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During Panama invasion, Marine FAST had Colt 9mm SMG’s.
I’ve never seen Colt 9mm SMG is SF outside the schoolhouse. 18Z50 |
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Originally Posted By 2147Mech: ... and the aftermarket small parts market was a lot smaller too. It's almost too easy to build whatever you want now! I wanted to thank H&R and PSA for what they're doing for the notoriously picky and hard to please retro community, and ushering in what I consider a golden era for cloning. Just bravo, seriously. View Quote Totally Agree !!! Considering Brownells short-lived foray into the clone market, we are fortunate to have H&R and PSA leading the way. |
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The voices in my head say I’m just being paranoid
KY, USA
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Nobody on my ignore list, must just be the glitch.
It’s gone with the page change |
If you aren't representing Jesus in a way that makes people want to hang out with you, you're doing it wrong.
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Any updates on the car brace? Last I heard was the end of March.
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Mike, question:
Can you talk to the folks at PSA and explain that if they offer two versions of an M16A1 stock, it’d be nice if they included the requisite M16A1 length buffer tube screw with the dang stocks. I mean, they sell complete guns and lowers that are assembled, so they have the screw. Charge me $5 more and include the screw with the stock so I don’t have to source from elsewhere a $5 screw that PSA literally has on hand. It’s insane. I admittedly missed the fine print in the M16A1 stock listing (trap) and here I am, screwless, spending money at not-PSA because of the refusals of folks to think through the concept that that screw is entirely necessary, but not easy to come by. Thanks! |
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Originally Posted By Akin: Heresy? Didn’t the Colt 9mm AR essentially replace the MP5 with, well, nearly everyone? Until 9mm SMGs were simply replaced by SBRs altogether? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Akin: Originally Posted By cyclone: No, that's not helping either.......but I got a chance to fire an F/A Colt Subgun in Vegas and at the risk of being accused of heresy, I liked it better than the MP5 Heresy? Didn’t the Colt 9mm AR essentially replace the MP5 with, well, nearly everyone? Until 9mm SMGs were simply replaced by SBRs altogether? The only reason Colt SMGs were popular in U.S. LE is because colts were a shitload cheaper than MP5s and the requisite armorer schools and maintenance thereof were also substantially cheaper. The mags really suck, the recoil sucks, the size and weight suck comparatively, and they were pretty much subpar in every category to an MP5 except cost. But here I am rolling Pennie’s saving to get a 635 like an idiot because dammit they’re cool. |
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Originally Posted By 21BoomCBTENGR: The only reason Colt SMGs were popular in U.S. LE is because colts were a shitload cheaper than MP5s and the requisite armorer schools and maintenance thereof were also substantially cheaper. The mags really suck, the recoil sucks, the size and weight suck comparatively, and they were pretty much subpar in every category to an MP5 except cost. But here I am rolling Pennie’s saving to get a 635 like an idiot because dammit they’re cool. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By 21BoomCBTENGR: Originally Posted By Akin: Originally Posted By cyclone: No, that's not helping either.......but I got a chance to fire an F/A Colt Subgun in Vegas and at the risk of being accused of heresy, I liked it better than the MP5 Heresy? Didn’t the Colt 9mm AR essentially replace the MP5 with, well, nearly everyone? Until 9mm SMGs were simply replaced by SBRs altogether? The only reason Colt SMGs were popular in U.S. LE is because colts were a shitload cheaper than MP5s and the requisite armorer schools and maintenance thereof were also substantially cheaper. The mags really suck, the recoil sucks, the size and weight suck comparatively, and they were pretty much subpar in every category to an MP5 except cost. But here I am rolling Pennie’s saving to get a 635 like an idiot because dammit they’re cool. What is wrong with the mags ? I have heard the recoil sucks with the huge buffer tube slamming back vs Mp5 system. |
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Originally Posted By wyomingnick: What is wrong with the mags ? I have heard the recoil sucks with the huge buffer tube slamming back vs Mp5 system. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By wyomingnick: Originally Posted By 21BoomCBTENGR: Originally Posted By Akin: Originally Posted By cyclone: No, that's not helping either.......but I got a chance to fire an F/A Colt Subgun in Vegas and at the risk of being accused of heresy, I liked it better than the MP5 Heresy? Didn’t the Colt 9mm AR essentially replace the MP5 with, well, nearly everyone? Until 9mm SMGs were simply replaced by SBRs altogether? The only reason Colt SMGs were popular in U.S. LE is because colts were a shitload cheaper than MP5s and the requisite armorer schools and maintenance thereof were also substantially cheaper. The mags really suck, the recoil sucks, the size and weight suck comparatively, and they were pretty much subpar in every category to an MP5 except cost. But here I am rolling Pennie’s saving to get a 635 like an idiot because dammit they’re cool. What is wrong with the mags ? I have heard the recoil sucks with the huge buffer tube slamming back vs Mp5 system. It's an Uzi mag w/ an AR mag catch slot cut. There's nothing wrong w/ the mags. They're straight b/c the UZI magwell required straight mags. He just doesn't like the Colt system. |
