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Posted: 9/10/2015 5:44:26 PM EDT
[Last Edit: EXPY37]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pumbaajk:
My doctor hates me. I make her learn....  Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pumbaajk:
Originally Posted By Sparky:
Originally Posted By cowboy:
Do I remeber one of yall doing HGH in addition to T? If so what brought that about and how's it going? Been reading some interesting articles on Sermorelin Acetate and what all it can do for you. I think a doc would say I'm too young for it at 32. But he said that about my T levels of an 87 year old too. I take growth hormone but it is because of a pituitary issue. I don't have any experience with the peptides though. If you think getting a doc that can handle low T is tough try getting one that can manage growth hormone, thyroid, testosterone, and cortisol.  My doctor hates me. I make her learn.... You're lucky, My family doc just tolerates me, and refuses to learn... |
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Posted: 9/10/2015 8:38:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shane333:
[SNIP] No, haven't tried the insulin pins. So far I've had my best results using a 25G needle. Any more thin and I'd worry about the needle snapping during the injection. They're pretty tough. One night for some dumb reason I decided to put the cap back on one. Not paying attention I caught the needle at an odd angle shoved the needle right through the plastic cap and into my index finger.....about a 1/4" deep. so they're not completely painless 
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Posted: 9/10/2015 9:03:23 PM EDT
[Last Edit: EXPY37]
[#3]
If the needle breaks off [it's not going to, odds are a zillion to one]
Then use small tweezers, thin needle nose pliers, hemostats, whatever, and remove it. Not a big deal... I use 30 ga all the time and many times they bend, due to my distraction when withdrawing HCG. |
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Posted: 9/10/2015 11:05:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By EXPY37:
If the needle breaks off [it's not going to, odds are a zillion to one] Then use small tweezers, thin needle nose pliers, hemostats, whatever, and remove it. Not a big deal... I use 30 ga all the time and many times they bend, due to my distraction when withdrawing HCG. Apparently it wasn't a big deal for Howard Hughes - "X-rays taken during Hughes' autopsy showed dozens of broken off needles in his arms and legs" Source |
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Posted: 9/11/2015 1:35:47 AM EDT
[Last Edit: EXPY37]
[#5]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bowhuntr09:
Apparently it wasn't a big deal for Howard Hughes - "X-rays taken during Hughes' autopsy showed dozens of broken off needles in his arms and legs" Source Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bowhuntr09:
Originally Posted By EXPY37:
If the needle breaks off [it's not going to, odds are a zillion to one] Then use small tweezers, thin needle nose pliers, hemostats, whatever, and remove it. Not a big deal... I use 30 ga all the time and many times they bend, due to my distraction when withdrawing HCG. Apparently it wasn't a big deal for Howard Hughes - "X-rays taken during Hughes' autopsy showed dozens of broken off needles in his arms and legs" Source Needle tech in those days was different... Horrible. You should have seen them in the 1930's. Now they're stainless and glued to the connector. Try bending one a couple times and see if it breaks. |
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Posted: 9/11/2015 8:08:49 PM EDT
[Last Edit: jrzy]
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I have an appointment with Red cross on monday to give blood.
I need to get my pulse down 3 pts Anyone have some thing fool proof to get it down those 3 points? My pulse has always ran between 90 and 103 Doctors have said it's not harmful if I have no side effects from it, cardiologist was not concerned either. OK the red cross cut off on pulse rate is 100 BP is 120/80 so thats OK |
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Posted: 9/11/2015 10:59:14 PM EDT
[Last Edit: EXPY37]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jrzy:
I have an appointment with Red cross on monday to give blood. I need to get my pulse down 3 pts Anyone have some thing fool proof to get it down those 3 points? My pulse has always ran between 90 and 103 Doctors have said it's not harmful if I have no side effects from it, cardiologist was not concerned either. OK the red cross cut off on pulse rate is 100 BP is 120/80 so thats OK Pulse rate varies WILDLY during the day -and night. So does BP. One technique I use to lower BP [and likely PR] during flight physicals is to breath deeply for a couple minutes and during the test. Always get a great reading. I'd suggest getting an O2 pulse oximeter off eBay for abt $20 and use it often to get a good understanding of your PR vitals. W-M has them for abt 1/2 again as much, but instant availability. |
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Posted: 9/12/2015 12:33:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By EXPY37: Pulse rate varies WILDLY during the day -and night. So does BP. One technique I use to lower BP [and likely PR] during flight physicals is to breath deeply for a couple minutes and during the test. Always get a great reading. I'd suggest getting an O2 pulse oximeter off eBay for abt $20 and use it often to get a good understanding of your PR vitals. W-M has them for abt 1/2 again as much, but instant availability. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By EXPY37: Originally Posted By jrzy: I have an appointment with Red cross on monday to give blood. I need to get my pulse down 3 pts Anyone have some thing fool proof to get it down those 3 points? My pulse has always ran between 90 and 103 Doctors have said it's not harmful if I have no side effects from it, cardiologist was not concerned either. OK the red cross cut off on pulse rate is 100 BP is 120/80 so thats OK Pulse rate varies WILDLY during the day -and night. So does BP. One technique I use to lower BP [and likely PR] during flight physicals is to breath deeply for a couple minutes and during the test. Always get a great reading. I'd suggest getting an O2 pulse oximeter off eBay for abt $20 and use it often to get a good understanding of your PR vitals. W-M has them for abt 1/2 again as much, but instant availability. |
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Posted: 9/12/2015 12:35:52 AM EDT
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Any benefit to going off T injections for a couple of weeks ?
