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Posted: 11/13/2012 9:01:00 PM EDT
I did a Google search and couldn't really find much if anything. I wonder if anyone here in the know has any details on the rifle. Thus far, I've figured out it was an HK416 with the Geissele SMR on them, but don't know which barrel length, muzzle device, etc. I've seen some builds that look like they may be decent clones? I'm looking at doing an HK faux-16 build, as a $4000 upper is out of my price range right now. Not interested in a sporterized, proprietary "because you suck and we hate you" version - the MR556 either.
Second question: Who makes a HK-style pictogram marked lower with minimal roll marks? |
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Posted: 11/13/2012 9:05:47 PM EDT
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I think most modern AR makers use lowers with pictogram selectors, the trick is to find one that makes the magwell in the particular angle that HK uses on their 416s.
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Posted: 11/13/2012 9:08:36 PM EDT
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Where'd you hear that they use the Geissele rail? It's been the standard rail in all the pics I've seen...
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Posted: 11/13/2012 9:20:24 PM EDT
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They use 10.5s, ATPIALs and Elcans. Most don't have iron sights. AAC M4-2000 can. The pictures I've seen had the standard rail. Not sure who the SMR was developed for.
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Posted: 11/13/2012 9:42:45 PM EDT
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Where'd you hear that they use the Geissele rail? It's been the standard rail in all the pics I've seen... SMGlee said this in one of his videos. I think it has also been posted here and other forums that they are switching to the Geissele rail. There's no way Bill Geissele would make and sell a rail for the 10 HK 416 uppers in civilian hands. The 416 version is completely different from the AR15 version. Video. |
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Posted: 11/13/2012 11:54:02 PM EDT
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Quoted: Chen said "rumor has it." Further, the Geissle rail was introduced at last year's SHOT show. Not sure how many could have been bought since then.Quoted: Where'd you hear that they use the Geissele rail? It's been the standard rail in all the pics I've seen... SMGlee said this in one of his videos. I think it has also been posted here and other forums that they are switching to the Geissele rail. There's no way Bill Geissele would make and sell a rail for the 10 HK 416 uppers in civilian hands. The 416 version is completely different from the AR15 version. Video. ETA - he's a cool dude. Contact him through a forum PM and ask what he knows. ETA 2 - the book No Easy Day, about the UBL raid, has a pretty good description of the HK 416s issued to the author, complete with desert camo pics. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/585401_.html |
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Posted: 11/14/2012 5:57:58 AM EDT
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I did a Google search and couldn't really find much if anything. I wonder if anyone here in the know has any details on the rifle. Thus far, I've figured out it was an HK416 with the Geissele SMR on them, but don't know which barrel length, muzzle device, etc. I've seen some builds that look like they may be decent clones? I'm looking at doing an HK faux-16 build, as a $4000 upper is out of my price range right now. Not interested in a sporterized, proprietary "because you suck and we hate you" version - the MR556 either. Most pics that I've seen, of what seam to be "real-deal" operators with these guns, show 10.4" barrels, AAC, Surefire, or KAC for the cans, and Eotechs for optics. I've owned multiple real 416 uppers, and an MR556. The barrel is the only difference between the two that matters, and the MR556 barrel profile can be turned to match that of the 416 if desired. Also, the MR556 is no more proprietary than the real 416 is. If you build this faux-416 using anything other than Hk 416 or MR556 uppers, you're going to be building a lesser quality and less durable weapon that is not even close to a 416...just because you don't want to use the civilian MR556 model. The sporterized, proprietary "because you suck and we hate you" version is still better than anything else you're going to find out there for this build. |
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Posted: 11/14/2012 7:13:51 AM EDT
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The standard individual rifle for U.S. Navy Special Warfare is the M4A1 in 14.5" and 10.3" barrel lengths with the SOPMOD accessory kit.
