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Posted: 8/27/2010 11:49:45 AM EDT
Looks like STG Supply has factory built Colt MK18 10.3" uppers available...
MK18 upper In case the ad get's pulled, here is the language... WTS New Colt MK18 Barreled Upper Receiver Group $1150 ea + shipping. Includes carrying handle, flattop upper receiver, 1 in 7 10.3" chrome lined bbl, and M4 dual heat shield handguard. These are brand new from Colt. DOES NOT INCLUDE CHARGING HANDLE OR BOLT GROUP although these items are also available. Contact Greg/STG Supply @ [email protected] or call 520 568-3747. CC sales add 3%. AZ residents add 9.3% sales tax. NO TRADES PLEASE! I have no affiliation with the dealer, just passing on information. Cheers |
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Looks like they have barrels to for $495.00
MK18 Barrels WTS: New Colt MK 18 10.3" BBL assembly, 1 in 7 twist, $495 EA + shipping. 10.3" gas tube with pin add $15. These are brand new from Colt. Contact Greg/STG Supply @ [email protected] or call 520 568-3747. CC sales add 3%. AZ residents add 9.3% sales tax. Cheers |
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So............. the upper receiver, carry handle and handguards are $650 ??????????????????????????????????????? I very confused.
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Expensive indeed, however barrel is rare. Pretty weak that BCGs were removed, if that was the case.
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Prices are almost identical to SAW's. Uppers- $1150 vs. $1199 and barrels- $495 vs. $495
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For the price of the upper with no bolt carrier or charging handle misewell buy a used 6933 or spend 300$ more and get a new 6933.
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or u could do what I am thinking about doin & buy a 6920 & get it cut to 10.3 by Adco. Thats how the whole MK18 came to be as I understand it
This would be cheaper than a 6933 & these uppers. I guess if u want an authentic MK18, then this would be the way to go, but I can't justify the $$$ |
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or u could do what I am thinking about doin & buy a 6920 & get it cut to 10.3 by Adco. Thats how the whole MK18 came to be as I understand it This would be cheaper than a 6933 & these uppers. I guess if u want an authentic MK18, then this would be the way to go, but I can't justify the $$$ id go with your plan, especially then 6920's are going for 950-1300$. |
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or u could do what I am thinking about doin & buy a 6920 & get it cut to 10.3 by Adco. Thats how the whole MK18 came to be as I understand it This would be cheaper than a 6933 & these uppers. I guess if u want an authentic MK18, then this would be the way to go, but I can't justify the $$$ id go with your plan, especially then 6920's are going for 950-1300$. If i wasn't stashin' for a SCAR-17s I would've picked up a barrel. Cheers |
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What is the velocity loss with a barrel that short? Significant over a 20" barrel. People will still die when they get shot in the face with it though |
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Prices are almost identical to SAW's. Uppers- $1150 vs. $1199 and barrels- $495 vs. $495 I didn't realize SAW had them available. Are SAWs cut-downs or the real deal? Cheers |
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or u could do what I am thinking about doin & buy a 6920 & get it cut to 10.3 by Adco. Thats how the whole MK18 came to be as I understand it This would be cheaper than a 6933 & these uppers. Hardly. |
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Prices are almost identical to SAW's. Uppers- $1150 vs. $1199 and barrels- $495 vs. $495 I didn't realize SAW had them available. Are SAWs cut-downs or the real deal? Cheers supposedly real. |
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That seems is incredibly expensive. fixed it for you |
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You can put pone together for far less than that; But then again, it is a Colt.
