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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/29/2024 12:45:08 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Eiffel]
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Black HRF magwell has been seen with the 75th Ranger Regiment.
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FL, USA
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Posted: 4/29/2024 2:44:02 PM EDT
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 I don’t think I’ve posted my 14.5 with LPVO yet. I kinda like the LPVO but have some buyers remorse not getting the Razor after playing with one of them in stores after I got the Sig. |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 2:56:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Eiffel: Black HRF magwell has been seen with the 75th Ranger Regiment. https://ibb.co/DKhW47v |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/29/2024 4:01:23 PM EDT
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Yeah I get that. There are also pictures of the Lancer 1 piece magwell still in use.
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DC, USA
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Posted: 4/29/2024 6:02:23 PM EDT
[#5]
I just got a 1-8 ATACR in FDE.
I got the one that includes the Nightforce scope mount. I didn't know it included Magpul offset sights., but it did. Are the Magpul offset sights clone correct? My supply of KAC sights is running then and I thought I might have more builds than sights, but i think right now, I'm even or have enough sights for one more build. I'll likely order some more KAC sights while they're available though. |
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USA
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Posted: 4/29/2024 8:10:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Air_Soft_Contractor: I just got a 1-8 ATACR in FDE. I got the one that includes the Nightforce scope mount. I didn't know it included Magpul offset sights., but it did. Are the Magpul offset sights clone correct? My supply of KAC sights is running then and I thought I might have more builds than sights, but i think right now, I'm even or have enough sights for one more build. I'll likely order some more KAC sights while they're available though. Yes, it's part of the deployment package. The SIG scope comes with them too. They are clone correct to the URGI. |
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DC, USA
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Posted: 4/29/2024 8:56:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Roadblock: Yes, it's part of the deployment package. The SIG scope comes with them too. They are clone correct to the URGI. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Roadblock: Originally Posted By Air_Soft_Contractor: I just got a 1-8 ATACR in FDE. I got the one that includes the Nightforce scope mount. I didn't know it included Magpul offset sights., but it did. Are the Magpul offset sights clone correct? My supply of KAC sights is running then and I thought I might have more builds than sights, but i think right now, I'm even or have enough sights for one more build. I'll likely order some more KAC sights while they're available though. Yes, it's part of the deployment package. The SIG scope comes with them too. They are clone correct to the URGI. Thanks, now I'm trying figure out how to mount the front offset sight, with a laser and a light. |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 5/1/2024 3:01:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Air_Soft_Contractor: Thanks, now I'm trying figure out how to mount the front offset sight, with a laser and a light.  Still suck at posting image, so hope this works. You might just find inspiration from this operator on managing offset irons and a bunch of other accessories. |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 5/1/2024 3:04:25 PM EDT
[Last Edit: suitnboots]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By suitnboots: https://photos.app.goo.gl/o2d9t4JGHdgvM28E8 Still suck at posting image, so hope this works. You might just find inspiration from this operator on managing offset irons and a bunch of other accessories. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By suitnboots: Originally Posted By Air_Soft_Contractor: Thanks, now I'm trying figure out how to mount the front offset sight, with a laser and a light. https://photos.app.goo.gl/o2d9t4JGHdgvM28E8 Still suck at posting image, so hope this works. You might just find inspiration from this operator on managing offset irons and a bunch of other accessories. 
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DC, USA
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Posted: 5/1/2024 3:22:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By suitnboots: https://i.postimg.cc/5NBcjtTW/F68-F3-CFA-0-CB9-45-BC-A627-4-B670-E3-B9-F75-png-2024632.jpg Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By suitnboots: Originally Posted By suitnboots: Originally Posted By Air_Soft_Contractor: Thanks, now I'm trying figure out how to mount the front offset sight, with a laser and a light. https://photos.app.goo.gl/o2d9t4JGHdgvM28E8 Still suck at posting image, so hope this works. You might just find inspiration from this operator on managing offset irons and a bunch of other accessories. https://i.postimg.cc/5NBcjtTW/F68-F3-CFA-0-CB9-45-BC-A627-4-B670-E3-B9-F75-png-2024632.jpg Thanks, I kinda figured the front sight would have to go behind the laser to open. I found a pic of an M4A1 Block II with the same scope and sights and it had a dual light and laser switch directly behind the laser and the front sight behind the switch, which placed it just barely in front of the scope. Then I found another one with the laser moved back, sight in the front and the switch on the side. |
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NM, USA
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Posted: 5/1/2024 6:58:48 PM EDT
[Last Edit: OldManShinobi]
[#11]
 Would this upper be more clone correct to use on an 11.5" or a 14.5"? |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 5/1/2024 9:48:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By OldManShinobi: https://i.imgur.com/IT8Vk3V.jpeg Would this upper be more clone correct to use on an 11.5" or a 14.5"? Either will do. |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 5/1/2024 9:52:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Air_Soft_Contractor: Thanks, I kinda figured the front sight would have to go behind the laser to open. I found a pic of an M4A1 Block II with the same scope and sights and it had a dual light and laser switch directly behind the laser and the front sight behind the switch, which placed it just barely in front of the scope. Then I found another one with the laser moved back, sight in the front and the switch on the side. This is why I dropped BUIS on my URG-I. Too much Tetris gaming. I see a lot guys dropped their BUIS, too, so unless you really want it there, having none isn't too bad. Aside from that, that operator's URG-I was how I always wanted to set mine up. LPVO, light and laser, and suppressor - sleek, simple, straightforward, and works anywhere. |
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Posted: 5/2/2024 10:42:48 AM EDT
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I am sure this has been asked several times, however my search-foo is weak, so I was wondering what are the clone correct weapons lights for the URG-I.
