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Posted: 6/20/2023 7:28:49 AM EDT
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I’ve been wanting to do a 5.7 in a TC encore or contender. This info on velocities is pretty impressive https://www.fivesevenforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=5333
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Posted: 6/20/2023 8:58:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rudderbutter: Makes sense, thanks for the detailed response! Have you noticed any difference between the two alloys as far as fragmentation in gel tests? I can't decide if I think the softer alloy would break up more reliably or at lower velocity, or if the harder one would due to brittleness? |
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Posted: 6/20/2023 11:10:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DOG556: I’ve been wanting to do a 5.7 in a TC encore or contender. This info on velocities is pretty impressive https://www.fivesevenforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=5333 https://www.fivesevenforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=5333 If S&W does introduce a folding 5.7x28mm carbine this year that takes the same mags, that makes quite the EDC system if velocities can be kept up high enough in the pistol. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 6/25/2023 1:30:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By backbencher: https://www.fivesevenforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=5333 If S&W does introduce a folding 5.7x28mm carbine this year that takes the same mags, that makes quite the EDC system if velocities can be kept up high enough in the pistol. Yea, that would be interesting... |
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Posted: 6/25/2023 4:31:20 PM EDT
[#5]
Want!
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Posted: 6/25/2023 6:08:21 PM EDT
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I put 200 rounds of the FN Blue box through this S&W today…. flawless!! It’s just so smooth and accurate.
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Posted: 6/28/2023 8:41:56 PM EDT
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I’ve fired SEVERAL more magazines of FN SS198 (Green Tip). I’ve NEVER experienced a malfunction using SS198.
I’m pretty damn sure all of the previous malfunctions were related to using Federal American Eagle ammunition |
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Posted: 6/28/2023 9:07:09 PM EDT
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I bought the M&P 57 and 2 Ruger LC carbines. Love all of them. Very fun light guns. I have a thermal and an Oculus on one of the carbines. Waiting to catch the first pig in my yard.
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USA
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Posted: 6/28/2023 9:38:32 PM EDT
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Has anyone seen FN Red Box at a decent price?
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Posted: 6/28/2023 10:33:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TuskenRaider: I bought the M&P 57 and 2 Ruger LC carbines. Love all of them. Very fun light guns. I have a thermal and an Oculus on one of the carbines. Waiting to catch the first pig in my yard. Please post the ammo & how the pig fared. |
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USA
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Posted: 6/28/2023 10:49:20 PM EDT
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What’s your choice of pig ammo ??
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Posted: 6/28/2023 11:08:39 PM EDT
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 Red Pill or Blue Pill? 5.7x28 Hollow Point Ballistic Gel Test Using The FN PS90! Fn Red vs Blue. Not impressed |
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Posted: 6/28/2023 11:37:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DOG556:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbSkgahZEOQFn Red vs Blue. Not impressed |
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USA
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Posted: 6/28/2023 11:56:01 PM EDT
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So why is the FN Red Box in such high demand. It’s obviously not that great !
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Posted: 6/29/2023 10:03:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DOG556: So why is the FN Red Box in such high demand. It's obviously not that great ! |
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USA
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Posted: 6/30/2023 2:05:11 PM EDT
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Who has the best price right now on the M&P 5.7 with no safety? Exile Did recently have these for $589. But no longer.
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Posted: 6/30/2023 4:22:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DOG556: Who has the best price right now on the M&P 5.7 with no safety? Exile Did recently have these for $589. But no longer. |
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Posted: 7/11/2023 6:29:10 AM EDT
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Well S&W is on fire! The 5.7 M&P had a love child! https://rumble.com/v2ypjhi-smith-and-wesson-m-and-p-22-magnum-range-review.html. A 22Mag M&P pistol with the same tempo barrel system.
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USA
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Posted: 7/11/2023 8:12:38 AM EDT
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IN, USA
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Posted: 7/11/2023 10:49:45 AM EDT
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If I had to guess, they're also gonna release a .17 HMR eventually, which would complete their patent statement.
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Posted: 7/11/2023 11:03:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Evintos: If I had to guess, they're also gonna release a .17 HMR eventually, which would complete their patent statement. That would be nice. Guessing they copied the Grendel/Kel-Tec .22 WMR mag design, long out of patent, should run reliably. A decent .17 HMR carbine w/ the same mags could give pretty nice ballistics. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 7/14/2023 12:12:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Buffman_LT1: Because it has the velocity to poke soft armor (some types) Can BDF do this too? Although it's not a priority for me, it would still be a cool bonus. |
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Posted: 7/14/2023 6:02:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JK-919: Can BDF do this too? Although it's not a priority for me, it would still be a cool bonus. |
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Posted: 7/14/2023 6:02:57 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Buffman_LT1]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JK-919: Can BDF do this too? Although it's not a priority for me, it would still be a cool bonus. |
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Posted: 7/14/2023 6:40:25 PM EDT
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BDF?
