagnusAugustus: Young people have concerns about their future. One side pretends to listen and gives them all kinds of "help" which really doesn't improve their situation at all based on their lunatic ideology The other side tells them that they're lazy worthless pieces of shit and that their worries are irrelevant based on their experiences decades ago in a very different America Guess which side is going to get their votes and loyalty? The side that promises MORE FREE SHIT. We, the People, Love Free Shit. I wish the Republicans would promise Free Abortions, Free Weed, Free Stimmy Checks, Free Porn, Free UBI, Free Immigration, Free Housing Free Education and Free Cars. Take control of every branch, and then simply renege and fire every anti-Constitution bureaucrat in Government service. Investigate the Media and every other anti American institution. Clean house. Beat the Democrats at their own game. They have to do something, because playing by the Queens rules is a losing game. |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 11:47:21 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Codyboy: I don't see that as a PROBLEM. That's just called work. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Codyboy: Originally Posted By fxntime: Originally Posted By Codyboy: Originally Posted By mancat: I bought my house at 28 in 2012 when the real estate market was in the dump. I bought it for half of what the original owner paid to have it built. It's now worth at least twice that (and four times what I paid) and interest rates are a joke now. The average 28 year old today can't even afford a "starter" house. I feel for them. Shit sucks. By average you mean those with no motivation and flip burgers all day and ask if you want the meal or just the sandwich? I know a lot of guys mid 20's in the trades making journeyman wages. The problem with making money in the trades is that you have to WORK. You can't wait for some other guy to do your job because it isn't getting done. You can't be on the phone 1/2 the day and expect to move up. Money is in the OT. Time and a half and DT after hours and weekend brings in the coin. What you have to learn though is just how hard to push yourself, push to hard, work to much and to long constantly and you end up screwing your body up, not enough and you'll struggle to get ahead. Find that sweet spot and you'll have a decent life. I don't see that as a PROBLEM. That's just called work. That dog of yours in your avitar............well, it's almost the spittin image of my old gal.  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/27/2024 12:02:43 PM EDT
[#49]
A people that are happy and content will not overthrow a successful 248 year old method of governing.
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Posted: 4/27/2024 12:08:57 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MagnusAugustus:Guess which side is going to get their votes and loyalty? The one that buys their college debts for me to pay off? |
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