My T has been running really high even at 1/2 ml per week Giving my endo system a small break? |
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Posted: 9/12/2015 7:44:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jrzy:
Any benefit to going off T injections for a couple of weeks ? My T has been running really high even at 1/2 ml per week Giving my endo system a small break? Why? Come on dude, you're not that high. If you think you're to high for whatever reason, tapper off the dose. You won't be giving your endocrine system any kind of break, all you'll do is feel like shit for a couple weeks because you missed your shots and it will take your body time to get used to the test again. You over think alot of this. Stick with a plan and keep going. I don't know how you find any kind of baseline for dosages or protocols when you change you shit up so often. |
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Posted: 9/12/2015 11:42:53 AM EDT
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I found an Endo in my area that may do TRT with self injections. Going to call for an appointment Monday. I'm trying to get away from the stupid T Clinic and take things into my own hands.
If this guy doesn't pan out, I guess I'm off to increasemyt.com. I'm not happy about that plan but at least its a step in the right direction. |
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Posted: 9/12/2015 11:52:59 AM EDT
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Cross posted from another thread. I thought I'd add it here in the big T thread.
Saw my family doc today to talk about the T labs. He seemed to be up on most things T related, didn't like my test results, and recommend injections for TRT. He was willing to perscribe out of his office and then re test as we go. But when I mentioned not wanting to lose fertility, he said to fine tune in hCG with T and then an AI to control E2, that he would recommend me to an Endo. So now I'm waiting on the referral appointment... The first doc I was at that ordered the labs said I was in range... at 285. He is my kids family doctor and apparently doesn't do much T related. He is really a great doctor and does great with the kids. He works hard at getting us right in, and he has personally called us to check in on how meds or treatments are working. My wife and I have a severely developmentally delayed autistic boy that we adopted at birth and see his doc quite a bit. He's really good with mentally disabled children. I went to my doctor this time. He is a little younger and is a little more on the edge of new medicine. I grew up around his wife and BIL, and he trusts that I'm not an hypochondriac idiot or a druggie pill popper. Although he will write a script for hydrocodone, cyclosporine, and neoproxen when I tell him to. We spent 35 min talking about my low T symptoms, life, fine wine and cheese, and everything in between. It would have been nice to work directly with him, but I appreciate him trying to get me into the best care. If the Endo he has me going to doesn't work out, I'll go back to my doc and just get the ball rolling. |
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Posted: 9/12/2015 2:57:48 PM EDT
[Last Edit: jrzy]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pumbaajk: Why? Come on dude, you're not that high. If you think you're to high for whatever reason, tapper off the dose. You won't be giving your endocrine system any kind of break, all you'll do is feel like shit for a couple weeks because you missed your shots and it will take your body time to get used to the test again. You over think alot of this. Stick with a plan and keep going. I don't know how you find any kind of baseline for dosages or protocols when you change you shit up so often. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pumbaajk: Originally Posted By jrzy: Any benefit to going off T injections for a couple of weeks ? My T has been running really high even at 1/2 ml per week Giving my endo system a small break? Why? Come on dude, you're not that high. If you think you're to high for whatever reason, tapper off the dose. You won't be giving your endocrine system any kind of break, all you'll do is feel like shit for a couple weeks because you missed your shots and it will take your body time to get used to the test again. You over think alot of this. Stick with a plan and keep going. I don't know how you find any kind of baseline for dosages or protocols when you change you shit up so often. I haven't changed anything other than drop my dose from 1 ml once per week to a 1/2 mil twice per week , maybe a little less than a 1/2 ml I just did a shot after 6 days of no shots , a 1/4 ml of T I use to think more was better but I think I feel a lot better when my T is lower, maybe a steady range of 650? When my T is over a 1000 I don't feel great, it's like I am losing the benefit of the T itself. Going to see how I feel at 1/4 ml twice per week. Any using a dose that low having good results? |
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Posted: 9/12/2015 3:17:06 PM EDT
[Last Edit: EXPY37]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jrzy:
Any benefit to going off T injections for a couple of weeks ? My T has been running really high even at 1/2 ml per week Giving my endo system a small break? I modulate my dosage as I need to. I've learned [when I was likely a tiny baby] -to think and act for myself... In my BEST interests ---notwithstanding the interests others may project onto me. |
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Posted: 9/12/2015 3:18:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jrzy:
My T level was 1102 3 days after my shot of a 1/2 ml I haven't changed anything other than drop my dose from 1 ml once per week to a 1/2 mil twice per week , maybe a little less than a 1/2 ml I just did a shot after 6 days of no shots , a 1/4 ml of T I use to think more was better but I think I feel a lot better when my T is lower, maybe a steady range of 650? When my T is over a 1000 I don't feel great, it's like I am losing the benefit of the T itself. Going to see how I feel at 1/4 ml twice per week. Any using a dose that low having good results? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jrzy:
Originally Posted By pumbaajk:
Originally Posted By jrzy:
