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Posted: 12/2/2009 7:17:51 PM EDT
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Perhaps when you leave US jurisdiction, you are no longer a person subject to the jurisdiction of the US for that time, despite being a US citizen and intending to return to said jurisdiction?
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Posted: 12/2/2009 7:19:38 PM EDT
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As I understand it your subject to the laws of the country you are in at the time.
But knowing the gov they'll get their pound of flesh one way or another. |
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Posted: 12/2/2009 7:26:39 PM EDT
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If you have sex with an underage prostitute out of country they jail you for that
when you get home. This new power is just the next step in the natural progression. What? You didn't think they would just stop with the first thing did ya? |
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Posted: 12/2/2009 7:28:04 PM EDT
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Good luck enforcing that one. |
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Posted: 12/2/2009 7:29:36 PM EDT
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Quoted: If you have sex with an underage prostitute out of country they jail you for that when you get home. This new power is just the next step in the natural progression. What? You didn't think they would just stop with the first thing did ya? This isn't new. And frankly, if a citizen smokes a cuban outside the US they won't know or care. |
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Posted: 12/2/2009 7:30:14 PM EDT
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Good luck enforcing that one. i can talk in a fairly good english accent.  whats your excuse mate?
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Posted: 12/2/2009 7:31:17 PM EDT
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Last time I went to the Bahammas, you could buy all the Cubans you wanted....just had to smoke em before you got back to the USA.
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Posted: 12/2/2009 7:32:20 PM EDT
[#8]
They say that for legal reasons.
Outside of US areas of control, they can't enforce that law. |
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Posted: 12/2/2009 7:35:47 PM EDT
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WTF? http://www.treasury.gov/offices/enforcement/ofac/programs/legacy/ccigar2.pdf . The
Regulations prohibit persons subject to the jurisdiction of the United States from purchasing, transporting, importing, or otherwise dealing in or engaging in any transactions with respect to any merchandise outside the United States if such merchandise (1) is of Cuban origin... How exactly does the Treasury Dept plan on enforcing its law outside the US? Maybe they can reassign some of the extra special Secret Service agents from last weeks fiasco to hunt down the ultimate threat to America: Americans smoking Cuban cigars in foreign countries. Where does it say that you cannot consume a Cuban cigar outside the U.S.???? |
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Posted: 12/2/2009 7:35:52 PM EDT
[#10]
Hmm..., gotta rethink letting my cousin from California shoot my AR when she's down here.
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Posted: 12/2/2009 7:38:36 PM EDT
[#11]
I wonder what the statute of limitations is regarding Cuban cigars?
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Posted: 12/2/2009 7:41:02 PM EDT
[#12]
And you going to worried about this. The politicians robbing this country blind, what you think they are smoking?
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Posted: 12/2/2009 7:45:01 PM EDT
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Last time I went to the Bahammas, you could buy all the Cubans you wanted....just had to smoke em before you got back to the USA. Yup and most of them were fake, but I hope you enjoyed them. |
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Posted: 12/2/2009 7:46:02 PM EDT
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WTF? http://www.treasury.gov/offices/enforcement/ofac/programs/legacy/ccigar2.pdf . The
Regulations prohibit persons subject to the jurisdiction of the United States from purchasing, transporting, importing, or otherwise dealing in or engaging in any transactions with respect to any merchandise outside the United States if such merchandise (1) is of Cuban origin... How exactly does the Treasury Dept plan on enforcing its law outside the US? Maybe they can reassign some of the extra special Secret Service agents from last weeks fiasco to hunt down the ultimate threat to America: Americans smoking Cuban cigars in foreign countries. This is hore shite. |
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Posted: 12/2/2009 7:48:01 PM EDT
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I know a guy who was crew on an executive aircraft that was not required to go through customs. He used to bring back Cuban cigars from overseas. I've had a few boxes of them. Not really impressed.
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Posted: 12/2/2009 7:51:43 PM EDT
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In addition, only two countries extract income taxes from their citizen's foreign-derived income:
The United States and Libya Nice company we keep, eh? |
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Posted: 12/2/2009 8:01:37 PM EDT
[#17]
I'll get started caring about that in 3, 2, 1...
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Posted: 12/2/2009 8:02:31 PM EDT
[#18]
just another bullshit law created by people that weren't me
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Posted: 12/2/2009 8:09:07 PM EDT
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just another bullshit law created by people that weren't me Post of the month. I'll be using that one at some point. |
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Posted: 12/2/2009 8:10:00 PM EDT
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Sounds like in Canada, the new law, if you do anything outside of the country, that would be illegal in the country, you can be charged for it (aimed at pedophiles, but as usual written so broadly that it can be and has been used against other issues)
Go to Prague and drink some absinthe and I can now be charged theoretically, but it does feel nice that the US has the same kind of socialist laws as Canada |
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Posted: 12/2/2009 8:10:46 PM EDT
[#21]
Cuban cigars aren't all that great and you can smoke them until you turn green up in Canada.