However, if there were to be some HK416s in use IVO NSW, more common configurations might look something like: -10.4" and 14.5" barrels with standard H&K rail systems -EOTech 551, 552, or 553 HWS with A65 reticules, sometimes with 3x magnifiers, possibly NF scopes with 14.5" barrels. SU-230/PVS, and SU-232/PAS all possibilities. -Surefire M600s, many on S&S Precision offset mounts (among others) -KAC M4 flip up front BUIS and ARMS #40L rear BUIS if irons are present -KAC M4QD, B.E. Meyers, or AAC 18 or 51 tooth Blackout muzzle devices with appropriate suppressors -TD BVG46 or ITI vertical foregrips -LA-5/PEQ ATPIAL -LMT SOPMOD or MagPul CTR stocks with Garmin Foretrex GPS mounted on the stock -Tango Down pistol grips common This is, however, strictly hypothetical. ~Augee |
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Posted: 11/14/2012 8:09:15 AM EDT
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The standard individual rifle for U.S. Navy Special Warfare is the M4A1 in 14.5" and 10.3" barrel lengths with the SOPMOD accessory kit. However, if there were to be some HK416s in use IVO NSW, more common configurations might look something like: -10.4" and 14.5" barrels with standard H&K rail systems -EOTech 551, 552, or 553 HWS with A65 reticules, sometimes with 3x magnifiers, possibly NF scopes with 14.5" barrels. SU-230/PVS, and SU-232/PAS all possibilities. -Surefire M600s, many on S&S Precision offset mounts (among others) -KAC M4 flip up front BUIS and ARMS #40L rear BUIS if irons are present -KAC M4QD, B.E. Meyers, or AAC 18 or 51 tooth Blackout muzzle devices with appropriate suppressors -TD BVG46 or ITI vertical foregrips -LA-5/PEQ ATPIAL -LMT SOPMOD or MagPul CTR stocks with Garmin Foretrex GPS mounted on the stock -Tango Down pistol grips common This is, however, strictly hypothetical. ~Augee I was thinking about that earlier, I think the OP might have meant DEVGRU... |
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Posted: 11/14/2012 8:22:28 AM EDT
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My friend is a SEAL... he was stationed in Kenya and while he was there he was running the 10.whatever"... EOTech 552... and that was really all I could tell from the pic since it was on his dad's 10 year old cell phone. I haven't asked him about it and don't even know where he is now.
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Posted: 11/14/2012 8:22:39 AM EDT
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The standard individual rifle for U.S. Navy Special Warfare is the M4A1 in 14.5" and 10.3" barrel lengths with the SOPMOD accessory kit. However, if there were to be some HK416s in use IVO NSW, more common configurations might look something like: -10.4" and 14.5" barrels with standard H&K rail systems -EOTech 551, 552, or 553 HWS with A65 reticules, sometimes with 3x magnifiers, possibly NF scopes with 14.5" barrels. SU-230/PVS, and SU-232/PAS all possibilities. -Surefire M600s, many on S&S Precision offset mounts (among others) -KAC M4 flip up front BUIS and ARMS #40L rear BUIS if irons are present -KAC M4QD, B.E. Meyers, or AAC 18 or 51 tooth Blackout muzzle devices with appropriate suppressors -TD BVG46 or ITI vertical foregrips -LA-5/PEQ ATPIAL -LMT SOPMOD or MagPul CTR stocks with Garmin Foretrex GPS mounted on the stock -Tango Down pistol grips common This is, however, strictly hypothetical. ~Augee ...or some have used the GG&G MAD sight. |
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Posted: 11/14/2012 1:03:57 PM EDT
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Mark Owen writes in No Easy Day, The Firsthand Account Of The Mission That Killed Osama Bin Laden about his weapons of choice on Pg 44 &45.
"My primary weapon that I used daily was a suppressed H&K 416 with the ten inch barrel and an EOTech optical red dot sight with a 3X magnifier. My H&K 416 with a fourteen inch barrel I set up for long range shooting. It was also suppressed and on top I mounted a 2.5x10 Nightforce scope." He also mentions that he carried an HK MP7 on a few missions and preferred his HK 45 C to a P226. Great book, ya'll would enjoy reading it. I highly recommend it. 
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Posted: 11/14/2012 1:39:46 PM EDT
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Mark Owen writes in No Easy Day, The Firsthand Account Of The Mission That Killed Osama Bin Laden about his weapons of choice on Pg 44 &45. "My primary weapon that I used daily was a suppressed H&K 416 with the ten inch barrel and an EOTech optical red dot sight with a 3X magnifier. My H&K 416 with a fourteen inch barrel I set up for long range shooting. It was also suppressed and on top I mounted a 2.5x10 Nightforce scope." He also mentions that he carried an HK MP7 on a few missions and preferred his HK 45 C to a P226. Great book, ya'll would enjoy reading it. I highly recommend it.
His weapons. The cut down grenade launcher seems awesome. 
