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Posted: 10/17/2011 10:16:57 AM EDT
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Mike Can we call up to order them today or do we need to wait until they are posted on the web site? Fire for effect |
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Posted: 10/17/2011 10:28:14 AM EDT
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Just ordered a sufficient quantity to keep me entertained for a while.
Nice work, NDS. |
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Posted: 10/17/2011 10:52:48 AM EDT
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Done!!!!
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Posted: 10/17/2011 11:02:38 AM EDT
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Hit! Don't know what I'm building yet, but I'm building something.
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Posted: 10/17/2011 11:05:38 AM EDT
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Yeah, I'm not sure what I'm gonna do with 'em, but I grabbed a couple.
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Posted: 10/17/2011 11:16:27 AM EDT
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You guys make me smile
At some point I'm going to do a fantasy dissapator build with them. |
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Posted: 10/17/2011 11:24:51 AM EDT
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You guys make me smile
At some point I'm going to do a fantasy dissapator build with them. That's what I had in mind too. Top charging upper, a1 stock/pg, 16 in barrel, birdcage fh, prototype fsb...etc, all done in the special magic brown paint. 
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Posted: 10/17/2011 11:42:22 AM EDT
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You guys make me smile
At some point I'm going to do a fantasy dissapator build with them. That's what I had in mind too. Top charging upper, a1 stock/pg, 16 in barrel, birdcage fh, prototype fsb...etc, all done in the special magic brown paint. John Thomas will be buying a new BMW with all the "special brown paint" business he is going to be getting from this. That is fine with me because he does great work, has great service and deserves the business. Our buddies from NoDak deserve our business also because they are doing a great job meeting our needs. Harlan told me on the phone that the FSB is a go project for early next year. |
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Posted: 10/17/2011 11:53:02 AM EDT
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You guys make me smile
At some point I'm going to do a fantasy dissapator build with them. That's what I had in mind too. Top charging upper, a1 stock/pg, 16 in barrel, birdcage fh, prototype fsb...etc, all done in the special magic brown paint. John Thomas will be buying a new BMW with all the "special brown paint" business he is going to be getting from this. That is fine with me because he does great work, has great service and deserves the business. Our buddies from NoDak deserve our business also because they are doing a great job meeting our needs. Harlan told me on the phone that the FSB is a go project for early next year. That's good news, but what am I going to do with the extra upper in the meantime...I mean, I can't wait that long...well, crap, there's another rifle already. 
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Posted: 10/17/2011 1:08:14 PM EDT
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Drat I forgot...
I'll have to call tomorrow. Hope there are some left.
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Posted: 10/17/2011 1:29:48 PM EDT
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hmm...just scanned the NDS site and didn't see the HG's or a price for them listed yet
how much $$ are they going for? |
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Posted: 10/17/2011 1:45:12 PM EDT
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hmm...just scanned the NDS site and didn't see the HG's or a price for them listed yet how much $$ are they going for? Part # NDS-43 Price: Qty 1: $35 + $6 shipping |
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Posted: 10/17/2011 1:49:19 PM EDT
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hmm...just scanned the NDS site and didn't see the HG's or a price for them listed yet how much $$ are they going for? Refresh your page, they are next to the NDS-32 |
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Posted: 10/17/2011 1:53:49 PM EDT
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I'll be waiting impatiently for Big Brown to park out front.
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Posted: 10/17/2011 1:54:20 PM EDT
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hmm...just scanned the NDS site and didn't see the HG's or a price for them listed yet how much $$ are they going for? http://www.nodakspud.com/AR%20Lowers.htm your browser may be cached. hit ctrl + f5 
NDS-43 Brown "Prototype" Handguards New made rifle length handguards for your replica Prototype builds. These handguards require changing your triangular rifle handguard cap to a round "carbine" style. A .625" dia. cap is included. These handguards DO NOT come with heat shields. We have no plans to offer any. Part # NDS-43 Price: Qty 1: $35 + $6 shipping Qty 2 or more: $30 each (shipping on qty 2 is $8) Call or email for shipping quotes on orders of 3+ Status: in stock / ready to ship Shipping is free (1-2 sets) if purchased with ANY of our receivers. |
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Posted: 10/17/2011 2:32:55 PM EDT
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I am so in for a set of these.
