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Posted: 5/11/2009 4:33:47 AM EST
The show had some terrible matchups (gladiator vs. apache/ninja vs. spartan/samurai vs. viking
 ), but tomorrow might be interesting for the hive: U.S. Green Beret versus the Russian Spetsnaz I'm choosing Green Beret, but what does ARFCOM think? At least someone else will answer the question AK versus AR.
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Posted: 5/11/2009 4:46:11 AM EST
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Green berets.
And In before the picture of the "Spetnaz flipping dagger attack" |
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Posted: 5/11/2009 4:47:23 AM EST
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Green berets. And In before the picture of the "Spetnaz flipping dagger attack" In before the "Its a Shovel" correction.. |
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Posted: 5/11/2009 4:49:27 AM EST
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Im sure they will rank the AK above the M16. The Russian guys will say how super reliable it is and not address accuracy or weight.
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Posted: 5/11/2009 4:49:28 AM EST
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Green berets. And In before the picture of the "Spetnaz flipping dagger attack" In before the "Its a Shovel" correction.. And in before "no, it's a hatchet". |
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Posted: 5/11/2009 4:55:53 AM EST
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Green berets. And In before the picture of the "Spetnaz flipping dagger attack" In before the "Its a Shovel" correction.. And in before "no, it's a hatchet". And in before "no, it's an E-Tool" My money is on the Green Beret (I don't care what the show comes up with) GB's have the ability to think independently, and work unconventionally..vs Spetnaz being perpetually micro-managed and restricted due to communism |
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Posted: 5/11/2009 4:58:31 AM EST
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I think 1 on 1 (hand to hand, or without a firearm) the Spetz would normally take a G.B., in combat I believe as a unit the G.B. are more effective, and would stomp the Spetz.
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Posted: 5/11/2009 5:03:00 AM EST
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Spetsnaz are a bunch of sissy bitches.
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Posted: 5/11/2009 5:03:34 AM EST
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well I ain't a guy to let you down 
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Posted: 5/11/2009 5:04:51 AM EST
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hey my DVR cut off the mafia vs yakuza one who won that one?
btw it is an entertaining show nonetheless even if the matchups are unrealisitc, it is cool to see how each one fought and trained and what weapons they used in their trades but yeah the GB/ spetnaz one will be one to watch |
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Posted: 5/11/2009 5:15:58 AM EST
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Green berets. And In before the picture of the "Spetnaz flipping dagger attack" In before the "Its a Shovel" correction.. And in before "no, it's a hatchet". And in before "no, it's an E-Tool" My money is on the Green Beret (I don't care what the show comes up with) GB's have the ability to think independently, and work unconventionally..vs Spetnaz being perpetually micro-managed and restricted due to communism I think you have that backwards. In the US, our guys would be the ones micromanaged, and have to wait for approval just to initiate the attack, and then worry about the decision later because they might be prosecuted for what their commanders gave orders to do. Spetsnaz doesnt have those issues. They're told to get a job done, and will do so by whatever means necessary by the choice and determination of the situation by their men on the ground. Not that I'm voting their side, just pointing out what I think is a wrong assumption of our guys compared to theirs. PS Our technology will FOREVER be ahead of EVERYONE ELSE! Thats the biggest asset to our military as far as I'm concerned. |
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Posted: 5/11/2009 5:16:03 AM EST
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how do they match up? IOW, what are they comparing? Green Beanies and Spetsnaz have two different missions.
might be better served for a Navy Seal or Army Ranger vs Spetsnaz, IMOHO |
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Posted: 5/11/2009 5:19:36 AM EST
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how do they match up? IOW, what are they comparing? Green Beanies and Spetsnaz have two different missions. might be better served for a Navy Seal or Army Ranger vs Spetsnaz, IMOHO You are absolutely right, and that is why I have a gripe with this match up. But it will be interesting to see how they do. I wonder if they will have the cool former Spetsnaz dude that the History/Military channel uses for the AK shows, the dude that does pushup with the AK balanced on the magazine. |
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Posted: 5/11/2009 5:19:56 AM EST
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Aren't the actual jobs of the Green Berets and Spetsnaz entirely different ?
Sure their both special forces ,but with a different task . I thought the Spetnatz were just combat specialists ,while the Green Berets were more gear towards towards knowing foreign languages and customs in order to help train fighting men in other countries . Spetnatz = killing people ,especially close up and fast . Green Berets = Killing people directly and indirectly ,training allied troops , rescue operations,intelligence gathering ,recruiting troops from the local populations of foreign lands ,helping foreing governments security and prep for conflicts , ETC ... Seems like 2 different job fields to me . Am I wrong ? Edited to add : Beat out while waiting on a slow connection . |
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Posted: 5/11/2009 5:30:46 AM EST
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The US Special Forces will organize an entire village or tribe into a fighting force which will then proceed to buttrape the Russians.
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Posted: 5/11/2009 5:43:26 AM EST
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All from /k/ |
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Posted: 5/11/2009 5:58:03 AM EST
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Have never seen this one. Nice! |
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Posted: 5/11/2009 6:08:21 AM EST
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The US Special Forces will organize an entire village or tribe into a fighting force which will then proceed to buttrape the Russians. LULZ! That would rock. I think SPETSNAZ vs SEALs or USMC Force Recon would be more on par. |
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Posted: 5/11/2009 6:21:59 AM EST
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I'm pretty sure my 15 year-old daughter would win a fight with a green felt hat.
