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Posted: 11/8/2023 5:04:32 PM EDT
[#1]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DennyR: I think it's highly unlikely that you would lose money. This. I think any cmp 1911 will be a money maker if you keep it for a while. Maybe the least desirable ones they're putting out can't be sold for profit immediately, but once they stop selling 1911s every one in the wild will go up in value 25% immediately and continue increasing. Historically mil surplus guns have always been a safe investment. I remember $79 SKSs and the cheap CMP m1d my dad got when I was a kid. The big point for me was that this is really your only chance to get a government 1911 for a sane price. They used to pop up for sale in a local gun shop a few times per year, prices were commonly $2-4k depending on the pistol. I don't recall seeing any since the CMP started selling them. |
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Posted: 11/8/2023 5:39:32 PM EDT
[#2]
The good - got my call today!
The bad - no range grade available.  The service grades coming out lately have been looking pretty sweet so I went that route this time. Oh well. |
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Posted: 11/10/2023 11:31:44 AM EDT
[#3]
Anyone know what the turn around time on a Navy FOIA request is?
Submitted one online 8/3 through the website that has since been shut down. Thanks |
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Posted: 11/10/2023 7:19:16 PM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Z09SS: There's a definite lack of pics in this thread. I got u fam              Wished I could have gotten a Range grade but wasn't offered when I got the call. I'd say this SG is one hell of a consolation prize though. |
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Posted: 11/10/2023 9:58:04 PM EDT
[#5]
It appears that it has no rebuild marks, only a barrel replacement. Very good acquisition.
 I have a non-CMP RR only about 1,000 less S/N |
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Posted: 11/10/2023 10:41:59 PM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Glynn863: It appears that it has no rebuild marks, only a barrel replacement. Very good acquisition. I have a non-CMP RR only about 1,000 less S/N Yep, I was pleasantly surprised. I'm not sure I entirely believe it is original finish, but...maybe? For sure the machining marks are still apparent. And in any case, the barrel looks literally brand new - I bet it will shoot lights-out. I'm considering getting a couple of replacement grips for shooting, to keep the rack numbers from wearing. |
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IA, USA
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Posted: 11/17/2023 6:06:44 PM EDT
[#7]
Just popped over to the CMP forum. Looks like they're up to about 42,500. I'm 45,8something. Guessing early March.
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Posted: 11/17/2023 11:45:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: MiG-21]
[#8]
Round 3 I got a Field grade 1943 Remington Rand. Nice and very cool pistol, but nothing really special or uncommon.
This week I got this. I hit the jackpot! All blued finish. Remington Rand slide on a 1919 Colt frame. It has A1 style finger cuts added to the frame behind the trigger. I've learned that makes it an early Korean War USMC rebuild. An advanced collector on the CMP forum said this is only the second one he's ever seen in its early blued finish.  Attached File Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 11/18/2023 1:21:32 AM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MiG-21: Round 3 I got a Field grade 1943 Remington Rand. Nice and very cool pistol, but nothing really special or uncommon. This week I got this. I hit the jackpot! All blued finish. Remington Rand slide on a 1919 Colt frame. It has A1 style finger cuts added to the frame behind the trigger. I've learned that makes it an early Korean War USMC rebuild. An advanced collector on the CMP forum said this is only the second one he's ever seen in its early blued finish. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/26154/IMG_6263_jpg-3028656.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/26154/IMG_6262_jpg-3028657.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/26154/IMG_6276_jpeg-3031480.JPG I want to see the FOIA for this old girl. |
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Posted: 11/18/2023 3:05:40 AM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Z09SS: I want to see the FOIA for this old girl. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Z09SS: Originally Posted By MiG-21: Round 3 I got a Field grade 1943 Remington Rand. Nice and very cool pistol, but nothing really special or uncommon. This week I got this. I hit the jackpot! All blued finish. Remington Rand slide on a 1919 Colt frame. It has A1 style finger cuts added to the frame behind the trigger. I've learned that makes it an early Korean War USMC rebuild. An advanced collector on the CMP forum said this is only the second one he's ever seen in its early blued finish. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/26154/IMG_6263_jpg-3028656.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/26154/IMG_6262_jpg-3028657.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/26154/IMG_6276_jpeg-3031480.JPG I want to see the FOIA for this old girl. Already sent off for from Army, Navy, and Marines. Now we wait. |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 11/21/2023 10:34:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MiG-21: Round 3 I got a Field grade 1943 Remington Rand. Nice and very cool pistol, but nothing really special or uncommon. This week I got this. I hit the jackpot! All blued finish. Remington Rand slide on a 1919 Colt frame. It has A1 style finger cuts added to the frame behind the trigger. I've learned that makes it an early Korean War USMC rebuild. An advanced collector on the CMP forum said this is only the second one he's ever seen in its early blued finish. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/26154/IMG_6263_jpg-3028656.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/26154/IMG_6262_jpg-3028657.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/26154/IMG_6276_jpeg-3031480.JPG Man, what an amazing pistol! Congrats! Was this a Service Grade? |
