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Posted: 2/21/2024 9:06:31 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Fooboy]
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I'm going to leave the ARF version with the more difficult scoring to give us a challenge. It's doable but challenging.
Speaking of, given the huge scoring zone of the actual qual, Ken Hackathorns claim he's never seen a red dot shooter pass it is even more laughable. |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 10:49:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fooboy: I'm going to leave the ARF version with the more difficult scoring to give us a challenge. It's doable but challenging. Speaking of, given the huge scoring zone of the actual qual, Ken Hackathorns claim he's never seen a red dot shooter pass it is even more laughable. This part is no joke. I understand there's the whole thing of shooters buying Gucci equipment thinking it will fix their busted fundamentals....but if you're actually a half decent shooter with some dry reps drawing from a holster, this standard is downright doable. |
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Posted: 2/21/2024 11:39:36 AM EDT
[Last Edit: JoeDevola]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 2alpha-down0: That's roughly how we did it on pistol-forum back in the day. A/B/C was +5, D was +2. Line breaks counted for the lower score. https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?9499-Week-79-Original-Air-Marshal-Pistol-Qual Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 2alpha-down0: Originally Posted By Fooboy: I was watching a video of the guys from tier one concealed running this qualification. They did it a second time once they found out the proper scoring. Link Apparently the scoring for the official qualifier is the entire bottle (including the dotted line lower portion) is a +5 and any hits off bottle but on the paper are +2 (yes, you read that right) That's a pretty big change to the scoring, much more generous. . I marked out the FBI-QIT-99 dimensions on a IPSC target with a sharpie for reference. If the above scoring is true then that would equate to the full C zone being +5 and the D zone being +2. What do you guys think, should I update the drill sheet (c zone is + 5) or leave as is (much more challenging)? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/113559/IMG_9889_jpeg-3133151.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/113559/IMG_9885_jpeg-3133147.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/113559/IMG_9890_jpeg-3133156.JPG That's roughly how we did it on pistol-forum back in the day. A/B/C was +5, D was +2. Line breaks counted for the lower score. https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?9499-Week-79-Original-Air-Marshal-Pistol-Qual That PF thread is gold. Run by the late Todd Green, I see Gabe White and DocGKR in there. Fantastic. See, I too thought at one time, the standard was "anywhere on the bottle" was 5 pts, (side note: to me, giving 2pts for "on paper but off the bottle" is absurd, considering the specific mission of the FAM). I wholeheartedly agree with Gabe's comment in the PF thread: "That is a VERY interesting observation by GJM about misses vs. overtime shots in this qual. The FAMs, which I have seen held out as an example of an organization that must shoot to a standard of tight accuracy cold and on demand, used a qual that allowed multiple misses, a great big huge max-point target zone, but fails a shooter for one single drill over the time limit. Seems incongruous. And that's not even the current qual, which I understand to be considered easier." But then, I find this article, which states the FBI-QIT-97 is used, with the difficult scoring I mentioned previously: https://www.shootingillustrated.com/content/federal-air-marshal-qualification-test-your-ccw-skills/ I think just hitting the bottle is crazy generous. Sticking with the ARF version makes more sense as a test of skill. I think I'll end up shooting it again, on QIT-97s, then grade myself the 3 ways: hard way, easy "anywhere on bottle counts" way, then overlay an A-zone over the target and see where I stand. And agreed, the reloads need to be from concealment as well. That's the only par I couldn't meet, so there is work to do. |
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Posted: 2/23/2024 12:38:41 AM EDT
[Last Edit: JoeDevola]
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Shot it again. Did I pass? Depends on who's standard. Shot w/ same gun, G19 gen4 w/ Swampfox Liberty optic, same concealed setup. We're proving Hack wrong.