Thanks in advance. |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 5/2/2024 2:00:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BSOL: I am sure this has been asked several times, however my search-foo is weak, so I was wondering what are the clone correct weapons lights for the URG-I. Thanks in advance. There's always page 1, but to sum it up, vintage Insight lights or else Surefire. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/2/2024 2:55:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Eiffel]
[#16]
Issued lights at least for USASOC (not sure about NSW) include Insight WMX, Surefire X300V-B, and Surefire M640V with DS00 tailcap
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Posted: 5/2/2024 3:04:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Eiffel: Issued lights at least for USASOC (not sure about NSW) include Insight WMX, Surefire X300V-B, and Surefire M640V with DS00 tailcap Thanks. I checked page #1 of this topic and went through several other forums with no definite list. This is helpful. |
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Posted: 5/2/2024 3:29:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By suitnboots: There's always page 1, but to sum it up, vintage Insight lights or else Surefire. I'd be interested to see where you found the light selection in the OP |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/2/2024 3:35:55 PM EDT
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I neglected to add that the issued M640V with DS00 is the tan anodized one, not black. Of course there have been other lights floating around (SU233s for example) and privately purchased lights as well (more common in SF and less for the 75th)
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WA, USA
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Posted: 5/2/2024 3:37:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wissota4: I'd be interested to see where you found the light selection in the OP I mean, aren't there pictures? |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 5/2/2024 3:38:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BSOL: Thanks. I checked page #1 of this topic and went through several other forums with no definite list. This is helpful. Well, at day's end, there's always pictures for reference. |
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Posted: 5/2/2024 4:14:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By suitnboots: I mean, aren't there pictures? You should just go take a look at the entire page 1 and see the 1 photo of a light lol |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 5/2/2024 10:08:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wissota4: You should just go take a look at the entire page 1 and see the 1 photo of a light lol If it makes you happy... 
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/2/2024 10:13:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By suitnboots: If it makes you happy... https://i.postimg.cc/m2kkyLg1/Screenshot-20240502-190629904-1.jpg Not an URGI and that's a personally purchased light |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 5/2/2024 10:38:41 PM EDT
[Last Edit: suitnboots]
[#25]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Eiffel: Not an URGI and that's a personally purchased light I would say it's the unofficial progenitor. I don't have the material, but there were even operators with Mk 8 rails somewhere. The concept of URG-I has been around a good bit, if anything. Other than that, of course, a lot of private purchases accessories, so frankly, set-in-stone is out the window. Edit: oh and, it's on page 1, so, yeah... |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/2/2024 11:02:59 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Eiffel]
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There have been a variety of privately purchased uppers used by SF over the years - doesn't make them URGIs. That picture was added to the thread when much less information was available. In the same post there are several other rifles we now know to not be URGIs as well.
