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Posted: 5/9/2012 12:18:57 PM EDT
I just ordered one of the M4 Madness uppers, and I am wondering who makes their barrels?
Also what about the stripped uppers? Information can be found here: M4 Madness Upper (no BCG/CH) |
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FN/mossberg have been making majority of their barrels. FN/Mossberg? Like Mossberg the hunting arms maker? And how do I know which is which when the upper arrives? Can we get a PSA agent to give an answer on how to tell the difference? |
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I placed an order for this stripped upper on 5/1. I was assurred by Brian, the CSR at PSA, that it was in fact an FN barrel on 5/2 when I called.
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My dissy rifle kit is scheduled for delivery today and I have been considering a m4 madness upper. Theseare not hammer forged correct? Is FN also supplying the standard barrels as well?
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i havent bought one of the m4 299 uppers because im very cautious to buy anything that does not have where the parts came from listed...
its like a mystery upper. it should be stated clearly in the description. but its not. CS still has not replied to this thread and others have asked similar questions about where parts come from (like BCGs, some are marked with the specs they claim and some aren't). It seems like a mystery parts upper and i dont want to buy something that i think is and find out it isnt. its like theyve got something to hide. this isn't a PSA hate post because i buy all my ammo, targets, and various parts from them. please CS, chime in. |
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IIRC, PSA has stated before that all of their chrome lined barrels (hammer forged or not) are made by FN and the non-chrome lined barrels are made by Wilson.
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i havent bought one of the m4 299 uppers because im very cautious to buy anything that does not have where the parts came from listed... its like a mystery upper. it should be stated clearly in the description. but its not. CS still has not replied to this thread and others have asked similar questions about where parts come from (like BCGs, some are marked with the specs they claim and some aren't). It seems like a mystery parts upper and i dont want to buy something that i think is and find out it isnt. its like theyve got something to hide. this isn't a PSA hate post because i buy all my ammo, targets, and various parts from them. please CS, chime in. You do know that most places don't say where all the parts come from, just that it has this spec or that spec. If you can find me a place that does list where everything comes from it'll be the first I have seen. I know the barrel on the upper I got was from FN(has the FN stamp on it), but I'm not sure about all the new ones. They have stated that all parts are made in the USA by US citizens....so that right there is enough for me. |
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At one time the MP/HPT barrels were all FN and the lead lapped were Wilson. Some of those lead lapped were chrome lined. Now it seems like most (all?) of their chrome lined barrels say MPI or HPT or both.
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well, i've been holding off for a 20........... 20 for 300? i cant pass it up.
made in america is good enough for me now too..maybe i would love to see the PSA CS rep post on this and state where the barrel is being made. |
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Interesting.
One has to wonder, who makes the barrels. And we can be assured that they are watching this thread and others like it. Question is, why hide who makes the barrel? I have a Noveske N4, and let me tell you, they are NOT shy about their custom barrels. For that matter, neither is Stag, or any other maker. They mention where the barrels come from. So, why does PSA not do so? |
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Interesting. One has to wonder, who makes the barrels. And we can be assured that they are watching this thread and others like it. Question is, why hide who makes the barrel? I have a Noveske N4, and let me tell you, they are NOT shy about their custom barrels. For that matter, neither is Stag, or any other maker. They mention where the barrels come from. So, why does PSA not do so? Actually, I don't know where most of my barrels come from. If you know let me know, as they are not listed on the web page. This would include Bravo 16" middy, Bushy Dissy(circa mid 90's), ArmaLite 15(T), LE carbine, & AR10, and CMMG. The ones that I know are my Sabre, RR, and my FN marked PSA. |