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or u could do what I am thinking about doin & buy a 6920 & get it cut to 10.3 by Adco. Thats how the whole MK18 came to be as I understand it This would be cheaper than a 6933 & these uppers. Hardly. How so? U saying hardly to the price or the "how it came to be?" I could be wrong on the second part, but as far as the $$$ issue goes, I don't see how that could be debateable. on average the 6920's are goin for about $1,300 when this upper is just about $1,000. Only $65 from Adco to have it chopped |
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or u could do what I am thinking about doin & buy a 6920 & get it cut to 10.3 by Adco. Thats how the whole MK18 came to be as I understand it This would be cheaper than a 6933 & these uppers. Hardly. How so? U saying hardly to the price or the "how it came to be?" I could be wrong on the second part, but as far as the $$$ issue goes, I don't see how that could be debateable. on average the 6920's are goin for about $1,300 when this upper is just about $1,000. Only $65 from Adco to have it chopped Scott is most likely disagreeing with your understanding of the origin of the MK18 being from chopped 6920s. Cheers |
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You can put pone together for far less than that; But then again, it is a Colt. You can put together a factory MK18 for far less than that? How? Or did you mean to say you can cobble together something that looks like a MK18 for far less? |
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You can put pone together for far less than that; But then again, it is a Colt. You can put together a factory MK18 for far less than that? How? Or did you mean to say you can cobble together something that looks like a MK18 for far less? he likely means you can cobble together some mutt parts from non colt parts, and call it a MK18 and it will be "just as good " as a colt. minus all the quality of a colt of course |
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or u could do what I am thinking about doin & buy a 6920 & get it cut to 10.3 by Adco. Thats how the whole MK18 came to be as I understand it This would be cheaper than a 6933 & these uppers. Hardly. How so? U saying hardly to the price or the "how it came to be?" I could be wrong on the second part, but as far as the $$$ issue goes, I don't see how that could be debateable. on average the 6920's are goin for about $1,300 when this upper is just about $1,000. Only $65 from Adco to have it chopped Scott is most likely disagreeing with your understanding of the origin of the MK18 being from chopped 6920s. Cheers This. Oh and what's with everyone finally coming out from their holes while I'm gone for the weekend?!?! Nice to see people posting again. |
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or u could do what I am thinking about doin & buy a 6920 & get it cut to 10.3 by Adco. Thats how the whole MK18 came to be as I understand it This would be cheaper than a 6933 & these uppers. Hardly. How so? U saying hardly to the price or the "how it came to be?" I could be wrong on the second part, but as far as the $$$ issue goes, I don't see how that could be debateable. on average the 6920's are goin for about $1,300 when this upper is just about $1,000. Only $65 from Adco to have it chopped Scott is most likely disagreeing with your understanding of the origin of the MK18 being from chopped 6920s. Cheers This. Oh and what's with everyone finally coming out from their holes while I'm gone for the weekend?!?! Nice to see people posting again. I am a newb to Colt & SBR's, so could u please explain how the MK18 came about. Was it originaly an LMT or Colt project? I have heard of the military choping M4's, so I just asumed thats how it all started. I am wanting to make a non-official MK18. Colt 6920 cut to 10.3 with MOE stock, grip, trigger guard, handguard, & 5 slot rail section, with an Aimpoint Comp ML2 & 6P in larue mounts. Already have a larue BUIS. Kinda a Colt/ Magpul/ Larue shorty if u will |
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This powerpoint leaves some questions unanswered...and some possibly answered.
You could read it either way. www.dtic.mil/ndia/2003smallarms/john.ppt |
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or u could do what I am thinking about doin & buy a 6920 & get it cut to 10.3 by Adco. Thats how the whole MK18 came to be as I understand it This would be cheaper than a 6933 & these uppers. Hardly. How so? U saying hardly to the price or the "how it came to be?" I could be wrong on the second part, but as far as the $$$ issue goes, I don't see how that could be debateable. on average the 6920's are goin for about $1,300 when this upper is just about $1,000. Only $65 from Adco to have it chopped Scott is most likely disagreeing with your understanding of the origin of the MK18 being from chopped 6920s. Cheers This. Oh and what's with everyone finally coming out from their holes while I'm gone for the weekend?!?! Nice to see people posting again. I am a newb to Colt & SBR's, so could u please explain how