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Posted: 3/29/2024 2:14:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Eyekahn: Man, there really is no need for another rifle. Shot a few groups at 100m then burned it down at 25-10m with the T1. Bootleg carrier on full suppressed with an H2 is amazing in this rifle. After spending some time with My MK12 mod 0, you can definitely see why they progressed to the Mod1, mod H and the NSW. When I can get my hands on the rail I’ll get an NSW in the works. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 3/29/2024 10:51:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ridger: After spending some time with My MK12 mod 0, you can definitely see why they progressed to the Mod1, mod H and the NSW. When I can get my hands on the rail I’ll get an NSW in the works. interesting... care to elaborate? |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 3/30/2024 2:37:09 PM EDT
[Last Edit: TheSogster]
[#3]
In case anyone is looking, Lilja has 15.1 Recce barrels in stock and ready to ship. I just had one delivered
https://riflebarrels.com/shop/drop-in-barrels/ar/ar15/223/223-8-recce-m4-barrel-2/ |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 3/30/2024 4:34:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheSogster: In case anyone is looking, Lilja has 15.1 Recce barrels in stock and ready to ship. I just had one delivered https://riflebarrels.com/shop/drop-in-barrels/ar/ar15/223/223-8-recce-m4-barrel-2/ Post some photos installed with suppressor if you can. |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 3/30/2024 6:49:47 PM EDT
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Unfortunately I can't have cans where I live. I also don't expect to get this project started until I get a few others buttoned up. All I really have is the HG and the barrel so far
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NC, USA
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Posted: 3/30/2024 7:21:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheSogster: Unfortunately I can't have cans where I live. I also don't expect to get this project started until I get a few others buttoned up. All I really have is the HG and the barrel so far Post up the barrel? What is the thickness of the barrel from shoulder of muzzle to the step? And the thickness after the step? Just trying to see if this uses the standard dimensions for SPR contour or it needs a custom collar. |
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USA
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Posted: 3/30/2024 8:34:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Omega9000: interesting... care to elaborate? Don’t get me wrong, still really like my Mod 0, but it is a beefcake. It can be pretty tough to maneuver in tight spaces…indoors/vehicles etc. it makes sense how going to shorter barrels, removing the full length swan sleeve and so on would be worth it, while not losing all that much capability. I think an NSW would be quite a bit more versatile. |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 3/30/2024 8:45:38 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/30/2024 8:56:07 PM EDT
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Carbine gas?
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NC, USA
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Posted: 3/30/2024 9:09:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryThank you. Nice you can use a normal collar. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 3/30/2024 9:10:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By UndrGrndPrdcts: Carbine gas? Yea haha. Apparently the original ones were. Just would really like to know if the original ones were cut downs or had the same profile as these new ones. |
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Posted: 3/30/2024 9:13:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Eyekahn: Yea haha. Apparently the original ones were. Just would really like to know if the original ones were cut downs or had the same profile as these new ones. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Eyekahn: Originally Posted By UndrGrndPrdcts: Carbine gas? Yea haha. Apparently the original ones were. Just would really like to know if the original ones were cut downs or had the same profile as these new ones. Thats gross. |
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Posted: 3/30/2024 9:21:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ridger: Don’t get me wrong, still really like my Mod 0, but it is a beefcake. It can be pretty tough to maneuver in tight spaces…indoors/vehicles etc. it makes sense how going to shorter barrels, removing the full length swan sleeve and so on would be worth it, while not losing all that much capability. I think an NSW would be quite a bit more versatile. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ridger: Originally Posted By Omega9000: interesting... care to elaborate? Don’t get me wrong, still really like my Mod 0, but it is a beefcake. It can be pretty tough to maneuver in tight spaces…indoors/vehicles etc. it makes sense how going to shorter barrels, removing the full length swan sleeve and so on would be worth it, while not losing all that much capability. I think an NSW would be quite a bit more versatile. I only have Mod 0 and Mod H experience, but just chopping off 2” of barrel makes a real difference. Still trying to figure out if I do a Mod 1 or NSW build with my KAC rail… |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 3/30/2024 9:40:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By UndrGrndPrdcts: Thats gross. lol. Exactly why mine has a mid gas Douglas and why my x24 is mil/mil-r. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 3/30/2024 9:42:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By towerofpower94: I only have Mod 0 and Mod H experience, but just chopping off 2” of barrel makes a real difference. Still trying to figure out if I do a Mod 1 or NSW build with my KAC rail… My opinion is really based on what optic you know you want to run. If you go mod 1 x50 NF is a must. |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 3/30/2024 9:53:33 PM EDT
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I have a mid length noveske on my ModH and a white oak for my Mod1. I'm ok with trying out the original carbine config on this one.
