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Posted: 5/29/2013 6:30:39 AM EDT
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All my AR's have them and I like the feel when shooting if I happen to grab them. On my 5.56 and 7.62 AR pistols I had to do alittle filing to get them to fit but on my DPMS carbine it went on without a hitch.
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Posted: 5/29/2013 6:59:09 AM EDT
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You lose a lot of control over the weapon when gripping that close.
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Posted: 5/29/2013 6:59:13 AM EDT
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I have several of the CAA curved type and really like them. A buddy has the finger groove type but I prefer these. Not only do they work well for a great hand hold but carrying the rifle by your side. Works for me anyway, your mileage may vary.
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Posted: 5/29/2013 7:10:18 AM EDT
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You lose a lot of control over the weapon when gripping that close. Lose control...how so? Muscle-wise it seems a LOT easier for me to maneuver quickly and maintain aim without becoming fatigued when I'm holding the magwell vs. the forend. Kinda like holding a box out in front of you vs. holding it in close to the body. Thanks -Emt1581 |
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Posted: 5/29/2013 7:13:40 AM EDT
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The farther out on the fore end that you can hold, the more control you'll have over the muzzle.
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Posted: 5/29/2013 7:33:17 AM EDT
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The farther out on the fore end that you can hold, the more control you'll have over the muzzle. This. Moving my hand back from the handguard to the magwell recoil and muzzle flip seem to increase and follow up shots take longer. |
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Posted: 5/29/2013 7:45:12 AM EDT
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You don't look as tier 1 without the forward grip.
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Posted: 5/29/2013 7:47:58 AM EDT
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Isn't one of the obvious concerns that when things go BOOM in our guns, they tend to blow apart and out the magwell? That would be my main concern with firing my rifle with my hand on the magwell. Accidents happen, and I'd like to keep all my fingers if they do
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Posted: 5/29/2013 7:52:49 AM EDT
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I have always used my VG kinda like the magpul AFG w/ my middle, ring, and pinkie finger on the VG... my index finger and thumb griping the bottom and side of the rail respectively. Magwell grips are not the way to go... i am not a fan of fully extending the support arm but the more unsupported weight you have up front, the harder the rifle will be to control (you can over swing targets ect ect). I like the VG bc if I am up against cover, I will jam the VG up against the cover and it helps me control the vertical sway of the weapon when shooting longer distances (this is just something i do so i don't know if it is technically "correct") so that is why i prefer the VG over the AFG.
Also, how can you like using a VG on one rifle and not another? |
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Posted: 5/29/2013 7:54:34 AM EDT
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I've had 2 fairly minor "kabooms". The mags blew out in both but the lower didn't crack. I'm sure it may happen but I've never seen one myself.
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Posted: 5/29/2013 7:55:27 AM EDT
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Isn't one of the obvious concerns that when things go BOOM in our guns, they tend to blow apart and out the magwell? That would be my main concern with firing my rifle with my hand on the magwell. Accidents happen, and I'd like to keep all my fingers if they do Out of the millions of rounds fired yearly, how often does that happen? Might as well not play sports either, could twist an ankle or get tennis elbow. 
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Posted: 5/29/2013 7:59:48 AM EDT
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Isn't one of the obvious concerns that when things go BOOM in our guns, they tend to blow apart and out the magwell? That would be my main concern with firing my rifle with my hand on the magwell. Accidents happen, and I'd like to keep all my fingers if they do Out of the millions of rounds fired yearly, how often does that happen? Might as well not play sports either, could twist an ankle or get tennis elbow. Don't over exaggerate what I said. No one said anything about not shooting, only that using your brain should be a part of it. I based that concern of of things I've seen on THIS site. There's a reason that safety is a part of firearms. |
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Posted: 5/29/2013 8:00:42 AM EDT
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Personally I think they are ghey as fuck.
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Posted: 5/29/2013 8:01:07 AM EDT
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You lose a lot of control over the weapon when gripping that close. This. A small motion at the mag well is exaggerated at the muzzle. We teach the "C" clamp grip, not because it's cool but because it is a more stable platform. You create a triangle with you body and the gun, with your chest being the foundation utilizing bone support over muscle support. And you have more surface contact with the weapon. I personally run a 2point sling for a modified hasty, thus giving me even more stability and control. It's science 
Also yes you can CQB just fine if you need to with the above technique. this is a way not the only way |
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Posted: 5/29/2013 10:25:28 AM EDT
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The mag well grip is definitely not the most ideal. I will say it is comfortable. However, it does lack controlling the rifle especially when trying to "drive" it from target to target. But, before we jump on him for using it, the mag well grip has its place. For instance, when I was in Iraq my M4 had an EOTech 553, a 3x magnifier, a PEQ-2A, a Surefire 900 series weapon light. All this stuff was mounted on a 7" rail. Kind of makes it hard for a C clamp hold. I found the mag well hold to be ideal until I got a VFG.