the MK18 came about. Was it originaly an LMT or Colt project? I have heard of the military choping M4's, so I just asumed thats how it all started. I am wanting to make a non-official MK18. Colt 6920 cut to 10.3 with MOE stock, grip, trigger guard, handguard, & 5 slot rail section, with an Aimpoint Comp ML2 & 6P in larue mounts. Already have a larue BUIS. Kinda a Colt/ Magpul/ Larue shorty if u will the only thing that LMT had to do with it that is actually proven, is the SOPMOD stock. I have never seen proff that LMT parts where used. adn I have a feeling if they are used. it would be plastered all over LMTs website and advertisements etc etc that they are a "supplier of M16s to Naval Special warfare !!!11!!1!1" Crane started the project. they used A1 lowers and cut down colt M4 uppers. later colt started to produce them and the CQBR blah blah and all that confusion |
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the only thing that LMT had to do with it that is actually proven, is the SOPMOD stock. I have never seen proff that LMT parts where used. adn I have a feeling if they are used. it would be plastered all over LMTs website and advertisements etc etc that they are a "supplier of M16s to Naval Special warfare !!!11!!1!1" Crane started the project. they used A1 lowers and cut down colt M4 uppers. later colt started to produce them and the CQBR blah blah and all that confusion I think you're right about this. I've never actually seen anything that shows LMT provided uppers for the CQBR/Mk18. I know some units open purchased LMT 10.5" uppers, but that's not the same thing. ETA: Although, doesn't LMT also provide the fixed A2 rear BUIS now as well? |
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the only thing that LMT had to do with it that is actually proven, is the SOPMOD stock. I have never seen proff that LMT parts where used. adn I have a feeling if they are used. it would be plastered all over LMTs website and advertisements etc etc that they are a "supplier of M16s to Naval Special warfare !!!11!!1!1" Crane started the project. they used A1 lowers and cut down colt M4 uppers. later colt started to produce them and the CQBR blah blah and all that confusion I think you're right about this. I've never actually seen anything that shows LMT provided uppers for the CQBR/Mk18. I know some units open purchased LMT 10.5" uppers, but that's not the same thing. ETA: Although, doesn't LMT also provide the fixed A2 rear BUIS now as well? who knows really? it may still be cut down. actually LMT doesnt even make the SOPMOD stock, thats a KAC made item. then LMT just marketed them. that "secret" has been out of the bag for a while |
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who knows really? it may still be cut down. actually LMT doesnt even make the SOPMOD stock, thats a KAC made item. then LMT just marketed them. that "secret" has been out of the bag for a while Holy shit, just read that in the KAC Picture Thread! So here's the next question in that chain then...I remember a post by a CavArms employee once upon a time that intimated they were making the stocks for KAC for the M110, and the plastic on my SOPMOD sure does feel a lot like a CavArms C1 I've got... |
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who knows really? it may still be cut down. actually LMT doesnt even make the SOPMOD stock, thats a KAC made item. then LMT just marketed them. that "secret" has been out of the bag for a while Holy shit, just read that in the KAC Picture Thread! So here's the next question in that chain then...I remember a post by a CavArms employee once upon a time that intimated they were making the stocks for KAC for the M110, and the plastic on my SOPMOD sure does feel a lot like a CavArms C1 I've got... Sounds like my questioning has opened a flood of conspiracy |
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who knows really? it may still be cut down. actually LMT doesnt even make the SOPMOD stock, thats a KAC made item. then LMT just marketed them. that "secret" has been out of the bag for a while Holy shit, just read that in the KAC Picture Thread! So here's the next question in that chain then...I remember a post by a CavArms employee once upon a time that intimated they were making the stocks for KAC for the M110, and the plastic on my SOPMOD sure does feel a lot like a CavArms C1 I've got... actually Cav Arms is a division of Mattel |
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Enough said on the subject.
http://www.dgmarket.com/tenders/np-notice.do~5290883 Naval Surface Warfare Center (NSWC) Crane has a requirement for: QTY 270 P/N SP4046 M4CQB Barrel assy. This is sole source basis to COLT DEFENSE, LLC, 547 New Park Ave, West Hartford, CT 06110-1336. In accordance with FAR 6.302-1, it has been determined that only Colt Defense, LLC can meet the Governments' requirement. This is a sole source due to Colt Defense is the OEM of these barrels and no other source has the proprietary information.
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You cannot chop a barrel and have it come out cheaper than a real MK18 barrel.