Any chance in getting a set of furniture (handguard/pistol grip/buttstock)by John or anyone in a 607 length? |
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Posted: 10/17/2011 3:09:03 PM EDT
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I hit refresh, and I can see them now
ETA: mike did you get a chance to try the A2 heat shields? |
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Posted: 10/17/2011 5:47:22 PM EDT
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I hit refresh, and I can see them now
ETA: mike did you get a chance to try the A2 heat shields? The standard A2 is on the left, NDS-43 middle, and Cav Arms on the right. 
I think that neither heat shield will line up with the vent holes very well, and the A2 has no anchor point for the rear tabs. The Cav Arms is a better choice for mods because of the full length tab on each side. The ribs will have to be notched for the shields also. A dremel with the little round saw blade works well. IMO, If a guy wanted to make something that looked good he should start from scratch. |
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Posted: 10/17/2011 6:01:07 PM EDT
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I hit refresh, and I can see them now
ETA: mike did you get a chance to try the A2 heat shields? The standard A2 is on the left, NDS-43 middle, and Cav Arms on the right. http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/heat_shields.jpg I think that neither heat shield will line up with the vent holes very well, and the A2 has no anchor point for the rear tabs. The Cav Arms is a better choice for mods because of the full length tab on each side. The ribs will have to be notched for the shields also. A dremel with the little round saw blade works well. IMO, If a guy wanted to make something that looked good he should start from scratch. since the vent holes are in the front half, you might be able to turn the cavalary arms heatshields around and drill new holes to match the vent holes. still a lot of work for something that shouldn't be an issue for most people. |
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Posted: 10/17/2011 7:02:32 PM EDT
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Hit! Don't know what I'm building yet, but I'm building something. Hahaha! That is where I am at! The only certain things are the brown handguards, trigger charging upper, and my NDS-601 lower. Maybe a dissapator with a muzzle brake of some sort like some of the others are talking about. |
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Posted: 10/17/2011 7:13:22 PM EDT
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Hit! Don't know what I'm building yet, but I'm building something. Hahaha! That is where I am at! The only certain things are the brown handguards, trigger charging upper, and my NDS-601 lower. Maybe a dissapator with a muzzle brake of some sort like some of the others are talking about. I like the way you think. 
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Posted: 10/17/2011 7:24:54 PM EDT
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Called to order one this afternoon. When Harlan told me how much they were, I ended up ordering two. I was looking forward to them being a lot higher priced than they are. My first thought about what to do with the second set was "22-LR Prototype." Now ain't that just what I need, yet another project.
I don't seem to be in that "the guy who dies with the most toys wins" rat race. I'm in the "most unfinished projects" rat race. I think I will box up the second set and bury them far, far back in with all the other miscellaneous gun stuff and hopefully forget they're there. |
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Posted: 10/18/2011 5:37:09 AM EDT
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Hmmm, can we arrange direct shipping of our handguard to John Thomas?
I imagine many will be headed that way. I don't see why not. That is not a problem on my end, for those who wish to do so. Some "teaser" pictures are below: John Thomas http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h53/jntmjt1/P1200471.jpg http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h53/jntmjt1/P1200477.jpg http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h53/jntmjt1/P1200468.jpg The forearms,are they made from "Fibrite";plastic;painted over,what is used to get the bakelite effect? Thank you. |
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Posted: 10/18/2011 8:44:50 AM EDT
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AWESOME. I had a set on backorder from Armalite for over a year.....was given a set & gave up on the project & passed them along.....hmm, maybe I do need a prototype after all?
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Posted: 10/18/2011 11:52:22 AM EDT
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Hmmm, can we arrange direct shipping of our handguard to John Thomas?
