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Link Posted: 2/24/2018 12:28:55 AM EDT
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Saving from the archives.  I need to go back and fix my old phuckitbucket links.
Link Posted: 2/24/2018 1:18:10 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By AFCarbon15:
Saving from the archives.  I need to go back and fix my old phuckitbucket links.
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Thank's, I do both 15's and 10's. I have the Jig from 80% arms but I also have a Smithy mill/drill/lathe with a 3 axis DRO. I got my specs from the Jig and use the mill for the pockets but I use the jig to drill and ream the trigger pin and safety holes. It's just easier to do it that way and they are always dead on the money.
Link Posted: 3/24/2018 11:52:10 AM EDT
[#3]
Updated some of the Google docs.
Link Posted: 4/14/2018 1:14:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: larrys] [#4]
Have my mill all set up and ready to go. DRO installed.

I have several end mills in my cart on EBay as recommended in these threads.

Trying to determine whether to do the trigger and safety holes all the way through from one side or mill FCG pocket first and do those from both sides. Pretty good argument for each it seems.

For those that drill all the way through, what size center starter bit are you using on the trigger pins? 1/8” and then follow with  an 1/8” drill bit? Then step to 5/32 to finish?
What about the safety?

Does the bit chip the anodizing on the bottom side as it comes through? Good drill bit recommendations?

Trying to get as much right as possible for the first try.

Thanks
Link Posted: 4/14/2018 1:52:30 PM EDT
[#5]
I partially drill my pin holes and safety hole before I start milling and actually use them as a gauge while I am doing the milling, I pretty much know where I am by each time I open the pocket up to the holes.  I have done the trigger hole, various ways over the last couple of years, I have drilled all the way through, I have waited until I am about 3/4 way done and I have done them after I have finished milling the pocket.  The last one I did, I did after the pocket was done, I drilled at one end of the slot, moved to the other end of the slot and them moved the mill bed a small amount to open the hole up and touched up with a needle file before putting it together.

As far as chipping have not had that problem on any of the anodized lowers I have done.

Have fun, don't get in a hurry and pay attention and you will do just fine.
Link Posted: 4/14/2018 9:47:41 PM EDT
[Last Edit: AFCarbon15] [#6]
I know it goes against most machining rules, but I drill from each side.  Half way for the safety and a little over 100 thou deep for the hammer/trigger pins.  And I do all of them with carbide end mills.  Any real machinist would tell you 100 things wrong with the approach and how it should be done.  But I've done enough within the limitations of my abilities and my equipment.  I know what works best for me.  After you've tried every way possible, you land on the method that yielded the best results with the highest percentage of success.
Link Posted: 4/15/2018 7:19:22 AM EDT
[#7]
What kind and size of mill bit are you using to bore from both sides?
Link Posted: 4/15/2018 7:49:29 AM EDT
[Last Edit: AFCarbon15] [#8]
I use a 5/32 for the pins and a 3/8 for the safety.  Choke up tight for the pins, clear the chips a lot on the safety, go slow on both.

ETA, no starters, no pilots, just do it.

4 flute carbide for both.  All though, I scored a deal on some 2 flute 3/8 carbide end mills and have tried those with great success.

Again, I do all of this in a mini-mill.  If you're limited to a drill press, you should NOT try this.
Link Posted: 4/17/2018 6:35:26 AM EDT
[Last Edit: larrys] [#9]
Thanks! I may try it both ways and see which works best for me. I’m using a bench type mini mill, but it’s a brute for a bench top.

Where are you all locating from to find center of the receiver? My side plates cover the receiver sides completely but I could Mill some notches to run the edge finder in to the receiver side.
Other options to locate off;  the inside of rear mag well or between front locate pins?

If I run the edge finder onto the sides of the receiver will it mar the anodizing?

Sorry, so many questions!!
Link Posted: 4/17/2018 7:39:18 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By larrys:

I could Mill some notches to run the edge finder in to the receiver side.
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Originally Posted By larrys:

I could Mill some notches to run the edge finder in to the receiver side.
This is exactly what I did.  I locate X off of the front pin, actually drilled a hole over it just for locating purposes, as the pin is barely accessible in the plate.  And travel down to the eye-balled mid point of the FCG pocket to locate Y zero.

