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Just because they are PJs doesn't mean they are gun guys. More than likely whoever put that NCStar rail on that rifle doesn't know shit about what's good and bad and just thought it looked cool. Don't try overthinking it.
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Originally Posted By ek_cruiser_316:
No military background here and very intrigued that PJs would be using NCStar shit. What exactly denotes these are real deal PJs? In no way am I saying they aren't just how can one know 100%? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By ek_cruiser_316:
Originally Posted By JJREA:
Originally Posted By sdrake100:
Originally Posted By methical20:
There are some new AFSOC photos that show a NC Star MLOK extended FSP hand guard being used along with some BCM furniture (stock, pistol grip). Does anyone have experience with the NC Star rail? It doesn't look very robust, and I'd be shocked if it could hold a zero with a laser if it was pushed up against a barricade. I'd like to learn more if anyone has experience with it. Pics? http://i.imgur.com/SBVOwhx.jpg No military background here and very intrigued that PJs would be using NCStar shit. What exactly denotes these are real deal PJs? In no way am I saying they aren't just how can one know 100%? I was involved in part of the work to transition PJ training from 19th Air Force to 2nd Air Force, so I had "a little experience" with PJs overall. Those guys sure look legit to me. What I don't understand is why they have a white truck with a DOT # that crosses to Enterprise rental in Birmingham, Alabama... NcStar has a CAGE Code (6PES7), which means they're "in the system," so I think these parts would be relatively simple to get through standard supply channels. Also, in many cases Air Force units don't get much leeway in how far individual Airmen can "customize" their weapons, and PJs are no exception. Those rails are "drop in" units, which means the unit armorer didn't have to change barrel nuts (you'd have to do that with the Geissele rail, but not with a Knights RIS), so they didn't require any special permission, either. If you look carefully, you can see that the guy in the background on the left has the same rail on his rifle. I'm thinking the unit may have had to set up some weapons that they didn't have "better respected" rails for, maybe just to participate in this clearly staged publicity picture. |
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Originally Posted By GHPorter:
I was involved in part of the work to transition PJ training from 19th Air Force to 2nd Air Force, so I had "a little experience" with PJs overall. Those guys sure look legit to me. What I don't understand is why they have a white truck with a DOT # that crosses to Enterprise rental in Birmingham, Alabama... NcStar has a CAGE Code (6PES7), which means they're "in the system," so I think these parts would be relatively simple to get through standard supply channels. Also, in many cases Air Force units don't get much leeway in how far individual Airmen can "customize" their weapons, and PJs are no exception. Those rails are "drop in" units, which means the unit armorer didn't have to change barrel nuts (you'd have to do that with the Geissele rail, but not with a Knights RIS), so they didn't require any special permission, either. If you look carefully, you can see that the guy in the background on the left has the same rail on his rifle. I'm thinking the unit may have had to set up some weapons that they didn't have "better respected" rails for, maybe just to participate in this clearly staged publicity picture. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By GHPorter:
Originally Posted By ek_cruiser_316:
Originally Posted By JJREA:
Originally Posted By sdrake100:
Originally Posted By methical20:
There are some new AFSOC photos that show a NC Star MLOK extended FSP hand guard being used along with some BCM furniture (stock, pistol grip). Does anyone have experience with the NC Star rail? It doesn't look very robust, and I'd be shocked if it could hold a zero with a laser if it was pushed up against a barricade. I'd like to learn more if anyone has experience with it. Pics? http://i.imgur.com/SBVOwhx.jpg No military background here and very intrigued that PJs would be using NCStar shit. What exactly denotes these are real deal PJs? In no way am I saying they aren't just how can one know 100%? I was involved in part of the work to transition PJ training from 19th Air Force to 2nd Air Force, so I had "a little experience" with PJs overall. Those guys sure look legit to me. What I don't understand is why they have a white truck with a DOT # that crosses to Enterprise rental in Birmingham, Alabama... NcStar has a CAGE Code (6PES7), which means they're "in the system," so I think these parts would be relatively simple to get through standard supply channels. Also, in many cases Air Force units don't get much leeway in how far individual Airmen can "customize" their weapons, and PJs are no exception. Those rails are "drop in" units, which means the unit armorer didn't have to change barrel nuts (you'd have to do that with the Geissele rail, but not with a Knights RIS), so they didn't require any special permission, either. If you look carefully, you can see that the guy in the background on the left has the same rail on his rifle. I'm thinking the unit may have had to set up some weapons that they didn't have "better respected" rails for, maybe just to participate in this clearly staged publicity picture. I bet that is a rental vehicle because they are away from their home base, training. It's been known it to happen, to use civilian vehicles in training. It even happens in real missions. Again, no need to over think things. |
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Could be a private class. I went to a select fire class back in 2006 in Florence, Alabama and there were a few PJs in it. Had the M4s and M9s locked up in pelican cases on a g ride. They were running M4 with aimpoints gooseneck and rails attached to the hand guards, not even RAS. I remember because one of them was was the size of an ogre and broke the bottom hand guard off during a run.
