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Posted: 5/6/2024 11:35:46 AM EDT
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A Federal Prosecutor lying? What's next, water is wet ?
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Posted: 5/6/2024 11:36:05 AM EDT
[Last Edit: PeepEater]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gspointer: So, can you imagine if Trump said those weren’t the actual papers he was holding? If he said, under oath, that he was BSing to make his “story” more interesting? An average man might get away with it, but we have 8 years and hundreds of media sources producing thousands of records of Trumps truthfulness. No way would a reasonable person ever believe Trump lied about something. I think Trump's mouth will end up getting him in far more trouble than his actions ever would have. It is possible both for the prosecution to be bullshit and for Trump's own hubris to prevent him from admitting that he made shit up to sound cool. It's also a truth of life that just because you can't find the evidence it doesn't mean it never existed. |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 11:40:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PeepEater: I think Trump's mouth will end up getting him in far more trouble than his actions ever would have. It is possible both for the prosecution to be bullshit and for Trump's own hubris to prevent him from admitting that he made shit up to sound cool. It's also a truth of life that just because you can't find the evidence it doesn't mean it never existed. It should take an exceptionally good case to convict without a body. Do you find that this is an exceptional case with an impeccable prosecution? |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 11:42:09 AM EDT
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So Jack Smith mishandled classified documents? The same thing he is accusing Trump of doing?
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USA
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Posted: 5/6/2024 11:42:16 AM EDT
[Last Edit: PeepEater]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gspointer: It should take an exceptionally good case to convict without a body. Do you find that this is an exceptional case with an impeccable prosecution? It's a trash case that only exists because Biden's White House directed the DOJ to make it exist. That doesn't mean they won't get a conviction anyway due to jury makeup and Trump doing Trump things at the wrong time. |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 11:46:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gspointer: See? It’s perfectly understandable. Even the footnote acknowledges that they were wrong to do what they did. But this case happens so often outside of the public eye that it shouldn’t matter. Heck, it’s such a boring, routine everyday case that Jack has no idea why things were mixed up and says so in his affidavit. I’m really at a loss as to why anyone is paying attention to this case. I can’t imagine how shocked Jack must be! I bet had he suspected that the public may pay attention to it, he would have documented the order the items were located in, as well as the location each box of evidence was in when seized. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gspointer: Originally Posted By CMiller: For anybody interested, here's the original source for the story: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.648653/gov.uscourts.flsd.648653.522.0.pdf https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/585454/1000008270_jpg-3206890.JPG See? It’s perfectly understandable. Even the footnote acknowledges that they were wrong to do what they did. But this case happens so often outside of the public eye that it shouldn’t matter. Heck, it’s such a boring, routine everyday case that Jack has no idea why things were mixed up and says so in his affidavit. I’m really at a loss as to why anyone is paying attention to this case. I can’t imagine how shocked Jack must be! I bet had he suspected that the public may pay attention to it, he would have documented the order the items were located in, as well as the location each box of evidence was in when seized.  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 11:49:50 AM EDT
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If the classified documents hadn't been removed from The White House this wouldn't even be a thing. |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 11:52:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PeepEater: I assume they will ask Trump about it under oath. The tape is out in the wild and featured in the indictment: “These are the papers,” Trump continues, according to the audio file. “This was done by the military and given to me,” Trump continues, before noting that the document remained classified. “See as president I could have declassified it,” Trump says. “Now I can’t, you know, but this is still a secret.” It's in the indictment and even if they can't find the papers I can't imagine they don't ask questions about it or play the tape to the jury. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PeepEater: Originally Posted By AZ_Hi_Desert: That was the Milley plan to attack Iran. Here's the thing...Trump didn't have possession of those documents then or now. They were not found in the documents seized nor were they 'missing' from NARA. It was bullshit thrown out as red meat for the Trump haters by Weissmann and Smith. They made a great stink over the sound of shuffling of papers on the recording. Interviwer/Ghostwriter said Trump never showed him the document. I assume they will ask Trump about it under oath. The tape is out in the wild and featured in the indictment: “These are the papers,” Trump continues, according to the audio file. “This was done by the military and given to me,” Trump continues, before noting that the document remained classified. “See as president I could have declassified it,” Trump says. “Now I can’t, you know, but this is still a secret.” It's in the indictment and even if they can't find the papers I can't imagine they don't ask questions about it or play the tape to the jury. where did the audio come from, is it another AI deep fake? |
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NJ, USA
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Posted: 5/6/2024 11:53:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kraquine: If the classified documents hadn't been removed from The White House this wouldn't even be a thing. lol |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 11:53:53 AM EDT
