Biden could put a hit on Trump. And claim he was defending Democracy from a tyrant.

Originally Posted By XxbatraiderxX:

Trump's team is arguing for a presidency that isn't interfered with by political partisan whack job prosecutors and judges.

Have you been paying attention?

I think the founding fathers had the intention of protecting the presidency.

Originally Posted By KaerMorhenResident:
How the Deep State gets their claws into DC is through their campaign donations and how they maintain their grip on our nation is by essentially forcing elected officials to hire their little minions for key positions.

Enter Susie Wiles, who is essentally the de facto Campaign Manager for Trump.  She was a big part of getting DeSantis elected and has helped a few other GOP governors get into office.  She's tied into the machine that is D.C. and has long ties to key donors on Wall Street.  

Nearly every Congressional Rep's Chief of Staff and certainly every White House Chief of Staff aren't so much people their bosses want, but people that the Donors want in those positions.  There is a little funnel that those folks have from going from Chief of Staff to lobbyist firms where they making huge amounts of cash.   For example, nobody sits on any committee in the House or Senate unless they're playing ball by hiring the Staff that the Donor class approve of first.  It's how things stay so consistently uni-party throughout different administrations and congresses.  

Originally Posted By exDefensorMilitas:


This reminds of the time that a Site Staff admitted that he thought 'coonhound' was a racial slur.

Originally Posted By XxbatraiderxX:

Trump's team is arguing for a presidency that isn't interfered with by political partisan whack job prosecutors and judges.

Have you been paying attention?

I think the founding fathers had the intention of protecting the presidency.

Originally Posted By XxbatraiderxX:

They're arguing for presidential protection and constitutional order. Impeachment, conviction then criminal charges.

Presidents have immunity. Total, absolute or qualified, whatever. You can't bring charges without meeting Impeachment and conviction first.

Originally Posted By XxbatraiderxX:

They're arguing for presidential protection and constitutional order. Impeachment, conviction then criminal charges.

Presidents have immunity. Total, absolute or qualified, whatever. You can't bring charges without meeting Impeachment and conviction first.

Originally Posted By THOT_Vaccine:
Real estate, Motels and Casinos The man made his living off Real estate, Motels and Casinos.

There's dim. Then there's believing Trump isn't a globalist dead bulb dim.

Originally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet:

They are arguing for TOTAL immunity. That's as cut and dry as it gets.

Originally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet:

POTUS having carte blanche authority unless Impeached and convicted is a dark path.

And the idea of advocating that we just gotta hope he is a decent man and would never abuse his power. That's nuts

Originally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet:
By the way, under Trump team's legal doctrine. He doesn't even have to kill or arrest his political opponents in Congress to avoid impeachment.....

He could just resign. Murdering or imprisoning Congress isn't his only path.

Originally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet:
By the way, under Trump team's legal doctrine. He doesn't even have to kill or arrest his political opponents in Congress to avoid impeachment.....

He could just resign. Murdering or imprisoning Congress isn't his only path.

Originally Posted By xd341:
It the "dark path" you've lived under your whole life, you just didn't know it.

Originally Posted By Low_Country:


Interesting. Nixon was neither impeached nor convicted.

So then if he was immune from criminal prosecution, why the need for a pardon?

Originally Posted By xd341:
Stated at the time it was to put the matter to rest politically and move the nation forward. There was nothing stopping congress from impeaching Nixon after his resignation. The pardon removed the motivation.

There is nothing stopping congress from impeaching Trump now. My only argument is that impeachment is required prior to prosecution for act committed during the term.

Originally Posted By XxbatraiderxX:

The sitting president, at the time of the alleged crimes, is not the former president.

Originally Posted By Low_Country:


Is Trump the sitting president or a former president.

Not a trick question.

Originally Posted By Low_Country:


Is Trump the sitting president or a former president.

Not a trick question.

Originally Posted By Low_Country:


I think we all agree impeachment is required for a sitting president. But the whole purpose of impeachment is removal from office, and to prevent the person from holding office again.  If the person has already left office, especially after a second presidential term for example, impeachment is pointless. It doesn't make any sense for it to then be a prerequisite to criminal prosecution.

