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Posted: 2/14/2017 6:55:43 AM EDT
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The removable forend could make caliber/barrel conversions user level changes with the proper gas piston for each. I don't know if that will ever be a reality, but it could be done. http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e118/michealj88/IMG_0941_zps8jbv0iyb.jpg Thanks for that pic! 
What do those two silver-colored pins (?) do? Maybe B&T have caliber conversion kits up their sleeves. |
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Posted: 2/14/2017 6:56:53 AM EDT
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The 223 takes any regular ar mags. The 9 takes their own proprietary polymer mags, same mags as the tp9, p26, and kh9. And the 45 takes its own proprietary metal mags. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Didn't see this yet, but do they take proprietary mags (556)? What mags for the 9mm? The 223 takes any regular ar mags. The 9 takes their own proprietary polymer mags, same mags as the tp9, p26, and kh9. And the 45 takes its own proprietary metal mags. Do you happen to know why the APC45 mags are steel and not polymer? |
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Posted: 2/14/2017 6:57:32 AM EDT
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Thanks. I recently shot a Sig 552 and was amazed at how little recoil there was from 8.9" barrel. It really made me rethink these short barreled Swiss guns. Hopefully the APC with its 8.7" is the same Sounds like you need to buy a 553 pistol! 
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Posted: 2/14/2017 9:09:44 AM EDT
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Thanks for that pic!
What do those two silver-colored pins (?) do? Maybe B&T have caliber conversion kits up their sleeves. The pins are just for alignment as far as I can tell. |
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Posted: 2/14/2017 11:17:31 AM EDT
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Do you happen to know why the APC45 mags are steel and not polymer? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Didn't see this yet, but do they take proprietary mags (556)? What mags for the 9mm? The 223 takes any regular ar mags. The 9 takes their own proprietary polymer mags, same mags as the tp9, p26, and kh9. And the 45 takes its own proprietary metal mags. Do you happen to know why the APC45 mags are steel and not polymer? My best guess is because lowers on the 9 and 45's appear to be exactly the same. So I'm guessing a polymer 45 mag would have been to thick to fit into the magwell. |
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Posted: 2/14/2017 4:36:13 PM EDT
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I just wanted to post because I want to keep this thread alive. Really an awesome looking rifle. The B&T APC is so much more elegant in design than its peers. Too bad the price tag is so outrageous. Other than it's elegance I don't see what you are getting for twice the price of the Bren. Especially since it is quite similar in operation.
That said, if I had that kind of extra cash laying around I would get into APCs. |
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Posted: 2/14/2017 8:17:16 PM EDT
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I bought it just because I love the way it looks and to add to my collection, the fact that it shoots very well is just an added bonus. Other than better accuracy and looks, it is pretty much the same as my Bren and Scar.
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Posted: 2/20/2017 3:52:32 PM EDT
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I bought it just because I love the way it looks and to add to my collection, the fact that it shoots very well is just an added bonus. Other than better accuracy and looks, it is pretty much the same as my Bren and Scar. Yeah I guess that was my point. But it is cool to be unique. More power to you! |
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Posted: 2/21/2017 3:47:37 AM EDT
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The pins are just for alignment as far as I can tell. Similar in function to how some AR handguards have tabs? |
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Posted: 2/21/2017 3:49:59 AM EDT
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I just wanted to post because I want to keep this thread alive. Really an awesome looking rifle. The B&T APC is so much more elegant in design than its peers. Too bad the price tag is so outrageous. Other than it's elegance I don't see what you are getting for twice the price of the Bren. Especially since it is quite similar in operation. That said, if I had that kind of extra cash laying around I would get into APCs. Time to MAGA...and buy a Swiss rifle. 
Y'all are spoiled for choice down there...I practically have to buy one. Or a Swiss Arms. Or both. 
How much do the APC223 cost in the US? |
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Posted: 2/21/2017 3:51:17 AM EDT
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I bought it just because I love the way it looks and to add to my collection, the fact that it shoots very well is just an added bonus. Other than better accuracy and looks, it is pretty much the same as my Bren and Scar. It's blocky, but it has sleek angular lines. Sorta reminds me of the front end of the the newer Caddies. |
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Posted: 2/21/2017 6:44:45 AM EDT
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How much do the APC223 cost in the US? A little less than $3000.00 down here. What's the price up there in the frozen north? |
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Posted: 2/21/2017 3:00:18 PM EDT
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A little less than $3000.00 down here. What's the price up there in the frozen north? APC9 with 18.75" barrel - 2420 USD APC223-SA Canadian version with 18.5" barrel - 2698 USD APC223-SA with 18.78" Loather Walther barrel - 2963 USD APC223-SA with 10.4" barrel - 2794 USD I don't know why the Canadian version (unrestricted) is less expensive than the 10.4" version, usually a restricted version of a rifle is a less expensive up here. |
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Posted: 2/21/2017 3:03:19 PM EDT
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Are AR-15 stock adaptors available yet?
They're listed on the same retailer's site, no description or pictures though. 
And there doesn't seem to be anything on B&T's site either. 