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*yawn*
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Posted: 5/6/2024 11:54:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pdm: Well……it sounds like an administrative error and once realized they came forward and notified the court. The question is how did and does this error effect the case other than a mistake was made in the listing of documents? Did they hide or in some way change the content of Docs? etc… Sounds like a mistake was made and they notified the court of it. Does that mistake rise to the level of malfeasance? Doesn't sound like it but maybe it is? There's a huge difference between, "Zomg! Trump had classified documents and refused to return them!" and "Biden's GSA had a couple dozen boxes of random crap delivered to Mar a Lago, and Trump's team didn't even know what was in them or why they were sent in the first place." |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 11:56:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By VidaEterna: That would get a case tossed by the old DOJ. I’m surprised they don’t transfer the case to a federal court in Venezuela. The outcome would be the same. FPNI |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 11:57:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pdm: Well it sounds like an administrative error and once realized they came forward and notified the court. The question is how did and does this error effect the case other than a mistake was made in the listing of documents? Did they hide or in some way change the content of Docs? etc Sounds like a mistake was made and they notified the court of it. Does that mistake rise to the level of malfeasance? Doesn't sound like it but maybe it is? |
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USA
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Posted: 5/6/2024 11:58:23 AM EDT
[Last Edit: PeepEater]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Seadra_tha_Guineapig: where did the audio come from, is it another AI deep fake? It's real and in the indictment. First link from google: https://abcnews.go.com/US/audio-recording-trump-heard-discussing-classified-document-held/story?id=100346060 They never did find the alleged document. So either Trump was bullshitting about what he was showing them while waving papers around or the document was just not found. The problem is if they ask him about it under oath he either says that he was bullshitting people to be a big dick player or he was waving around classified documents to be a big dick player or he will plead the fifth. |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 12:04:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PeepEater: It's real and in the indictment. First link from google: https://abcnews.go.com/US/audio-recording-trump-heard-discussing-classified-document-held/story?id=100346060 They never did find the alleged document. So either Trump was bullshitting about what he was showing them while waving papers around or the document was just not found. The problem is if they ask him about it under oath he either says that he was bullshitting people to be a big dick player or he was waving around classified documents to be a big dick player or he will plead the fifth. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PeepEater: Originally Posted By Seadra_tha_Guineapig: where did the audio come from, is it another AI deep fake? It's real and in the indictment. First link from google: https://abcnews.go.com/US/audio-recording-trump-heard-discussing-classified-document-held/story?id=100346060 They never did find the alleged document. So either Trump was bullshitting about what he was showing them while waving papers around or the document was just not found. The problem is if they ask him about it under oath he either says that he was bullshitting people to be a big dick player or he was waving around classified documents to be a big dick player or he will plead the fifth. so, unlike the boxes of documents that they interfered with and scattered all over the floor, there's an impeccable chain of custody for the alleged audio? |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 12:04:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kraquine: If the classified documents hadn't been removed from The White House this wouldn't even be a thing. The ones in Biden's garage didn't end up as "a thing" |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 12:06:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CMiller: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/585454/1000008273_jpg-3206931.JPG |
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USA
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Posted: 5/6/2024 12:06:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Seadra_tha_Guineapig: so, unlike the boxes of documents that they interfered with and scattered all over the floor, there's an impeccable chain of custody for the alleged audio? DOJ already questioned the other people present in the room when the recording was made. It's pretty much a given that it is going to be introduced in court. |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 12:07:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Logcutter: The ones in Biden's garage didn't end up as "a thing" |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 12:08:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By xd341: That's because he's not competent enough to prosecute. no big deal. but fully competent to run for another term....it's fucking clown world on steroids. Frankly it's not the DOJ's problem that the population is dumb enough to elect him. |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 12:09:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PeepEater: Frankly it's not the DOJ's problem that the population is dumb enough to elect him. But holy shit. |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 12:11:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Logcutter: The ones in Biden's garage didn't end up as "a thing" Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Logcutter: Originally Posted By Kraquine: If the classified documents hadn't been removed from The White House this wouldn't even be a thing. The ones in Biden's garage didn't end up as "a thing" That's right ............... cooperation vs obstruction ........... there is a difference. |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 12:12:07 PM EDT
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Selective enforcement of the law is worse than the absence of laws.
