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Posted: 4/29/2024 2:58:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GGF: We're not going to tax or "cut spending" to get outta this. It's concerning to see people post that don't comprehend that. People still think our economy can be fixed by conventional means. I've been saying this for decades. The decision was made decades ago to print and inflate. It was a small club, and we weren't in it. |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 3:07:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Paddler112:FJB He's doing both when he "lets" the Trump tax cuts expire. 112 |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 3:08:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chisum: When are you going to learn what is going on? While you are whining about a drop in a bucket far worse is taking place. This is just one of the scams. Let's not forget the billions passed to build govt. recharging stations across the country 3.5 years ago. To date, not one has been built. You could have built the Wall of China for that. We are being scammed $22+ Billion every year of EVs predicted 10-year lifespan. KEY TAKEAWAYS -A new report has exposed electric vehicles as wasteful money pits. -Most major utilities have already conceded they won’t be able to meet the significant capacity additions needed to support proposed EV mandates. -Subsidies and regulatory credits amount to almost $50,000 per EV over a decade. Amazingly...manufacturers are still losing tens of thousands of dollars per EV. https://www.heritage.org/government-regulation/commentary/taxpayers-are-subsidizing-rich-electric-vehicle-owners-the-tune  Attached FileFind the slice of Ukraine aid.  That 1% is dooming America. |
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MI, USA
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Posted: 4/29/2024 3:13:04 PM EDT
[Last Edit: ArmyInfantryVet]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fadedsun: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/51435/IMG_3596_jpeg-3201327.JPG Find the slice of Ukraine aid. https://i.postimg.cc/1zzSDZqH/IMG-3606.webp That 1% is dooming America. It like going out for a fancy dinner. And becoming a tightwad about putting a quarter in a gumball machine. |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 3:48:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet: It like going out for a fancy dinner. And becoming a tightwad about putting a quarter in a gumball machine. The answer is to cut out the gumball and feel good because it’s been solved  Gd : I’m helping |
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MN, USA
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Posted: 4/29/2024 3:55:59 PM EDT
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Inflation is a tax that everyone pays, those that choose inflation choose socialism.
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Posted: 4/29/2024 3:59:27 PM EDT
[#7]
Fpni. Before I pay more they need to cut the crap out of the government, foreign aid, military, etc.
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MS, USA
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Posted: 4/29/2024 4:01:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lou_Daks: I've been saying this for decades. The decision was made decades ago to print and inflate. It was a small club, and we weren't in it. This. We weren't consulted then, and we won't be consulted now. |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 4:23:30 PM EDT
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If they're the only two options, raise taxes, of course.
Once people realize just how much their "free stuff" actually costs them, maybe they'll make better decisions in the voting booth. Right now the pain of our outrageous fiscal irresponsibility is easy for the .gov to camouflage with propaganda campaigns. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 4/29/2024 4:29:44 PM EDT
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The debt is so large that raising taxes will not make any difference. At this point, they could just stop collecting taxes and keep printing because it will end in the same way, just sooner. If you study the numbers we are well past the point of no return absent some life changing tech being developed in the US that the entire world buys.
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NC, USA
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Posted: 4/29/2024 4:33:39 PM EDT
[#11]
FPNI.
Stop with the false choices. |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 4:37:03 PM EDT
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MS, USA
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Posted: 4/29/2024 4:39:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AZLaw: The debt is so large that raising taxes will not make any difference. At this point, they could just stop collecting taxes and keep printing because it will end in the same way, just sooner. If you study the numbers we are well past the point of no return absent some life changing tech being developed in the US that the entire world buys. It's really kind of amazing how many people still think this has a happy ending. At this point, we are like the people who know they are going into bankruptcy and losing everything, who have decided to run up all their credit cards on the way to bankruptcy court. . |
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USA
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Posted: 4/29/2024 4:40:57 PM EDT