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At one time the MP/HPT barrels were all FN and the lead lapped were Wilson. Some of those lead lapped were chrome lined. Now it seems like most (all?) of their chrome lined barrels say MPI or HPT or both. I just got a 14.7 CMV Chrome lined upper that only says: 5.56 NATO 1/7 CL PALMETTO I don't see MPI/HPT on the barrel anywhere. I also got the bolt that was unmarked except the logo too. |
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At one time the MP/HPT barrels were all FN and the lead lapped were Wilson. Some of those lead lapped were chrome lined. Now it seems like most (all?) of their chrome lined barrels say MPI or HPT or both. I just got a 14.7 CMV Chrome lined upper that only says: 5.56 NATO 1/7 CL PALMETTO I don't see MPI/HPT on the barrel anywhere. I also got the bolt that was unmarked except the logo too. Interesting. I will update with what my upper has on it as well. It is a fun/backup rifle so I am not too worried. Just more or less curious. |
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i totally want to order a couple barrels from PSA (credit card is standing by), but i'm not going to until i find out whose barrels they are
the ones i want are probably wilsons, but most people who sell barrels state if they are from wilson. i'm not going to chance getting some bullshit, fly-by-night barrel company |
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At one time the MP/HPT barrels were all FN and the lead lapped were Wilson. Some of those lead lapped were chrome lined. Now it seems like most (all?) of their chrome lined barrels say MPI or HPT or both. I just got a 14.7 CMV Chrome lined upper that only says: 5.56 NATO 1/7 CL PALMETTO I don't see MPI/HPT on the barrel anywhere. I also got the bolt that was unmarked except the logo too. Look near the base of the barrel near the barrel nut. There will be a proof mark and "M" stamp. If not, please call CS. All of our barrels are as described. All of the HP/MP barrels are made to mil-specs in the US by Americans. |
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I have bought 4 Palmetto uppers. The first 3 uppers had the Anchor forging mark on them. The latest has the square like Colt uses. So they are apparently getting uppers from multiple sources now.
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anyone who does not actually produce the barrels is going to be very hesitant to give their supplier out. it works this way in most industries unless you are specifically promoting a name brand. we generally do not give out the names of our suppliers either, and we would rather tell our largest customer to fuck off than give the names of our suppliers out because they will go around us. in this case, i dont think one guy is going to go around PSA to FN, but it is in their best interest to not give that info out.
with that said, why in the blue hell do you still have no BCG's in stock? this is getting ridiculous psa... still wont place an order with you guys until you can have some decent parts in stock. |
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At one time the MP/HPT barrels were all FN and the lead lapped were Wilson. Some of those lead lapped were chrome lined. Now it seems like most (all?) of their chrome lined barrels say MPI or HPT or both. I just got a 14.7 CMV Chrome lined upper that only says: 5.56 NATO 1/7 CL PALMETTO I don't see MPI/HPT on the barrel anywhere. I also got the bolt that was unmarked except the logo too. I received my pinned 14.7 CMV mid length today .... this is the lighter weight non hammer forged model. The barrel is marked in 2 lines: 5.56 NATO 1/7 CL MP PSA The bolt is marked "M" The bolt on the hammer forged dissipator upper I got 2 weeks ago is marked "MP" I wonder what the difference between M and MP is ???? Both uppers have the A/H forge mark. The feed ramps on both line up perfectly, not going to get them any better. No canted sights on either, not even slightly. Nice job pinning the flash hider .... ground smooth to blend in but not so much as to remove any of the actual muzzle device profile. Good job on both of these PSA .... Thank you. |
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Yeah my pinned flash hider looks as good as you could have it and still be able to tell it is pinned. It also zeroed dead center with an LMT rear sight.
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I recently had an email conversation with PSA. They know some barrels are NOT marked MP and they don't plan to do anything about it. Sounds like BS to me.