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Posted: 7/14/2023 8:49:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DOG556: BDF? |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 7/15/2023 12:59:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sharpest: I posted over in the suppressor forum but I appear to have had a bullet strike the end cap of my Sparrow mounted on the M&P 5.7. It’s on its way back to SilencerCo right now so I’ll see what they say. Another guy posted a Reddit link where a dude blew up an Oculus so this platform may not be a great host for .22 cal suppressors. Shame because it was a blast to shoot and the sparrow is small enough to still use the open sights. If I get froggy I may adaptify my Omega 30 onto it and see how that does  Wish I had seen this before buying one. I wanted to use it with my Oculus, but the check with an alignment rod was iffy at the endcap. I’ve already sent my can back to Rugged once for an endcap strike, also with 5.7, but that was on a CMMG SBR, and I believe was caused by the can starting to unscrew itself. The pistol design with the threading on a sleeve that the barrel moves inside of doesn’t seem to lend itself to concentricity. |
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Posted: 7/16/2023 8:27:05 PM EDT
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Took out the M&P 5.7 today with its baby brother. The New M&P 22magnum! Put 500!rounds through it today. Everything from CCI max mag to Maxi Mag +V to TNT, Hornady v max and Winchester supreme 30/34 grainers. Excellent. No hiccups. Slow or fast. It just ran. Also shot the PMR 30. Thanks to the Lula loader. Again. Flawless.
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Posted: 7/20/2023 4:22:08 PM EDT
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These guns come with a factory magazine loader. Very simple but it works. Does anyone know where I could buy one?
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Posted: 7/27/2023 10:56:45 PM EDT
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I see that CHPWS has plates for the 5.7
https://chpws.com/product/smith-and-wesson-equalizer-to-holosun-407k-507k/ https://chpws.com/product/smith-and-wesson-equalizer-swmp-5-7-to-holosun-509t/ My question is this pistol and the new 22mag are direct mount for this holosun…. So why would someone need a plate? |
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Posted: 7/27/2023 11:04:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DOG556: I see that CHPWS has plates for the 5.7 https://chpws.com/product/smith-and-wesson-equalizer-to-holosun-407k-507k/ https://chpws.com/product/smith-and-wesson-equalizer-swmp-5-7-to-holosun-509t/ My question is this pistol and the new 22mag are direct mount for this holosun . So why would someone need a plate? |
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Posted: 7/27/2023 11:09:34 PM EDT
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Not sure. So the footprint on the M&P5.7 as well as the little brother M&P 22mag is a RSMc footprint?
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Posted: 8/12/2023 12:37:13 AM EDT
[#33]
It ate the FN red box no problem
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Posted: 8/25/2023 11:04:06 PM EDT
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The rare FN Red Box ammo. Were there any bad lots in the past??
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Posted: 8/26/2023 2:34:47 PM EDT
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Not that I’m aware of.
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Posted: 8/29/2023 12:57:29 PM EDT
[Last Edit: lsufan1971]
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just picked one up from my LGS. They are going out of business. Got the gun and 450 rds of Fiocchi bulk pack for $875 OTD. I am looking for a OWB light bearing holster for a TRL-1. Anyone have any recommendations?
So far so good on ammo. Shot the Fiocchi with no issues, FN Red Box, blue box, and Gold dots. Going to cary gold dots in it. Going to be my new truck gun. I put a EPS MRS on it and I had no issues dinging 8" gong at 50 yards. |
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Posted: 8/29/2023 4:14:15 PM EDT
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I'd like to see a calibrated organic gel comparison btwn Gold Dots in 5.7x28mm & .22 WMR, both from pistols.
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Posted: 8/29/2023 5:00:39 PM EDT
[#38]
I’m trying
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Posted: 8/30/2023 9:44:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By backbencher: I'd like to see a calibrated organic gel comparison btwn Gold Dots in 5.7x28mm & .22 WMR, both from pistols. |
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Posted: 8/30/2023 2:52:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Buffman_LT1: What does it cost to make an organic gel block? The new Gold Dots are going to be underwhelming because of the design change. The 22 mag bullets are not bonded. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Buffman_LT1: Originally Posted By backbencher: I'd like to see a calibrated organic gel comparison btwn Gold Dots in 5.7x28mm & .22 WMR, both from pistols. What does it cost to make an organic gel block? The new Gold Dots are going to be underwhelming because of the design change. The 22 mag bullets are not bonded. I don't know. A few years back was going to borrow some commercial freezer space from a buddy of mine for organic gel blocks for some ARFCOMers who wanted to test 5.7 loads. I took a deployment and never heard anything else. Be very interesting if the differences btwn the Gold Dot loads were just a couple of inches in gel, & they both met FBI protocols. I don't really think it's a problem if the .22 WMR load sheds its jacket as long as it expands reliably and penetrates @ least 12" in calibrated organic gel. What happens if 5.7x28mm is the .357 SIG to 9x19mm +P? |
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Posted: 9/3/2023 12:41:24 AM EDT
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Just picked up one of these what do I need to mount a Vortex Venom on it?