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Posted: 11/14/2012 3:06:42 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/14/2012 5:31:18 PM EDT
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I did a Google search and couldn't really find much if anything. I wonder if anyone here in the know has any details on the rifle. Thus far, I've figured out it was an HK416 with the Geissele SMR on them, but don't know which barrel length, muzzle device, etc. I've seen some builds that look like they may be decent clones? I'm looking at doing an HK faux-16 build, as a $4000 upper is out of my price range right now. Not interested in a sporterized, proprietary "because you suck and we hate you" version - the MR556 either. $4000.00 upper? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!  
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Posted: 11/14/2012 6:30:21 PM EDT
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Yeah in No Easy Day he explains that the guys in DEVGRU have dedicated armorers that customize and build up anything they want. The 416 is probably the standard starting gun but it's possible that they are using other stuff too. Oh and that picture is straight out of the book. It is his gear.
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Posted: 11/15/2012 4:06:04 PM EDT
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I did a Google search and couldn't really find much if anything. I wonder if anyone here in the know has any details on the rifle. Thus far, I've figured out it was an HK416 with the Geissele SMR on them, but don't know which barrel length, muzzle device, etc. I've seen some builds that look like they may be decent clones? I'm looking at doing an HK faux-16 build, as a $4000 upper is out of my price range right now. Not interested in a sporterized, proprietary "because you suck and we hate you" version - the MR556 either. http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm157/HKforFREEDOM/HKs/IMG_1907.jpg http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9msaula5J1qzibzio1_1280.jpg Second question: Who makes a HK-style pictogram marked lower with minimal roll marks? 
You want an HK416? Get an MR556, have the bbl reprofiled, and BOOM civilian 416. Same operating system, same construction, furniture, etc... The only differences between the 416 and the MR556 is the takedown pins, bbl profile and lining, and a tab on the receiver extension (required for ATF importability). You can get a brand new 416-ized MR556 for ~$2500. Much better than a beat to hell $4K 416 from some SWAT team. As for the Geiselle rail, that's a very new product unseen in the wild. Here's a picture of a Devgru Assaulter's weapon case 
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Posted: 11/15/2012 5:47:57 PM EDT
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I did a Google search and couldn't really find much if anything. I wonder if anyone here in the know has any details on the rifle. Thus far, I've figured out it was an HK416 with the Geissele SMR on them, but don't know which barrel length, muzzle device, etc. I've seen some builds that look like they may be decent clones? I'm looking at doing an HK faux-16 build, as a $4000 upper is out of my price range right now. Not interested in a sporterized, proprietary "because you suck and we hate you" version - the MR556 either. http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm157/HKforFREEDOM/HKs/IMG_1907.jpg http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9msaula5J1qzibzio1_1280.jpg Second question: Who makes a HK-style pictogram marked lower with minimal roll marks?
You want an HK416? Get an MR556, have the bbl reprofiled, and BOOM civilian 416. Same operating system, same construction, furniture, etc... The only differences between the 416 and the MR556 is the takedown pins, bbl profile and lining, and a tab on the receiver extension (required for ATF importability). You can get a brand new 416-ized MR556 for ~$2500. Much better than a beat to hell $4K 416 from some SWAT team. As for the Geiselle rail, that's a very new product unseen in the wild. Here's a picture of a Devgru Assaulter's weapon case http://img830.imageshack.us/img830/7321/56823090981a75a13411b.jpg To be fair it has been on some of the recent gun rags about the recent SEAL exploits. These appeared to be pictures of training exercises (due to the BFAs they were wearing) but evidently they are running them in some form or fashion. |
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Posted: 11/17/2012 8:22:23 AM EDT
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You want an HK416? Get an MR556, have the bbl reprofiled, and BOOM civilian 416. Same operating system, same construction, furniture, etc... The only differences between the 416 and the MR556 is the takedown pins, bbl profile and lining, and a tab on the receiver extension (required for ATF importability). You can get a brand new 416-ized MR556 for ~$2500. Much better than a beat to hell $4K 416 from some SWAT team. There are no new $2,500 MR556's available till sometime next year, maybe. The best you can do is buy one on Gunbroker, if you can find one. |
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Posted: 11/17/2012 8:35:23 AM EDT
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You want an HK416? Get an MR556, have the bbl reprofiled, and BOOM civilian 416. Same operating system, same construction, furniture, etc... The only differences between the 416 and the MR556 is the takedown pins, bbl profile and lining, and a tab on the receiver extension (required for ATF importability). You can get a brand new 416-ized MR556 for ~$2500. Much better than a beat to hell $4K 416 from some SWAT team. There are no new $2,500 MR556's available till sometime next year, maybe. The best you can do is buy one on Gunbroker, if you can find one. Really? Haven't followed the specific MR556 market in a few months. Still, a MR556A1 uppers on GB are ~$2K right now. Still a better option than a beat to hell used 416 upper IMO. |
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Posted: 11/17/2012 8:39:19 AM EDT
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I have a 14.5 coming and I'll be using the new Geisseille rail for it. I'm only grabbing it because its cheap because a department fucked up and got 14.5's instead of 10.5's so they are getting rid of the uppers as soon as the 10.5's show up.