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Originally Posted By GHPorter:
I was involved in part of the work to transition PJ training from 19th Air Force to 2nd Air Force, so I had "a little experience" with PJs overall. Those guys sure look legit to me. What I don't understand is why they have a white truck with a DOT # that crosses to Enterprise rental in Birmingham, Alabama... NcStar has a CAGE Code (6PES7), which means they're "in the system," so I think these parts would be relatively simple to get through standard supply channels. Also, in many cases Air Force units don't get much leeway in how far individual Airmen can "customize" their weapons, and PJs are no exception. Those rails are "drop in" units, which means the unit armorer didn't have to change barrel nuts (you'd have to do that with the Geissele rail, but not with a Knights RIS), so they didn't require any special permission, either. If you look carefully, you can see that the guy in the background on the left has the same rail on his rifle. I'm thinking the unit may have had to set up some weapons that they didn't have "better respected" rails for, maybe just to participate in this clearly staged publicity picture. View Quote It is very common to rent vehicles when TDY and use them as needed . Don't read too much into the cage code thing- anyone can get a code. It doesn't mean you do/did business with the government, just that you've taken one step toward the process |
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Originally Posted By Metro6:
Don't read too much into the cage code thing- anyone can get a code. It doesn't mean you do/did business with the government, just that you've taken one step toward the process View Quote Good point. I was just trying to make sense of this particular choice. I have this thing about me - weird stuff needs some sort of explanation... It makes things harder for me sometimes. |
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"--you can't conquer a free man; the most you can do is kill him."
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Great thread, one of the more interesting ones. |
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I expect a girl to get freaky. You know, get really enthusiastic about the opportunity to eat my ass. ----- posted by Fiver
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Originally Posted By tonyxcom:
This thread needs some love. Here is my attempt. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4481604/forum-pics/pj-ar.jpg View Quote |
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Mark it Zero!!
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Door gunner's tan flight suit makes him look like he's dropping a deuce behind our intrepid PJ
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I'd rather have a cleaned gun than clean boots
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Should builds like this have government profile barrels or Socom?
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What it boils down to is that they fear an effective resistance to their power: So, Left in power=Guns bad, mmmmkay...?, Right in power=Guns good!-thskirk
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Originally Posted By Augee:
Not sure if this one's been in this thread, but it's a USAFSOC carbine: https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5051/5477155873_11c2f3833b_z.jpg From the Air Force's Flickr. ~Augee View Quote ETA: Found it https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5178/5477151319_96e45260a0_b.jpg |
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I believe he is CCT. Probably just posing with other weapons. The first pic above might be his but I doubt this last one is.
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If U can't Truck It F!@k It!
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Originally Posted By Make_Mine_Moxie:
Time for a bump. From teh google: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/314713/c37c32474283c67290c26a9d75ae9179--usaf-pj-the-hindu-324868.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/314713/maxresdefault-324869.JPG View Quote |
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I'm not an addict,I just have a growing collection
NC, USA
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Had some spare time today so I thought I'd take some pictures of my PJ clone rifle
While I was in the Army, did see a few PJs from time to time as they traveled to our little region of Afghanistan. I mainly spent time with Air Force EOD, got roped in as their driver on multiple missions so they would all dismount for big operations while I stayed with their truck. Good group of guys This started life as a Colt Expanse, mainly cause I wanted the upper and lower and ditched the BCG and barrel since they weren't true Colt. Has slowly expanded over the years into what you see now. Still need to get an optic, but that's on the to do list Colt LE marked M4 lower complete SPIKES T2 buffer Vltor FDE stock Tango Down FDE grip Colt "C" marked upper MagTech BUIS Colt BCG BCM Mod4 CH Colt 14.5" barrel pinned/welded by Adco Daniel Defense Omega rail KAC multicam rail panels Magpul AFG Surefire 951 FDE (need to replace the head cause it strobs) Vickers NSN sling Only thing I deviated on was having a Magpul enhanced trigger guard, seekins precision mag release button, and the MagPul BAD Attached File Attached File |
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Very cool. Thank you for keeping the thread alive.
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Bump.
I can't figure out how to embed the linked video from my phone, but there's some AFSOC carbine goodness after the jump: http://soldiersystems.net/2018/02/27/83rd-eprs/ |
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As far as the omega 7” rail has anyone seen the fde version in the wild or are they only black
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What is the general consensus on light selection if I did want to feature one on this type of build?