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Originally Posted By wyomingnick: What is wrong with the mags ? I have heard the recoil sucks with the huge buffer tube slamming back vs Mp5 system. View Quote 9mm ammo has just enough taper that sometimes long, straight magazines can cause malfunctions if the magazine spring is weak. It’s just a thing, not a real common problem, at least not that I’m aware of, but a consideration. |
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Originally Posted By wyomingnick: What is wrong with the mags ? I have heard the recoil sucks with the huge buffer tube slamming back vs Mp5 system. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By wyomingnick: Originally Posted By 21BoomCBTENGR: Originally Posted By Akin: Originally Posted By cyclone: No, that's not helping either.......but I got a chance to fire an F/A Colt Subgun in Vegas and at the risk of being accused of heresy, I liked it better than the MP5 Heresy? Didn’t the Colt 9mm AR essentially replace the MP5 with, well, nearly everyone? Until 9mm SMGs were simply replaced by SBRs altogether? The only reason Colt SMGs were popular in U.S. LE is because colts were a shitload cheaper than MP5s and the requisite armorer schools and maintenance thereof were also substantially cheaper. The mags really suck, the recoil sucks, the size and weight suck comparatively, and they were pretty much subpar in every category to an MP5 except cost. But here I am rolling Pennie’s saving to get a 635 like an idiot because dammit they’re cool. What is wrong with the mags ? I have heard the recoil sucks with the huge buffer tube slamming back vs Mp5 system. Honestly, I had no issue with the recoil..............sure, its different than the MP5, but I didnt find it bad at all |
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"The villainy you teach me, I will execute, and it shall go hard but I will better the instruction"
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We are living in a Tom Clancy novel
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Cool!!! Will it have an unpinned 14.5” barrel?
Sorry, I couldn’t resist. Just kidding!!! |
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Originally Posted By seand1111: Send a moderator with grenade ring and the 11.5” barrel to JT. IRRC, he has a spacer that can make the combination long enough to be 16”. FYI I've heard back from him and he can't make an 11.5" barrel and flash moderator and grenade ring legal length. So, back to the 12.7" barrel, I guess... |
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Originally Posted By mike_nds: Coming in a few weeks. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/91277/7A4A7451-3185848.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/91277/7A4A7447-3185849.jpg View Quote Attached File |
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The voices in my head say I’m just being paranoid
KY, USA
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Originally Posted By mike_nds: Coming in a few weeks. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/91277/7A4A7451-3185848.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/91277/7A4A7447-3185849.jpg View Quote Ooohhhh, that’s nice. Any chance you guys will ever offer the big forward assists for these transitional rifles? |
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Originally Posted By Akin: FYI I've heard back from him and he can't make an 11.5" barrel and flash moderator and grenade ring legal length. So, back to the 12.7" barrel, I guess... View Quote You need a spacer to use 11.5" barrel (11.5" barrel + "spacer" + XM flash hider + grenade ring). Did you ask if JT have spacer around or he no longer do that? He used to manufacture a spacer before for non-NFA compliance |
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Originally Posted By mlin: You need a spacer to use 11.5" barrel (11.5" barrel + "spacer" + XM flash hider + grenade ring). Did you ask if JT have spacer around or he no longer do that? He used to manufacture a spacer before for non-NFA compliance View Quote He told me that the threads on an 11.5" barrel aren't long enough to fit a spacer in and then secure the flash moderator "I do offer spacers, but with an 11.5" barrel and a "correct" length moderator, there isn't enough thread length to use a spacer. Your only options are to use a longer barrel or a longer moderator." |
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Originally Posted By mlin: Got it. Looks like only E2 option is to use longer barrel if you dislike extended flash hider. This is also one of my struggle not getting XM177E2 clone yet because I dislike extra 1" long barrel (12.7") or long moderator (5.5"). Neither look right for a E2 to my eyes. So I opt for going with 653 carbine route. The 14.5" vs 14.7" barrel isn't as noticeable in comparison. But it will never be as sexy as E2. View Quote Here is a picture of my XM177E2 using an 11.5 inch barrel. IMO the slightly longer suppressor looks better than having a slightly longer barrel. YMMV of course. Attached File |
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Our idea of a rough TDY was if the hotel did not have a swimming pool.