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WA, USA
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Posted: 5/2/2024 11:25:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Eiffel: There have been a variety of privately purchased uppers used by SF over the years - doesn't make them URGIs. That picture was added to the thread when much less information was available. In the same post there are several other rifles we now know to not be URGIs as well. Same stuff, different day. Point being, really, unless you really want picture perfect clone, it's open season with accessories and attachments. |
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Posted: 5/3/2024 7:28:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By suitnboots: Same stuff, different day. Point being, really, unless you really want picture perfect clone, it's open season with accessories and attachments. The point is this - the guy asked a legit question in a clone thread and you gave him a shit response and told him to look at the single picture of a light on page 1 lol |
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Posted: 5/3/2024 8:04:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By suitnboots: If it makes you happy... https://i.postimg.cc/m2kkyLg1/Screenshot-20240502-190629904-1.jpg |
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DC, USA
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Posted: 5/4/2024 2:34:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By suitnboots: This is why I dropped BUIS on my URG-I. Too much Tetris gaming. I see a lot guys dropped their BUIS, too, so unless you really want it there, having none isn't too bad. Aside from that, that operator's URG-I was how I always wanted to set mine up. LPVO, light and laser, and suppressor - sleek, simple, straightforward, and works anywhere. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By suitnboots: Originally Posted By Air_Soft_Contractor: Thanks, I kinda figured the front sight would have to go behind the laser to open. I found a pic of an M4A1 Block II with the same scope and sights and it had a dual light and laser switch directly behind the laser and the front sight behind the switch, which placed it just barely in front of the scope. Then I found another one with the laser moved back, sight in the front and the switch on the side. This is why I dropped BUIS on my URG-I. Too much Tetris gaming. I see a lot guys dropped their BUIS, too, so unless you really want it there, having none isn't too bad. Aside from that, that operator's URG-I was how I always wanted to set mine up. LPVO, light and laser, and suppressor - sleek, simple, straightforward, and works anywhere. I'm not committed to everything having back up sights, but I do have them on all my clone builds so far. I've gotten to the end of my KAC sight supply and have been thinking about buying some more. I've got some Matech sights for the rear and some Troy sights for an FBI build. Some of my Navy builds have A.R.M.S. and GG&G sights. |
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DC, USA
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Posted: 5/4/2024 2:44:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BSOL: I am sure this has been asked several times, however my search-foo is weak, so I was wondering what are the clone correct weapons lights for the URG-I. Thanks in advance. Recent ones can be Surefire tan M640V (IR) or even tan M640U (non-IR). Less common, but to maybe save rail space on an 11.5", maybe the shorter M340V or M340A. The Surefire M600 and M300 have been used, with pic rail sections or MLok adapter mounts. The Surefire Dual Fuel (DF) series is less reliable and usually used. I had a few M600's, so that's what I use. The M600U / M640U is a bit brighter than the M300A / N340A, but with the infrared models, M600V / M640V, the two battery versions aren't much brighter at all, compared to the shorter single battery versions, M300V / M340V, but battery life might be a bit longer. |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 11:03:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Air_Soft_Contractor: Recent ones can be Surefire tan M640V (IR) or even tan M640U (non-IR). Less common, but to maybe save rail space on an 11.5", maybe the shorter M340V or M340A. The Surefire M600 and M300 have been used, with pic rail sections or MLok adapter mounts. The Surefire Dual Fuel (DF) series is less reliable and usually used. I had a few M600's, so that's what I use. The M600U / M640U is a bit brighter than the M300A / N340A, but with the infrared models, M600V / M640V, the two battery versions aren't much brighter at all, compared to the shorter single battery versions, M300V / M340V, but battery life might be a bit longer. Thanks for the post, great list to work with, which is what I was looking for. |
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Posted: 5/6/2024 7:21:19 PM EDT
[#33]
Tiger Stripe and URGI?
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Posted: 5/7/2024 3:49:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By -MainDisconnect-: Tiger Stripe and URGI?https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/366627/IMG_2415_jpeg-3207346.JPG Yes |
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FRA
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Posted: 5/7/2024 6:28:39 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Pitou]
[#35]
Ok so the 1st Special Forces Group
  I'm surprised to see the VCOG 1-8. |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 7:30:40 AM EDT
[#36]
Cool to see the VCOG in action on a URG-I - I love that optic.
The tiger stripes are even cooler though! |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 8:29:17 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Combat_Diver]
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I used wear Tiger Stripes in the late 80s in SF. (kept in very good condition) Passed them to oldest son and he worn them in SF too. He mentioned to me in December that he still has them.
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Posted: 5/7/2024 7:33:05 PM EDT
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NY, USA
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Posted: 5/7/2024 8:11:48 PM EDT
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Got a clone correct URG-I 14.5" with the gen 1 6065 geissele mk16 rail. Anyone know what the uppers worth?