Any benefit to going off T injections for a couple of weeks ? My T has been running really high even at 1/2 ml per week Giving my endo system a small break? Why? Come on dude, you're not that high. If you think you're to high for whatever reason, tapper off the dose. You won't be giving your endocrine system any kind of break, all you'll do is feel like shit for a couple weeks because you missed your shots and it will take your body time to get used to the test again. You over think alot of this. Stick with a plan and keep going. I don't know how you find any kind of baseline for dosages or protocols when you change you shit up so often. I haven't changed anything other than drop my dose from 1 ml once per week to a 1/2 mil twice per week , maybe a little less than a 1/2 ml I just did a shot after 6 days of no shots , a 1/4 ml of T I use to think more was better but I think I feel a lot better when my T is lower, maybe a steady range of 650? When my T is over a 1000 I don't feel great, it's like I am losing the benefit of the T itself. Going to see how I feel at 1/4 ml twice per week. Any using a dose that low having good results? You didn't mention the concentration of the material you're injecting... So how can we answer??? [Or did you and I missed it? |
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Posted: 9/12/2015 3:19:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By EXPY37:
I modulate my dosage as I need to. I've learned [when I was likely a tiny baby] -to think and act for myself Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By EXPY37:
Originally Posted By jrzy:
Any benefit to going off T injections for a couple of weeks ? My T has been running really high even at 1/2 ml per week Giving my endo system a small break? I modulate my dosage as I need to. I've learned [when I was likely a tiny baby] -to think and act for myself EXPY37 must have upped his dose. He's been pretty confrontational here lately!
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Posted: 9/12/2015 3:20:54 PM EDT
[Last Edit: EXPY37]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pumbaajk:
EXPY37 must have upped his dose. He's been pretty confrontational here lately!
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pumbaajk:
Originally Posted By EXPY37:
Originally Posted By jrzy:
Any benefit to going off T injections for a couple of weeks ? My T has been running really high even at 1/2 ml per week Giving my endo system a small break? I modulate my dosage as I need to. I've learned [when I was likely a tiny baby] -to think and act for myself EXPY37 must have upped his dose. He's been pretty confrontational here lately!
Actually, I did to .4cc every 4 days of 200mg/per cc.
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Posted: 9/12/2015 3:24:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By EXPY37: You didn't mention the concentration of the material you're injecting... So how can we answer??? [Or did you and I missed it? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By EXPY37: Originally Posted By jrzy: Originally Posted By pumbaajk: Originally Posted By jrzy: Any benefit to going off T injections for a couple of weeks ? My T has been running really high even at 1/2 ml per week Giving my endo system a small break? Why? Come on dude, you're not that high. If you think you're to high for whatever reason, tapper off the dose. You won't be giving your endocrine system any kind of break, all you'll do is feel like shit for a couple weeks because you missed your shots and it will take your body time to get used to the test again. You over think alot of this. Stick with a plan and keep going. I don't know how you find any kind of baseline for dosages or protocols when you change you shit up so often. I haven't changed anything other than drop my dose from 1 ml once per week to a 1/2 mil twice per week , maybe a little less than a 1/2 ml I just did a shot after 6 days of no shots , a 1/4 ml of T I use to think more was better but I think I feel a lot better when my T is lower, maybe a steady range of 650? When my T is over a 1000 I don't feel great, it's like I am losing the benefit of the T itself. Going to see how I feel at 1/4 ml twice per week. Any using a dose that low having good results? You didn't mention the concentration of the material you're injecting... So how can we answer??? [Or did you and I missed it? |
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Posted: 9/12/2015 3:26:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By EXPY37:
Actually, I did to .4cc every 4 days of 200mg/per cc.
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By EXPY37:
Originally Posted By pumbaajk:
Originally Posted By EXPY37:
Originally Posted By jrzy:
Any benefit to going off T injections for a couple of weeks ? My T has been running really high even at 1/2 ml per week Giving my endo system a small break? I modulate my dosage as I need to. I've learned [when I was likely a tiny baby] -to think and act for myself EXPY37 must have upped his dose. He's been pretty confrontational here lately!
Actually, I did to .4cc every 4 days of 200mg/per cc.
This place is turning into a bunch of testosterone filled, meat eatin, tire throwing savages. Watch out all you beta males of arfcom. |
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Posted: 9/12/2015 3:35:35 PM EDT
[Last Edit: SCW]
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I started a few months ago at 1ml/week with a 200mg/ml concentration. After 8 weeks my blood came back with 1038 7 1/2 days after an injection, so I decided to back off to .75ml or 150mg every week.
Since then I've not felt well and was about to adjust the T back up, but both of my teenaged boys also got sick so I am riding it out for a few more weeks to see if it was just something going around. Why is it so hard to feel like I want to? Sitting at a computer seems to suck the life out of me too, the busier I am the worse my conditions.... |
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Posted: 9/12/2015 3:36:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: WeimaranerDad]
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I picked my mom up from the hospital yesterday. She has a back/spinal thing going on. The doc gave her a script for oxycontin, oxycodone, and flexirill. It was all hand written on a script pad maybe a little bit bigger than a 3X5 card. We went to her regular pharmacist. He must be in his 70's.