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Originally Posted By Slufstuff: Here is a picture of my XM177E2 using an 11.5 inch barrel. IMO the slightly longer suppressor looks better than having a slightly longer barrel. YMMV of course. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/312/xm177e2d_jpg-3184388.JPG View Quote Where’d you get the longer suppressor? I like the look as well… |
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Originally Posted By mike_nds: Coming in a few weeks. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/91277/7A4A7451-3185848.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/91277/7A4A7447-3185849.jpg View Quote Sigh...........it sucks being poor |
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"The villainy you teach me, I will execute, and it shall go hard but I will better the instruction"
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When I was a child, I caught a fleeting glimpse
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Originally Posted By Akin: Where'd you get the longer suppressor? I like the look as well View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Akin: Originally Posted By Slufstuff: Here is a picture of my XM177E2 using an 11.5 inch barrel. IMO the slightly longer suppressor looks better than having a slightly longer barrel. YMMV of course. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/312/xm177e2d_jpg-3184388.JPG Where'd you get the longer suppressor? I like the look as well https://www.tntesales.com/xm-177-gau-5-5-5-flash-hider-phosphate/ AR15Sport.com used to sell one that they advertised as 4.8" and would just extend to the legal limit, but it's no longer listed on the site. It might be worth contacting them to see if they will ever have them again. I'm not sure who posted the pic in this thread since it's in the archives but it looks pretty good. https://www.ar15.com/forums/ar-15/-ARCHIVED-THREAD-CAR-15-flash-hider-extension-Where-to-buy-/123-698419/? |
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Our idea of a rough TDY was if the hotel did not have a swimming pool.
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Originally Posted By Slufstuff: TNTE, mine is p&w and measures right at 16.1 inches. View Quote Confirming this one? The 5.5 that was mentioned above? Think I need to place an order, just got shipping notification of my 11.5" XM177E2 that I was able to snag a couple of days ago... |
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I sucked it up and SBR'd mine. The slightly longer barrel, or slightly longer moderator, would have driven my OCD nuts.
Although it's selective OCD. Some stuff, like ejection port doors, doesn't bother me much. So I guess it's all in what bugs us most! Someday I'll upgrade my buttstocks to the aluminum ones too, but again, something that doesn't bug me too much for now. Attached File Attached File |
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Forgive me if this has come up in one or more of the previous 127 pages but here goes. Have a complete 635 build. Lower purchased first followed by upper some months later. Get failure to eject with empty cartridge getting stuck just above the new round going in. Happens every round with a full 30 rounds then gets better at about every 6th about halfway through the magazine. Using all H&R mags. System worked perfectly with never any jams with original Colt 635 upper before the H&R upper came in. Issue happens with both 115 and 124gr ammo. Seems mag related but no issues as stated with the original Colt upper. Thoughts?