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Posted: 11/21/2023 11:57:26 AM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By METT-T: Man, what an amazing pistol! Congrats! Was this a Service Grade? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By METT-T: Originally Posted By MiG-21: Round 3 I got a Field grade 1943 Remington Rand. Nice and very cool pistol, but nothing really special or uncommon. This week I got this. I hit the jackpot! All blued finish. Remington Rand slide on a 1919 Colt frame. It has A1 style finger cuts added to the frame behind the trigger. I've learned that makes it an early Korean War USMC rebuild. An advanced collector on the CMP forum said this is only the second one he's ever seen in its early blued finish. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/26154/IMG_6263_jpg-3028656.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/26154/IMG_6262_jpg-3028657.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/26154/IMG_6276_jpeg-3031480.JPG Man, what an amazing pistol! Congrats! Was this a Service Grade? Field. I'm actually surprised it wasn't pulled to be an auction gun. |
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NM, USA
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Posted: 11/22/2023 12:28:47 AM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ameshawki: Just popped over to the CMP forum. Looks like they're up to about 42,500. I'm 45,8something. Guessing early March. 43,663 here. I'm going for rack or field this time. |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 11/24/2023 4:09:03 AM EDT
[#14]
Does anyone know if there will be additional rounds for the CMP 1911s? My father is a Vietnam vet and he was expressing interest in buying one from the CMP
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TX, USA
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Posted: 11/25/2023 8:52:55 PM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sirbordsalot311: Does anyone know if there will be additional rounds for the CMP 1911s? My father is a Vietnam vet and he was expressing interest in buying one from the CMP No way to know. They extended the original round 4 ordering deadline from Sept 30 to Oct 31, so presumably sales were slower than they expected, even with increasing the lifetime limit to two. So I wouldn't say a round 5 is impossible. I'd advise your father to get a packet together and make sure he's got the club membership and marksmanship activity requirements covered. Then if and when a round 5 opens, he'll be ready to jump on it. |
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Posted: 11/25/2023 9:14:15 PM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sirbordsalot311: Does anyone know if there will be additional rounds for the CMP 1911s? My father is a Vietnam vet and he was expressing interest in buying one from the CMP Because the lifetime limit is now two, and people who got Round 3 guns in 2023 could not order a second this year in Round 4, I would assume* there will be some sort of Round 5, or Round 4 Part 2, for further orders next year. Since they were also allowing first time buyers in Round 4 as well, I would also assume* they would allow first time orders in any Round 5/4mkII as well. *But you know what happens when you assume. 
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CA, USA
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Posted: 11/25/2023 9:32:59 PM EDT
[#17]
Thanks, fellas. I’ll get him up to speed on the requirements and he can get it all together
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TX, USA
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Posted: 11/27/2023 3:07:18 PM EDT
[#18]
Got my call today. RGN 42571
They had rack and field grades available. I chose rack. |
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Posted: 11/27/2023 5:41:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Z09SS: I want to see the FOIA for this old girl. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Z09SS: Originally Posted By MiG-21: Round 3 I got a Field grade 1943 Remington Rand. Nice and very cool pistol, but nothing really special or uncommon. This week I got this. I hit the jackpot! All blued finish. Remington Rand slide on a 1919 Colt frame. It has A1 style finger cuts added to the frame behind the trigger. I've learned that makes it an early Korean War USMC rebuild. An advanced collector on the CMP forum said this is only the second one he's ever seen in its early blued finish. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/26154/IMG_6263_jpg-3028656.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/26154/IMG_6262_jpg-3028657.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/26154/IMG_6276_jpeg-3031480.JPG I want to see the FOIA for this old girl. Nothing super interesting. I’m sure all the interesting stuff was before DoD started keeping the records.  Attached File |
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Posted: 11/28/2023 3:56:24 PM EDT
[#20]
Got my number, 47k and change.