Originally Posted By larrys:

If I run the edge finder onto the sides of the receiver will it mar the anodizing?
No, but hit it a few times, probably best practice every time, but I've found a bur or flake of anodizing sticking out here and there accounting for a couple thou.  Usually clear after touching with the edge finder a few times.  Kind of the "measure twice" concept

There are pages and pages on thread after thread on 80%'ers.  If it weren't for all the questions and answers we wouldn't have gotten this far.
Link Posted: 4/17/2018 4:12:12 PM EDT
[#11]
This thread is great.  We're gonna do several at work in the next few weeks.  We have an Enco with an X-Y DRO there.  Should be fun.
Link Posted: 5/14/2018 7:59:17 PM EDT
[#12]
I answer probably 15-20 emails a week based on this post.  If anyone has docs or helpful pictures and would care to share, post them up or email them to me, I'll put them in the OP.  You might be surprised how many people gain the will to jump into this endeavor with the right support.
Link Posted: 5/14/2018 9:48:50 PM EDT
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Great Share OP. I too have been doing 80% for several years now. It's nice to go back and see stuff conveniently cataloged when you forget something. I noticed you used Photoshop. They gave up the ghost with changing their business model to not host images anymore for free. Try imgur.com I've been using it lately, but I tried posting on here in the Classifieds and it didn't work, maybe cause I'm a new member. idk. But non the less great post!!.
Link Posted: 5/14/2018 10:12:56 PM EDT
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I have used postimage.org for quite a while now and it works great.
Link Posted: 5/15/2018 7:30:47 AM EDT
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You can upload images right from your computer now or copy/pasta the location from the web.
Link Posted: 5/15/2018 8:13:20 AM EDT
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Like most of the guys here, years ago we went with photobucket.  Worked great until they F'd us.  Now all the archives threads suck.  I have been going back to my open threads and replacing the photobucket crap.  It's a slow process though.
Link Posted: 8/6/2018 1:54:20 PM EDT
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Anyone take the time to drill undersize and ream to size for the FCG?

Just tossed another 80 in the mill and was thinking about it.

Ive done a couple others and drilled the FCG with a 5/32 drill. And called it good. Haven't had an issue with any of those lowers. But thinking about reaming this one. Just to see if I could notice a difference. Judging by the quality of lower parts I've seen recently I'm think probably not.
Link Posted: 8/6/2018 2:45:14 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 8/6/2018 4:49:46 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By PursuitSS:

I definitely considered do that, but I figured a better and simpler way was use the correct size drill bit and install a Rise RA-140 drop in Trigger with KNS anti rotation/anti walk pins.

Problem solved, I've standardized on this set up for all of my "80%" builds.
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Well I went undersized this time. Gunna see what the extra tight tolerances does if anything.   Only had an hour or so to work but got the fcg drilled out slightly undersized. 0.152" And 0.370" IIRC. Got the lower flipped And ready to mill the FCG pocket. After I milled out I'll ream the selector and trigger holes with the correct sized reamer
Link Posted: 8/6/2018 6:59:22 PM EDT
[#20]
I've drilled under sized and reamed to size.  I didn't notice any better fit than stepping up the the correct size using quality bits.  But, I've settled on using a short carbide end mill, choked up a little with only any inch or so hang out.  I know it's not conventional, but I hit the holes from each side, no through hole.  I do the holes first, then mill the pocket.  I've evolved to this sequence by trial and error.  Since,  I've had great results and see no reason to change.    YMMV.
Link Posted: 9/12/2018 8:43:23 AM EDT
[Last Edit: AFCarbon15] [#21]
Fixed a few more photobucket links and saving from the archives.  I think I'm all caught up on everyone's questions.