I shot the FBI-QIT-97s, then when done superimposed an "A" zone over them, results below:   I have to say, focusing hard on hitting that narrower zone in the middle of those kind of forced me to at least try to get better hits, "aim small miss small". I really do like these targets. Full size IDPA or USPSA silhouettes seem huge in comparison. |
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Posted: 2/23/2024 11:20:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JoeDevola: Shot it again. Did I pass? Depends on who's standard. Shot w/ same gun, G19 gen4 w/ Swampfox Liberty optic, same concealed setup. We're proving Hack wrong. I shot the FBI-QIT-97s, then when done superimposed an "A" zone over them, results below: https://i.postimg.cc/1X9W1DJ7/20240222-202806.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/ZRj832xj/20240222-202607.jpg I have to say, focusing hard on hitting that narrower zone in the middle of those kind of forced me to at least try to get better hits, "aim small miss small". I really do like these targets. Full size IDPA or USPSA silhouettes seem huge in comparison. Try it with index/playing cards |
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Posted: 2/24/2024 11:39:03 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Fooboy]
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Passed points, failed on time (not by much). Shot the harder ARF scoring.
Will try again another trip, only 1 attempt per range trip. I know what I need to work on. No comments on my 1 D please.  Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 2/26/2024 1:51:21 PM EDT
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Awesome run! You were RIGHT there!
String 4 was a bitch for me too, only par I didnt get the first time. It made me practice my reloads. Which is one of the things I like about standardized drills. They show me what skills I'm lacking in and need work on. |
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Posted: 2/26/2024 2:04:50 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Fooboy]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JoeDevola: Awesome run! You were RIGHT there! String 4 was a bitch for me too, only par I didnt get the first time. It made me practice my reloads. Which is one of the things I like about standardized drills. They show me what skills I'm lacking in and need work on. I tried it a few times after and I am confident I can make par next attempt. |
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Posted: 2/27/2024 6:22:05 PM EDT
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Pulled a clean run with my XL.
144 points. Concealled owb, harder standard  Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 2/27/2024 6:24:07 PM EDT
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And for fun I tried it with my Stribog a3 @ 15 yards. All shot from low ready
146 pts but I missed the last time standard due to it not locked back on empty both times.  Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 2/27/2024 7:06:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By evnash: Pulled a clean run with my XL. 144 points. Concealled owb, harder standard https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/222048/IMG_5683_jpeg-3143249.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/222048/IMG_5684_jpeg-3143250.JPG Nice! |
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Posted: 3/6/2024 5:04:53 PM EDT
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*crickets
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Posted: 3/6/2024 6:53:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By evnash: *crickets |
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Posted: 3/6/2024 8:07:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fooboy: You know how this goes Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fooboy: Originally Posted By evnash: *crickets Yup Last time out I finished up with some bill drills. With my 625 from concealment I could keep it just under 3seconds. |
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Posted: 3/8/2024 2:21:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fooboy: You know how this goes Unfortunately |
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Posted: 3/8/2024 4:27:26 PM EDT
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Just happened upon this thread and need to try this out with my carry gun (Sig M18) next time I hit the range.
I use VTAC targets and suspect that should be comparable to the IPSC targets you guys are using. |
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Posted: 3/9/2024 10:28:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By evnash: And for fun I tried it with my Stribog a3 @ 15 yards. All shot from low ready 146 pts but I missed the last time standard due to it not locked back on empty both times. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/222048/IMG_5685_jpeg-3143251.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/222048/IMG_5686_jpeg-3143252.JPG Cool idea. |
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Posted: 3/9/2024 10:30:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fooboy: You know how this goes Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fooboy: Originally Posted By evnash: *crickets I’m hoping to get out to the range soon and try again. It’s been a busy few work weeks for me as I usually try to get out during my lunch. |
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Posted: 3/9/2024 3:25:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ruin: I’m hoping to get out to the range soon and try again. It’s been a busy few work weeks for me as I usually try to get out during my lunch. You did pretty good on your last run, so you'll get it soon. |
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Posted: 3/9/2024 7:00:32 PM EDT
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In. Tag for spot.