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Originally Posted By SISTIM7: Forgive me if this has come up in one or more of the previous 127 pages but here goes. Have a complete 635 build. Lower purchased first followed by upper some months later. Get failure to eject with empty cartridge getting stuck just above the new round going in. Happens every round with a full 30 rounds then gets better at about every 6th about halfway through the magazine. Using all H&R mags. System worked perfectly with never any jams with original Colt 635 upper before the H&R upper came in. Issue happens with both 115 and 124gr ammo. Seems mag related but no issues as stated with the original Colt upper. Thoughts? View Quote You probably just need to tune the ejector a little. Clear the rifle, then look through the magwell with the bolt closed. The ejector should be as close to the sidewall of the bolt without causing drag. Pop the upper off and gently bend the ejector towards the center of the lower. That should fix it. If not, we’ll get you a shipping label to send it back for inspection and repair. |
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We are living in a Tom Clancy novel
Over 50 and reputed to be a formidable brigand https://hr1871.com/ |
Originally Posted By SISTIM7: Forgive me if this has come up in one or more of the previous 127 pages but here goes. Have a complete 635 build. Lower purchased first followed by upper some months later. Get failure to eject with empty cartridge getting stuck just above the new round going in. Happens every round with a full 30 rounds then gets better at about every 6th about halfway through the magazine. Using all H&R mags. System worked perfectly with never any jams with original Colt 635 upper before the H&R upper came in. Issue happens with both 115 and 124gr ammo. Seems mag related but no issues as stated with the original Colt upper. Thoughts? View Quote Like Mike said, tune the ejector. This is a good link to read and has pics how the ejector should sit on the inside channel of the bolt 9mm info |
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Originally Posted By Akin: Confirming this one? The 5.5 that was mentioned above? Think I need to place an order, just got shipping notification of my 11.5" XM177E2 that I was able to snag a couple of days ago... View Quote That one has some taper on one side of the "wrench flat" cut. Otherwise, it looks pretty close to mine, compare the ad pictures to mine above. Also, mine measures 5 3/8 inches from top to bottom, not 5 1/2. Still nets 16.1 inches overall. Not sure why there is a difference, maybe a different run? EDIT: I looked some more on the TNTE site. I believe the suppressor installed on this linked upper is the one used on my XM177E2. I do not see it listed as a separate part. Keep in mind, mine is pinned & welded. https://www.tntesales.com/5-56-xm-177-lite-chf-cl-barrel-kit-round/ |
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Our idea of a rough TDY was if the hotel did not have a swimming pool.
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Originally Posted By Slufstuff: That one has some taper on one side of the "wrench flat" cut. Otherwise, it looks pretty close to mine, compare the ad pictures to mine above. Also, mine measures 5 3/8 inches from top to bottom, not 5 1/2. Still nets 16.1 inches overall. Not sure why there is a difference, maybe a different run? EDIT: I looked some more on the TNTE site. I believe the suppressor installed on this linked upper is the one used on my XM177E2. I do not see it listed as a separate part. Keep in mind, mine is pinned & welded. https://www.tntesales.com/5-56-xm-177-lite-chf-cl-barrel-kit-round/ View Quote Not sure if I'm up for spending as much for a barrel as I just spent for a complete H&R upper the other day. Besides, they state that these come with their current style flash hider, so what you have is probably gone forever in favor of what they're making these days... |
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Originally Posted By Slufstuff: That one has some taper on one side of the "wrench flat" cut. Otherwise, it looks pretty close to mine, compare the ad pictures to mine above. Also, mine measures 5 3/8 inches from top to bottom, not 5 1/2. Still nets 16.1 inches overall. Not sure why there is a difference, maybe a different run? EDIT: I looked some more on the TNTE site. I believe the suppressor installed on this linked upper is the one used on my XM177E2. I do not see it listed as a separate part. Keep in mind, mine is pinned & welded. https://www.tntesales.com/5-56-xm-177-lite-chf-cl-barrel-kit-round/ View Quote Looks identical to one that I have and plan to sell when I get around to it. I’m not selling it here, I’ll do at the EE. |
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Originally Posted By Akin: Not sure if I'm up for spending as much for a barrel as I just spent for a complete H&R upper the other day. Besides, they state that these come with their current style flash hider, so what you have is probably gone forever in favor of what they're making these days... View Quote I agree, that comment about "current style flash hider" does sound like they are using the other type with a different wrench slot. |
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Our idea of a rough TDY was if the hotel did not have a swimming pool.