So, yes, moving the support hand closer to the muzzle is more ideal and allows for better control and the ability to "drive" your weapon, but how your rifle is set up will dictate how you can grip it. Now I set up my rifles so that I can get the grip I want and add my accessories around that. However, a 7" rail makes it difficult to get that support hand forward grip. |
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Posted: 5/29/2013 1:36:16 PM EDT
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Personally I think they are ghey as fuck. |
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Posted: 5/29/2013 1:50:18 PM EDT
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You lose a lot of control over the weapon when gripping that close. This. A small motion at the mag well is exaggerated at the muzzle. We teach the "C" clamp grip, not because it's cool but because it is a more stable platform. You create a triangle with you body and the gun, with your chest being the foundation utilizing bone support over muscle support. And you have more surface contact with the weapon. I personally run a 2point sling for a modified hasty, thus giving me even more stability and control. It's science
Also yes you can CQB just fine if you need to with the above technique. this is a way not the only way This! You can shoot much more accurate and faster with a grip as described above! |
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Posted: 5/29/2013 3:41:28 PM EDT
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Here is a lower I machined because I do like the Magwell grip during certain situations.
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Posted: 5/29/2013 3:46:06 PM EDT
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Personally I think they are ghey as fuck. |
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Posted: 5/29/2013 4:05:00 PM EDT
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Wow I like it
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Posted: 5/29/2013 5:32:54 PM EDT
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Personally I think they are ghey as fuck. |
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Posted: 5/30/2013 3:59:47 AM EDT
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I run the Fab Defense/Mako magwell grip on 3 of my ARs, the earlier version without the hole for the serial # had to be dremeled to fit my first RRA lower but the two later ones I picked up fit on all my lowers with no mods. I also have the CAA pictured above, if you have issues putting your hands on the magwell this is a pretty good alternative, but if you mount it flush with the magwell you can't pivot the upper on the front pin, you have to separate the upper & lower. Also, on my 7.62x39 AR the lower edge of the CAA grip is very close to the bottom of my 30 round mags due to the sharper bend, making for awkward mag changes. I've tried a VFG in mutiple positions and while it's a better way of controlling muzzle jump it feels awkward and wears my left arm out quickly. There's a lot of debate on the dangers of a kaboom, my opinion is that the mag is designed to vent excess pressure so the odds of a magwell rupturing are slim. The Fab defense/Mako grips do extend two inches below the magwell so mag pulls or ranger plates are helpful on 20 rounders and almost a must on 10 rounders.
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Posted: 5/30/2013 4:24:32 AM EDT
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Here is a lower I machined because I do like the Magwell grip during certain situations. <a href="http://s978.photobucket.com/user/jrwingate6/media/450746d0-d678-4397-bf4a-2d6bab6b04e0_zps7d631493.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i978.photobucket.com/albums/ae266/jrwingate6/450746d0-d678-4397-bf4a-2d6bab6b04e0_zps7d631493.jpg</a> Don't see how that would help. Looks like a standard forged lower would be easier to hold. |
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Posted: 5/30/2013 4:47:19 AM EDT
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IF you have to,
Never Quit ftw 
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Posted: 5/30/2013 5:46:47 AM EDT
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I just put a magpul grip as close to the magazine well as I can. It's small, light, and is comfortable. I still hold the magazine well but that's only when I'm just cradling the rifle, not shooting with it.