So he is looking over the script and then looking at what they have in stock. They were out of the time release version of the oxycontin. So he asks me, "Got any questions?" I said, "Sure do! Let me get this straight, it is easier to get oxycontin than it is to get testosterone?" He replied with, "Yep, sure is!" I should have countered with "I bet if I was a menopausal woman, doctors and pharmacies would be falling all over themselves to get HRT/estrogen!?" 
But I wasn't thinking that quickly on my feet. |
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Posted: 9/12/2015 3:57:19 PM EDT
[Last Edit: EXPY37]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SCW:
I started a few months ago at 1ml/week with a 200mg/ml concentration. After 8 weeks my blood came back with 1038 7 1/2 days after an injection, so I decided to back off to .75ml or 150mg every week. Since then I've not felt well and was about to adjust the T back up, but both of my teenaged boys also got sick so I am riding it out for a few more weeks to see if it was just something going around. Why is it so hard to feel like I want to? Sitting at a computer seems to suck the life out of me too, the busier I am the worse my conditions.... SCW, it took forever to find out the optimum dosage and I'm not sure it stays the same over time. I still don't know what it is... I seem to feel OK at .3 to .4 ml of the aforementioned concentration. If you have just started, there is a lot of body adjustment over time --many months [years?] likely... I had growing pains for a long time in my legs and trunk... Still do sometimes. My family doc says a LabCorp reading of 1000 is way too high, my HRT doc seems to think it's OK. Who knows? It might be little things like what you eat, how much sleep, how the injection is done and absorbed, affect each dose. My body after ~ 2 1/2 years is still reshaping/changing... I think my SO likes it tho... 
Plus -I'm older than anybuddy here, most lilkely! |
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Posted: 9/12/2015 4:01:42 PM EDT
[Last Edit: EXPY37]
[#23]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pumbaajk:
This place is turning into a bunch of testosterone filled, meat eatin, tire throwing savages. Watch out all you beta males of arfcom. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pumbaajk:
Originally Posted By EXPY37:
Originally Posted By pumbaajk:
Originally Posted By EXPY37:
Originally Posted By jrzy:
Any benefit to going off T injections for a couple of weeks ? My T has been running really high even at 1/2 ml per week Giving my endo system a small break? I modulate my dosage as I need to. I've learned [when I was likely a tiny baby] -to think and act for myself EXPY37 must have upped his dose. He's been pretty confrontational here lately!
Actually, I did to .4cc every 4 days of 200mg/per cc.
This place is turning into a bunch of testosterone filled, meat eatin, tire throwing savages. Watch out all you beta males of arfcom. Yeah, I've ruined two purses in the past week...
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Posted: 9/12/2015 4:08:33 PM EDT
[Last Edit: EXPY37]
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Re dosage, it seems for me that when I have a -uh, 'strong and pungent' under-arm odor, that I haven't previously had in recent [older age] time, I may be near or over the correct -for me- dosage.
BO is actually one of the key indicators I use to help modulate my dosage. |
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Posted: 9/12/2015 4:14:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By EXPY37:
SCW, it took forever to find out the optimum dosage and I'm not sure it stays the same over time. I still don't know what it is... I seem to feel OK at .3 to .4 ml of the aforementioned concentration. If you have just started, there is a lot of body adjustment over time --many months [years?] likely... I had growing pains for a long time in my legs and trunk... Still do sometimes. My family doc says a LabCorp reading of 1000 is way too high, my HRT doc seems to think it's OK. Who knows? It might be little things like what you eat, how much sleep, how the injection is done and absorbed, affect each dose. My body after ~ 2 1/2 years is still reshaping/changing... I think my SO likes it tho...
Plus -I'm older than anybuddy here, most lilkely! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By EXPY37:
Originally Posted By SCW:
I started a few months ago at 1ml/week with a 200mg/ml concentration. After 8 weeks my blood came back with 1038 7 1/2 days after an injection, so I decided to back off to .75ml or 150mg every week. Since then I've not felt well and was about to adjust the T back up, but both of my teenaged boys also got sick so I am riding it out for a few more weeks to see if it was just something going around. Why is it so hard to feel like I want to? Sitting at a computer seems to suck the life out of me too, the busier I am the worse my conditions.... SCW, it took forever to find out the optimum dosage and I'm not sure it stays the same over time. I still don't know what it is... I seem to feel OK at .3 to .4 ml of the aforementioned concentration. If you have just started, there is a lot of body adjustment over time --many months [years?] likely... I had growing pains for a long time in my legs and trunk... Still do sometimes. My family doc says a LabCorp reading of 1000 is way too high, my HRT doc seems to think it's OK. Who knows? It might be little things like what you eat, how much sleep, how the injection is done and absorbed, affect each dose. My body after ~ 2 1/2 years is still reshaping/changing... I think my SO likes it tho...