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Originally Posted By mike_nds: Coming in a few weeks. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/91277/7A4A7451-3185848.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/91277/7A4A7447-3185849.jpg View Quote Will this have M4 spec ramps cut into the upper? My H&R 723 upper won't feed from CPD SS magazines. Same magazine, Colt 6920 SOCOM has no feeding problem. |
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The C7 uppers have M4 feed ramps
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We are living in a Tom Clancy novel
Over 50 and reputed to be a formidable brigand https://hr1871.com/ |
Originally Posted By tortilla-flats: I need a replacement set of the 7 hole skinny carbine handguards that come on the TIA upper. I'm unable to locate them on the PSA website. Any help, please? View Quote I bought a set of the Luth-AR but these aren't a match. I really don't want to spend $30+ a set trying to find the correct ones. |
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Originally Posted By grondike: I'm not sure which one he has, but TNTE sells one that's 5.5" long. I've never dealt with them but have read reports here that they can be slow to ship. View Quote FYI mine arrived yesterday, and I only placed the order on the 13th, so, less than a week from order to delivery. |
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We are living in a Tom Clancy novel
Over 50 and reputed to be a formidable brigand https://hr1871.com/ |
The voices in my head say I’m just being paranoid
KY, USA
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Originally Posted By mike_nds: The H&R t-shirts are online now. https://palmettostatearmory.com/h-r-logo-t-shirt-black.html https://palmettostatearmory.com/media/catalog/product/cache/0423dea8e9791990cba1722182d60508/h/_/h_r_black_front_1_1.jpg https://palmettostatearmory.com/media/catalog/product/cache/0423dea8e9791990cba1722182d60508/h/_/h_r_black_back_1_1.jpg View Quote Those look really good, but…… Wen hat? |
If you aren't representing Jesus in a way that makes people want to hang out with you, you're doing it wrong.
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When I was a child, I caught a fleeting glimpse
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Originally Posted By Sputnik556: Those look really good, but Wen hat? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Sputnik556: Originally Posted By mike_nds: The H&R t-shirts are online now. https://palmettostatearmory.com/h-r-logo-t-shirt-black.html https://palmettostatearmory.com/media/catalog/product/cache/0423dea8e9791990cba1722182d60508/h/_/h_r_black_front_1_1.jpg https://palmettostatearmory.com/media/catalog/product/cache/0423dea8e9791990cba1722182d60508/h/_/h_r_black_back_1_1.jpg Those look really good, but Wen hat? |
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Originally Posted By tortilla-flats: @mike_nds any guidance on this? I bought a set of the Luth-AR but these aren't a match. I really don't want to spend $30+ a set trying to find the correct ones. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By tortilla-flats: Originally Posted By tortilla-flats: I need a replacement set of the 7 hole skinny carbine handguards that come on the TIA upper. I'm unable to locate them on the PSA website. Any help, please? I bought a set of the Luth-AR but these aren't a match. I really don't want to spend $30+ a set trying to find the correct ones. We don't sell them individually. Why do you need another set? |
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We are living in a Tom Clancy novel
Over 50 and reputed to be a formidable brigand https://hr1871.com/ |
The voices in my head say I’m just being paranoid
KY, USA
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View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By grondike: Originally Posted By Sputnik556: Originally Posted By mike_nds: The H&R t-shirts are online now. https://palmettostatearmory.com/h-r-logo-t-shirt-black.html https://palmettostatearmory.com/media/catalog/product/cache/0423dea8e9791990cba1722182d60508/h/_/h_r_black_front_1_1.jpg https://palmettostatearmory.com/media/catalog/product/cache/0423dea8e9791990cba1722182d60508/h/_/h_r_black_back_1_1.jpg Those look really good, but Wen hat? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/622/hat2-2962566.jpg I hope that lives on for a long time. |
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Originally Posted By mike_nds: We don't sell them individually. Why do you need another set? View Quote https://www.gggaz.com/ar-15-forearm-flashlight-mount.html |
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Any projection on when we might get the next batch of early 604 or XM16E1 in gray with a 1/12?
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