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Posted: 2/21/2017 3:11:01 PM EDT
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Are AR-15 stock adaptors available yet? They're listed on the same retailer's site, no description or pictures though.
And there doesn't seem to be anything on B&T's site either. Mine came with a adapter. |
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Posted: 2/21/2017 4:16:21 PM EDT
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Mine came with a adapter. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Are AR-15 stock adaptors available yet? They're listed on the same retailer's site, no description or pictures though.
And there doesn't seem to be anything on B&T's site either. Mine came with a adapter. Due to the brace? (it just occurred to me that they could be using an AR15 brace) |
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Posted: 2/21/2017 5:06:17 PM EDT
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Due to the brace? (it just occurred to me that they could be using an AR15 brace) Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Are AR-15 stock adaptors available yet? They're listed on the same retailer's site, no description or pictures though.
And there doesn't seem to be anything on B&T's site either. Mine came with a adapter. Due to the brace? (it just occurred to me that they could be using an AR15 brace) All three of my apc's came with ar buffer tube adapters. And I think the brace for these mounts just like the factory stock would, not on a buffer tube. |
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Posted: 2/21/2017 5:41:57 PM EDT
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All three of my apc's came with ar buffer tube adapters. And I think the brace for these mounts just like the factory stock would, not on a buffer tube. Huh. The adapter is sold seperately here...202 USD 
The telescoping PDW-style wire stock costs 719USD
Interesting that they aren't just using an off-the-shelf brace. |
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Posted: 3/16/2017 7:06:15 PM EDT
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Does the APC 223 use standard AR trigger group ?
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Posted: 3/26/2017 11:35:14 AM EDT
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Yes, I installed a mil-spec trigger in mine for nfa compliance.
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Posted: 3/26/2017 1:48:30 PM EDT
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Yes, I installed a mil-spec trigger in mine for nfa compliance. |
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Posted: 3/26/2017 5:47:19 PM EDT
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Is it compatible with aftermarket triggers, like a Geissele? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yes, I installed a mil-spec trigger in mine for nfa compliance. |
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Posted: 3/28/2017 6:52:49 AM EDT
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I'm not sure, I will pull some triggers out of my AR's to see. I have Geissele, LMT, Knights and an old CMC two stage triggers. I'm pretty tied up for the next few weeks, but when I get some free time I'll see what fits.
Worst case scenario, I'd put a ALG Combat trigger or an ALG QMS trigger in it. |
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Posted: 3/29/2017 5:53:31 AM EDT
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@JoshNC
Will Geissele triggers function in the APC223? Will the ALG Combat Trigger function in the APC223? Thanks!
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Posted: 3/30/2017 6:50:31 PM EDT
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@JoshNC Will Geissele triggers function in the APC223? Will the ALG Combat Trigger function in the APC223? Thanks! |
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Posted: 3/31/2017 5:48:50 PM EDT
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Standard AR fcg (which includes ALG) will work. I have been told that the Geissele will not due to interference of the trigger with the APC selector axle. I have yet to try it myself.
That's unfortunate, but definitely not a deal-breaker.
Is B&T open to (or actively encouraging) third-parties developing aftermarket parts and accessories for the APC? |
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Posted: 4/1/2017 9:13:32 PM EDT
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Thanks for the info, Josh.
Is B&T open to (or actively encouraging) third-parties developing aftermarket parts and accessories for the APC? |
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Posted: 4/2/2017 12:22:26 PM EDT
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Neither my Larue MBT or Giessele SD-E would fit in my apc.
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Posted: 4/2/2017 1:35:30 PM EDT
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Thanks for the info, Josh.
Is B&T open to (or actively encouraging) third-parties developing aftermarket parts and accessories for the APC? I'll definitely be buying an APC223 before a Swiss Arms. APCs aren't as difficult to find here as Swiss Arms.
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Posted: 4/2/2017 1:36:48 PM EDT
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Neither my Larue MBT or Giessele SD-E would fit in my apc. |
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Posted: 4/3/2017 8:50:48 PM EDT
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Interfering with the APC selector axle, as Josh mentioned? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Neither my Larue MBT or Giessele SD-E would fit in my apc. |
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Posted: 4/10/2017 6:44:02 PM EDT
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Grest thread, thanks for all the pictures.
Could you do a comparison pic of the three bolts and pics looking down through the extrusions? |
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Posted: 4/14/2017 8:11:05 AM EDT
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Grest thread, thanks for all the pictures. Could you do a comparison pic of the three bolts and pics looking down through the extrusions? I might have the opportunity to take some pictures of the APC at a gun show today...
What do you mean by comparision of the three bolts? |
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Posted: 4/14/2017 9:04:27 AM EDT
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Grest thread, thanks for all the pictures. Could you do a comparison pic of the three bolts and pics looking down through the extrusions? 