Plus -I'm older than anybuddy here, most lilkely! Thanks for the input. I think I'm going to crank it back up that extra .25ml and see if it changes how I feel. I'm sitting here at the table trying to get some work done and it's like I'm fogged out, similar but not as severe as I was before I started trt. No reason for that, if 1000-1100 is where I feel good, I'm going to stick with that. It seems most people are shooting for that 800ish range with similar doses to what you are taking. Maybe I need a bit more, I guess I'll go back up and see if I snap out of this. |
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Posted: 9/12/2015 4:17:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By EXPY37:
Re dosage, it seems for me that when I have a -uh, 'strong and pungent' under-arm odor, that I haven't previously had in recent [older age] time, I may be near or over the correct -for me- dosage. BO is actually one of the key indicators I use to help modulate my dosage. That's no good, I'm always fresh as a daisy. Actually I don't smell as strong as I did before I cut back. I have been lifting weights quite a bit and noticed that I suddenly would get pretty rank, but not so bad anymore. That settles it, I'm going to juice it up again and see how it does. |
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Posted: 9/12/2015 4:19:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: EXPY37]
[#27]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SCW:
Thanks for the input. I think I'm going to crank it back up that extra .25ml and see if it changes how I feel. I'm sitting here at the table trying to get some work done and it's like I'm fogged out, similar but not as severe as I was before I started trt. No reason for that, if 1000-1100 is where I feel good, I'm going to stick with that. It seems most people are shooting for that 800ish range with similar doses to what you are taking. Maybe I need a bit more, I guess I'll go back up and see if I snap out of this. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SCW:
Originally Posted By EXPY37:
Originally Posted By SCW:
I started a few months ago at 1ml/week with a 200mg/ml concentration. After 8 weeks my blood came back with 1038 7 1/2 days after an injection, so I decided to back off to .75ml or 150mg every week. Since then I've not felt well and was about to adjust the T back up, but both of my teenaged boys also got sick so I am riding it out for a few more weeks to see if it was just something going around. Why is it so hard to feel like I want to? Sitting at a computer seems to suck the life out of me too, the busier I am the worse my conditions.... SCW, it took forever to find out the optimum dosage and I'm not sure it stays the same over time. I still don't know what it is... I seem to feel OK at .3 to .4 ml of the aforementioned concentration. If you have just started, there is a lot of body adjustment over time --many months [years?] likely... I had growing pains for a long time in my legs and trunk... Still do sometimes. My family doc says a LabCorp reading of 1000 is way too high, my HRT doc seems to think it's OK. Who knows? It might be little things like what you eat, how much sleep, how the injection is done and absorbed, affect each dose. My body after ~ 2 1/2 years is still reshaping/changing... I think my SO likes it tho...
Plus -I'm older than anybuddy here, most lilkely! Thanks for the input. I think I'm going to crank it back up that extra .25ml and see if it changes how I feel. I'm sitting here at the table trying to get some work done and it's like I'm fogged out, similar but not as severe as I was before I started trt. No reason for that, if 1000-1100 is where I feel good, I'm going to stick with that. It seems most people are shooting for that 800ish range with similar doses to what you are taking. Maybe I need a bit more, I guess I'll go back up and see if I snap out of this. I never used caffeine, or depended on sodas for energy. Never smoked, used drugs, boozed, etc. Now, I've found that a 5 Hour Energy drink perks me up and sometimes one in the PM as well. Doesn't seem to be a T related issue. My MOTIVATION [and mental clarity to a small degree] after an energy drink skyrockets and I get so much done the high cost of them is irrelevant. Been using the E-drinks abt at least a year after starting TRT, that's been ~ 2 1/2 yrs. |
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Posted: 9/12/2015 4:33:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SCW:
Thanks for the input. I think I'm going to crank it back up that extra .25ml and see if it changes how I feel. I'm sitting here at the table trying to get some work done and it's like I'm fogged out, similar but not as severe as I was before I started trt. No reason for that, if 1000-1100 is where I feel good, I'm going to stick with that. It seems most people are shooting for that 800ish range with similar doses to what you are taking. Maybe I need a bit more, I guess I'll go back up and see if I snap out of this. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SCW:
Originally Posted By EXPY37:
Originally Posted By SCW:
I started a few months ago at 1ml/week with a 200mg/ml concentration. After 8 weeks my blood came back with 1038 7 1/2 days after an injection, so I decided to back off to .75ml or 150mg every week. Since then I've not felt well and was about to adjust the T back up, but both of my teenaged boys also got sick so I am riding it out for a few more weeks to see if it was just something going around. Why is it so hard to feel like I want to? Sitting at a computer seems to suck the life out of me too, the busier I am the worse my conditions.... SCW, it took forever to find out the optimum dosage and I'm not sure it stays the same over time. I still don't know what it is... I seem to feel OK at .3 to .4 ml of the aforementioned concentration. If you have just started, there is a lot of body adjustment over time --many months [years?] likely... I had growing pains for a long time in my legs and trunk... Still do sometimes. My family doc says a LabCorp reading of 1000 is way too high, my HRT doc seems to think it's OK. Who knows? It might be little things like what you eat, how much sleep, how the injection is done and absorbed, affect each dose. My body after ~ 2 1/2 years is still reshaping/changing... I think my SO likes it tho...