ETA:  I can't read.
Link Posted: 12/24/2018 11:32:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: AFCarbon15] [#22]
I need to get some pictures up of my DRO setup.  I'm still using the eBay cheapo's but I finally have TouchDRO running well enough that I haven't gone back to the old displays in about a year now.

ETA:

Wrapped up a few projects in the shop today with enough spare time to clean up a little, so I took some pictures.

Current Mini-mill Setup:
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Close-up of the Samsung tablet running TouchDRO
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The TouchDRO board in an acrylic enclosure I made
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All 3 Axis in one shot (the X axis is heavily guarded as it is the most open)
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Another angle of the "readout" board, being 8ga sheet metal, it makes a great project board holding plans, sketches and drawings with magnets.  
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Link Posted: 12/27/2018 12:37:33 AM EDT
[Last Edit: AFCarbon15] [#23]
I scored this Baldor gear motor.  I think it's about as old as I am and never been used.  I rigged it up as a power feed for my X axis.  At the lowest speed, it doesn't have quite enough power to turn smoothly, but it still does better than I can by hand.   Anything above the lowest speed is very smooth and makes the best cuts possible on my machine.

Control box
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My DIY drive engagement, it uses a 12pt sparkplug socket and a piece of delrin I machined to cradle the cog I attached to the socket.  I didn't get the alignment perfect which I think is the main issue at low speeds.  Some more tinkering when I find the time and it will be perfect, but as is, I'm very happy with it.  
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Link Posted: 2/10/2019 11:49:29 AM EDT
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I bought the Easy-Jig Gen 2 jig and built my first 80% lower recently and it was easier than I could have imagined. I used a Ridgid router which I think I paid $100 for. The Easy-Jig Gen 2 is definitely built to last and was very well designed. The only issue I had was with the router but only because I didn't pay close enough attention when I was getting it all set up. There is a sleeve on the particular router I used which once you adjust your depth properly you are supposed to lock this sleeve in place and mine had too much slack in it leading to some chatter marks in my 80% lower. I eventually realized what was happening and corrected it but it was a little too late for my part. I would recommend buying the guides which are used when drilling the holes for your trigger group... they sell separately and I made the mistake of thinking that they were sold in sets which isn't correct apparently. So if you want one for each side of your jig like I wanted then make sure to order two! I was upset when my order came in only to realize I only got a single piece... I recommend buying two because it there is a little adjustment that must be done when installing them and if your going to make several lowers then it would save you a good bit of time if you only had to set them up once. Overall this new jig is the best thing since sliced bread and I can't wait to build more 80% lowers!

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Link Posted: 7/30/2019 7:05:05 PM EDT
[Last Edit: AFCarbon15] [#25]
From the amount of IM's and emails I get about this thread and 80%'ers in general I get an idea of just how many are inspired to truly build their own ARs.

Build on gents, BUILD ON!
Link Posted: 10/30/2019 1:30:31 PM EDT
[#26]
Just hit 50k views.  Damn the BRD is spreading!
Link Posted: 10/31/2019 11:11:05 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 11/6/2019 10:41:37 AM EDT
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I too have the harbor freight mini-mill and am preparing it for motorized use hopefully full cnc later ( learn G-code ) but would love for you to post the arduino details of your setup.
I have been playing with the arduinos also and have been able to get the nema23 motors moving with a cnc driver shield and grbl with G-Code Sender application but would also like to run the machine manually and not have to use a computer to run the G-code sender app with a wired joystick shield as you have shown in your video you posted.
Any details/wiring info you would like to share would be great. Still have to fab the two end plates/motor mounts for the x-axis and install the new ballscrews.
This has been a fantastic thread to follow and was intrigued by the Touch DRO addition.
Thanks and keep it alive!!
Link Posted: 11/6/2019 8:20:47 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Nitrodog:
I too have the harbor freight mini-mill and am preparing it for motorized use hopefully full cnc later ( learn G-code ) but would love for you to post the arduino details of your setup.
I have been playing with the arduinos also and have been able to get the nema23 motors moving with a cnc driver shield and grbl with G-Code Sender application but would also like to run the machine manually and not have to use a computer to run the G-code sender app with a wired joystick shield as you have shown in your video you posted.
Any details/wiring info you would like to share would be great. Still have to fab the two end plates/motor mounts for the x-axis and install the new ballscrews.
This has been a fantastic thread to follow and was intrigued by the Touch DRO addition.
Thanks and keep it alive!!
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It's been a while since I've dug into the Arduino codes I used back then.  I was asked about it a bunch when I first posted about it.  So I'll dig through some of old messages and see what I can get for you.  I'm sure I have it all.  Even many versions.  Be aware. Coding is as addictive as building and machining.