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Posted: 3/9/2024 10:18:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Ruin]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 11boomboom: You did pretty good on your last run, so you'll get it soon. You motivated me to take my ass out and shoot. It’s worth noting I don’t have the proper targets, I used a reduced size humanoid and scored as honestly as I could so there was some guessing. I changed my setup from my previous run AND changed how I wore it. Previous holster for the Staccato C2 was a Blackpoint Tactical OWB w/TLR7 and Holosun 507C X2. Spare pouch was a Ironside single mag OWB. This run was a Staccato C2 with an Ironside OWB w/TLR1HL and 507C X2, spare mag pouch stayed the same. I also used a longer mag as the reload vs the shorter, flush fit mag from my previous run. I also moved the holster from about my 4 O’clock to juuuuust forward of my right hip. Same clothing as last time for the sake of consistency, cover garment was a costco flannel. Feel free to check my math, it’s not my strong suit and I was rushing to finish up so others could use the bay.  Attached FileThis was the same sheet, just at the range table, used a mix of whatever was in the ammo can. All 115 grain cheap stuff.  Attached File |
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Posted: 3/10/2024 10:09:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ruin: You motivated me to take my ass out and shoot. It’s worth noting I don’t have the proper targets, I used a reduced size humanoid and scored as honestly as I could so there was some guessing. I changed my setup from my previous run AND changed how I wore it. Previous holster for the Staccato C2 was a Blackpoint Tactical OWB w/TLR7 and Holosun 507C X2. Spare pouch was a Ironside single mag OWB. This run was a Staccato C2 with an Ironside OWB w/TLR1HL and 507C X2, spare mag pouch stayed the same. I also used a longer mag as the reload vs the shorter, flush fit mag from my previous run. I also moved the holster from about my 4 O’clock to juuuuust forward of my right hip. Same clothing as last time for the sake of consistency, cover garment was a costco flannel. Feel free to check my math, it’s not my strong suit and I was rushing to finish up so others could use the bay. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/100831/IMG_9142_jpeg-3154915.JPG This was the same sheet, just at the range table, used a mix of whatever was in the ammo can. All 115 grain cheap stuff. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/100831/IMG_9144_jpeg-3154913.JPG  Looks good to me! |
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Posted: 3/10/2024 10:18:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 11boomboom: Looks good to me! Thanks. Now I need to do it weekly until I can’t get it wrong. |
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Posted: 3/10/2024 10:38:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ruin: Thanks. Now I need to do it weekly until I can’t get it wrong. Heck yeah! 
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Posted: 3/10/2024 1:06:11 PM EDT
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Maybe Hackathorne saw me shoot it
 G45 MPS under a jacket in an Ironside holster, reload strings got me really need to work reloads from concealment more. Used a IDPA target because it’s what I had  Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 3/13/2024 12:47:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gunnie357: Maybe Hackathorne saw me shoot it G45 MPS under a jacket in an Ironside holster, reload strings got me really need to work reloads from concealment more. Used a IDPA target because it’s what I had https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/490499/image_jpg-3155380.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/490499/IMG_0062_jpeg-3155381.JPG You’re pretty close, nice job! Shoot it some more and you’ll get there. |
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Posted: 3/13/2024 8:10:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ruin: You’re pretty close, nice job! Shoot it some more and you’ll get there. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ruin: Originally Posted By Gunnie357: Maybe Hackathorne saw me shoot it G45 MPS under a jacket in an Ironside holster, reload strings got me really need to work reloads from concealment more. Used a IDPA target because it’s what I had https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/490499/image_jpg-3155380.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/490499/IMG_0062_jpeg-3155381.JPG You’re pretty close, nice job! Shoot it some more and you’ll get there. Thanks |
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Posted: 3/15/2024 8:38:35 AM EDT
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Tried again this AM before everyone else got to the range. Used my duty rig this time holster is a 6360 mag pouch is open top still my G45 MPS
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Posted: 3/15/2024 10:27:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gunnie357: Tried again this AM before everyone else got to the range. Used my duty rig this time holster is a 6360 mag pouch is open top still my G45 MPS https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/490499/image_jpg-3159421.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/490499/image_jpg-3159423.JPG
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Posted: 3/15/2024 1:55:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 03RN: Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 03RN: Originally Posted By Gunnie357: Tried again this AM before everyone else got to the range. Used my duty rig this time holster is a 6360 mag pouch is open top still my G45 MPS https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/490499/image_jpg-3159421.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/490499/image_jpg-3159423.JPG Thanks wasn’t sure how to score it but I was happy to get the times this round. |
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Posted: 3/25/2024 8:44:15 PM EDT
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I didn’t have paper targets, I used B&C zone steel target, so the scoring may be off a smidge. I also didn’t take a picture. I will next time. I missed two par times by a fraction of a second.