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Posted: 5/30/2013 12:06:44 PM EDT
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You lose a lot of control over the weapon when gripping that close. This. A small motion at the mag well is exaggerated at the muzzle. We teach the "C" clamp grip, not because it's cool but because it is a more stable platform. You create a triangle with you body and the gun, with your chest being the foundation utilizing bone support over muscle support. And you have more surface contact with the weapon. I personally run a 2point sling for a modified hasty, thus giving me even more stability and control. It's science
Also yes you can CQB just fine if you need to with the above technique. this is a way not the only way This! You can shoot much more accurate and faster with a grip as described above! Watch the professionals (Travis Haley, Chris Costa, Daniel Horner, Taran Butler, etc). They shoot with their arms extended toward the muzzle for reason. It's all about leverage. Hold a broom stick at one end with your hands close together, then hold it with your hands spread out. It's obvious which way keeps the end more stable. The magwell hold is a product of people seeing "operators" using subguns. It can work great for a small platform shooting a pistol cartridge like an MP5, but not for a rifle/carbine. One of my setups: 
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Posted: 5/30/2013 3:25:15 PM EDT
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Personally I think they are ghey as fuck. |
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Posted: 6/1/2013 4:21:00 PM EDT
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Here is a lower I machined because I do like the Magwell grip during certain situations. <a href="http://s978.photobucket.com/user/jrwingate6/media/450746d0-d678-4397-bf4a-2d6bab6b04e0_zps7d631493.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i978.photobucket.com/albums/ae266/jrwingate6/450746d0-d678-4397-bf4a-2d6bab6b04e0_zps7d631493.jpg</a> Don't see how that would help. Looks like a standard forged lower would be easier to hold. They're both about the same. Plus I was just getting bored with the classic design. I wanted a different looking lower that nobody else at the range would have. |
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Posted: 6/1/2013 4:22:43 PM EDT
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You lose a lot of control over the weapon when gripping that close. Lose control...how so? Muscle-wise it seems a LOT easier for me to maneuver quickly and maintain aim without becoming fatigued when I'm holding the magwell vs. the forend. Kinda like holding a box out in front of you vs. holding it in close to the body. Thanks -Emt1581 The longer the lever, the easier it is to control. |
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Posted: 6/1/2013 4:23:59 PM EDT
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Here is a lower I machined because I do like the Magwell grip during certain situations. <a href="http://s978.photobucket.com/user/jrwingate6/media/450746d0-d678-4397-bf4a-2d6bab6b04e0_zps7d631493.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i978.photobucket.com/albums/ae266/jrwingate6/450746d0-d678-4397-bf4a-2d6bab6b04e0_zps7d631493.jpg</a> Well, Ben Grimm is covered I see. |
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Posted: 6/1/2013 4:28:05 PM EDT
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Here is a lower I machined because I do like the Magwell grip during certain situations. <a href="http://s978.photobucket.com/user/jrwingate6/media/450746d0-d678-4397-bf4a-2d6bab6b04e0_zps7d631493.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i978.photobucket.com/albums/ae266/jrwingate6/450746d0-d678-4397-bf4a-2d6bab6b04e0_zps7d631493.jpg</a> Well, Ben Grimm is covered I see. Ben Grimm? |
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Posted: 6/1/2013 4:32:08 PM EDT
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Somebody who gets it will be along shortly. Don't want to spoil it yet.
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Posted: 6/1/2013 4:36:44 PM EDT
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Personally I think they are ghey as fuck. + infinite. If I need to hold the mag well, I'll hold onto the actual mag well. |
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Posted: 6/1/2013 5:03:24 PM EDT
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Somebody who gets it will be along shortly. Don't want to spoil it yet. You talking about The Thing? |
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Posted: 6/1/2013 5:12:34 PM EDT
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Somebody who gets it will be along shortly. Don't want to spoil it yet. You talking about The Thing? Looks like it was made for his hands! |
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Posted: 6/1/2013 5:23:35 PM EDT
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Somebody who gets it will be along shortly. Don't want to spoil it yet. You talking about The Thing? Looks like it was made for his hands! Oh...Two fingers in each groove. I rarely use them though. Only certain situations. I prefer extending my leading arm as far out as I can get it. The magwell on my lower was more or less just to get a different look. Here's another one I just finished. They are machined using 7075 T7. 
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Posted: 6/1/2013 5:47:33 PM EDT
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The farther out on the fore end that you can hold, the more control you'll have over the muzzle. The c-clamp grip is sweet if your're going into a 45 second engagement that you already know is going to happen, but sucks for weapon retention or actually having to hold the rifle on target for several minutes. Right tool for the job and all that. |
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Posted: 6/1/2013 5:50:47 PM EDT
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Quoted: I have several of the CAA curved type and really like them. A buddy has the finger groove type but I prefer these. Not only do they work well for a great hand hold but carrying the rifle by your side. Works for me anyway, your mileage may vary. http://<a href=http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l9/rsanborn/pics082509018.jpg</a>" /> This looks good, but whenever I do a magwell grip I like the way the naked magwell/mag feels. |
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Posted: 6/1/2013 5:56:24 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: The farther out on the fore end that you can hold, the more control you'll have over the muzzle. The c-clamp grip is sweet if your're going into a 45 second engagement that you already know is going to happen, but sucks for weapon retention or actually having to hold the rifle on target for several minutes. Right tool for the job and all that. Sounds like a strength and conditioning issue to me. OP check this out |
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