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Posted: 5/11/2009 9:08:30 AM EST
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The GB have several mission under their belts that they can do. Yes, they specialize at FID and COIN operations. That is training foreign forces to be a cohesive foreign nations force or as an insurgent force in a foreign country. But they also have all the specialties in a line company that you see in specialized branches. HALO, the Maritime Operations, Mountainering, CQB and urban combat. Each ODA has a specialty, but dont think for a second that these guys dont move from ODA to ODA to gather new skill sets (and rank LOL). By the time you have a few years under your belt most members have served on a few ODA's in an actual combat zone and been to other schools while in between deployments.
When it comes to overall shooting skills the Americans have the best trained troops across the board. I have worked with many different countries and the skill sets we have is generally superior to the regular forces of other countries. In having worked with other Special Operations forces from around the world while on Deployment I can say without hesitation that we have the best shooters in the world. The shooters from the former Warsaw Pact are only marginally better than the regular line troops. Part of that has to do with shooting styles and methodology, but we have better groups and shot to hit ratios by far. I can't wait to see how this plays out and what they give to each side for tools and skills. |
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Posted: 5/11/2009 9:14:08 AM EST
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Not meaning to hijack but does anyone else watch Warriors with Terry Schappert on the History Channel , this week its suppose to be on Special Forces
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Posted: 5/11/2009 9:15:18 AM EST
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The show had some terrible matchups (gladiator vs. apache/ninja vs. spartan/samurai vs. viking ), but tomorrow might be interesting for the hive: U.S. Green Beret versus the Russian Spetsnaz I'm choosing Green Beret, but what does ARFCOM think? At least someone else will answer the question AK versus AR.The only advantage that the Russian troops have over ours is their ability to live with bad conditions. And thats not saying ours are less tough. On the contrary. Theirs are just used to shit everyday and its the norm for them. Ours get 3 square meals and medical treatment. Theirs get fatty canned stewed meat of some kind and a knuckle sandwich from their NCOs. |
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Posted: 5/11/2009 9:16:14 AM EST
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Green Beret.
An aggressive professional will beat out a violent maniac any day. |
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Posted: 5/11/2009 9:21:20 AM EST
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how do they match up? IOW, what are they comparing? Green Beanies and Spetsnaz have two different missions. might be better served for a Navy Seal or Army Ranger vs Spetsnaz, IMOHO You are absolutely right, and that is why I have a gripe with this match up. But it will be interesting to see how they do. I wonder if they will have the cool former Spetsnaz dude that the History/Military channel uses for the AK shows, the dude that does pushup with the AK balanced on the magazine. His name is Paulus "Sonny" Puzikas. He is/was an instructor for Suarez's AK classes. I took one he taught. He is into that Cretan-type shit, so I'd imagine most Spetsnaz guys are too. |
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Posted: 5/27/2009 5:31:05 PM EST
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Weak episode. E-Tools Vs ballistic knife? No testing of body armor used by both forces. Mak beats the M9? Huh?
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Posted: 5/27/2009 5:39:22 PM EST
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Pitiful and down right silly.
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Posted: 5/27/2009 5:43:32 PM EST
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I knew right when they pulled out that ballistic knife, then they were going to finish it with something incredibly stupid. They did.
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Posted: 5/27/2009 5:47:29 PM EST
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I have a feeling that match up has already happen in real life a few times.....like in VN when whole SOG teams got wiped out.
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Posted: 5/27/2009 7:15:00 PM EST
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Quoted: Weak episode. E-Tools Vs ballistic knife? No testing of body armor used by both forces. Mak beats the M9? Huh? The problem with this show is their focus on weapons. For all intents and purposes, CQB weapons on both sides are fairly equal. Therefore, they have to come up with opinions. Like a sweet TJ Hooker tactical roll with a saiga is way better than the Green Beret with a mossberg from behind cover. |
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Posted: 5/27/2009 7:27:03 PM EST
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how do they match up? IOW, what are they comparing? Green Beanies and Spetsnaz have two different missions. might be better served for a Navy Seal or Army Ranger vs Spetsnaz, IMOHO You are absolutely right, and that is why I have a gripe with this match up. But it will be interesting to see how they do. I wonder if they will have the cool former Spetsnaz dude that the History/Military channel uses for the AK shows, the dude that does pushup with the AK balanced on the magazine. If you're talking about Sonny Puzikas, I got him on my friend's list on Myspace. He's a pretty cool guy. He's doing some television action series called "Sinners And Saints". |
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Posted: 5/27/2009 7:36:14 PM EST
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Quoted: Our technology will FOREVER be ahead of EVERYONE ELSE! Thats the biggest asset to our military as far as I'm concerned. Bullshit, and that attitude is the best way to make certain we fall behind. We have an advantage FOR THE TIME BEING. If we decide that a current advantage means we will always be more advanced, we will one day face a rude awakening. |
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Posted: 5/27/2009 7:54:00 PM EST
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Weak episode. E-Tools Vs ballistic knife? No testing of body armor used by both forces. Mak beats the M9? Huh? The GBs lost that show because of the operators not the weapons. |
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Posted: 5/27/2009 7:56:27 PM EST
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Quoted: Quoted: Weak episode. E-Tools Vs ballistic knife? No testing of body armor used by both forces. Mak beats the M9? Huh? The GBs lost that show because of the operators not the weapons. Yup. The GB guy missed 4 times with the M9 at less than 3 yds. |
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Posted: 5/27/2009 7:58:44 PM EST
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The show had some terrible matchups (gladiator vs. apache/ninja vs. spartan/samurai vs. viking ), but tomorrow might be interesting for the hive: U.S. Green Beret versus the Russian Spetsnaz I'm choosing Green Beret, but what does ARFCOM think? At least someone else will answer the question AK versus AR.Depends on ROEs and or what level of ethics/morals you expect. If you want to strictly depopulate a region in an up close and personal fashion the Spetsnaz would be the go-to option. If you only wanted "the right" people killed the Green Berets are a good choice. |
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