I imagine many will be headed that way. I don't see why not. That is not a problem on my end, for those who wish to do so. Some "teaser" pictures are below: John Thomas http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h53/jntmjt1/P1200471.jpg http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h53/jntmjt1/P1200477.jpg http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h53/jntmjt1/P1200468.jpg The forearms,are they made from "Fibrite";plastic;painted over,what is used to get the bakelite effect? Thank you. "Fiberite":......Not Hardly JT does a Nice "paint Job" re-creation of the mottled brown originals. |
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Posted: 10/18/2011 2:16:47 PM EDT
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The AR10b handguards are ok but this is what everyone wants and those aint it.
Sorry |
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Posted: 10/18/2011 3:15:42 PM EDT
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The AR10b handguards are ok but this is what everyone wants and those aint it. http://bellsouthpwp.net/d/m/dmshannon/proto-sp1-2.jpg Sorry Yes, just rub all that original goodness in our collective faces. 
I've got an idea on how to make them look closer in the back end. Stay tuned. |
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Posted: 10/18/2011 3:24:18 PM EDT
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Damn it.Forgot to order mine today.Will call tomorrow.
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Posted: 10/18/2011 4:07:53 PM EDT
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The AR10b handguards are ok but this is what everyone wants and those aint it. http://bellsouthpwp.net/d/m/dmshannon/proto-sp1-2.jpg Sorry We will take what we can get and like it!!!! |
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Posted: 10/18/2011 4:48:00 PM EDT
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The forearms,are they made from "Fibrite";plastic;painted over,what is used to get the bakelite effect? Armeiro, my impression is that the prototype guards were made with a chopper gun and a one-sided (exterior) female mold. Without seeing the inside of the original proto guards. That said, other prototype parts I've seen appear to be hand-laid-up fiberglass unidirectional cloth (probably two layers at 45º), again in a female mold, but that's only my opinion. The buttstocks may have been formed over a foam core. John Thomas's mottled brown finish appears to have been done with paint. I have a weapon with a buttstock and grip that he did in this style and it is attractive and appears durable, but I have not put that rifle to any real torture testing. It mostly lies around looking pretty. |
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Posted: 10/18/2011 7:02:54 PM EDT
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The AR10b handguards are ok but this is what everyone wants and those aint it. http://bellsouthpwp.net/d/m/dmshannon/proto-sp1-2.jpg Sorry Yes, just rub all that original goodness in our collective faces.
I've got an idea on how to make them look closer in the back end. Stay tuned. That ain't what he's rubbing, Mike......... I told your buddy Harlan $35 was a lot less than I was looking forward to paying, and am darn grateful for your efforting. |
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Posted: 10/19/2011 5:57:46 AM EDT
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You wanna go really "off the walls," who's gonna make a prototype in .222 REM?
~Augee |
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Posted: 10/19/2011 6:02:50 AM EDT
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I was considering it...
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Posted: 10/19/2011 6:21:53 AM EDT
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You wanna go really "off the walls," who's gonna make a prototype in .222 REM?
~Augee Pardon my ignorance, but would that use the same bolt as a .223 gun? |
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Posted: 10/19/2011 8:19:50 AM EDT
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Yes
ETA: IIRC they made some for export to Italy |
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Posted: 10/19/2011 8:25:40 AM EDT
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There was a 222-chambered and factory marked SP-1 for sale at numerous gun shows in the Wichita area for years. And may still be for all I know.
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Posted: 10/19/2011 10:57:05 AM EDT
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There was a 222-chambered and factory marked SP-1 for sale at numerous gun shows in the Wichita area for years. And may still be for all I know. I have seen one from the same vendor at several gunshows here in Central Florida. He wants a pretty penny for it and that is why it hasn't sold yet. I forget how much he is asking for it but I was thinking is about 30% more than it was really worth. |
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Posted: 10/19/2011 11:02:49 AM EDT
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Yes ETA: IIRC they made some for export to Italy Thanks.
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Posted: 10/19/2011 12:30:02 PM EDT
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I didn't know you guys were at Knob Creek last weekend.