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CAN
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Posted: 5/6/2024 12:12:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SoonerBorn: So Jack Smith mishandled classified documents? The same thing he is accusing Trump of doing? IOKIYAD |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 12:15:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PeepEater: So some papers in a box got placed in a different order between the time they were seized and scanned? No! Back your TDS down a bit. The DOJ worked with the archivist to send documents to Maralogo and hide them. Then they got the search warrant to find them. It was a set up. JUST LIKE TRUMP SAID. |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 12:16:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PeepEater: So some papers in a box got placed in a different order between the time they were seized and scanned? At a minimum. Chain of custody broken, no telling WHAT all might have been modified/added/removed. That mess would be a no-questions-asked firing and possible prosecution at my agency. |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 12:17:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By heavymetal762: At a minimum. Chain of custody broken, no telling WHAT all might have been modified/added/removed. That mess would be a no-questions-asked firing and possible prosecution at my agency. You obviously are not as elite as the FBI. |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 12:17:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Blackbeard28: The prosecution lied, they admitted they lied, and yet continue the course. Sure we lied, fuck you, what are you going to do about it. No fear of repercussion. Time for a real purge. |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 12:18:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gotigers: No! Back your TDS down a bit. The DOJ worked with the archivist to send documents to Maralogo and hide them. Then they got the search warrant to find them. It was a set up. JUST LIKE TRUMP SAID. 
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Posted: 5/6/2024 12:20:52 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Prezboi44]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kraquine: That's right ............... cooperation vs obstruction ........... there is a difference. I hope he didn't cooperate. As president, HE had authority OVER classification. You see, all those worthless federal bureaucracies and departments did not exist when the Constitution was written. However, what word can you find in the Constitution? President. You don't cooperate with people that are wrong. |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 12:39:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kraquine: That's right ............... cooperation vs obstruction ........... there is a difference. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kraquine: Originally Posted By Logcutter: Originally Posted By Kraquine: If the classified documents hadn't been removed from The White House this wouldn't even be a thing. The ones in Biden's garage didn't end up as "a thing" That's right ............... cooperation vs obstruction ........... there is a difference. Cooperation doesn’t change the crime. You shouldn’t be able to just Willy Nilly enforce the law when you want. If they both committed the crime they both need to answer. Selective prosecution is bullshit. |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 12:42:19 PM EDT
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As others have said, NOTHING WILL HAPPEN!!
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Posted: 5/6/2024 12:42:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PeepEater: It's real and in the indictment. First link from google: https://abcnews.go.com/US/audio-recording-trump-heard-discussing-classified-document-held/story?id=100346060 They never did find the alleged document. So either Trump was bullshitting about what he was showing them while waving papers around or the document was just not found. The problem is if they ask him about it under oath he either says that he was bullshitting people to be a big dick player or he was waving around classified documents to be a big dick player or he will plead the fifth. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PeepEater: Originally Posted By Seadra_tha_Guineapig: where did the audio come from, is it another AI deep fake? It's real and in the indictment. First link from google: https://abcnews.go.com/US/audio-recording-trump-heard-discussing-classified-document-held/story?id=100346060 They never did find the alleged document. So either Trump was bullshitting about what he was showing them while waving papers around or the document was just not found. The problem is if they ask him about it under oath he either says that he was bullshitting people to be a big dick player or he was waving around classified documents to be a big dick player or he will plead the fifth. So how many present read parts of the document? Oh my, I bet a pic from a good cell phone would have the info on it! I bet Jack has a picture with the classified text in evidence! That will be hard to avoid for Trump! |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 12:44:06 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Morlawn66]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kraquine: Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kraquine: Originally Posted By gotigers: No! Back your TDS down a bit. The DOJ worked with the archivist to send documents to Maralogo and hide them. Then they got the search warrant to find them. It was a set up. JUST LIKE TRUMP SAID. Go ahead and laugh even though there's a good chance that's exactly what happened. |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 12:44:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gspointer: So how many present read parts of the document? Oh my, I bet a pic from a good cell phone would have the info on it! I bet Jack has a picture with the classified text in evidence! That will be hard to avoid for Trump! I just don't know if Trump will laugh at them and say it was all bullshit or say something dumb. Bad cases get convictions all the time. |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 12:48:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prezboi44: I hope he didn't cooperate. As president, HE had authority OVER classification. You see, all those worthless federal bureaucracies and departments did not exist when the Constitution was written. However, what word can you find in the Constitution? President. You don't cooperate with people that are wrong. There weren't airplanes when the Constitution was written either but common sense dictates the FAA create guidlines for their safe handling. Just thinking it's safe to fly doesn't make it so. |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 12:48:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By M-60: False They'll enforce it against you. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By M-60: Originally Posted By maxima2: We have a lawless country. False They'll enforce it against you. I was going to say . We have probably too many laws and no republican is above the democrat law . |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 12:55:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Morlawn66: Go ahead and laugh even though there's a good chance that's exactly what happened. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Morlawn66: Originally Posted By Kraquine: Originally Posted By gotigers: No! Back your TDS down a bit. The DOJ worked with the archivist to send documents to Maralogo and hide them. Then they got the search warrant to find them. It was a set up. JUST LIKE TRUMP SAID. Go ahead and laugh even though there's a good chance that's exactly what happened. LOL, that conflicts with Trump telling Hannity he declassified the documents. Trump declassified documents he didn't know he had. LOL. That's Olympic level mental gymnastics right there. |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 12:56:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kraquine: There weren't airplanes when the Constitution was written either but common sense dictates the FAA create guidlines for their safe handling. Just thinking it's safe to fly doesn't make it so. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kraquine: Originally Posted By Prezboi44: I hope he didn't cooperate. As president, HE had authority OVER classification. You see, all those worthless federal bureaucracies and departments did not exist when the Constitution was written. However, what word can you find in the Constitution? President. You don't cooperate with people that are wrong. There weren't airplanes when the Constitution was written either but common sense dictates the FAA create guidlines for their safe handling. Just thinking it's safe to fly doesn't make it so. Poor analogy and the exact logic gun-grabbers love to use. |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 1:02:12 PM EDT
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At best, this sounds quite sloppy evidence handling. If raiding a former Presidents home is this sloppy, when it's A PRESIDENTS HOME - How much care to evidence handling do the do for people who are not former Presidents?