Mr. XXXXXXXXX, They are MP tested from the factory, unfortunately the last batch that we received are not roll marked as MP tested, but I would like to ensure you that they actually are. Unfortunately the only way to prove that they are at this point is to forward you the spec sheet of our barrels, but that is proprietary information that I am not allowed to give out. I am sorry for the answer since I am sure it is frustrating. But it is indeed MP tested. Thank you for your business, "Bane" Jason Bane Palmetto State Armory, LLC 200 Business Park Blvd. Columbia, South Carolina 29203 Office: (803) 788-9095 Fax: (803) 788-5756 Email: [email protected] ––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––- From: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 6:34 PM To: Sales Subject: Re: Palmetto State Armory: New Order # 100XXXXXX Hello, I recently received these two uppers and they look good. One concern - the description on your website clearly states these barrels are MP tested however I see no proof mark on the actual barrels. Could you please verify that these were MP tested? Info from the website... http://palmettostatearmory.com/index.php/ar-15-05/complete-uppers/psa-16-mid-length-chrome-lined-upper.html Barrel length 16" MP tested barrel 5.56 Nato Chamber Chrome-lined bore and chamber Lead lapped bore 1 in 7" twist Special A2 profile barrel .750" gas block diameter M4 feedramps Forged upper T-marks Full auto bolt carrier Carpenter 158 Bolt Magnetic particle inspected bolt |
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well, i've been holding off for a 20........... 20 for 300? i cant pass it up. made in america is good enough for me now too..maybe i would love to see the PSA CS rep post on this and state where the barrel is being made. I can't speak for the current 20" barrels but the 20" CL govmt profile barrel i got on a upper 5 months back was MPI/HPT and stamped "FN" for what it's worth. |
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I recently had an email conversation with PSA. They know some barrels are NOT marked MP and they don't plan to do anything about it. Sounds like BS to me. Mr. XXXXXXXXX, They are MP tested from the factory, unfortunately the last batch that we received are not roll marked as MP tested, but I would like to ensure you that they actually are. Unfortunately the only way to prove that they are at this point is to forward you the spec sheet of our barrels, but that is proprietary information that I am not allowed to give out. I am sorry for the answer since I am sure it is frustrating. But it is indeed MP tested. Thank you for your business, "Bane" Jason Bane Palmetto State Armory, LLC 200 Business Park Blvd. Columbia, South Carolina 29203 Office: (803) 788-9095 Fax: (803) 788-5756 Email: [email protected] ––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––- From: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 6:34 PM To: Sales Subject: Re: Palmetto State Armory: New Order # 100XXXXXX Hello, I recently received these two uppers and they look good. One concern - the description on your website clearly states these barrels are MP tested however I see no proof mark on the actual barrels. Could you please verify that these were MP tested? Info from the website... http://palmettostatearmory.com/index.php/ar-15-05/complete-uppers/psa-16-mid-length-chrome-lined-upper.html Barrel length 16" MP tested barrel 5.56 Nato Chamber Chrome-lined bore and chamber Lead lapped bore 1 in 7" twist Special A2 profile barrel .750" gas block diameter M4 feedramps Forged upper T-marks Full auto bolt carrier Carpenter 158 Bolt Magnetic particle inspected bolt That is very frustrating. The barrel and BGC were both unmarked. I'll try to contact CS again in the morning and see what they say. If I took everyone's word on it, I would have 10 of Hitler's personal Lugers that I found at gunshows . |
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All of our barrels are as described. All of the HP/MP barrels are made to mil-specs in the US by Americans. I get the "American pride in buying American", but I had a truck that was made "in the US by Americans" and it was the biggest piece of shit ever, but my little "Jap" truck has never had a single problem, so I take "made in america" with a grain of salt. Quoted:
That is very frustrating. The barrel and BGC were both unmarked. I'll try to contact CS again in the morning and see what they say. If I took everyone's word on it, I would have 10 of Hitler's personal Lugers that I found at gunshows . LMAO! If you could take people at their word......then I have $20 Million to claim from a Nigerian Prince that needs my help with a transaction. |
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Mr. Jeeps,
One of our manufacturers does not mark their barrels as to their production processes, but they do lead lap their bores for accuracy. They make a fine barrel, and we have no problem offering a lifetime warranty. If you are unsatisfied with your purchase, please email CS in the morning and we will swap it out for a barrel from a different manufacturer that has marks. Quoted:
I recently had an email conversation with PSA. They know some barrels are NOT marked MP and they don't plan to do anything about it. Sounds like BS to me. Mr. XXXXXXXXX, They are MP tested from the factory, unfortunately the last batch that we received are not roll marked as MP tested, but I would like to ensure you that they actually are. Unfortunately the only way to prove that they are at this point is to forward you the spec sheet of our barrels, but that is proprietary information that I am not allowed to give out. I am sorry for the answer since I am sure it is frustrating. But it is indeed MP tested. Thank you for your business, "Bane" Jason Bane Palmetto State Armory, LLC 200 Business Park Blvd. Columbia, South Carolina 29203 Office: (803) 788-9095 Fax: (803) 788-5756 Email: [email protected] ––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––- From: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 6:34 PM To: Sales Subject: Re: Palmetto State Armory: New Order # 100XXXXXX Hello, I recently received these two uppers and they look good. One concern - the description on your website clearly states these barrels are MP tested however I see no proof mark on the actual barrels. Could you please verify that these were MP tested? Info from the website... http://palmettostatearmory.com/index.php/ar-15-05/complete-uppers/psa-16-mid-length-chrome-lined-upper.html Barrel length 16" MP tested barrel 5.56 Nato Chamber Chrome-lined bore and chamber Lead lapped bore 1 in 7" twist Special A2 profile barrel .750" gas block diameter M4 feedramps Forged upper T-marks Full auto bolt carrier Carpenter 158 Bolt Magnetic particle inspected bolt |
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That is very frustrating. The barrel and BGC were both unmarked. I'll try to contact CS again in the morning and see what they say. If I took everyone's word on it, I would have 10 of Hitler's personal Lugers that I found at gunshows .[/quote] flip side is that just because it has a marking on it makes it actually tested? i would take their word over a simple marking on my barrel/BCG. also, what do you expect to accomplish with contacting CS? someone already has and that is the answer they received. are you hoping to get more info? its proprietary....so what else is there to get? |
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That is very frustrating. The barrel and BGC were both unmarked. I'll try to contact CS again in the morning and see what they say. If I took everyone's word on it, I would have 10 of Hitler's personal Lugers that I found at gunshows . View Quote flip side is that just because it has a marking on it makes it actually tested? i would take their word over a simple marking on my barrel/BCG. also, what do you expect to accomplish with contacting CS? someone already has and that is the answer they received. are you hoping to get more info? its proprietary....so what else is there to get? View Quote Look near the base of the barrel near the barrel nut. There will be a proof mark and "M" stamp. If not, please call CS. View Quote They told me to contact them. |
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Interesting turn that my thread has taken.
PSA, I have a question then. Why advertise as it being something, when it is not marked? Wouldn't it be better to not advertise it as such? Or give proof of some kind officially? Because in a way, it would be like selling a V8 mustang (advertised) but the buyer just bought a v6 and didnt know it. Not quite misleading, but not quite honest either. Best bet might be to mention that in the ad, thats all. |
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Interesting turn that my thread has taken. PSA, I have a question then. Why advertise as it being something, when it is not marked? Wouldn't it be better to not advertise it as such? Or give proof of some kind officially? Because in a way, it would be like selling a V8 mustang (advertised) but the buyer just bought a v6 and didnt know it. Not quite misleading, but not quite honest either. Best bet might be to mention that in the ad, thats all. Apples and Oranges. If parts were marked with every spec, there would be a laundry list on the part. What does advertising a V8 and selling them a V6 have anything to do with this thread? They never advertised that they are MP marked, website states they are MP tested. |
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Interesting turn that my thread has taken. PSA, I have a question then. Why advertise as it being something, when it is not marked? Wouldn't it be better to not advertise it as such? Or give proof of some kind officially? Because in a way, it would be like selling a V8 mustang (advertised) but the buyer just bought a v6 and didnt know it. Not quite misleading, but not quite honest either. Best bet might be to mention that in the ad, thats all. Apples and Oranges. If parts were marked with every spec, there would be a laundry list on the part. What does advertising a V8 and selling them a V6 have anything to do with this thread? They never advertised that they are MP marked, website states they are MP tested. If it is tested, it should be marked. If not tested, not marked. Not having said mark leads one to believe that whlie it is claimed to be tested, it cannot be verfied (as there is not proof mark.) |