Plus -I'm older than anybuddy here, most lilkely! Thanks for the input. I think I'm going to crank it back up that extra .25ml and see if it changes how I feel. I'm sitting here at the table trying to get some work done and it's like I'm fogged out, similar but not as severe as I was before I started trt. No reason for that, if 1000-1100 is where I feel good, I'm going to stick with that. It seems most people are shooting for that 800ish range with similar doses to what you are taking. Maybe I need a bit more, I guess I'll go back up and see if I snap out of this. It really takes me a few months for any change in dosage to fully affect me. When I first started I had almost intant improvement but I just kept dicking around with my dosage...for about a year. I would feel great and then like shit and I felt like I was chasing my tail, never really able to correlate they way I felt to any changes in meds. After I settled down a bit I realized I just needed to be systematic about dialing things in, small changes, and less often. I think it took me two years to really dial it in and it shouldn't have. Not saying you are heading down that path because I haven't been following anything here for long. Just a word of caution, or just general advice for any of you starting out. |
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Posted: 9/12/2015 4:35:15 PM EDT
[#29]
Yep...
Then factor all the symptoms too high or too low Estrogen creates, and we have a real messy kettle of fish. |
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Posted: 9/12/2015 4:38:14 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By EXPY37:
Yep... Then factor all the symptoms too high or too low Estrogen creates, and we have a real messy kettle of fish. And HCG if you so choose.. |
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Posted: 9/12/2015 4:43:22 PM EDT
[#31]
I lost part of the other post it seems.
I was going to say that I felt damn near as crappy with my TT at 800 as I did at 200. Somewhere around 1000 is where I suddenly come back to life...and Mrs. BASE will confirm that. Sucks that I'm unfortunate enough to one of the guys that needs about 300/week to get there. |
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Posted: 9/12/2015 5:10:51 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BASE:
I lost part of the other post it seems. I was going to say that I felt damn near as crappy with my TT at 800 as I did at 200. Somewhere around 1000 is where I suddenly come back to life...and Mrs. BASE will confirm that. Sucks that I'm unfortunate enough to one of the guys that needs about 300/week to get there. $300 a week????? |
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Posted: 9/12/2015 5:22:09 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By EXPY37: Yep... Then factor all the symptoms too high or too low Estrogen creates, and we have a real messy kettle of fish.  |
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Posted: 9/12/2015 5:26:05 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By EXPY37:
$300 a week????? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By EXPY37:
Originally Posted By BASE:
I lost part of the other post it seems. I was going to say that I felt damn near as crappy with my TT at 800 as I did at 200. Somewhere around 1000 is where I suddenly come back to life...and Mrs. BASE will confirm that. Sucks that I'm unfortunate enough to one of the guys that needs about 300/week to get there. $300 a week????? 300mg I assume |
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Posted: 9/12/2015 5:42:05 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SCW:
300mg I assume Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SCW:
Originally Posted By EXPY37:
Originally Posted By BASE:
I lost part of the other post it seems. I was going to say that I felt damn near as crappy with my TT at 800 as I did at 200. Somewhere around 1000 is where I suddenly come back to life...and Mrs. BASE will confirm that. Sucks that I'm unfortunate enough to one of the guys that needs about 300/week to get there. $300 a week????? 300mg I assume Yep, 300mg. I have no idea what my body does to the stuff, but I seem to not absorb or just piss it out. 
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Posted: 9/12/2015 6:16:20 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BASE:
Yep, 300mg. I have no idea what my body does to the stuff, but I seem to not absorb or just piss it out.
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BASE:
Originally Posted By SCW:
Originally Posted By EXPY37:
Originally Posted By BASE:
I lost part of the other post it seems. I was going to say that I felt damn near as crappy with my TT at 800 as I did at 200. Somewhere around 1000 is where I suddenly come back to life...and Mrs. BASE will confirm that. Sucks that I'm unfortunate enough to one of the guys that needs about 300/week to get there. $300 a week????? 300mg I assume Yep, 300mg. I have no idea what my body does to the stuff, but I seem to not absorb or just piss it out.
I hit that 1050-ish with 200/week. Starting tomorrow I'm going back to it and see if I snap out of this slight funk. I'm not in as bad of shape as I was with no TRT, but I'm not a superhero like I was a 1050 either. I gave it 4 weeks to settle out, and I've only been worse as it goes along, so enough is enough. 300/week is a pretty stiff dose, did you start growing hair on the bottom of your feet and grow biceps on your biceps? |
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Posted: 9/12/2015 6:48:21 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SCW:
300mg I assume I dunno...
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SCW:
Originally Posted By EXPY37:
Originally Posted By BASE:
I lost part of the other post it seems. I was going to say that I felt damn near as crappy with my TT at 800 as I did at 200. Somewhere around 1000 is where I suddenly come back to life...and Mrs. BASE will confirm that. Sucks that I'm unfortunate enough to one of the guys that needs about 300/week to get there. $300 a week????? 300mg I assume I dunno...