Trust me, no one in Canada will report you! |
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Posted: 12/2/2009 8:12:15 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: If you have sex with an underage prostitute out of country they jail you for that when you get home. This new power is just the next step in the natural progression. What? You didn't think they would just stop with the first thing did ya? This isn't new. And frankly, if a citizen smokes a cuban outside the US they won't know or care. Ah, but you forget all the cell phone cameras that encode GPS coordinates into the picture. 1. in shop that sells cuban cigars - check 2. neglect to peel off the label - check 3. Post one on the internet and Gotcha. |
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Posted: 12/2/2009 8:12:32 PM EDT
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Sounds like in Canada, the new law, if you do anything outside of the country, that would be illegal in the country, you can be charged for it (aimed at pedophiles, but as usual written so broadly that it can be and has been used against other issues) Go to Prague and drink some absinthe and I can now be charged theoretically, but it does feel nice that the US has the same kind of socialist laws as Canada Or, go to Italy and drink some Uzo... 
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Posted: 12/2/2009 8:13:26 PM EDT
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Cuban cigars aren't all that great and you can smoke them until you turn green up in Canada. Trust me, no one in Canada will report you! And Mexico. Go across the border and smoke away. China makes the Cuban embargo thing just a REALLY silly joke at this point. |
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Posted: 12/2/2009 8:13:44 PM EDT
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Last time I went to the Bahammas, you could buy all the Cubans you wanted....just had to smoke em before you got back to the USA. Yup and most of them were fake, but I hope you enjoyed them. Bullshit, what about that cigar shop in the Atlantis hotel? That's where I bought mine. 
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Posted: 12/2/2009 8:16:13 PM EDT
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Quoted:
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Last time I went to the Bahammas, you could buy all the Cubans you wanted....just had to smoke em before you got back to the USA. Yup and most of them were fake, but I hope you enjoyed them. Actually I don't smoke them....everyone else did though. 
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Posted: 12/2/2009 8:20:25 PM EDT
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The cruise ships have Cuban cigars on board, they sell them outside US waters and lock them up when entering US waters.
Who cares anyway... |
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Posted: 12/2/2009 8:20:46 PM EDT
[#28]
I guess that includes Cuban Beer and Cigs...... fuckin retarded! Wait, does that include fornicating with a Cuban woman also??? |
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Posted: 12/2/2009 8:27:36 PM EDT
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I guess that includes Cuban Beer and Cigs...... fuckin retarded! Wait, does that include fornicating with a Cuban woman also??? Only if you pay for it. 
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Posted: 12/2/2009 8:33:15 PM EDT
[#30]
This has been the case since the embargo was started. Nothing new to see here.
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Posted: 12/2/2009 8:33:57 PM EDT
[#31]
Every GOOD cigar shop has them. Even in shitty little towns. The only fakes I bought were in Mexico go figure. I am hooked now on non cuban CAO MX series.
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Posted: 12/2/2009 8:47:05 PM EDT
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To add: I just got back from eight days in the Philippines. It was actually very refreshing to not hear about that shitstain Obama everytime the TV was on (not that I watched it much). Actually, it was nice to see how the US was not the center of attention to the rest of the world.
Don't get me started on how my welcome back to the US was through Atlanta CBP. What a bunch of bad-attitude affirmative action hire-tards that was. And what a shitty example of the USA to give to the rest of the world. . . fat-assed Shaniqua giving surly directions to tiny Koreans off a direct flight from Seoul . . . 'turn off yo' cell phone'. Actually, I am ashamed at times to be associated with the USA after seeing what shitstains man the front lines. We're doomed, and deservedly.  
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Posted: 12/2/2009 8:50:43 PM EDT
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Quoted: Every GOOD cigar shop has them cigars they say are from Cuba. Even in shitty little towns. The only fakes I bought were in Mexico go figure. I am hooked now on non cuban CAO MX series. I will never buy a cuban cigar from a cigar store in the US. They are obtainable elsewhere |
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Posted: 12/2/2009 9:00:59 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Every GOOD cigar shop has them cigars they say are from Cuba. Even in shitty little towns. The only fakes I bought were in Mexico go figure. I am hooked now on non cuban CAO MX series. I will never buy a cuban cigar from a cigar store in the US. They are obtainable elsewhere I've been to a lot of cigar stores here in America, and I have yet to find one where the owner says "hey, I got these Cubans back here... you interested?" That includes the cigar bars I frequent on a regular basis, and hang out with the owners. I don't know what cigar stores dirtface frequents, but his claim sounds like BS to me. But there are websites out there where you can order Cubans and have them shipped to your house. I know people that order them. The worst that's ever happened is they occasionally receive a letter from customs stating their shipment was seized. When they get that, they let the company know and they reship. Personally, I like Ashtons, Davidoffs, and Padrons. Not a big fan of the Cubans for the most part. But I do really like Partagas Shorts. |
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Posted: 12/2/2009 9:11:57 PM EDT
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Interesting considering they sell them on US Military bases in Iraq.