You have to factor in the cost to buy it, cut it, rethread it, open up the gas port. Then you have to factor in the devalue you just got because you have some 3rd party aftermarket modification and are left with a $200 barrel at best when everything is done. |
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the only thing that LMT had to do with it that is actually proven, is the SOPMOD stock. I have never seen proff that LMT parts where used. adn I have a feeling if they are used. it would be plastered all over LMTs website and advertisements etc etc that they are a "supplier of M16s to Naval Special warfare !!!11!!1!1" Crane started the project. they used A1 lowers and cut down colt M4 uppers. later colt started to produce them and the CQBR blah blah and all that confusion This is correct. |
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Do any of you guys know how well the MK18 performs when suppressed and under full auto fire? Probably not recommended I would imagine...
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Do any of you guys know how well the MK18 performs when suppressed and under full auto fire? Probably not recommended I would imagine... Only one way to find out....... |
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Do any of you guys know how well the MK18 performs when suppressed and under full auto fire? Probably not recommended I would imagine... Only one way to find out....... |
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Of the 41 students in a recent SFAUC course, non experienced any malfunctions of the MK18 Mod 2 in either suppressed or automatic fire modes. My MK18 Mod 2 fired 750 rounds in two days w/o cleaning with no malfuctions.
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Do any of you guys know how well the MK18 performs when suppressed and under full auto fire? Probably not recommended I would imagine... |
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Enough said on the subject. http://www.dgmarket.com/tenders/np-notice.do~5290883 Naval Surface Warfare Center (NSWC) Crane has a requirement for: QTY 270 P/N SP4046 M4CQB Barrel assy. This is sole source basis to COLT DEFENSE, LLC, 547 New Park Ave, West Hartford, CT 06110-1336. In accordance with FAR 6.302-1, it has been determined that only Colt Defense, LLC can meet the Governments' requirement. This is a sole source due to Colt Defense is the OEM of these barrels and no other source has the proprietary information.
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Of the 41 students in a recent SFAUC course, non experienced any malfunctions of the MK18 Mod 2 in either suppressed or automatic fire modes. My MK18 Mod 2 fired 750 rounds in two days w/o cleaning with no malfuctions. 18Z50 Quoted:
Do any of you guys know how well the MK18 performs when suppressed and under full auto fire? Probably not recommended I would imagine... This is about the best endorsement of the Mk18 I think we can get. Thanks for the gouge 18Z50. |
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Looks like the U.S. Coast Guard will be purchasing a bunch of MK18 barrels for replacement.
https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=27e5524e742783474df6168a410f08fe&tab=core&tabmode=list&= |
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Actually LMT and DD are currently the primary suppliers of MK18 UPPERS to Crane. Colt is used on an as needed basis. The link above is for only 270 barrels. I know I'm just a dude on the internet so believe what you want.
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Actually LMT and DD are currently the primary suppliers of MK18 UPPERS to Crane. Colt is used on an as needed basis. The link above is for only 270 barrels. I know I'm just a dude on the internet so believe what you want. I guess "This is a sole source due to Colt Defense is the OEM of these barrels and no other source has the proprietary information." is just too confusing for you isn't it. |
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Actually LMT and DD are currently the primary suppliers of MK18 UPPERS to Crane. Colt is used on an as needed basis. The link above is for only 270 barrels. I know I'm just a dude on the internet so believe what you want. I guess "This is a sole source due to Colt Defense is the OEM of these barrels and no other source has the proprietary information." is just too confusing for you isn't it. It's not dude. Don't be rude you know nothing about me. If you want to disagree do so but do it in a respectful way. I made a few calls early today and confirmed my info. You don;t have to believe me. I'm putting out info that was passed along to me by folks who would know. The RFP is for 270 barrels nothing more. I will quote my source: "Colt sometimes will make a run but Crame's primary contract is with DD and LMT...Colt is a sub to them (DD and LMT) when they can't make the sustainment numbers..." YMMV |
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Actually LMT and DD are currently the primary suppliers of MK18 UPPERS to Crane. Colt is used on an as needed basis. The link above is for only 270 barrels. I know I'm just a dude on the internet so believe what you want. I guess "This is a sole source due to Colt Defense is the OEM of these barrels and no other source has the proprietary information." is just too confusing for you isn't it. It's not dude. Don't be rude you know nothing about me. If you want to disagree do so but do it in a respectful way. I made a few calls early today and confirmed my info. You don;t have to believe me. I'm putting out info that was passed along to me by folks who would know. The RFP is for 270 barrels nothing more. I will quote my source: "Colt sometimes will make a run but Crame's primary contract is with DD and LMT...Colt is a sub to them (DD and LMT) when they can't make the sustainment numbers..." YMMV And who are these "folks who would know"? If you make claims like this, you need to source it a little better I think... |
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I've been a skeptic of LMT providing uppers for the MK18 and CQBR for a while, so I just spent a few minutes scouring The Gun Zone's 5.56mm Timeline by Daniel Watters, pages from 2000-2009 (his latest update is 2009). You can find it here. This is a nice clearing house of info and the author uses actual contracts and solicitations to document it.