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Posted: 3/30/2024 10:01:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Eyekahn: My opinion is really based on what optic you know you want to run. If you go mod 1 x50 NF is a must. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Eyekahn: Originally Posted By towerofpower94: I only have Mod 0 and Mod H experience, but just chopping off 2” of barrel makes a real difference. Still trying to figure out if I do a Mod 1 or NSW build with my KAC rail… My opinion is really based on what optic you know you want to run. If you go mod 1 x50 NF is a must. I'd go mod 1 and mk5 like sniper comp setups. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 3/30/2024 10:07:07 PM EDT
[#18]
Those Liljas still rolling out with .080” gas port, carbine gas, and 1/8 twist…..?
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CA, USA
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Posted: 3/30/2024 10:23:29 PM EDT
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I haven't checked the gas port size but everything else is the same so most likely.
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Posted: 3/30/2024 11:50:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheSogster: In case anyone is looking, Lilja has 15.1 Recce barrels in stock and ready to ship. I just had one delivered https://riflebarrels.com/shop/drop-in-barrels/ar/ar15/223/223-8-recce-m4-barrel-2/ I was not expecting to spend $600 on a barrel today. But I've been waiting a while for them to do another run of the 15.1s My 16" .223-8 M4 barrel was the most accurate barrel I've ever owned, and I've had all the big names. Yep its a 1/8 twist, yep its carbine gas length... Yep it was 1/2 MOA on a bad day. |
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Posted: 3/31/2024 12:25:37 AM EDT
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I was ready to pull the trigger on the Lilja but damn, why did they have to mark it Wylde so prominently.
Tempted to just go with Bison. |
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Posted: 3/31/2024 8:28:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Midazoslam: I was ready to pull the trigger on the Lilja but damn, why did they have to mark it Wylde so prominently. Tempted to just go with Bison. You not planning on running a handguard or what? 😂 The "Wylde" is not visible with a rifle length rail IIRC |
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Posted: 3/31/2024 11:12:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By slowkota1: You not planning on running a handguard or what? 😂 The "Wylde" is not visible with a rifle length rail IIRC Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By slowkota1: Originally Posted By Midazoslam: I was ready to pull the trigger on the Lilja but damn, why did they have to mark it Wylde so prominently. Tempted to just go with Bison. You not planning on running a handguard or what? 😂 The "Wylde" is not visible with a rifle length rail IIRC These are the post fuck up barrels? Too damned bad they didn't at least bead blast that shinny whore |
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Posted: 3/31/2024 11:40:39 AM EDT
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Here’s a pic of someone’s recent Lilja 15.1. Gap looks similar to most of the CLE barrels
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NC, USA
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Posted: 3/31/2024 12:32:32 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Eyekahn]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Subpar: Here’s a pic of someone’s recent Lilja 15.1. Gap looks similar to most of the CLE barrels https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/147863/F571893D-6071-417E-B174-F96C8512F350-3174571.jpg That looks good. Glad they got it close. I just threw on a custom collar that Ron made for me a while ago to suck up the gap a little more. 9.5 turns and it's about 1/16 off the rail on my CLE 
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Posted: 3/31/2024 1:06:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By slowkota1: You not planning on running a handguard or what? 😂 The "Wylde" is not visible with a rifle length rail IIRC Planned on using my medium ras with just a FH |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 3/31/2024 1:37:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Eyekahn]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Midazoslam: Planned on using my medium ras with just a FH It's got all that other stuff printed all over it and you're worried about the wylde? |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 3/31/2024 1:57:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Eyekahn: That looks good. Glad they got it close. I just threw on a custom collar that Ron made for me a while ago to suck up the gap a little more. 9.5 turns and it's about 1/16 off the rail on my CLE https://i.imgur.com/9ailZuU.jpeg Great looking rifle. You don't have any contact issues from barrel whip with that small amount of clearance? |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 3/31/2024 2:21:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheSogster: Great looking rifle. You don't have any contact issues from barrel whip with that small amount of clearance? Haven't shot it with that collar on. Shouldn't be an issue since I've ran cans that close in the past. |