I’m still hung on whether I want another…. My round 2 gun is incredible so I doubt I’ll get a better one. But once they’re gone they’re gone…. Fo or not? |
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Posted: 11/28/2023 5:14:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Morgan321: Got my number, 47k and change. I’m still hung on whether I want another…. My round 2 gun is incredible so I doubt I’ll get a better one. But once they’re gone they’re gone…. Fo or not? You gotta do it. |
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Posted: 11/28/2023 6:52:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Suppo: You gotta do it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Suppo: Originally Posted By Morgan321: Got my number, 47k and change. I’m still hung on whether I want another…. My round 2 gun is incredible so I doubt I’ll get a better one. But once they’re gone they’re gone…. Fo or not? You gotta do it. FO! I've seen many more posts regretting missing the previous round than having the gun they got. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 11/29/2023 6:04:34 PM EDT
[#23]
RGN 42664, got my call today. All grades were available. Ordered a rack grade.
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TX, USA
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Posted: 11/29/2023 7:47:08 PM EDT
[#24]
Got my rack grade in today. Colt slide on an Ithaca frame. This one definitely has more character than my round 3 rack, but all of the parts look original except for a replacement barrel (and having a Colt slide of course). The slide and frame have very similar finish wear, so I'd guess they have been together for a long time.
 
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USA
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Posted: 11/29/2023 7:52:13 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BobTheGreat: Got my rack grade in today. Colt slide on an Ithaca frame. This one definitely has more character than my round 3 rack, but all of the parts look original except for a replacement barrel (and having a Colt slide of course). The slide and frame have very similar finish wear, so I'd guess they have been together for a long time. https://i.postimg.cc/WbR7Nnqb/20231129-172957.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/YCRVLVQx/20231129-173448.jpg Nice pistol. The WWI-era slide stop and (what appear to be matching) early-war grips are very cool. |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 11/30/2023 1:14:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BobTheGreat: Got my rack grade in today. Colt slide on an Ithaca frame. This one definitely has more character than my round 3 rack, but all of the parts look original except for a replacement barrel (and having a Colt slide of course). The slide and frame have very similar finish wear, so I'd guess they have been together for a long time. https://i.postimg.cc/WbR7Nnqb/20231129-172957.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/YCRVLVQx/20231129-173448.jpg The hammer appears to be post-war replacement too. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 11/30/2023 10:43:40 AM EDT
[#27]
Good eye on the slide stop. I missed seeing the
WW1 style undercut.  To me, the hammer appears to be an Ithaca serrated type (5 grooves) and matches other pictures I can find pretty well. Is there something that identifies it as post-war?  |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 11/30/2023 12:52:19 PM EDT
[#28]
Ithaca hammer should have 6 or 7 grooves. The 5 groove serrated hammer was post-war replacement.
Example of the original Ithaca hammer looks like.  
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TX, USA
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Posted: 11/30/2023 1:44:35 PM EDT
[#29]
Interesting. Thanks for the info.