A side note, I often thought of semi-automated conversion to a manual mini-mill, but using Arduino/Raspberry Pi and cheap DRO's as feedback driven positioning instead of ball screws and encoded servo drives.
Think basic operations codes like circles or corner rounding with a radius input.  Maybe slotting, peck or chain drilling.  Even engraving.  Expandable of course.  Similar to the CNC predecessors, but on cheap benchtop machines using embedded coding options.  Possibilities are endless.  My time however is not.
Link Posted: 11/22/2019 12:29:54 PM EDT
[#30]
Originally Posted By AFCarbon15:
...  I had absolutely zero experience when I started.
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Me too...

Here's some data I've comprised that helps me through the process.  This is by no means the end all be all of the process.  I am no machinist.  Mostly it just works for me.

This is my tool path for the FCG pocket.  It is a slight variation of one I found somewhere online.  The front take down pin is X zero, to locate, if I don't use a jig, I just put a 1/4" pin or drill bit in the hole and locate each side to calculate center.  I usually use a jig though, which I drilled a hole at center of the pin off to the side so I can locate that hole.  I'll post pictures later, it will make more sense.  I center on the lower itself for Y, usually right in the middle of the FCG pocket area.  The measurements are for the tool path of a 7/16 end mill.  I've see variations for 3/8 and 1/4.  But 7/16 seems to provide in the best radius.  Perhaps others have more insight on other sizes.
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I'm no machinist, but I have access to a Bridgeport and a good machinist friend... Thanks for this! The way you broke it down, it's very understandable. I can't believe I almost used a router!

Excellent post. Thanks again.
Link Posted: 1/19/2020 9:59:44 PM EDT
[#31]
One of these days I’ll get to an 80
Link Posted: 1/21/2020 8:52:20 AM EDT
[#32]
This thread is a major inspiration.

I see a 5D Tactical jig in my near future...
Link Posted: 2/19/2020 9:06:44 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By PursuitSS:
As we get nearer to election time, I think we will see a huge increase in interest on finishing “80%” lowers.
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Climates like Virginia have lit fires under the asses of many.

Fixed some photobucket links too.
Link Posted: 4/11/2020 5:40:29 PM EDT
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Climates like Virginia have lit fires under the asses of many.  

Fixed some photobucket links too.
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That and what they are trying to do here in PA by changing the classifications on 80% lowers. That is what has me interested. That and getting clone correct markings lol
Link Posted: 12/21/2020 8:35:37 AM EDT
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bumping to save from archives
Link Posted: 12/21/2020 11:58:55 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 12/21/2020 12:23:58 PM EDT
[Last Edit: PursuitSS] [#37]
Good bump.

Bumping is NOT necessary!
Link Posted: 12/21/2020 1:28:36 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By allensaldi:


That and what they are trying to do here in PA by changing the classifications on 80% lowers. That is what has me interested. That and getting clone correct markings lol
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What's the status on CA lawsuit asking Fed judge to force ATF to word-smith yet again to make 80% illegal?

Link Posted: 12/21/2020 10:35:21 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By PursuitSS:
This thread doesn’t go to the archives!
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Many thanks to PursuitSS and the other moderators.
Link Posted: 12/24/2020 9:52:35 AM EDT
[#40]
Is clamping the trigger guard ears (with the bottom of the FCG area almost resting on the vice's top surface) sufficient for 80% Andersons,  etc? I used to do that for 0% forgings, but I would cut the trigger guard slot last to save a lot of that material. My vise is obviously not very tall.