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Interesting turn that my thread has taken. PSA, I have a question then. Why advertise as it being something, when it is not marked? Wouldn't it be better to not advertise it as such? Or give proof of some kind officially? Because in a way, it would be like selling a V8 mustang (advertised) but the buyer just bought a v6 and didnt know it. Not quite misleading, but not quite honest either. Best bet might be to mention that in the ad, thats all. Apples and Oranges. If parts were marked with every spec, there would be a laundry list on the part. What does advertising a V8 and selling them a V6 have anything to do with this thread? They never advertised that they are MP marked, website states they are MP tested. If it is tested, it should be marked. If not tested, not marked. Not having said mark leads one to believe that whlie it is claimed to be tested, it cannot be verfied (as there is not proof mark.) This post makes a lot more sense without the Mustang V8 rambling. I can see where the confusion might arise. I've had DD BCGs that weren't marked either, when they were indeed MP tested. It happens. |
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Interesting turn that my thread has taken. PSA, I have a question then. Why advertise as it being something, when it is not marked? Wouldn't it be better to not advertise it as such? Or give proof of some kind officially? Because in a way, it would be like selling a V8 mustang (advertised) but the buyer just bought a v6 and didnt know it. Not quite misleading, but not quite honest either. Best bet might be to mention that in the ad, thats all. Apples and Oranges. If parts were marked with every spec, there would be a laundry list on the part. What does advertising a V8 and selling them a V6 have anything to do with this thread? They never advertised that they are MP marked, website states they are MP tested. If it is tested, it should be marked. If not tested, not marked. Not having said mark leads one to believe that whlie it is claimed to be tested, it cannot be verfied (as there is not proof mark.) This post makes a lot more sense without the Mustang V8 rambling. I can see where the confusion might arise. I've had DD BCGs that weren't marked either, when they were indeed MP tested. It happens. On the flip side, a part could be marked MP or whatever even though it was not tested if the vender is unscrupulous. You either trust the vender or you don't. |
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Interesting turn that my thread has taken. PSA, I have a question then. Why advertise as it being something, when it is not marked? Wouldn't it be better to not advertise it as such? Or give proof of some kind officially? Because in a way, it would be like selling a V8 mustang (advertised) but the buyer just bought a v6 and didnt know it. Not quite misleading, but not quite honest either. Best bet might be to mention that in the ad, thats all. Apples and Oranges. If parts were marked with every spec, there would be a laundry list on the part. What does advertising a V8 and selling them a V6 have anything to do with this thread? They never advertised that they are MP marked, website states they are MP tested. If it is tested, it should be marked. If not tested, not marked. Not having said mark leads one to believe that whlie it is claimed to be tested, it cannot be verfied (as there is not proof mark.) This post makes a lot more sense without the Mustang V8 rambling. I can see where the confusion might arise. I've had DD BCGs that weren't marked either, when they were indeed MP tested. It happens. On the flip side, a part could be marked MP or whatever even though it was not tested if the vender is unscrupulous. You either trust the vender or you don't And finally someone with common sense posts. There are several of these "my shit isn't marked" posts. Be sure to hit the other ones too. For those not happy, THIS will solve your problem. That, or there's a laser engraver about 200 ft from my desk at work. |
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An excellent point, Of course, I can get a hell of a good look at a T-Bone steak by sticking my head up a bull's ass, but I'd rather take the butcher's word for it.(Tommy Callahagn) Shoot it, see how it performs and make the decision to drink or not to drink the PSAid. From the research that I have compiled, every time PSA has been questioned about their integrity, which is exactly what some are doing here, they have proven to be a reputable company. And in a way that was much more professional than I would have handled it. Not saying that everything they do is perfect but they have made right all the issues I have ever had with them.
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And finally someone with common sense posts. There are several of these "my shit isn't marked" posts. Be sure to hit the other ones too. For those not happy, THIS will solve your problem. That, or there's a laser engraver about 200 ft from my desk at work. given the severity of that kind of fraud and that the engraving would take additional effort, anyway - might as well just MPI them, anyway. not toooo worried about a company taking big risk for a minimal gain. |
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My bolt is an lmt...but it doesn't say lmt. Should I question lmt of the legitimacy of this bolt?
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