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USA
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Posted: 5/7/2024 8:27:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By zinny103090: Got a clone correct URG-I 14.5" with the gen 1 6065 geissele mk16 rail. Anyone know what the uppers worth? Nothing more than what they’re currently going for, probably less. I wouldn’t want the 6061 when the 7076 is a thing now. |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 10:35:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By india13c: Nothing more than what they’re currently going for, probably less. I wouldn’t want the 6061 when the 7076 is a thing now. That's typically not how clone parts work. A significant amount of rails in service are 6061 aluminum or P/N marked only. Not to mention virtually all of them are devoid of QD socket reinforcements. As time marches on and the URG-I eventually replaces the Block II in terms of collector focus, those original parts will become scarce, sought after, and more valuable as a result. |
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NY, USA
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Posted: 5/7/2024 10:36:54 PM EDT
[#42]
I can understand your sentiment.
But I don't think there's one example of a scare iteration of a clone part that ultimately was worth less than the more abundant alternative. |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 10:41:37 PM EDT
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USA
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Posted: 5/7/2024 10:47:03 PM EDT
[Last Edit: india13c]
[#44]
Considering there’s no visual way of knowing it’s 6000 series vs 7000 series aluminum (unless it’s a P/N), I’m not sure how you feel it makes it more valuable than simply what they’re all currently worth. I see nothing that would make it more valuable unless the QD socket-less rails dry up. If that’s the case then what makes it more desirable is the lack of sockets. I have a few of both and the variance in weight is negligible, so even that isn’t a reliable means.
This isn’t the same thing as asking if someone values the FDE RISII which has clone correct city markings as the current ones. You’re asking if a rail that is the same exact thing as the current version, minus a material difference there’s no way to confirm, is worth more than what you can currently still buy. It’s not a scarce part yet… |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 11:20:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By india13c: It’s not a scarce part yet… That's exactly my point. Standard QD socket rails are effectively discontinued already. What's available in the market can only be obtained second hand. By its very nature that is a dwindling supply. You're at the tail end of "salad days" insofar as those handguards are concerned. Sure, you may not care about the differences. But plenty of people do, and many more eventually will. The URG-I is going to be the "what I carried" rifle for the next generation. Vintage, exactingly *clone correct* rails are going to command a premium. Stock up while you can at a reasonable price. |
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USA
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Posted: 5/7/2024 11:23:09 PM EDT
[Last Edit: india13c]
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tanodized: That's exactly my point. Standard QD socket rails are effectively discontinued already. What's available in the market can only be obtained second hand. By its very nature that is a dwindling supply. You're at the tail end of "salad days" insofar as those handguards are concerned. Sure, you may not care about the differences. But plenty of people do, and many more eventually will. The URG-I is going to be the "what I carried" rifle for the next generation. Vintage, exactingly *clone correct* rails are going to command a premium. Stock up while you can at a reasonable price. If that’s true, then I was unaware they’re gone. That being said, they’re still not gone completely. He asked what it’s currently worth not what it might be worth later. Regardless, it’s only worth what someone will pay not what we tell him. Go sell it and find out. I have had one up for a while and people just keep lowballing the shit out of it, so I don’t think it’s worth what you think it is yet. |
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NY, USA
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Posted: 5/7/2024 11:42:23 PM EDT
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IIRC, geissle made the switch without letting anyone know a year or two after the URG-Is release. One of the things clone snoops realized was a slight weight difference and thus all the speculation, which ultimately lead to the discovery in changes.
It's been six years since the URG-I hit the field and as tanodized said, they've stopped making the 6065 rails. At least for sale on the civ side. No idea if say contract requirements would "lock" specs until a updated contract/etc. I've still got my original box from 18', this rail was from the first batch that was made available to civilians (the July 4th sale). Granted it's not pn maked and just stamped with ga mfg markings. So bona fides are not concrete. Being unsure in value is exactly why I asked. Not sure if it's worth much if at all more presently. I certainly wasn't going full KAC blinded in aspiration. For sure don't know why you're so adamant that it's seemly a dumb question and that the rail shouldn't be worth more. |
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Posted: 5/7/2024 11:43:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By india13c: If that’s true, then I was unaware they’re gone. I don’t think it’s worth what you think it is yet. I've not argued that they are exceptionally valuable now. My only point from the outset is that their value will increase. There is certainly a lag time between the product being discontinued and the market's awareness of/response to that condition. Your post being a prime example. Or I'm wrong. The current production Mk16 is and will continue to be far more desirable. In that case, anyone who wants to trade theirs in for an upgrade should send me a PM. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 12:42:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LsuJon: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/IMG_7182_jpeg-3208457.JPG Looking forward to the surplus illum. MK6's with the good markings as shown in that picture in a year or two. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 2:00:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JLAudio: Looking forward to the surplus illum. MK6's with the good markings as shown in that picture in a year or two. That ones non illum. |
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