I noticed there's also a proof mark in the forging there, which is pretty prominent.

Maybe grab the pistol grip boss instead and take 0.3" passes?

Kharn
Link Posted: 12/24/2020 10:54:21 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Kharn:
Is clamping the trigger guard ears (with the bottom of the FCG area almost resting on the vice's top surface) sufficient for 80% Andersons,  etc? I used to do that for 0% forgings, but I would cut the trigger guard slot last to save a lot of that material. My vise is obviously not very tall.

I noticed there's also a proof mark in the forging there, which is pretty prominent.

Maybe grab the pistol grip boss instead and take 0.3" passes?

Kharn
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I made a few remedial fixtures for clamping near the trigger area.   One thing about mini mills, is you can't take heavy cuts anyway, so your work holding doesn't always have to be the best.  That said, I've have plenty of parts nearly ruined from coming loose.

I'll try to get some pics of those fixtures.
Link Posted: 12/24/2020 11:17:51 AM EDT
[#42]
I have a 16" mill/drill from good ol' Enco, it's big enough to drill and tap a buffer tube. I forget the exact power rating, but it's either a 20amp or 220 circuit I had to run for it. My vice is just short. (That's what she said)  

I guess I could clamp it horizontally to my 4" 90 degree block, and mill a piece of scrap to raise my parallels high enough to give it a level reference. Not like the FCG pocket needs 0.0005" precision. A billet lower with a curved integral trigger guard would be a bit tougher, maybe 3d print a short riser for it to sit on that references the pistol grip boss and the inside of the magazine well so the lower can't rotate relative to the riser.

Kharn
Link Posted: 12/31/2020 1:16:49 PM EDT
[#43]
Anyone know which thread had some info on the different endmill bits for the 5D router jig?  I had one saved in Amazon, but it's OOS & ones to specific sites I had bookmarked seem to have disappeared.  I know there was a thread (or 2+) that mentions some, but damned if I can find them.
Link Posted: 12/31/2020 1:25:44 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Wangstang] [#44]
HTC-100-3312

https://www.the-carbide-end-mill-store.com/m5/100-3312--5-16-square-end-mill-stub-length-htc-100-3312-3-flute-gp-30.html



Description:
Carbide Square End Mill Stub Length, 5/16" x 1/2" x 2", 3 Flute, Uncoated, General Purpose, 30
Dimensions: DIA=5/16" FL=1/2" OAL=2" SHK=5/16"
Brand: HTC
Series: HTC100
General Purpose


Diameter Information
Cutter Diameter: 0.3125 5/16"
Diameter Tolerance: +.000" -.002"
OD Grind: Standard



Shank Information
Shank Diameter: 5/16"
Shank Tolerance: +.0000" -.0005"
Weldon Flats: None



Length Information
Flute Length: 1/2"
Neck Length: N/A
Over All Length: 2"
Length Category: Stub


Fluting Information
Number of Flutes: 3
Helix Angle: 30°
Flute Index: Constant
Cut: Center Cutting Right Hand
Spiral: Right Hand


Coating and End Configuration
Coating: Uncoated
End Type: Single End Square
Corner Radius: N/A
Corner Chamfer or Taper per Side: N/A
Materials Families: All (P, K, M, S, H, N)
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https://www.ar15.com/forums/AR-15/5D-Tactical-Pro-jig-end-mill-service-life-/4-754315/

Those "should" work for the current "Gen3" 80% jig and the current Modulus jig that all use the same "ready mill" style adapter and general design of jig plates.