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Posted: 11/17/2012 8:58:47 AM EDT
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I thought the Geissele rail was made for the HK shooting team?
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Posted: 11/17/2012 9:12:23 AM EDT
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I did a Google search and couldn't really find much if anything. I wonder if anyone here in the know has any details on the rifle. Thus far, I've figured out it was an HK416 with the Geissele SMR on them, but don't know which barrel length, muzzle device, etc. I've seen some builds that look like they may be decent clones? I'm looking at doing an HK faux-16 build, as a $4000 upper is out of my price range right now. Not interested in a sporterized, proprietary "because you suck and we hate you" version - the MR556 either. http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm157/HKforFREEDOM/HKs/IMG_1907.jpg http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9msaula5J1qzibzio1_1280.jpg Second question: Who makes a HK-style pictogram marked lower with minimal roll marks?
You want an HK416? Get an MR556, have the bbl reprofiled, and BOOM civilian 416. Same operating system, same construction, furniture, etc... The only differences between the 416 and the MR556 is the takedown pins, bbl profile and lining, and a tab on the receiver extension (required for ATF importability). You can get a brand new 416-ized MR556 for ~$2500. Much better than a beat to hell $4K 416 from some SWAT team. As for the Geiselle rail, that's a very new product unseen in the wild. Here's a picture of a Devgru Assaulter's weapon case http://img830.imageshack.us/img830/7321/56823090981a75a13411b.jpg One guy over at M4C got the barrel Nitrided when he had it re-profiled, negating the lack of lining. |
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Posted: 11/17/2012 9:40:23 AM EDT
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I did a Google search and couldn't really find much if anything. I wonder if anyone here in the know has any details on the rifle. Thus far, I've figured out it was an HK416 with the Geissele SMR on them, but don't know which barrel length, muzzle device, etc. I've seen some builds that look like they may be decent clones? I'm looking at doing an HK faux-16 build, as a $4000 upper is out of my price range right now. Not interested in a sporterized, proprietary "because you suck and we hate you" version - the MR556 either. http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm157/HKforFREEDOM/HKs/IMG_1907.jpg http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9msaula5J1qzibzio1_1280.jpg Second question: Who makes a HK-style pictogram marked lower with minimal roll marks?
You want an HK416? Get an MR556, have the bbl reprofiled, and BOOM civilian 416. Same operating system, same construction, furniture, etc... The only differences between the 416 and the MR556 is the takedown pins, bbl profile and lining, and a tab on the receiver extension (required for ATF importability). You can get a brand new 416-ized MR556 for ~$2500. Much better than a beat to hell $4K 416 from some SWAT team. As for the Geiselle rail, that's a very new product unseen in the wild. Here's a picture of a Devgru Assaulter's weapon case http://img830.imageshack.us/img830/7321/56823090981a75a13411b.jpg One guy over at M4C got the barrel Nitrided when he had it re-profiled, negating the lack of lining. I know. IGF seems to be the go-to company for MR556 work and they will send out uppers for nitriding if requested |
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Posted: 11/17/2012 6:33:46 PM EDT
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heh, there is no one model or configuration that the tier1's use. They are all built from almost the ground up per the individuals preference...
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Posted: 11/17/2012 6:40:19 PM EDT
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Your correct. A close friend of mine is large city LE, and ordered one through an LE dealer. He has no delivery date, not even a ballpark guess as to when he can expect it.
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Posted: 11/22/2012 11:39:09 PM EDT
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I went the MR556 route.
Pulled the barrel, removed the extension tab, reprofield, turned to 14.5 (perm flash hider) and had it nitrided. I'm quite happy with it. |
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Posted: 11/22/2012 11:40:12 PM EDT
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DT.
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Posted: 11/25/2012 5:03:08 PM EDT
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Nothing happened.