Originally Posted By xd341:
It does because it understood to be a check and balance ensuring the stability of the system.  You can't honestly say prior presidents haven't committed crimes, of course they have.  Yet we've never had subsequent administration's pursue criminal prosecution of a former president without an impeachment conviction. That's how it was meant to be, if we set this precedent every former president will be charged with any number of real or made up crimes in endless political retribution.  Trump is being charged with bullshit crimes in highly partisan venues, he's more able to endure it than any former president in history, his fucked up personality probably feeds on it. But most would be intimidated and cowed by the inevitable prosecution leading to more DC corruption.  It is literally what 3rd world countries do.

This also moves the authority for such a serious decision further from the influence of voters. Where do you or I get to vote for federal prosecutors?  I do get to vote for congress and senate.

Originally Posted By XxbatraiderxX:

Trump is a president. He carries SS protection for life.

Originally Posted By XxbatraiderxX:

Trump is a president. He carries SS protection for life.

Originally Posted By Never_A_Wick:


Told ya.

Originally Posted By Low_Country:


Jesus titty fucking Christ, dude.

Originally Posted By John_Wayne777:
I've said before in plenty of threads that I think that the deep state was heading into a position where it would be forced to make some sort of deal to survive and to keep things from coming completely apart.

The deep state is thoroughly corrupt, but not everyone involved is catastrophically stupid. It only really survives if the man in the street doesn't know it really exists. I have previously postulated that different factions within it have been vying for control with the most nakedly ambitious winning most of the time largely due to the recognition of the problem of a shared enemy. The enemy, of course, being the growing populist sentiment in the country. Growing by the day based on even the most casual observation of circumstances, it's a real threat to the long term interests of the deep state.

The problem for them is that it's not going away. It's only getting bigger, fueled by the obvious nature of deep state actions but mostly by the serial catastrophes brought about by the preferred DS candidates being handed power and then proceeding to be retarded with it.

Corrupt is one thing. Corrupt and stupid is quite another, especially when both are readily apparent and are tangible in the standard of living for the average citizen.

Sooner or later if they are to survive, they have to make a deal.

I think they have picked their moment and made one. Or at least a faction of the deep state has.

Just within the last few weeks there has been a number of things that would seem incredibly puzzling based on past history.

- Trump endorses the Ukraine package as a "loan" that anyone with a double digit IQ knows is not
- Bill Barr comes out of the woodwork to say that he's backing Trump and that the cases against Trump are wrong
- Mitch McConnel endorses Trump and then goes on Face the Nation and says that he's supporting the nominee and that the nominee no longer "whipping" people against the package is a "good sign"
- Trump supporting FBI funding and their new HQ
- This rather absurd article where they give a rhetorical blowjob to a political actor with deep ties to big pharma, big corporate types, and the deep state claiming she is "salvaging" Trump's campaign
- Floating deep state stooges like Tim Scott as VP. (See prior article)
- The apparent peace-making between DeSantis and Trump

These are all discordant with past statements and behaviors. That so many of them are happening at about the same time is, I think, indicative of something important behind the scenes changing.

From the deep state's perspective, a deal with Trump now is vastly preferable to trying to deal with him later. He's significantly weaker now while hoping to win the presidency than he would be having won the presidency over their best efforts to stop him. He's the nominee now, despite their best efforts to derail his return to the Oval. I'm betting that some of the more rational actors in the deep state have recognized that doubling down and hoping that the trend somehow miraculously reverses is foolish and have decided to use the tried and true approach of doing whatever they can to ensure that no matter who wins, they win. At least on some level. They have let the more radical voices among them prevail up until now, but I think now you will start to see that pushed back because their strategies aren't working and are actually making things significantly worse.

If I'm right, what would the deal look like?

Trump gets:

- A grant of immunity from the Supreme Court with a majority that includes Roberts at the very least, but probably Roberts and Barrett. It could be a complete shutdown of all the lawfare cases citing presidential immunity. But I suspect the more likely result is a finding that presidential acts are immune but personal acts aren't, spawning an entirely new set of litigation about what acts end up in which pile that would put any of the cases being resolved well beyond the election, making all of them moot. Think of this as the dividing the baby in half approach and the Supremes are suckers for that shit. So that's what I expect. But the practical effect would be to reset all of those cases to zero while what sort of act each thing would have to be run through appeals.