If you are looking for the older style that were longer and thin:

https://www.ar15.com/forums/AR-15/I-found-a-source-for-specialty-end-mills-for-80-lower-Jigs/4-756796/
Link Posted: 12/31/2020 1:31:31 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Wangstang:
HTC-100-3312

https://www.the-carbide-end-mill-store.com/m5/100-3312--5-16-square-end-mill-stub-length-htc-100-3312-3-flute-gp-30.html



https://www.ar15.com/forums/AR-15/I-found-a-source-for-specialty-end-mills-for-80-lower-Jigs/4-756796/

https://www.ar15.com/forums/AR-15/5D-Tactical-Pro-jig-end-mill-service-life-/4-754315/

Those "should" work for the current "Gen3" 80% jig and the current Modulus jig that all use the same "ready mill" style adapter and general design of jig plates.
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Thanks!  When I went to save one of those links I found out which folder I had them hidden in.  
Link Posted: 12/31/2020 3:34:15 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Millennial] [#46]
The first sheet shows full mill pocket cuts (ie: “M16 cut”), the top view is per the colt print and the bottom view is slightly simplified. Obviously, if using an AR15 FCG in an unregistered lower, do NOT drill the third hole. The full mill cut is otherwise 100% legal to use without the third hole drilled.

The second sheet shows AR15 pocket cuts and FCG pin hole placement. I’ve tweaked the pocket dimensions in this to provide more clearance for someone using a Lightning Link.  It provides extra room at the ears as well as more rear lug thickness clearance to prevent binding, impacts, and possible breakage.  This has zero effect on the fit and function when using a plain AR15 FCG and is otherwise unnoticeable to the plain eye.

The third sheet is the same as full mill dimension, except dimension dimensioned on centers.  This style of dimensioning along with that text box assists with milling using DRO or using a CNC mill with conversational programming.  If none of that made sense to you then don’t worry about it.





Link Posted: 1/12/2021 2:39:13 PM EDT
[#47]
Gents, I'm pulling the trigger on building my own but I'm really confused about tooling. if I buy a jig off of 80% Arms or 5D Tactical, do I need to buy their tooling as well? I get the feeling that their drill bits and end mills are cheap chinesium for inflated prices. Would it be easier to order from a place like Grainger or buy in person from a machine shop supply place? What exactly do I need to finish a mil-spec 80% lower?
Link Posted: 1/25/2021 9:16:32 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By SailorAground:
Gents, I'm pulling the trigger on building my own but I'm really confused about tooling. if I buy a jig off of 80% Arms or 5D Tactical, do I need to buy their tooling as well? I get the feeling that their drill bits and end mills are cheap chinesium for inflated prices. Would it be easier to order from a place like Grainger or buy in person from a machine shop supply place? What exactly do I need to finish a mil-spec 80% lower?
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I've been waiting for somebody with router jig experience to respond.  While I can't speak directly to the router jig world, for milling machine tooling, I scour the internet.  MSC, Grainger, ebay, amazon and many others.  For what it's worth, I've had good and bad luck with import tooling.  When it comes to machining, one can easily surpass the machine prices with tooling alone.  



Link Posted: 1/25/2021 11:51:05 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By SailorAground:
Gents, I'm pulling the trigger on building my own but I'm really confused about tooling. if I buy a jig off of 80% Arms or 5D Tactical, do I need to buy their tooling as well? I get the feeling that their drill bits and end mills are cheap chinesium for inflated prices. Would it be easier to order from a place like Grainger or buy in person from a machine shop supply place? What exactly do I need to finish a mil-spec 80% lower?
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If you buy the 80% Arms EZ Jig Gen 3 or the 5D Tactical Pro you will need to buy their end mill, or at least the holder, because they are proprietary.  The drill bits you can supply your own.  Most people say the bits that they supply are crap, even for Chinese made.
Link Posted: 1/30/2021 9:09:47 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By AFCarbon15:


I've been waiting for somebody with router jig experience to respond.  While I can't speak directly to the router jig world, for milling machine tooling, I scour the internet.  MSC, Grainger, ebay, amazon and many others.  For what it's worth, I've had good and bad luck with import tooling.  When it comes to machining, one can easily surpass the machine prices with tooling alone.  



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5D works perfectly.  The router with an end mill they send does great.  I would suggest using a drill press for the drilling holes and not freehand.

Billet receivers cut much easier than forged.  The drill press gets long slivers of Al.  
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