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Posted: 11/25/2012 7:37:50 PM EDT
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Looks like I should have showed up at Elm Fork today to see this. Nice pic. BTW I still haven't shot the LWRC that I showed you the other day.
Bo |
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Posted: 11/25/2012 8:36:30 PM EDT
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*redacted That's pretty bad ass. |
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Posted: 11/27/2012 10:50:25 PM EDT
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Just out of curiosity, did you ask permission before taking pics and posting them on a public website?
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Posted: 11/27/2012 11:02:57 PM EDT
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Just out of curiosity, did you ask permission before taking pics and posting them on a public website? I asked to take pictures. The pic is of me shooting and not the former operator. I honestly don't know how you could ID someone by a painted rifle. Either way, I found a post he made of his rifle on another forum. |
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Posted: 11/27/2012 11:31:05 PM EDT
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That is a bad ass looking gun.
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Posted: 11/28/2012 3:20:40 AM EDT
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I found the post he made in the other forum too and he didn't seem too happy about it when someone mentioned that his gun was on another forum. I assume he meant this forum unless you have posted pics and the story elsewhere..
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Posted: 11/28/2012 5:47:13 AM EDT
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I found the post he made in the other forum too and he didn't seem too happy about it when someone mentioned that his gun was on another forum. I assume he meant this forum unless you have posted pics and the story elsewhere.. Could you PM me the link? I'll take it down if he doesn't want it up. But if he was, I would assume he would have contacted me by now since we exchanged phone numbers. This is the only forum I've posted it on since I started this thread before ever seeing the unicorn HK416 equipped with a Geissele rail. |
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Posted: 11/28/2012 9:09:30 AM EDT
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The standard individual rifle for U.S. Navy Special Warfare is the M4A1 in 14.5" and 10.3" barrel lengths with the SOPMOD accessory kit. However, if there were to be some HK416s in use IVO NSW, more common configurations might look something like: -10.4" and 14.5" barrels with standard H&K rail systems -EOTech 551, 552, or 553 HWS with A65 reticules, sometimes with 3x magnifiers, possibly NF scopes with 14.5" barrels. SU-230/PVS, and SU-232/PAS all possibilities. -Surefire M600s, many on S&S Precision offset mounts (among others) -KAC M4 flip up front BUIS and ARMS #40L rear BUIS if irons are present -KAC M4QD, B.E. Meyers, or AAC 18 or 51 tooth Blackout muzzle devices with appropriate suppressors -TD BVG46 or ITI vertical foregrips -LA-5/PEQ ATPIAL -LMT SOPMOD or MagPul CTR stocks with Garmin Foretrex GPS mounted on the stock -Tango Down pistol grips common This is, however, strictly hypothetical. ~Augee I've seen a few pics with a GPS unit on the stock. What's that for? I've never considered mounting one to my rifles, but then again I'm about as un-special as they come. |
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Posted: 11/28/2012 11:42:34 AM EDT
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It never hurts to know where you are.
Putting the GPS on the weapon ensures that you almost always have it with you, and some people simply prefer not to have a bunch of stuff hanging off their wrists. It puts it in a convenient place to just glance down and get your location without having much effect on your firing grip or position. There are quite a few reasons within military applications to want to know your pinpoint location, and the Foretrex is an excellent little tool. ~Augee |
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Posted: 11/28/2012 12:35:42 PM EDT
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I keep mine there. I mount it upside down so the when I'm patrolling I can just glance down and get a rough Idea of where I am or shoot a grid over my radio. I break everything on my wrist from Suunto wrist tops to casio G-shocks. A few years back I mounted all my expensive crap on my rifle for transport so I only had to be gentle with one item. It just sort of stuck and became super handy.
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Posted: 11/28/2012 1:14:44 PM EDT
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I worked with a number of those guys in NE Afghanistan in early 2007. At the time, the LMT Sopmod stock and Tangodown grips were common, and as I recall most rifles were shorties. I don't know what kind of rails they had, but the older KAC for grips also seemed common, or the Surefire foregrip with the built in light. I think they used mostly Eotechs, but I can't remember for sure. Almost everyone used single point slings. They seemed to prefer chopped M79s like the one mentioned earlier to other options. The one I recall best had the stock cut off, and then the folding stock from an MP-5K installed upside down, and the guy who used it carried it in a sheath on the side of his pack. I don't recall seeing MP-7s until later in 2007 or 2008. That's not to say that they weren't around - the guys in early 2007 were at that location for a specific mission and didn't bring all their kit.
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