- The fraud machine isn't supported by the deep state. I'm sure it will be activated because DNC is gonna DNC, but it doesn't have the full scale support that it did in 2020. That in combination with multiple states passing reforms to limit the impact of the fraud machine helps make the impact significantly less.

- The press' (because the mainstream press is just the mouthpiece of factions within the deep state) universal reviling of Trump diminishes. Biden starts to get more critical coverage rather than the tongue bath he's been getting up to now. The reality of the economic numbers (and how they've been "revised" every time for the last few years) starts to become a mainstream narrative.

- The deep state scales back on the wokeness shit.

- Essentially a legit shot at being president and an end to the majority of the lawfare with some victories he can show off.

- Maybe...maybe...some vindication in the judiciary with the more excessive abuses of judicial authority answered for. But I consider this one the longest of long shots. Judges do not like to hold other judges accountable no matter how blatantly corruptly they behave.


The Deep State gets:

- Dictating the VP pick. It ends up being somebody like Tim Scott or DeSantis as an insurance policy. Insurance because Trump can be impeached or outright killed if he gets uppity and their boy gets in. It's not an idle threat, either. Just ask the Kennedys. Or Nixon.

- Minimal to no institutional reform. There will be no swamp draining. At best, some of the more radical actors who have pushed things to the point of absurdity and who will not want to cooperate in a new direction will get offered up as sacrifices. They'll be thoroughly marginalized and ALL the sins of the deep state will be pinned on them to help sell the narrative that it was just a couple of bad apples and everything's better now. I expect that those who don't play ball with the new direction will actually suffer real consequences...or at least a few will as a warning to everybody else to step the fuck in line. But as far as real progress on defanging the "intelligence community" or the FBI? Not going to happen. In fact, once some of the bad actors get publicly hammered expect the whole flag-waving OUR HEROES routine to show up. This will be an improvement, but not a real correction.

- Ukraine funding continues. Forever war is back on the menu, boys. Iraq/Afghanistan for 20 years, Ukraine for the next 20. Buckle up.

- An attempt to rehab the deep state with Trump's most hardcore loyalists. There are a chunk of people voting for Trump who think he's Jesus and will swallow anything he says. So the DS will try to get him to rehab their image with that segment so that a broad and united coalition against them is more difficult to produce in the future. I expect that the price of this will be some scapegoats among the overreaching radicals. They get hammered and probably pretty hard to make sure the message is loud and clear what direction The Firm has decided on and to try and defang attempts to hold institutional actors accountable. Make the institutions choose between their pet radicals and their own existence, and I'm certain which decision they'll make.

- No serious inquiry into the jab. This serves both Trump and the DS' interest because Trump wants to think he deserves credit for solving COVID and the pharma companies most certainly do not want a serious examination of the health impacts of their vaccine, a full accounting of how it came to market, or what safeguards and protocols they overlooked to get a product on the market. This leaves vaccine impacted and those who have been red-pilled on the entire enterprise out in the cold, but with little they can do about it. Look for Trump's administration (if he wins) to actively shut down any attempt at investigation or accountability on that front.

- Trump endorsements of more establishment type candidates for congress, not real reformers. This one there is probably some room for squish on, but I'd expect Trump to come down for Uniparty candidates more often than not.


Now don't get me wrong...I don't want to be right, but that's what I think best explains the disparate things I've been seeing over the last 30 days or so. I'd love to be wrong. But as unpleasant as the conclusion is, it's the only one I see that fits.

If I'm right, my predictions above will manifest here and there.

That's why I'm writing this out in its own thread rather than in another, because I'm looking to set a mark and determine how accurately I'm seeing what's going on. One of the keys to determining whether or not you are getting the right sources of information and whether or not you're correctly analyzing that information is the extent to which you have the ability to accurately predict what's going to happen. This is an exercise in that.

Being right out the rear view is much easier than being right about the road ahead.

Originally Posted By Dagoth-Ur:


@John_Wayne777

OP might be right:(

Originally Posted By Low_Country:


Let's say it is 2026. Trump is back in the WH. Evidence comes out showing Biden's crooked and illegal financial schemes with the Chinese, Ukraine, or whomever. He used the office to personally profit, and compromised national security in the process. But because democrats now control the house and he is out of office anyway, no articles of impeachment are introduced. Just to be clear, you would be against him facing criminal prosecution in that case?