Love the fit and feel of this pistol. Hope to put a few rounds through it tomorrow. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 9/6/2023 4:53:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GunDisaster: Sounds like the old Beretta Cougar with the rotating barrel. Problem with suppressors as it'll unthread the can from what I've heard. But it's a cool design idea. Of course the Browning action remains king. I think John Browning patented the rotating-barrel back in 1909 (thereabouts). I feel like this is something I NEED. |
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Posted: 9/7/2023 9:09:38 PM EDT
[Last Edit: backbencher]
[#43]
This is an interesting comparison of the .22 WMR & 5.7x28mm Gold Dots through denim into non-calibrated clear gel. The 5.7x28mm carries a lot more energy, but the .22 WMR Gold Dot gives a respectable performance.
ETA:  . It appears my past self forgot to post a video which I no longer remember what it was. Apologies.
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Posted: 10/14/2023 11:00:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By backbencher: That would be nice. Guessing they copied the Grendel/Kel-Tec .22 WMR mag design, long out of patent, should run reliably. A decent .17 HMR carbine w/ the same mags could give pretty nice ballistics. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By backbencher: Originally Posted By Evintos: If I had to guess, they're also gonna release a .17 HMR eventually, which would complete their patent statement. That would be nice. Guessing they copied the Grendel/Kel-Tec .22 WMR mag design, long out of patent, should run reliably. A decent .17 HMR carbine w/ the same mags could give pretty nice ballistics. A 17hmr version of their pistol would be a great backpacking gun for me. Would probably be my go to varmint truck/4 wheeler gun. I hope they make a 17hmr pistol and a 17hmr side folding carbine as well. |
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Posted: 10/17/2023 1:42:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By backbencher: This is an interesting comparison of the .22 WMR & 5.7x28mm Gold Dots through denim into non-calibrated clear gel. The 5.7x28mm carries a lot more energy, but the .22 WMR Gold Dot gives a respectable performance. ETA: . It appears my past self forgot to post a video which I no longer remember what it was. Apologies.These Tools&Targets videos?  5.7x28 vs .22 Magnum Speer GOLD DOT....(Part 1: Pistols)  5.7x28 vs .22 Magnum Speer GOLD DOT....(Part 2: Rifles) |
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Posted: 10/17/2023 1:47:10 PM EDT
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I got a M&P5.7 a bit ago and I only have a little over 100rds through mine now.
It is an absolute blast to shoot. Recoil on par with my Buck Mark pistol and a report like a 5.56mm AR. I just put a Holsun EPS-Carry on it this morning. Anyone have recommendations for holsters? Specifically light bearing IWB holsters? |
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Posted: 10/17/2023 2:42:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By azoutdoorsman: Maybe to fill the small gaps fore and aft of the dot Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By azoutdoorsman: Originally Posted By DOG556: I see that CHPWS has plates for the 5.7 https://chpws.com/product/smith-and-wesson-equalizer-to-holosun-407k-507k/ https://chpws.com/product/smith-and-wesson-equalizer-swmp-5-7-to-holosun-509t/ My question is this pistol and the new 22mag are direct mount for this holosun . So why would someone need a plate? There are pretty sizable gaps with a Holosun K footprint optic. Additionally the firing pin channel is open to the bottom of the optic. Which some feel they need to close off with a plate. But the optic seems to close the firing pin channel just fine by itself.  Attached File Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 10/17/2023 2:50:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 9a91: These Tools&Targets videos? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAJR_DDgcaY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzdpG-V_6VIQuote HistoryOriginally Posted By 9a91: Originally Posted By backbencher: This is an interesting comparison of the .22 WMR & 5.7x28mm Gold Dots through denim into non-calibrated clear gel. The 5.7x28mm carries a lot more energy, but the .22 WMR Gold Dot gives a respectable performance. ETA: . It appears my past self forgot to post a video which I no longer remember what it was. Apologies.These Tools&Targets videos? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAJR_DDgcaY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzdpG-V_6VII think so, thank you. Paul Harrell's video out last night:  PSA 5.7 Rock vs Smith and Wesson M&P 2.0 |
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Posted: 10/17/2023 2:51:15 PM EDT
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Crossposting from the optics forum to help other M&P 5.7 owners here.
I got a Burris FastFire 3 reflex sight with the intention to mount it on my M&P 5.7. The Burris 410336 Smith & Wesson M&P adapter plate does not fit the M&P 5.7 pistol. CHPWS does NOT make an adapter plate to mount the FastFire 3 to the M&P 5.7. They said they can custom make one, but minimum cost for that would be $150.  I sent an email to Burris to see if they could help. |
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Posted: 10/17/2023 9:47:49 PM EDT
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There are two versions of the Gold Dot 5.7 load; both are 40gr bullets, but the older load is a six petal bullet with a larger HP cavity and loaded at about 100fps faster.
 Attached File 5.7 x 28 - Speer Gold Dot 40 gr. Would you carry? Gel Test: 3/10/23. Old vs New compare w/ Ruger 57 |
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