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Posted: 5/6/2024 1:09:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lazyengineer: At best, this sounds quite sloppy evidence handling. If raiding a former Presidents home is this sloppy, when it's A PRESIDENTS HOME - How much care to evidence handling do the do for people who are not former Presidents? Hmmm, it's starting to sound like the OJ trial. |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 1:10:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ceetee: There's a huge difference between, "Zomg! Trump had classified documents and refused to return them!" and "Biden's GSA had a couple dozen boxes of random crap delivered to Mar a Lago, and Trump's team didn't even know what was in them or why they were sent in the first place." |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 1:10:57 PM EDT
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Seems like I would want to weigh each box to the tenth of a gram and document each document before turning that shit over. I am terrified of ever being investigated by alphabet soup. Even if they don't find anything, all they have to do is "find" ch___ por_n and you are now the biggest POS that ever existed.
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Posted: 5/6/2024 1:13:19 PM EDT
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Unphuckingbelievable!
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Posted: 5/6/2024 1:15:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By xd341: It's probably more that they lied to the court about it. That's a bit of an issue. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By xd341: Originally Posted By PeepEater: So some papers in a box got placed in a different order between the time they were seized and scanned? What reason do we have to think they even put the same documents back in? When you are changing things what else might you change? |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 1:16:36 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Scoobysmak]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kraquine: LOL, that conflicts with Trump telling Hannity he declassified the documents. Trump declassified documents he didn't know he had. LOL. That's Olympic level mental gymnastics right there. Since the documents were mishandled, show us where you KNOW for sure they didn't add the documents they claimed they were looking in that clusterfuck? It has to be 100% solid proof, no questions. Look how many obvious murders and other cases get dismissed for the same thing, buy yet nope those fucks are fucking retards and can't maintain proper custody but going to shoot for the moon anyway. |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 1:16:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PeepEater: This seems like the kind of thing a lab tech could have done while scanning files. Absolutely sloppy when chain of evidence custody is critical to a case but I don't see how you prove intent. Not that intent has to be present for tampered evidence to tank a case. Well, FBI lied to get multiple FISA warrants, I'm just assuming bad intent at this point. |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 1:19:31 PM EDT
[Last Edit: CMiller]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cypher15: So... entrapment.. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cypher15: Originally Posted By ceetee: There's a huge difference between, "Zomg! Trump had classified documents and refused to return them!" and "Biden's GSA had a couple dozen boxes of random crap delivered to Mar a Lago, and Trump's team didn't even know what was in them or why they were sent in the first place." The boxes were packed by Trump's people, who also arranged the transportation. GSA let them use their space for storage and paid for transport. It's unclear if these are the same boxes that had the classified documents. All of this was covered in the media in 2022, they have 100 pages of emails between GSA and Trump's team. @ceetee https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/10/politics/trump-documents-shipping-gsa/index.html https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-10-05/trump-says-feds-packed-top-secret-mar-a-lago-documents-foia-says-they-didn-t https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/04/30/trump-documents-case-rumor-false/ |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 1:19:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LordsOfDiscipline: Jack Smith has a record. Become familiar with it and get back to us. Not being argumentative. Jack Smith was on the ICC. A fake international court. |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 1:21:09 PM EDT
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I am sick and tired of this bullshit from the agenda driven. Why can't everyone be respectable and follow true laws instead of their own?
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