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Posted: 9/12/2015 7:48:07 PM EDT
[#38]
To all of you playing with your dosage before you start tweaking things I'd pull a full panel and get your free t and E2 numbers as well. If your free T is pretty low I'd up the dose. If your E2 is high with a high TT and free T try lowering it. If your T numbers look good but your e2 is high it may be time to get some arimidex or if you T numbers are really high try adjusting your dose or playing with your shot intervals.
Point being just tweaking your dosage without some good info may not solve your problem. Whatever you do only adjust one thing at a time and wait a few weeks before making another change. Go by how your feel but use the numbers to help point you in the right direction. |
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Posted: 9/12/2015 9:42:06 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shane333:
No, haven't tried the insulin pins. So far I've had my best results using a 25G needle. Any more thin and I'd worry about the needle snapping during the injection. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shane333:
Originally Posted By 2tired2run:
Shane Have you tried insulin pins to inject? I'm using them and with a 29G needle the there is very little concern about muscle damage. The only problem I've had is about 1 out of 10 the needle feels like it has a burr on it. Hurts a little but most of the time it's painless. No, haven't tried the insulin pins. So far I've had my best results using a 25G needle. Any more thin and I'd worry about the needle snapping during the injection. That's what I typically use. My most recent shot was a 22g needle because that's all I had. I use an 18g to draw it from the vial and then swap out the needles to a 22g or 25g. I used to be deathly terrified of needles, then I got flown to a trauma center after getting shot and got stuck (this is a conservative estimation) at least 34 times that I could remember, in a 3-day period. Now the only place I'm afraid of needles is at the dentist when he's doing dental work. Shit still gives me the creeps. I've put off some stuff that I've needed to get done at least three times now because I hate going there. Love my dentist, but hate having my eyes, teeth/mouth, or feet messed with. |
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Posted: 9/14/2015 6:14:52 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SCW:
I hit that 1050-ish with 200/week. Starting tomorrow I'm going back to it and see if I snap out of this slight funk. I'm not in as bad of shape as I was with no TRT, but I'm not a superhero like I was a 1050 either. I gave it 4 weeks to settle out, and I've only been worse as it goes along, so enough is enough. 300/week is a pretty stiff dose, did you start growing hair on the bottom of your feet and grow biceps on your biceps? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SCW:
Originally Posted By BASE:
Originally Posted By SCW:
Originally Posted By EXPY37:
Originally Posted By BASE:
I lost part of the other post it seems. I was going to say that I felt damn near as crappy with my TT at 800 as I did at 200. Somewhere around 1000 is where I suddenly come back to life...and Mrs. BASE will confirm that. Sucks that I'm unfortunate enough to one of the guys that needs about 300/week to get there. $300 a week????? 300mg I assume Yep, 300mg. I have no idea what my body does to the stuff, but I seem to not absorb or just piss it out.
I hit that 1050-ish with 200/week. Starting tomorrow I'm going back to it and see if I snap out of this slight funk. I'm not in as bad of shape as I was with no TRT, but I'm not a superhero like I was a 1050 either. I gave it 4 weeks to settle out, and I've only been worse as it goes along, so enough is enough. 300/week is a pretty stiff dose, did you start growing hair on the bottom of your feet and grow biceps on your biceps? No extra hair. I actually take that much to get to 1000. My current doc said he would never give anyone 200/week when we started. I let let him do the injections (to rule out any cheating) and then got BW every 5 weeks for 1 year and he finally gave in. I don't need an AI as I don't have a measurable E2 level without HCG. HCT is fine with the dose. My TT hovers around 1000. I still don't feel like I did before this shit started but we've reached the limit of what any reasonable doc is willing to give now I think. The only take away is this shit is pretty personal and everyone is different. I probably spent my 20's at an insanely high T level and don't feel great without it, and my body is used to that. I have a good friend who feels like superman on 100/2weeks. Also: I already had biceps on my biceps 
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Posted: 9/14/2015 10:44:01 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SCW: I started a few months ago at 1ml/week with a 200mg/ml concentration. After 8 weeks my blood came back with 1038 7 1/2 days after an injection, so I decided to back off to .75ml or 150mg every week. Since then I've not felt well and was about to adjust the T back up, but both of my teenaged boys also got sick so I am riding it out for a few more weeks to see if it was just something going around. Why is it so hard to feel like I want to? Sitting at a computer seems to suck the life out of me too, the busier I am the worse my conditions.... |
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Posted: 9/16/2015 12:01:02 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By moonjumper: How's your e2 holding? There is often a yoyo effect for a good while. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By moonjumper: Originally Posted By SCW: I started a few months ago at 1ml/week with a 200mg/ml concentration. After 8 weeks my blood came back with 1038 7 1/2 days after an injection, so I decided to back off to .75ml or 150mg every week. Since then I've not felt well and was about to adjust the T back up, but both of my teenaged boys also got sick so I am riding it out for a few more weeks to see if it was just something going around. Why is it so hard to feel like I want to? Sitting at a computer seems to suck the life out of me too, the busier I am the worse my conditions.... But everyone I know who is on TRT says the same thing, they have to keep adjusting the E blocker |
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Posted: 9/16/2015 4:10:56 PM EDT
[#43]
So I have feeling like shit. Took a online quiz and I feel EXACTLY like the quiz was made for me.