With the exception of 140 10.5" barrels for NSWDG in July 2006, ALL of LMT's contracts are for rear sights, SOPMOD buttstocks, and M203 variants and parts. None for CQBR uppers. Daniel Defense shows up in March 2005 with the RIS II development contracts from Crane. They won that downselect in 2006 and were awarded their first delivery order from Crane for the RIS II in March 2007, a second in June, and a third in July. In 2008, DD received another delivery orders from Crane for the RIS II in June, but then in July 2008 received a $329,516.52 delivery order from Crane for assembled Upper Receiver Groups (no further info on what this means- but it is reminiscent of a post made by Dave Pennington on TOS that Crane sends Colt barrels to DD who then assembles them into complete uppers with the RIS II installed). Also in September of 2008, Crane issued a delivery order on behalf of USASOC for more RIS IIs from DD. There is no mention of DD in 2009, but the author really hasn't updated that year or this year. Meanwhile, in June 2006 Crane issues a sole source solicitation to Colt for 100-10,000 each M4A1 with CQBR upper recievers and individual upper receivers. This is revied by Crane in August 2006 to comprise M4A1, Mk 18 Mod 0 CQBR, and uppers for both, with contract funding ranging from $100k to $10 million. In September 2006 the contract is awarded to Colt for $10 million, and this is followed by numerous delivery orders from Crane to Colt for Mk18s and CQRB upper receivers (as well as the M4A1s) well into 2008. Previously, in Feb 2004 Colt received a sole source soliciation notice from Crane for 100 CQBRs, in May 2004 Crane issued a sole source solicitation to Colt for 500-2000 M4A1s equppied with CQBR uppers, and an additional 500-5000 CQBR uppers. What I take away from all this is we know Crane made the first Mk18s by chopping 14.5" M4s down to 10.3". By 2004 it seems clear they decided it was more cost effective to order them made that way from Colt. Once DD started supplying the RIS II, perhaps Crane decided it was also easier to send DD the barrels and uppers and have DD do the assembly for them. But, other than a one time of barrels for NSWDG, LMTs contribution to the Mk18/CQBR seems to be rear sights, SOPMOD buttstocks, and the 9" barreled M203s. WIll be interested to see what other info becomes available when Watters updates his timeline for 2009 and this year. |
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Actually LMT and DD are currently the primary suppliers of MK18 UPPERS to Crane. Colt is used on an as needed basis. The link above is for only 270 barrels. I know I'm just a dude on the internet so believe what you want. I guess "This is a sole source due to Colt Defense is the OEM of these barrels and no other source has the proprietary information." is just too confusing for you isn't it. It's not dude. Don't be rude you know nothing about me. If you want to disagree do so but do it in a respectful way. I made a few calls early today and confirmed my info. You don;t have to believe me. I'm putting out info that was passed along to me by folks who would know. The RFP is for 270 barrels nothing more. I will quote my source: "Colt sometimes will make a run but Crame's primary contract is with DD and LMT...Colt is a sub to them (DD and LMT) when they can't make the sustainment numbers..." YMMV oh well in that case, a statement from a place none of us know, and you give us no info or of any proof other than "some guys in the know" who know more then a couple of guys in this thread who actually are closer to the subject then you know or would believe tell you differnt..... well thats good enough for me. LMT is the maker |
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Actually LMT and DD are currently the primary suppliers of MK18 UPPERS to Crane. Colt is used on an as needed basis. The link above is for only 270 barrels. I know I'm just a dude on the internet so believe what you want. I guess "This is a sole source due to Colt Defense is the OEM of these barrels and no other source has the proprietary information." is just too confusing for you isn't it. It's not dude. Don't be rude you know nothing about me. If you want to disagree do so but do it in a respectful way. I made a few calls early today and confirmed my info. You don;t have to believe me. I'm putting out info that was passed along to me by folks who would know. The RFP is for 270 barrels nothing more. I will quote my source: "Colt sometimes will make a run but Crame's primary contract is with DD and LMT...Colt is a sub to them (DD and LMT) when they can't make the sustainment numbers..." YMMV oh well in that case, a statement from a place none of us know, and you