[Last Edit: HourOfAngle]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By -Obsessed-: Cut spending, but I think taxes will need to be raised to get the debt down. More than anything, I don't think we need to raise taxes we just need people to pay them. Nearly half this country has zero tax liability. No more free rides. 25% across the board. Zero exemptions. Zero deductions. Zero credits. It just gets taken out if your check and remitted automatically like sales tax. It would suck but we aren't cutting spending enough to get a surplus. We haven't had a surplus in many decades even before our interest expense jumped. Shouldn't be any witholding. Make taxpayers save the money and pay it off quarterly or all at once like those that are self employed. You withold and people don't see it. Make them get paid for it and then have to fork it over to the US government and we'll see how how long it takes before the citizens uprise and get shit changed when they see it in their hands. I do get a laugh out of the raise rates on the rich. We're at the point now a 100% tax on everyone who actually makes anything is not enough to pull us out. Not to mentioned watch people who can get out of the country in a hurry if that happened which it won't. |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 4:44:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Square66: We are going to get both. Inflation is a hidden tax. If you told me we will have 3% forever, I would take it. |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 4:55:38 PM EDT
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Cut spending
Ukraine is on its own unless they want nukes, then they get nukes No money overseas except for military bases No funding for NATO Any military action starts with nukes. no money to immigrants Immigrants pay the gov $10000 to $100000 for citizenship. international space station becomes a orbital launch platform Abortions are allowed, but it's a 10000 tax for each abortion. Money sent overseas by immigrants is taxed at 40% And employers that hire immigrants get a $1.2 million dollar fine per illegal immigrant. Illegal immigrants are allowed to be shot on site crossing the border. No gov funds for welfare, all welfare funds are financed by states. No SSDI/SDI for anyone under 40. No SSDI/SDI for anxiety or depression. People can opt out of SS. All gov retirement and pay for Congress is cut in half until the current gov deficit is paid. No gov payments for new buildings or projects until deficit is paid. no increases in military spending until the deficit is paid off or we run out of nukes. Price fixing for all gov projects. No member of Congress can buy or sell stock Term limits of eight years for all gov positions for elected officials. |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 4:56:51 PM EDT
[Last Edit: KILLERB6]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By exponentialpi: They paid in so they “earned” it. They will make sure to get theirs. At everyone else’s expense.   Oh wait, that’s different because they t never paid anything in and now want to pay anything back. My bad. |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 4:59:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ambridge77: I'd prefer to cut spending.  FPNI |
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USA
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Posted: 4/29/2024 4:59:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By -Obsessed-: Cut spending, but I think taxes will need to be raised to get the debt down. Simple fact is this nation will never get to a balanced budget, ever. The criminals in DC will continue to put the tax payers of this nation into debt with interest to be paid. The abyss is inevitable. |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 5:10:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KILLERB6: He left out student loan forgiveness. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/18716/EE049E8C-C133-474E-B86D-DC7B0CE362E9-2439167.gif Oh wait, that’s different because they t never paid anything in and now want to pay anything back. My bad. I still have yet to meet someone my age who is against SS but also wants student loan forgiveness. They typically support both cause poor them and poor grandma. |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 6:42:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By eagarminuteman: I still have yet to meet someone my age who is against SS but also wants student loan forgiveness. They typically support both cause poor them and poor grandma. |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 6:50:45 PM EDT
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FPNI
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Posted: 4/29/2024 6:57:29 PM EDT
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MN, USA
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Posted: 4/29/2024 6:59:49 PM EDT
[#24]
Printing more money is always bad...
Raising taxes sucks, but a good accountant and lawyer can save you an assload. Correct answer is have gunnint spend less. |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 7:07:28 PM EDT
[#25]
Really they need a huge shrinkage in spending. Government layoffs and a huge reduction in free stuff for the leeches and everyone's pet projects.
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Posted: 4/29/2024 7:16:50 PM EDT
[#26]
Spend American's money on America not Ukraine or others
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Posted: 4/29/2024 7:45:23 PM EDT
[Last Edit: exponentialpi]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KILLERB6: He left out student loan forgiveness. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/18716/EE049E8C-C133-474E-B86D-DC7B0CE362E9-2439167.gif Oh wait, that’s different because they t never paid anything in and now want to pay anything back. My bad. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KILLERB6: Originally Posted By exponentialpi: They paid in so they “earned” it. They will make sure to get theirs. At everyone else’s expense. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/18716/EE049E8C-C133-474E-B86D-DC7B0CE362E9-2439167.gif Oh wait, that’s different because they t never paid anything in and now want to pay anything back. My bad. It would be different. Student loans would be a one time impact. Medicare would not be as it keeps driving the deficit up each year. I am not for any student loan forgiveness either as I paid my way through college, sacrificing where needed. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 4/29/2024 7:49:59 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By M4-AK: The WH has chosen Print. You do not even notice, except you believe those evil retailers are ripping us off. More Money for Ukraine means more evil Retailers. they're doing both, what crack are you smoking? |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 7:52:07 PM EDT
[#29]
Two bad choices. The appropriate choice is cut spending. If you can, have all free loaders payback Trump bux and Biden bux.