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Bump!
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Hey y'all I'm trying to get started on a Pj/afsoc clone I didn't read all the pages but isn't a an afsoc clone basically a block 1 but with different furniture
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Originally Posted By Gonzaar24:
Hey y'all I'm trying to get started on a Pj/afsoc clone I didn't read all the pages but isn't a an afsoc clone basically a block 1 but with different furniture View Quote |
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If U can't Truck It F!@k It!
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Originally Posted By imdBman: Good news for you, the AF unit level purchase leaves a large variety of aftermarket options open for a build. Could be a Blk I, Blk II M4A1 or a Mk18. I have seen all of those with them. I just left an AFSOC graduation that had 2 newer FN M4A1 Blk I on display. 1 had an M68 Aimpoint and the otber had a Trijicon reflex sight. The airman at the display said he had never seen that reflex sight before. This was a training facility not operational. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By Gonzaar24: So does the afsoc community put whatever they want on their rifles? Or is there a specific requirement. Like I've seen nothing but dd omega and kac rails and what do you mean by unit level purchases? View Quote Different pots of money is all; the sky is nearly the limit for variation, as long as the commander signs off on it. The AF may issue Surefire lights, but a unit may decide they want a different brand or a light with a different capability, and purchase them for their guys. Same with things like the Vltor stocks. |
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Originally Posted By Make_Mine_Moxie:
Whatever they want is a bit of a stretch, but many units on AFSOC have much more leeway for mounting different items. The cool guy units have massive budgets compared to conventional units, so they end up with a larger variety of gear and weapons accessories. Some of it is issued by the AF, some of it is purchased by individual units from their own funds. Different pots of money is all; the sky is nearly the limit for variation, as long as the commander signs off on it. The AF may issue Surefire lights, but a unit may decide they want a different brand or a light with a different capability, and purchase them for their guys. Same with things like the Vltor stocks. View Quote |
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I expect a girl to get freaky. You know, get really enthusiastic about the opportunity to eat my ass. ----- posted by Fiver
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Originally Posted By Make_Mine_Moxie: Whatever they want is a bit of a stretch, but many units on AFSOC have much more leeway for mounting different items. The cool guy units have massive budgets compared to conventional units, so they end up with a larger variety of gear and weapons accessories. Some of it is issued by the AF, some of it is purchased by individual units from their own funds. Different pots of money is all; the sky is nearly the limit for variation, as long as the commander signs off on it. The AF may issue Surefire lights, but a unit may decide they want a different brand or a light with a different capability, and purchase them for their guys. Same with things like the Vltor stocks. View Quote Much simpler than that with the Vltor stocks: 1010-01-586-2718, VLTOR EMOD TAN 1010-01-586-2722, VLTOR EMOD BLACK 1010-01-586-2723, VLTOR EMOD GREEN 1010-01-586-3601, VLTOR IMOD STD TAN 1010-01-585-9988, VLTOR IMOD STD BLACK 1010-01-585-9994, VLTOR IMOD STD GREEN |
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Originally Posted By Make_Mine_Moxie: Learn something new every day. Pic thread: https://www.airforce.com/version/1588838749/data/indemand/social-image-14.jpg View Quote Looks more CCT than PJ. |
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The cost of treason isn't paid in Dollars.
USA
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(copied from the MK18/CQBR thread)
Geissele MK16 9.3" spotted in the wild. Notice the 1/2 MLOK slot on the gun just to the right of the blue jacket. MK16 9.3" rails = kosher(?) Attached File Mine: Attached File |
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Close up:
Attached File Geissele MK16 9.3" Attached File EDIT: Further digging states that these are PJs from the 48th Rescue Squadron.
Attached File High-Res image: https://external-preview.redd.it/4UhEm5u7VrIK9o5SBG21-ewXa2JbHMZpdMAM5UM7LQE.jpg?auto=webp&s=4646319daf854d986740c62a5512698a1734299a |
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The cost of treason isn't paid in Dollars.
USA
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Originally Posted By PFran42: (copied from the MK18/CQBR thread) Geissele MK16 9.3" spotted in the wild. Notice the 1/2 MLOK slot on the gun just to the right of the blue jacket. MK16 9.3" rails = kosher(?) https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/309598/D28-DC089-8231-43-B1-A4-D4-B50322502-E19-1486046.JPG Mine: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/309598/IMG_20200416_152707_jpg-1486048.JPG View Quote |
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Originally Posted By Make_Mine_Moxie: The pistol grip on the carbine on the far right in the foreground looks a bit unusual, almost like horizontal serrations. I can't tell if it is actually a non-standard grip of some sort, or just dust and crud flying around in the photo. View Quote M249 Attached File Attached File |
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