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Posted: 12/3/2023 2:35:27 AM EDT
[#30]
Mine was:
1943 Ithaca frame 1943+ Remington-Rand slide Type 5 narrow Colt hammer 44-45 Remington-Rand mainspring housing Remington-Rand safety High Standard barrel Keyes Fiber 5564062 left grip Keyes Star-K 3 right grip Late, punched spring plug Late spring guide Rev-5 Rear Sight Remington-Rand stamped trigger Ithaca grip safety Type-3 magazine release 43-45 Remington-Rand slide stop It's representational of the M1911A1 I was issued back in '88-'89. That gun was a Colt frame and Remington Rand slide. I'd thought it was a complete Rem-Rand gun until I looked up the serial number from my arms room card. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 12/5/2023 10:37:58 PM EDT
[Last Edit: JohnRippert]
[#31]
Picked up my Round 4 Rack Grade today from my FFL. Ithaca frame with a Remignton Rand slide. Serial number comes out to late 1943. Both SA and ANAD 10 76 rebuild marks. The frame looks to be all original to me but I am not a expert on WWII 1911's. Keyes Lot 27 bakelite grips and a Vietnam era Checkmate magazine. Vietnam era S&W replacement barrel stamped SW on the lug. It just drips history with the finish wear and multiple rebuilds. Very happy with this one. Will make a excellent companion for my decom Marine M45A1.
      
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Posted: 12/6/2023 12:24:26 AM EDT
[#32]
Looks like I will need to submit a Navy FOIA request...
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Posted: 12/6/2023 3:25:16 AM EDT
[#33]
Round 2 field grade, RR frame and RR slide
  and just picked up last week, round 4 service grade. Was really leaning towards a range grade but they didn't come back in stock til the day after I got the call. Really happy with the service grade though. RR frame, RR slide.   |
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Posted: 12/6/2023 10:21:00 AM EDT
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I know I keep asking this, but what RGN are they up to currently? I'm just trying to keep track of how near or far they are from my number. I'd also extremely appreciate folks who get their gun letting us know what number they were so we can use this to gauge the progress up the numbers. Thanks, all.
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IA, USA
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Posted: 12/6/2023 10:38:53 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Polupharmakos: Looks like I will need to submit a Navy FOIA request... https://i.imgur.com/HtUOi8W.jpg My Army request was virtually identical. Haven't sent one into the Navy yet. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 12/6/2023 10:47:31 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sf46: I know I keep asking this, but what RGN are they up to currently? I'm just trying to keep track of how near or far they are from my number. I'd also extremely appreciate folks who get their gun letting us know what number they were so we can use this to gauge the progress up the numbers. Thanks, all. My RGN was 42664 for the one I picked up yesterday. |
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Posted: 12/6/2023 2:05:48 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sf46: I know I keep asking this, but what RGN are they up to currently? I'm just trying to keep track of how near or far they are from my number. I'd also extremely appreciate folks who get their gun letting us know what number they were so we can use this to gauge the progress up the numbers. Thanks, all. Looks like 42844 as of today. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 12/6/2023 4:20:02 PM EDT
[#38]
I truly feel sorry for the folks that purchased a gun from CMP not up to their expectations. I've seen a few images of the offending piece and have to agree with them. My brothers and I have purchased around 70 firearms from CMP and never have obtained a substandard specimen. I kept buying M1's until I hit the self imposed limit of 30, carbines half that number, and I'm going to snarf up every 1911/1911A1 the CMP will sell me. Rifles take space, handguns not so much. I've also noted the hard luck stories in regards to disposable cash and overriding need to redirect it to a more worthy non-gun purpose. Good Lord folks, we're talking about a bona fide USGI 1911. At the risk of offending some folks, what is more worthy than that! The 1911 program has been going on some four years and you're still making up your mind to buy one? Come on guys and gals, just do it. A lot of folks put it on the credit card and figure out how to pay for it later. I hear that's the American Way.
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TX, USA
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Posted: 12/6/2023 6:57:00 PM EDT
[#39]
Some people who go into this have WAY too high of expectations considering it is luck of the draw. Especially for the lower grades. Examples like mine do not look that good but have loads of history behind them. If one is looking for a nice collector's example then hit the CMP auction page or go on GB or similar, then prepare to pay through the nose. I have yet to buy a firearm from the CMP that disappointed me. And none of the ones I have sold over the years has lost me money either.
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Posted: 12/6/2023 8:18:53 PM EDT
[#40]
Just got my Navy FOIA back for my round 3. Rack grade Colt frame Ithaca Slide.