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Posted: 4/29/2024 10:25:33 PM EDT
[#30]
At the level of debt we currently have outstanding, we will have to drastically cut spending, raise taxes, and intentionally devalue our currency simultaneously to have any shot at escaping default
So massive inflation, higher taxes, and fewer govt handouts. Should be a wild ride |
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ID, USA
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Posted: 4/29/2024 10:49:02 PM EDT
[#31]
Cut 90% of foreign aid and eliminate 90% of federal grants and all funding for ivy league universities that's all . Fuera! Fuera !
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VA, USA
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Posted: 4/29/2024 10:53:02 PM EDT
[#32]
FPNI. How about neither and we stop spending money on bullshit while also worrying about our own backyard
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Posted: 4/29/2024 10:58:15 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 9divdoc: Spend American's money on America not Ukraine or others I agree! We need more student loan forgiveness and entitlement spending! We can spend our way out of this! 
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Posted: 4/29/2024 11:03:28 PM EDT
[#34]
Neither.
Cut the bureaucracy by 75%. |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 11:10:04 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ambridge77: I'd prefer to cut spending. The thought has never occurred to them. |
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MI, USA
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Posted: 4/29/2024 11:12:06 PM EDT
[Last Edit: ArmyInfantryVet]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lazyr2u: Cut 90% of foreign aid and eliminate 90% of federal grants and all funding for ivy league universities that's all . Fuera! Fuera ! This gets repeated a lot. As if Foriegn aid is a massive debt item. Uh noooo. Foreign aid is like 1% of the budget. Cutting it is almost the same as doing nothing. |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 11:14:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet: This gets repeated a lot. As if Foriegn aid is a massive debt item. Uh noooo. Foreign aid is like 1% of the budget. Cutting it is almost the sane as doing nothing. Nobody wants to touch the biggest budget items cause they won’t get they think is owed. |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 11:25:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ambridge77: I'd prefer to cut spending. |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 11:27:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ambridge77: I'd prefer to cut spending. First post nails it!!!!! As always. |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 11:38:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By exponentialpi: It would be different. Student loans would be a one time impact. Medicare would not be as it keeps driving the deficit up each year. I am not for any student loan forgiveness either as I paid my way through college, sacrificing where needed. Same. I went to a low cost Christian college and worked my way through. Student loans should be dischargeable in bankruptcy. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/29/2024 11:42:43 PM EDT
[#41]
Most dollars are traded internationally, so printing taxes the world & is politically more palatable than tax increases, of course then you have BRICS as the world doesn't like being used by us, hence WW3.
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WI, USA
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Posted: 4/29/2024 11:44:27 PM EDT
[#42]
I agree with all the smart folks saying "cut spending." Defense & VA spending are obvious places to save big bucks.
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WA, USA
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Posted: 4/29/2024 11:44:35 PM EDT
[Last Edit: piciphant]
[#43]
increased spending opportunities means harder work for everyone, and more of it too.
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Posted: 4/29/2024 11:52:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By eagarminuteman: Nobody wants to touch the biggest budget items cause they won’t get they think is owed. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By eagarminuteman: Originally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet: This gets repeated a lot. As if Foriegn aid is a massive debt item. Uh noooo. Foreign aid is like 1% of the budget. Cutting it is almost the sane as doing nothing. Nobody wants to touch the biggest budget items cause they won’t get they think is owed. Owed plus interest! |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 11:54:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By exponentialpi: Owed plus interest! MUH GOT DAYUM INTEREST |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 11:56:49 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/29/2024 11:59:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ambridge77: I'd prefer to cut spending. |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 12:06:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By exponentialpi: Alright folks, what are we cutting to reduce spending? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/200878/IMG_4179_jpeg-3201730.JPG "Health" aka Medicaid 889 billion "Income Security" aka welfare 774 billion Just getting rid of those two puts us pretty close to being in the black. Since SSI isn't broken out separately, can't tell you. I do know way too many able bodied people with SSI. |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 12:35:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ambridge77: I'd prefer to cut spending. Cut spending. Get rid of income tax, and go back to tariffs as well as a small sales tax. Property taxes should have a freedom day. Buy property; you pay 20 years worth of taxes at the assessed value then it's yours. The amount and length can be negotiated, but at some point it should be YOURS. One never owns land in this country. Think you do? Stop paying taxes and see how long you keep it. |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 1:57:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Blackfriar: Cut spending. Get rid of income tax, and go back to tariffs as well as a small sales tax. Property taxes should have a freedom day. Buy property; you pay 20 years worth of taxes at the assessed value then it's yours. The amount and length can be negotiated, but at some point it should be YOURS. One never owns land in this country. Think you do? Stop paying taxes and see how long you keep it. A national sales tax with the complete elimination of all income taxes would do wonders to spark economic growth. |
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