I smoked the shit outta them downrange. |
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Posted: 12/2/2009 9:14:48 PM EDT
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Every GOOD cigar shop has them cigars they say are from Cuba. Even in shitty little towns. The only fakes I bought were in Mexico go figure. I am hooked now on non cuban CAO MX series. I will never buy a cuban cigar from a cigar store in the US. They are obtainable elsewhere I've been to a lot of cigar stores here in America, and I have yet to find one where the owner says "hey, I got these Cubans back here... you interested?" That includes the cigar bars I frequent on a regular basis, and hang out with the owners. I don't know what cigar stores dirtface frequents, but his claim sounds like BS to me. But there are websites out there where you can order Cubans and have them shipped to your house. I know people that order them. The worst that's ever happened is they occasionally receive a letter from customs stating their shipment was seized. When they get that, they let the company know and they reship. Personally, I like Ashtons, Davidoffs, and Padrons. Not a big fan of the Cubans for the most part. But I do really like Partagas Shorts. This. I've never seen nor heard of any shop offering under the counter Cubans. And just because you think you smoked Cubans, doesn't mean you did. There are more fakes out there than real cigars. If you didn't buy it from a Cuban supplier in person, you can't say for sure. Online you can do it, but they are expensive as hell and there is a slight risk of getting in trouble. Not to mention, you have to know which sites sell the real deal. |
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Posted: 12/2/2009 9:19:54 PM EDT
[#37]
Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Every GOOD cigar shop has them cigars they say are from Cuba. Even in shitty little towns. The only fakes I bought were in Mexico go figure. I am hooked now on non cuban CAO MX series. I will never buy a cuban cigar from a cigar store in the US. They are obtainable elsewhere I've been to a lot of cigar stores here in America, and I have yet to find one where the owner says "hey, I got these Cubans back here... you interested?" That includes the cigar bars I frequent on a regular basis, and hang out with the owners. I don't know what cigar stores dirtface frequents, but his claim sounds like BS to me. But there are websites out there where you can order Cubans and have them shipped to your house. I know people that order them. The worst that's ever happened is they occasionally receive a letter from customs stating their shipment was seized. When they get that, they let the company know and they reship. Personally, I like Ashtons, Davidoffs, and Padrons. Not a big fan of the Cubans for the most part. But I do really like Partagas Shorts. This. I've never seen nor heard of any shop offering under the counter Cubans. And just because you think you smoked Cubans, doesn't mean you did. There are more fakes out there than real cigars. If you didn't buy it from a Cuban supplier in person, you can't say for sure. Online you can do it, but they are expensive as hell and there is a slight risk of getting in trouble. Not to mention, you have to know which sites sell the real deal. Really? I find that Cubans are less expensive than good non cubans. And yes you must trust your source otherwise you will wind up with the same fakes sold at the US Cigar stores. |
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Posted: 12/2/2009 9:20:12 PM EDT
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I rarely smoke them, but I did get a Cuban from Castro's stash several years ago. A friend's dad made a trip to Cuba along with a group of his friends. When they were boarding the plane to return, Castro was there and gave them all a box of Cuban cigars. When he got back, I got one.
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Posted: 12/2/2009 9:25:07 PM EDT
[#39]
Quoted: WTF? http://www.treasury.gov/offices/enforcement/ofac/programs/legacy/ccigar2.pdf . The Regulations prohibit persons subject to the jurisdiction of the United States from purchasing, transporting, importing, or otherwise dealing in or engaging in any transactions with respect to any merchandise outside the United States if such merchandise (1) is of Cuban origin... How exactly does the Treasury Dept plan on enforcing its law outside the US? Maybe they can reassign some of the extra special Secret Service agents from last weeks fiasco to hunt down the ultimate threat to America: Americans smoking Cuban cigars in foreign countries. I'm going to Cuba in two weeks...I can't smoke a cigar when I'm there? Right. The embargo is stupid.