021 by TX 556Mav, on Flickr 805, Scar, APC 
019 by TX 556Mav, on Flickr 
024 by TX 556Mav, on Flickr 
023 by TX 556Mav, on Flickr 
022 by TX 556Mav, on Flickr 
025 by TX 556Mav, on Flickr 
034 by TX 556Mav, on Flickr 805 
029 by TX 556Mav, on Flickr Scar 
031 by TX 556Mav, on Flickr APC 
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Posted: 4/17/2017 4:07:06 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/17/2017 10:24:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryThere are no bolt issues. Read the comments, specifically from TimNickler the CEO of B&T USA.
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Posted: 4/18/2017 12:38:12 AM EDT
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So in Canada machining and heat treating are "issues"? WTF Canada.
The only issue I've had with mine is feeding the damn thing is getting expensive, I'm approaching 2000 rounds and I really bought this thing for the novelty of it. My CZ Scorpion was supposed to become my main range toy and I think I've only fired about 500 rounds through it and I've owned it longer |
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Posted: 4/20/2017 7:01:05 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/20/2017 9:58:03 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/20/2017 2:52:26 PM EDT
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just bought one. I cant wait til it gets here. Any of you owners have any problems cycling it suppressed?
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Posted: 4/20/2017 11:26:21 PM EDT
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just bought one. I cant wait til it gets here. Any of you owners have any problems cycling it suppressed? |
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Posted: 4/21/2017 1:54:35 AM EDT
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any of you guys tried mounting a surefire warden or suppressor on to the oem flashhider or muzzle break. i threw on my warden since the FH looks identical to any of surefire's. it ratchets on perfectly like on my MB556k but im still a little hesitant to shoot it. thoughts? opinions? stop being a Pu$sy?
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Posted: 4/21/2017 9:15:54 AM EDT
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any of you guys tried mounting a surefire warden or suppressor on to the oem flashhider or muzzle break. i threw on my warden since the FH looks identical to any of surefire's. it ratchets on perfectly like on my MB556k but im still a little hesitant to shoot it. thoughts? opinions? stop being a Pu$sy? heres a cached page of the article Cached Page also more discussion here and on at CGN from owners aswell Page I'm still not sure why there's commotion about the finish, you guys have more APC 223 shooters up there and all I've seen is the pictures but no actual discussion as to reliability or function problems caused by it. My feeling is that there are people upset because their expensive rifle doesn't look perfect so they are lashing out on the forums. |
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Posted: 4/21/2017 1:42:17 PM EDT
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I thought I read that the flash hider was either made by Surefire or modeled after one of Surefires, I think you'd be safe shooting it. I'm still not sure why there's commotion about the finish, you guys have more APC 223 shooters up there and all I've seen is the pictures but no actual discussion as to reliability or function problems caused by it. My feeling is that there are people upset because their expensive rifle doesn't look perfect so they are lashing out on the forums. i dont find the finish a problem on mine. when i asked the question on CGN i had just never seen that before and was one of the first to ask. so i had no reference to others. thats why i asked, im not a machinist so ive never seen it before. my main concern was the light strikes with Federal AE (bulk ae223j) ammo and the trigger reset. first time out i had 7~ failure to fires out of 150 rounds shot and i noticed that the primers had considerably lighter dimples on all fired brass. ive taken it out again with M855, shot about 40 rounds of that with no hang up but im keeping my eye on it. |
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Posted: 4/21/2017 7:50:50 PM EDT
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any of you guys tried mounting a surefire warden or suppressor on to the oem flashhider or muzzle break. i threw on my warden since the FH looks identical to any of surefire's. it ratchets on perfectly like on my MB556k but im still a little hesitant to shoot it. thoughts? opinions? stop being a Pu$sy? |
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Posted: 4/24/2017 3:57:31 AM EDT
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any of you guys tried mounting a surefire warden or suppressor on to the oem flashhider or muzzle break. i threw on my warden since the FH looks identical to any of surefire's. it ratchets on perfectly like on my MB556k but im still a little hesitant to shoot it. thoughts? opinions? stop being a Pu$sy? heres a cached page of the article Cached Page also more discussion here and on at CGN from owners aswell Page |
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Posted: 4/24/2017 3:59:56 AM EDT
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i agree, people are expecting this sub MOA laser beam because of the price. but in reality its on par with my swiss arms so far. i dont find the finish a problem on mine. when i asked the question on CGN i had just never seen that before and was one of the first to ask. so i had no reference to others. thats why i asked, im not a machinist so ive never seen it before. my main concern was the light strikes with Federal AE (bulk ae223j) ammo and the trigger reset. first time out i had 7~ failure to fires out of 150 rounds shot and i noticed that the primers had considerably lighter dimples on all fired brass. ive taken it out again with M855, shot about 40 rounds of that with no hang up but im keeping my eye on it. 
The Swiss Arms rifles are very accurate with GP90.
Don't know how accurate they are with other match-grade ammo. |
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Posted: 4/24/2017 4:01:50 AM EDT
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@JoshNC
How is the barrel attached? How easy is it to change barrels? Will there be a .223 to 300BLK conversion kit? Thanks!
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Posted: 4/24/2017 6:23:59 AM EDT
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Those are some really fancy AR-180's you got there.
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