I called ageless men (friend told me he goes there) and man talk about 
So I looked up a urologist on my insurance company and made an appointment. What am I in for? |
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Posted: 9/16/2015 4:21:12 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jeep450:
So I have feeling like shit. Took a online quiz and I feel EXACTLY like the quiz was made for me. I called ageless men (friend told me he goes there) and man talk about
So I looked up a urologist on my insurance company and made an appointment. What am I in for? Study up now so you don't get led astray from a retarded doctor. |
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Posted: 9/16/2015 9:33:21 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pumbaajk: Study up now so you don't get led astray from a retarded doctor. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pumbaajk: Originally Posted By jeep450: So I have feeling like shit. Took a online quiz and I feel EXACTLY like the quiz was made for me. I called ageless men (friend told me he goes there) and man talk about So I looked up a urologist on my insurance company and made an appointment. What am I in for? Study up now so you don't get led astray from a retarded doctor. |
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Posted: 9/16/2015 11:58:59 PM EDT
[#46]
If possible get some labs drawn a few days before so you can have all the numbers with you to discuss.
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Posted: 9/17/2015 9:27:42 AM EDT
[Last Edit: jeep450]
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By medicmandan:
If possible get some labs drawn a few days before so you can have all the numbers with you to discuss. They are drawing blood during the exam. Told me not to eat or drink anything (water ok) that morning, appointment is 9am. I'm 38 with a 5 year old son, I should not be in the shape I am in nor feel like I do 
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Posted: 9/17/2015 9:47:58 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jeep450:
They are drawing blood during the exam. Told me not to eat or drink anything (water ok) that morning, appointment is 9am. I'm 38 with a 5 year old son, I should not be in the shape I am in nor feel like I do Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jeep450:
Originally Posted By medicmandan:
If possible get some labs drawn a few days before so you can have all the numbers with you to discuss. They are drawing blood during the exam. Told me not to eat or drink anything (water ok) that morning, appointment is 9am. I'm 38 with a 5 year old son, I should not be in the shape I am in nor feel like I do Like others have said get some blood first and get to reading. Head over to privatemdlabs.com and pull either the male hormone or female hormone panel. The difference between the two is really some Thyroid levels and Free T. It just depends on how much you want to spend. Be prepared for resistance from you doc. Some are very easy to work with but the general consensus is most are either willfully ignorant or arrogant. http://www.menshormonalhealth.com/normal-testosterone-levels.html - this page is helpful to put some context to the lab work. All that said be wary of the doc that just writes an RX for T without doing some investigation. Low T could be cause by lazy testicles or a pituitary that has issues. You may also have thyroid problems causing weight gain that is impacting your T production. Labs will help point you in the right direction but should not be he final word on what is going on. |
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Posted: 9/17/2015 9:49:48 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jrzy:
Man, E2 is the hardest to nail down, I wish it was like this, you take x amount of T then you need x amount of arimidex But everyone I know who is on TRT says the same thing, they have to keep adjusting the E blocker Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jrzy:
Originally Posted By moonjumper:
Originally Posted By SCW:
I started a few months ago at 1ml/week with a 200mg/ml concentration. After 8 weeks my blood came back with 1038 7 1/2 days after an injection, so I decided to back off to .75ml or 150mg every week. Since then I've not felt well and was about to adjust the T back up, but both of my teenaged boys also got sick so I am riding it out for a few more weeks to see if it was just something going around. Why is it so hard to feel like I want to? Sitting at a computer seems to suck the life out of me too, the busier I am the worse my conditions.... But everyone I know who is on TRT says the same thing, they have to keep adjusting the E blocker From Tnation: KSMan posted this I have not tried it but let us know if it helps. "When on anastrozole and you get an in-range number, lets say 12 and your target is E2=22, your new dose is old_dose x 12/22. Its that simple. So 1/4mg per week is probably going to be close. You need a liquid product to dispense by the drop. You can also dissolve anastrozole tabs in vodka, shake and dispense by the drop. " http://tnation.t-nation.com/free_online_forum/sports_training_performance_bodybuilding_trt/going_from_clomid_mono_therapy_back_to_trt?pageNo=0#6187702 |
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Posted: 9/17/2015 10:47:06 AM EDT
[Last Edit: EXPY37]
[#50]
I find about 1/4 mg per week Arimidex abt right.
As far as preparing a dose, just clip the pill with toenail cutters, I use fine electronic wire cutters, it isn't a big deal... Except for the anally obsessed.
I'm finally getting tuned in after 2 1/2 years approx. I was trying to use the minimal dosage [my family doc kept saying I had "too much testosterone" based on lab tests abt 900 on the L-C scale] My HRT doc dosen't seem concerned. I upped my dosage abt 2 months ago about .05 cc [of 200mg/cc T-C] and seem to be improved. [to .4 cc every 4 days] Tuesday I shocked myself with the number of times I could lift the tire and wheel assembly over my head. So, I seem to feel the best w/ a T level around 1100+ -LabCorp scale. Don't want to show this number to my family doc tho. I pull all the labs for both docs, family doc thinks it's 'unethical' that I can do it but he goes over them with me. |
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