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Posted: 3/31/2024 4:26:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Eyekahn: It's got all that other stuff printed all over it and you're worried about the wylde? From what I recall the previous ones lilja made didn't have that chamber spec/marking but I could be completely wrong. You'd know better than I would. |
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Posted: 3/31/2024 5:10:03 PM EDT
[Last Edit: slowkota1]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Midazoslam: From what I recall the previous ones lilja made didn't have that chamber spec/marking but I could be completely wrong. You'd know better than I would. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Midazoslam: Originally Posted By Eyekahn: It's got all that other stuff printed all over it and you're worried about the wylde? From what I recall the previous ones lilja made didn't have that chamber spec/marking but I could be completely wrong. You'd know better than I would. This pic is about 11-12 years ago, not suuuuper long ago... But they were marked like that back then. Hell you couldn't even order them online, you had to call to order back then. They didn't have the RECCE either, they only had the M4 in 16" (regular or fluted) I wanted to do the SEAL Recce clone, but I was also in love with the M4A1Block II.. So I blended the two and went with an x42 NXS cause I didn't like the x24 eyebox lol 
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Posted: 3/31/2024 11:38:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mban2: The 201s do some amazing work on the intended targets. The 194s are effectively the exact same, so I would assume they would have the same terminal effects Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mban2: Originally Posted By towerofpower94: Originally Posted By TinyCrumb: Originally Posted By towerofpower94: @TinyCrumb Is this the 194gr Lehigh you're loading? Looks nasty, and expensive  Mind sharing your load data for it? I've been thinking about trying to make some subs that are more than just plinkers with my go-to 220gr SMK seconds or the 200gr Berry's plated, both of which ice pick through with maybe a bent tip or ever so slight mushroom. That is the correct bullet, yes. Also same bullet, just 7 grains lighter, as the FBI/JSOC load that Black Hills does. I don't load my own ammo however, I only shoot factory ammo. Just haven't really had the time to dive in to that. I stocked up on Underwood's loading of it but Wilson Combat also does one as well: https://underwoodammo.com/300-aac-blackout-7.62x35mm-194gr.-maximum-expansion-solid-monolithic-hunting-self-defense-ammo/ https://wilsoncombat.com/300-blackout-194gr-lehigh-me-20-box.html They are expensive, but that's why I think having a less expensive plinking go-to, like the S&B 200s, works well. Thanks. Might pick up a box or two of those LH 194s after I do some research. The 201s do some amazing work on the intended targets. The 194s are effectively the exact same, so I would assume they would have the same terminal effects Always interesting to me when posts like this go unnoticed. |
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Posted: 4/1/2024 1:42:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By slowkota1: This pic is about 11-12 years ago, not suuuuper long ago... But they were marked like that back then. Hell you couldn't even order them online, you had to call to order back then. They didn't have the RECCE either, they only had the M4 in 16" (regular or fluted) I wanted to do the SEAL Recce clone, but I was also in love with the M4A1Block II.. So I blended the two and went with an x42 NXS cause I didn't like the x24 eyebox lol Right, the ones I recall were M4 223 8T marked and were the $705 barrel they had listed. |
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Posted: 4/1/2024 9:01:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By slowkota1: This pic is about 11-12 years ago, not suuuuper long ago... But they were marked like that back then. Hell you couldn't even order them online, you had to call to order back then. They didn't have the RECCE either, they only had the M4 in 16" (regular or fluted) I wanted to do the SEAL Recce clone, but I was also in love with the M4A1Block II.. So I blended the two and went with an x42 NXS cause I didn't like the x24 eyebox lol https://i.imgur.com/flkux2P.jpg That is fantastic! |
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Posted: 4/4/2024 7:22:27 PM EDT
[#35]
Start of an NSW RIS II
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Posted: 4/5/2024 1:22:51 AM EDT
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Quote Historywtf is a “NSW RIS II”? 🤔 |
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Posted: 4/5/2024 6:46:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Midazoslam: Right, the ones I recall were M4 223 8T marked and were the $705 barrel they had listed. That’s how mine is marked. I don’t have a pic of the full engraving on my phone.  Put my upper on a PSA M4A1 lower and tossed a 3T on to experiment. I need to grab another atlas too bc I robbed this one for my bolt gun. 