give us no info or of any proof other than "some guys in the know" who know more then a couple of guys in this thread who actually are closer to the subject then you know or would believe tell you differnt..... well thats good enough for me. LMT is the maker Like I said YMMV, I cannot give you much more than this. Choose not to believe it. It's OK with me really. I talked to my friend (very close) again this AM about this thread. He has been involved in the CQB-R program since it's inception. He works directly with Crane on many projects. He is currently in a Special Missions Unit and says his unit has 150+ LMT MK18 uppers in their armory. I understand you have no reason to believe it, but that doesn't make it untrue. I've been on this site for a long time and my record shows I'm a straight shooter. I'm not making this shit up. The other guys "in the know" should feel free to contact me off line because if they're that much 'in the know" they will know my friend. Maybe I can put them together and see who is correct. Like I said, I understand you maybe skeptical but I don't appreciate the sarcasm. Agree to disagree. |
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Actually LMT and DD are currently the primary suppliers of MK18 UPPERS to Crane. Colt is used on an as needed basis. The link above is for only 270 barrels. I know I'm just a dude on the internet so believe what you want. I guess "This is a sole source due to Colt Defense is the OEM of these barrels and no other source has the proprietary information." is just too confusing for you isn't it. It's not dude. Don't be rude you know nothing about me. If you want to disagree do so but do it in a respectful way. I made a few calls early today and confirmed my info. You don;t have to believe me. I'm putting out info that was passed along to me by folks who would know. The RFP is for 270 barrels nothing more. I will quote my source: "Colt sometimes will make a run but Crame's primary contract is with DD and LMT...Colt is a sub to them (DD and LMT) when they can't make the sustainment numbers..." YMMV oh well in that case, a statement from a place none of us know, and you give us no info or of any proof other than "some guys in the know" who know more then a couple of guys in this thread who actually are closer to the subject then you know or would believe tell you differnt..... well thats good enough for me. LMT is the maker Like I said YMMV, I cannot give you much more than this. Choose not to believe it. It's OK with me really. I talked to my friend (very close) again this AM about this thread. He has been involved in the CQB-R program since it's inception. He works directly with Crane on many projects. He is currently in a Special Missions Unit and says his unit has 150+ LMT MK18 uppers in their armory. I understand you have no reason to believe it, but that doesn't make it untrue. I've been on this site for a long time and my record shows I'm a straight shooter. I'm not making this shit up. The other guys "in the know" should feel free to contact me off line because if they're that much 'in the know" they will know my friend. Maybe I can put them together and see who is correct. Like I said, I understand you maybe skeptical but I don't appreciate the sarcasm. Agree to disagree. let me be a little more clear Its not that I doubt you or think you are a liar. But I have seen military guys "in the know": that wouldnt know a LMT from a hesse. often they dont know or care. and some guys that are real badasses sometimes say stuff about guns that is either impossible. never happened. or does not exist. I can think of several cases off ther top of my head. just like a sniper calling him DMR M16a4 a M4.. if LMT made real MK18 uppers. they would have a full page add in every gun rag out every month telling everyone, just like with their new British contract. no gun company ever misses a chance to tell everyone about their gov contract. especially if it was for making guns for the super duper navy seals. abother guy on arfcom swore in the Mk18 thread he saw LMT uppers. they didnt come in a LMT box, he saw no paperwork or any LMT markings, but "he coulds just tell" by feel or some other BS way that it was LMT despite the MOST knowledgeable preon on the subject telling him it just wasnt so. he kept up the argument andf looking foolish to those who knew who he was arguing with. Mil guys are great but sometimes just cause they say something doesnt make it true or even close to accurate when it comes to technical details. I have no doubt you believe what you posted is true. but nothing supports this and there is no reason why it would be kept secret |
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