M&P 2.0 compact iron sights, IWB holster  Attached File |
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Posted: 3/25/2024 9:11:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gunnie357: Tried again this AM before everyone else got to the range. Used my duty rig this time holster is a 6360 mag pouch is open top still my G45 MPS https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/490499/image_jpg-3159421.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/490499/image_jpg-3159423.JPG Very nice! 
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Posted: 3/25/2024 11:12:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Nick_Adams: Very nice! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Nick_Adams: Originally Posted By Gunnie357: Tried again this AM before everyone else got to the range. Used my duty rig this time holster is a 6360 mag pouch is open top still my G45 MPS https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/490499/image_jpg-3159421.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/490499/image_jpg-3159423.JPG Very nice! Thanks |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 7:44:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JoeDevola: Damn dude, nice run! Great times and solid hits. What holster you using? Yeah I've been reading Hackathorn for years (never had the opportunity to train with him), and was always one of the good sources for solid TTPs and learning, but lately he's demonstrated his lack of evolving, so to speak. Or maybe he's trying to remain relevant by playing the contrarian. But he's dead wrong about pistol MRDS. Why the shit don't we have more shooters getting in on this? It's like ARFCOM is 10,000 dudes talking about guns and taking pics of them, and 10 people actually shooting. I’ve been to the range 3x since my post earlier in this thread. Ran drills a couple days and shot with my new to me DWX the other. Completely forgot about this drill. I need to have everything in hand before I go again. Facepalm |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 11:01:12 AM EDT
[Last Edit: easttxshooter]
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I shot it last week. I failed 4 times, so I didn't bother scoring. I'll get it soon. There is an extra round as well, had a malfunction (shield z9 mags)
 Attached File Attached FileI'm having trouble with the other pics, for some reason my second target's pic has too big of a file size to post. Doesn't really matter since it's a time/score fail.