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Posted: 12/2/2009 9:31:41 PM EDT
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WTF? http://www.treasury.gov/offices/enforcement/ofac/programs/legacy/ccigar2.pdf . The
Regulations prohibit persons subject to the jurisdiction of the United States from purchasing, transporting, importing, or otherwise dealing in or engaging in any transactions with respect to any merchandise outside the United States if such merchandise (1) is of Cuban origin... How exactly does the Treasury Dept plan on enforcing its law outside the US? Maybe they can reassign some of the extra special Secret Service agents from last weeks fiasco to hunt down the ultimate threat to America: Americans smoking Cuban cigars in foreign countries. Yes, it is technically illegal for a US citizen or company to trade, gift and/or receive Cuban made products. Is the law going to be enforced against an individual purchasing Cuban cigars overseas, chances are no. On the other hand, if a US company purchase a large quantity of Nickel (anther Cuban export) and resold to another country (company), yes, want to bet DHS will try to go after the company. BTW, the enforcement of the Cuban Embargo is done thru ICE, which is part of DHS. When you buy Cuban cigars, coffee, and rum overseas, watch out for fakes, which there are lots. BTW, you are aware we have a Humidor section with Arfcom, and you are always welcome to join us for some lively cigar and pipe discussion. |
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Posted: 12/3/2009 9:45:19 PM EDT
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Sounds like in Canada, the new law, if you do anything outside of the country, that would be illegal in the country, you can be charged for it (aimed at pedophiles, but as usual written so broadly that it can be and has been used against other issues) Go to Prague and drink some absinthe and I can now be charged theoretically, but it does feel nice that the US has the same kind of socialist laws as Canada I'm pretty sure we have had that for a while, based on people who went to other countries as mercs as a thread here told me Land of the free... |
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Posted: 12/3/2009 10:20:36 PM EDT
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Sheeee-it.... they can't even enforce the President using one as a sex toy on a fat intern in the Oval Office.
How the fuck are they going to keep anyone outside the US from smoking one? |
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Posted: 12/3/2009 10:44:11 PM EDT
[#43]
I'm pretty sure that means that no US citizen should put any money in the Cuban economy for any reason, doesn't necessarily mean that consuming Cuban goods is off the table.
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Posted: 12/3/2009 10:48:38 PM EDT
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They'll have to increase leavenworths capacity to hold just about every servicemember who has been stationed overseas
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Posted: 12/3/2009 10:51:25 PM EDT
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LOL
In Jebel Ali UAE, on the pier, AAFES had a number of vendors set up and one of those was a cigar shop selling Cubans. I had Marines trying to claim Cuban cigars on their customs forms when we were on the way into Hawaii. I told them to take them to the smoke deck and fire them up or toss them overboard, you can't claim a Cuban cigar on your customs form. I believe they were selling them at one of the vendors aboard the base in Bahrain too. |
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Posted: 12/3/2009 10:53:32 PM EDT
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Quoted: LOL In Jebel Ali UAE, on the pier, AAFES had a number of vendors set up and one of those was a cigar shop selling Cubans. I had Marines trying to claim Cuban cigars on their customs forms when we were on the way into Hawaii. I told them to take them to the smoke deck and fire them up or toss them overboard, you can't claim a Cuban cigar on your customs form. I believe they were selling them at one of the vendors aboard the base in Bahrain too. Aboard NSA, Negative. At the Tobacco Road just a block away, however... |
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Posted: 12/4/2009 3:21:29 AM EDT
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Good luck enforcing that one. No kidding. It's not enforceable inside the borders, let alone off shore. I would bet there are a couple truck loads of Cuban cigars in the US Capitol building. |
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Posted: 12/4/2009 3:35:18 AM EDT
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If you have sex with an underage prostitute out of country... This new power is just the next step in the natural progression. This isn't new. And frankly, if a citizen smokes a cuban outside the US they won't know or care. This^^. Tourist places (like Mexico) love to sell overpriced Cubans to the gringos. Customs will confiscate your Cubans at the airport, but they won't arrest you. The inspectors love to take your nice box of Montechristos home with them or re-sell them. And if uou have sex with anything underage, you are a prevert. |
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Posted: 12/4/2009 3:37:48 AM EDT
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It is a common practice in Caribbean smoke shops to offer U.S. customers an option of buying their stogies sans label or even replace the Cubano label with a house brand label.
ETA: or so I have been told 
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Posted: 12/4/2009 3:50:10 AM EDT
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I will never buy a cuban cigar from a cigar store in the US.  That's a good one.
When you find a cigar store in the US that sells real Cubans, let us know. Besides, the quality of Cuban cigars has been eclipsed by other countries years ago. In fact, when Castro was taking over, the fleeing cigar makers took a shitload of seeds with them. That is why you see some of the same cigar names inside and outside Cuba. The cultivation, curing and manufacture of quality cigars outside of Cuba is now every bit as good as the "original". The premium price you pay is because you can't have them. |
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