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Posted: 10/19/2011 1:24:26 PM EDT
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The AR10b handguards are ok but this is what everyone wants and those aint it. http://bellsouthpwp.net/d/m/dmshannon/proto-sp1-2.jpg Sorry We will take what we can get and like it!!!! Take what you can get just dont settle, I'm continually suprised at the stuff that shows up to those who are willing to put in the leg work. However being resourceful and willing to try something, fail try it again, get closer, try again, revel in success. I bet one could pick up a Smithy all in one wood lathe cheap. Note the bakelite inserts back and front, original stuff. 
NDS - you guys are my heros the AR10b HGs look great on an any A1, please make me a 601 lower w/o the mag stop slot, I can't go for a hundred but I probably could for 25. What did ya'll decide on the FSB? |
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Posted: 10/19/2011 3:09:19 PM EDT
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We are going to do the FSB, it just might take a bit. We have a lot of stuff lined up for the CNC right now.
By the "mag stop slot" to you mean the mag catch slot? Or do you mean the bolt hold open slot? Cause I think I know where you're going, and I've already been looking at doing a true Prototype lower. We would probably do it from billet because blending the left side after we cut that stuff off would be a huge PITA for me. |
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Posted: 10/19/2011 3:31:45 PM EDT
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Cause I think I know where you're going, and I've already been looking at doing a true Prototype lower. +1 on that! Would you consider not putting any markings on the magwell so we can have them marked exactly like the originals? Even better, is it possible to put the required markings in an even less conspicuous location - under the grip, front of the magwell, etc? |
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Posted: 10/19/2011 3:38:07 PM EDT
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How negotiable (with ATF) is the placement of required engravings?
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Posted: 10/19/2011 3:44:57 PM EDT
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blending the left side after we cut that stuff off would be a huge PITA for me.
Maybe sell them in the white and let us blend them? = <$$$ Maybe this is the time to leave the FCG uncut and sell as unfinished due to the marking requests. |
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Posted: 10/19/2011 3:51:44 PM EDT
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We are going to do the FSB, it just might take a bit. We have a lot of stuff lined up for the CNC right now. By the "mag stop slot" to you mean the mag catch slot? Or do you mean the bolt hold open slot? I think he means the channel on the left inside wall of the mag well. Under the raised hump on the left side of the mag. The lack of material in that area makes it difficult to do a DIY lower out of one of your standard 601 lowers. If you guys do decide to go through with it, I've got plenty of reference I'd be more than happy to share.
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Posted: 10/19/2011 3:57:28 PM EDT
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blending the left side after we cut that stuff off would be a huge PITA for me.
Maybe sell them in the white and let us blend them? = <$$$ +1, I don't think you can get the effect we're looking for from a billet. Just pull my 601 out of the vice while the mag catch slot is cut, I'd like it in the white plaese. |
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Posted: 10/19/2011 4:26:21 PM EDT
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There was a 222-chambered and factory marked SP-1 for sale at numerous gun shows in the Wichita area for years. And may still be for all I know. I have seen one from the same vendor at several gunshows here in Central Florida. He wants a pretty penny for it and that is why it hasn't sold yet. I forget how much he is asking for it but I was thinking is about 30% more than it was really worth. This one was slightly south of 2-K if-n I recall correctly. One lookit the price tag and I lost all interest. I suppose all those folks who call the AR-15/223 a poodle shooter would call one in 222 a poody cat shooter.......... |
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Posted: 10/19/2011 7:33:31 PM EDT
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I see my Christmas budget is starting to shrink suddenly from reading this thread...
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Posted: 10/19/2011 9:44:33 PM EDT
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I've thought about a .222 Remington for the simple benefits of being able to magazine-load the long, VLD-type bullets such as the 75gr AMAX, 80gr Berger VLD, and so forth. The rifle needs to be run with an optic though, which presents a challenge if using the original charge handle system.
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Posted: 10/20/2011 1:32:41 PM EDT
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Well, I just got two on order and just had to get two of those waffle mags too. Hey Mike and Harlan! Have you guys thought of making a prototype 25rd magazine? I would bet that with all this prototype stuff your bringing to market, that people would buy a 25rd prototype magazine from you guys.
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