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Posted: 3/26/2024 11:27:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lilMAC25: I’ve been to the range 3x since my post earlier in this thread. Ran drills a couple days and shot with my new to me DWX the other. Completely forgot about this drill. I need to have everything in hand before I go again. Facepalm Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lilMAC25: Originally Posted By JoeDevola: Damn dude, nice run! Great times and solid hits. What holster you using? Yeah I've been reading Hackathorn for years (never had the opportunity to train with him), and was always one of the good sources for solid TTPs and learning, but lately he's demonstrated his lack of evolving, so to speak. Or maybe he's trying to remain relevant by playing the contrarian. But he's dead wrong about pistol MRDS. Why the shit don't we have more shooters getting in on this? It's like ARFCOM is 10,000 dudes talking about guns and taking pics of them, and 10 people actually shooting. I’ve been to the range 3x since my post earlier in this thread. Ran drills a couple days and shot with my new to me DWX the other. Completely forgot about this drill. I need to have everything in hand before I go again. Facepalm My bet is less than 5% of arfcom members could pass this, maybe even just 2%. I am a pretty solid pistol shooter, and I failed time on two stages the first time. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 4:36:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ironmaker: My bet is less than 5% of arfcom members could pass this, maybe even just 2%. I am a pretty solid pistol shooter, and I failed time on two stages the first time. and less than that can clean it with 150 pts |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 5:01:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By evnash: and less than that can clean it with 150 pts Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By evnash: Originally Posted By Ironmaker: My bet is less than 5% of arfcom members could pass this, maybe even just 2%. I am a pretty solid pistol shooter, and I failed time on two stages the first time. and less than that can clean it with 150 pts Absolutely it’s a stringent course I forget how many pulled a pass when you ran the courses last year but I don’t recall it being many. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 5:53:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gunnie357: Absolutely it’s a stringent course I forget how many pulled a pass when you ran the courses last year but I don’t recall it being many. I think it was 7 or 8. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 6:29:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 11boomboom: I think it was 7 or 8. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 11boomboom: Originally Posted By Gunnie357: Absolutely it’s a stringent course I forget how many pulled a pass when you ran the courses last year but I don’t recall it being many. I think it was 7 or 8. Idk the exact but I feel like less than 10 of us. Iirc I shot it three times before getting a pass wjth my commander. We have a few guys that first run made it for sure. This time took 2 but I also shot it with a duty rig rather than concealment I’d probably still be trying from concealment reloads kill me. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 9:38:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gunnie357: Idk the exact but I feel like less than 10 of us. Iirc I shot it three times before getting a pass wjth my commander. We have a few guys that first run made it for sure. This time took 2 but I also shot it with a duty rig rather than concealment I’d probably still be trying from concealment reloads kill me. It died a quick death on GD if that’s any indication. I haven’t fired from my traditional duty rig but I do plan to. Holster + spare mag placement and cover garment made a big difference. It’s like wearing all your cool guy shit for the first time and going on a run. You learn quickly what does and doesn’t work. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 9:50:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gunnie357: Idk the exact but I feel like less than 10 of us. Iirc I shot it three times before getting a pass wjth my commander. We have a few guys that first run made it for sure. This time took 2 but I also shot it with a duty rig rather than concealment I’d probably still be trying from concealment reloads kill me. It took me a couple tries, but I got it with my P320 and 1911 last year. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 9:51:29 PM EDT
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Haven’t been able to make it to the range for a bit. Sold our house so we’ve been focused on packing to move. New house has a pistol range the landlord previously set up, so I should be able to get this one down once we’re settled from the move.
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Posted: 3/26/2024 9:59:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ironmaker: My bet is less than 5% of arfcom members could pass this, maybe even just 2%. I am a pretty solid pistol shooter, and I failed time on two stages the first time. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ironmaker: Originally Posted By lilMAC25: Originally Posted By JoeDevola: Damn dude, nice run! Great times and solid hits. What holster you using? Yeah I've been reading Hackathorn for years (never had the opportunity to train with him), and was always one of the good sources for solid TTPs and learning, but lately he's demonstrated his lack of evolving, so to speak. Or maybe he's trying to remain relevant by playing the contrarian. But he's dead wrong about pistol MRDS. Why the shit don't we have more shooters getting in on this? It's like ARFCOM is 10,000 dudes talking about guns and taking pics of them, and 10 people actually shooting. I’ve been to the range 3x since my post earlier in this thread. Ran drills a couple days and shot with my new to me DWX the other. Completely forgot about this drill. I need to have everything in hand before I go again. Facepalm My bet is less than 5% of arfcom members could pass this, maybe even just 2%. I am a pretty solid pistol shooter, and I failed time on two stages the first time. I believe that. However, I DO NOT buy the idea that no one can pass it with an RDS. That’s an idiotic notion. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 10:23:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gunnie357: Idk the exact but I feel like less than 10 of us. Iirc I shot it three times before getting a pass wjth my commander. We have a few guys that first run made it for sure. This time took 2 but I also shot it with a duty rig rather than concealment I’d probably still be trying from concealment reloads kill me. This. Damn concealment reloads. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 6:54:12 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Gunnie357]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lilMAC25: I believe that. However, I DO NOT buy the idea that no one can pass it with an RDS. That’s an idiotic notion. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lilMAC25: Originally Posted By Ironmaker: Originally Posted By lilMAC25: Originally Posted By JoeDevola: Damn dude, nice run! Great times and solid hits. What holster you using? Yeah I've been reading Hackathorn for years (never had the opportunity to train with him), and was always one of the good sources for solid TTPs and learning, but lately he's demonstrated his lack of evolving, so to speak. Or maybe he's trying to remain relevant by playing the contrarian. But he's dead wrong about pistol MRDS. Why the shit don't we have more shooters getting in on this? It's like ARFCOM is 10,000 dudes talking about guns and taking pics of them, and 10 people actually shooting. I’ve been to the range 3x since my post earlier in this thread. Ran drills a couple days and shot with my new to me DWX the other. Completely forgot about this drill. I need to have everything in hand before I go again. Facepalm My bet is less than 5% of arfcom members could pass this, maybe even just 2%. I am a pretty solid pistol shooter, and I failed time on two stages the first time. I believe that. However, I DO NOT buy the idea that no one can pass it with an RDS. That’s an idiotic notion. Especially since we’ve had several do it already |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 9:21:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gunnie357: Especially since we’ve had several do it already Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gunnie357: Originally Posted By lilMAC25: Originally Posted By Ironmaker: Originally Posted By lilMAC25: Originally Posted By JoeDevola: Damn dude, nice run! Great times and solid hits. What holster you using? Yeah I've been reading Hackathorn for years (never had the opportunity to train with him), and was always one of the good sources for solid TTPs and learning, but lately he's demonstrated his lack of evolving, so to speak. Or maybe he's trying to remain relevant by playing the contrarian. But he's dead wrong about pistol MRDS. Why the shit don't we have more shooters getting in on this? It's like ARFCOM is 10,000 dudes talking about guns and taking pics of them, and 10 people actually shooting. I’ve been to the range 3x since my post earlier in this thread. Ran drills a couple days and shot with my new to me DWX the other. Completely forgot about this drill. I need to have everything in hand before I go again. Facepalm My bet is less than 5% of arfcom members could pass this, maybe even just 2%. I am a pretty solid pistol shooter, and I failed time on two stages the first time. I believe that. However, I DO NOT buy the idea that no one can pass it with an RDS. That’s an idiotic notion. Especially since we’ve had several do it already I said Hackathorn was way off when it was first posted on GD. |
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Posted: 3/28/2024 12:23:10 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Fooboy]
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Passed on a cold start, no shooting for a few weeks. However, I only count 29 holes. It would be very unusual to totally miss at 7 yards and I could have put one through a space in the target but im not gonna officially count it.
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Posted: 3/28/2024 12:52:17 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Fooboy]
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Also did the Wilson 5x5. Squeaked under 20 again (clean, from concealment)
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Posted: 3/28/2024 1:53:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fooboy: Passed on a cold start, no shooting for a few weeks. However, I only count 29 holes. It would be very unusual to totally miss at 7 yards and I could have put one through a space in the target but im not gonna officially count it. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/113559/IMG_0371_jpeg-3171788.JPG 3 C zones https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/113559/IMG_0372_jpeg-3171792.JPG Outstanding! Yeah, I have that problem from time to time, counting holes, staring hard at one, trying to determine if it's a double.....there are times when I should be taping between strings, but I get lazy, and don't want to waste the tape. Yeah, fuck what Hack said about this drill & RDS. I passed it, and I'm not that great a shooter. I hate to say that about him, as he really was one of "the ones", back in the day....I learned alot from his writings over the years, but he's becoming less relevant every day. |
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