Looks like it spent over 20 years on the USS Tautog SSN 639.  Attached File Attached File Attached File |
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KY, USA
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Posted: 12/10/2023 6:57:42 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Polupharmakos: I got u fam https://i.imgur.com/i0HUwjr.jpg https://i.imgur.com/MFuzPQY.jpg https://i.imgur.com/PPSm13M.jpg https://i.imgur.com/ZE8M7Iz.jpg https://i.imgur.com/mrXvUa1.jpg https://i.imgur.com/7zQcpIU.jpg https://i.imgur.com/twHCtAe.jpg https://i.imgur.com/Tr0yzYk.jpg https://i.imgur.com/YTyZbGb.jpg https://i.imgur.com/z7pyNMe.jpg https://i.imgur.com/9FvVpmH.jpg https://i.imgur.com/0TsRlH7.jpg https://i.imgur.com/nnwiFMU.jpg Wished I could have gotten a Range grade but wasn't offered when I got the call. I'd say this SG is one hell of a consolation prize though. Fabulous serial number.😉 |
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Posted: 12/11/2023 5:37:05 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Polupharmakos: Looks like I will need to submit a Navy FOIA request... https://i.imgur.com/HtUOi8W.jpg My Army FOIA came back the same way. Was yours one with the large white rack numbers on the grips too? |
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Posted: 12/12/2023 12:57:34 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RichieRich3902: My Army FOIA came back the same way. Was yours one with the large white rack numbers on the grips too? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RichieRich3902: Originally Posted By Polupharmakos: Looks like I will need to submit a Navy FOIA request... https://i.imgur.com/HtUOi8W.jpg My Army FOIA came back the same way. Was yours one with the large white rack numbers on the grips too? Yup, post #4 this page. |
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Posted: 12/12/2023 10:54:01 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Polupharmakos: Yup, post #4 this page. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Polupharmakos: Originally Posted By RichieRich3902: Originally Posted By Polupharmakos: Looks like I will need to submit a Navy FOIA request... https://i.imgur.com/HtUOi8W.jpg My Army FOIA came back the same way. Was yours one with the large white rack numbers on the grips too? Yup, post #4 this page. Right on mine is numbered 191. With so many similar pistols reported I'd wager on some shore installation rather than a ships arms room, but we will see. |
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Posted: 12/12/2023 5:55:09 PM EDT
[Last Edit: glenn_r]
[#45]
Rack grade received about 10 days ago. Colt slide & frame, not sure about barrel. Sights are banged up, finish is worn, but I'm happy. I'm not a 1911 guy--what are the signs it's actually a Colt frame?
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USA
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Posted: 12/12/2023 6:56:10 PM EDT
[Last Edit: BePhreed]
[#46]
Wow, Glenn. Yours appears to be mostly correct and, likely, of original finish (check if the feedramp is "in the white"). Yours frame is recognizable as a Colt due to the serial number, font, and proof marks (both USGI and factory). Please post back with info regarding if the slide matches (marked under the firing pin stop) and the barrel marking (it appears to be wartime but may not be as-issued - many were swapped out due to the use of corrosive ammo). The slide stop, hammer, and at least one grip panel looks original as well. It was built in 1943. Others who know more will likely chime in with other information. Very nice pistol. I thought I was happy with my correct late-war CMP Colt, but would have preferred yours!
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USA
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Posted: 12/12/2023 6:59:48 PM EDT
[Last Edit: BePhreed]
[#47]
Edit. Error.
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Posted: 12/13/2023 8:38:51 AM EDT
[#48]
@BePhreed
Thanks for the info, I *really* appreciate it! Here are more photos.  Attached File Attached File Attached File Attached File Attached File |
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USA
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Posted: 12/13/2023 1:11:34 PM EDT
[#49]
You are welcome, and thanks for the additional photos. You have a post-war barrel and we'll have to see if someone can weigh in on the slide. I was a bit quick on the draw asking for an SN since your pistol was built immediately after they stopped stamping slides (around approximately 1140000). Enjoy it!
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Posted: 12/15/2023 5:19:32 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Morgan321]
[#50]
So did I make out on this one? Interweb says made 1945.
Inside looks news and shot very little. Has a couple storage/carry dings on the outside.  
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