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NC, USA
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Posted: 4/6/2024 3:38:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dobs013: That’s how mine is marked. I don’t have a pic of the full engraving on my phone. https://i.imgur.com/SHdfwHX.jpeg Put my upper on a PSA M4A1 lower and tossed a 3T on to experiment. I need to grab another atlas too bc I robbed this one for my bolt gun. https://i.imgur.com/CZjSZwt.jpeg I wonder if that barrel is accurate.......... |
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AR, USA
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Posted: 4/8/2024 4:51:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Mickeylightfinger]
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Does anyone know what bipod the OG NSW SEAL Recce has mounted? It's the one with the 4.5-14x40 Leupold Mark 4 as found on Clone Rifles (see following pictures). https://clonerifles.com/seal-recce/
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AR, USA
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Posted: 4/8/2024 4:56:15 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Mickeylightfinger]
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AR, USA
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Posted: 4/9/2024 5:15:56 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/9/2024 10:36:08 PM EDT
[Last Edit: AWHAILYEAH]
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TinyCrumb: wtf is a “NSW RIS II”? 🤔 Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TinyCrumb: wtf is a “NSW RIS II”? 🤔 Edited to insure Sanitized thread is sanitary.................................................................................. |
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Posted: 4/10/2024 10:44:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AWHAILYEAH: 15.1" CLE Recce RIS II..................................(AEMB is just hand screwed on it's off to be pinned) https://i.imgur.com/NUddzUn.jpg https://i.imgur.com/WkRv041.jpg https://i.imgur.com/sUqyl1u.jpg As you see a lil different flavor in caliber tho................................   Ew brother ew what's that brother meme |
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Posted: 4/10/2024 10:51:36 AM EDT
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NC, USA
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Posted: 4/10/2024 11:04:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryReddit strikes again lol. The only ris ii NSW Recce I'm aware of is the team 2 dude's block 2 m4a1 with x24 and offset t1. Not whatever that dude posted. That needs to be in the GWOT concept thread. |
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Posted: 4/10/2024 11:07:37 AM EDT
[Last Edit: AWHAILYEAH]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Eyekahn: Reddit strikes again lol. The only ris ii NSW Recce I'm aware of is the team 2 dude's block 2 m4a1 with x24 and offset t1. Not whatever that dude posted. That needs to be in the GWOT concept thread. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Eyekahn: Reddit strikes again lol. The only ris ii NSW Recce I'm aware of is the team 2 dude's block 2 m4a1 with x24 and offset t1. Not whatever that dude posted. That needs to be in the GWOT concept thread. It’s a place where spare parts come together really not that hard a concept. Just something to fuck off with when ya buy too much shit and really kinda meshes within grey areas throughout the clone world. Don’t over think it ETA: Eyekahn is correct it has no place in here it is just a GWOT era concept and there are pics out there |
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Posted: 4/10/2024 11:50:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Eyekahn: Reddit strikes again lol. The only ris ii NSW Recce I'm aware of is the team 2 dude's block 2 m4a1 with x24 and offset t1. Not whatever that dude posted. That needs to be in the GWOT concept thread. It is 100% fact that current teams (I've only seen it on West coast but could be happening out East too) are employing the 14.5" Block II in a "Recce" or "DMR" role (or whatever is trendy to call it this week). It's usually paired with an SU-279/PVS (ECOS-O contract) variable optic and a bipod. There are countless photos of them doing this from the last few years. There could be an argument that that configuration fits within the topic of this thread. Hell, even the title of it differentiates between NSWDG vs SEAL, although I don't recall to date ever discussing any "SEAL" recces in here, it's mostly been centered around JSOC unit guns like nswdg, cag & 24th. Although we already have a Block II thread so… But I agree, this weirdo concept of combining a devgru gun with big socom / seal shit like block 2 components is gross, doesn't even make any sense and needs to go in some concept thread or something. Hence my original "WTF is that?" comment. At least there was a dev recce in the last photo. The confusing and awkward tradition of people popping into the clone thread/groups with "I see your mil rifle theme, but how about I share my own version/interpretation of it, I'm sure you will be interested!" will never die. Such bizarre behavior. SEAL Block II recces for example:  Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 4/10/2024 2:53:05 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/10/2024 3:27:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TinyCrumb: It is 100% fact that current teams (I've only seen it on West coast but could be happening out East too) are employing the 14.5" Block II in a "Recce" or "DMR" role (or whatever is trendy to call it this week). It's usually paired with an SU-279/PVS (ECOS-O contract) variable optic and a bipod. There are countless photos of them doing this from the last few years. There could be an argument that that configuration fits within the topic of this thread. Hell, even the title of it differentiates between NSWDG vs SEAL, although I don't recall to date ever discussing any "SEAL" recces in here, it's mostly been centered around JSOC unit guns like nswdg, cag & 24th. Although we already have a Block II thread so… But I agree, this weirdo concept of combining a devgru gun with big socom / seal shit like block 2 components is gross, doesn't even make any sense and needs to go in some concept thread or something. Hence my original "WTF is that?" comment. At least there was a dev recce in the last photo. The confusing and awkward tradition of people popping into the clone thread/groups with "I see your mil rifle theme, but how about I share my own version/interpretation of it, I'm sure you will be interested!" will never die. Such bizarre behavior. SEAL Block II recces for example: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/224859/IMG_0044_JPG-3184037.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/224859/IMG_0043_JPG-3184038.JPG Oh yea the MK6 guns were SEAL. I always felt like those rifles were just B2 with more magnified optics, not a whole new list of components in a new configuration so I 100% agree with you. As for the SEAL Recce vs NSWDG recce names I put in the OP, I guess I always just followed the KD4 term he coined the "SEAL Recce" in his videos and shows he was on. Both guns are strictly DEV rifles so maybe I should just change it to "OG NSWDG Recce" and "NSWDG Recce" as I just wasn't sure what to name the flush fit OPS can on the FF RAS configuration |
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Posted: 4/10/2024 6:20:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: AWHAILYEAH]
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I was just showing what the so called concept was but I included a pic with a legit built NSWDG in it to keep within the thread title. It's a cool combo but not an official issued anything. Just some shit they put together out in the field for fucks sake I suppose....................
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