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Posted: 9/25/2018 1:35:13 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By mk4dubbin: whyyyyyyy proprietary x39 mags  Originally Posted By tifosi:
I assume it's because they need to utilize the same magazine retention system as standard AR mags, which is what allows them to make the basic receiver platform multi-caliber. A few include: Galil ACE Sig 556 Series |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 9/25/2018 3:11:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GaryT1776:
Yes, I too am a sad panda. Other designs allow for the use of standard AK pattern "rock in" magazines in contrast to their AR pattern siblings. A few include: Galil ACE Sig 556 Series Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GaryT1776:
Originally Posted By mk4dubbin: whyyyyyyy proprietary x39 mags Originally Posted By tifosi:
I assume it's because they need to utilize the same magazine retention system as standard AR mags, which is what allows them to make the basic receiver platform multi-caliber. A few include: Galil ACE Sig 556 Series |
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Posted: 9/25/2018 4:25:13 PM EDT
[#3]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JohnnyMcEldoo:
I'd rather have proprietary magazines with last round bolt hold open. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JohnnyMcEldoo:
Originally Posted By GaryT1776:
Originally Posted By mk4dubbin: whyyyyyyy proprietary x39 mags Originally Posted By tifosi:
I assume it's because they need to utilize the same magazine retention system as standard AR mags, which is what allows them to make the basic receiver platform multi-caliber. A few include: Galil ACE Sig 556 Series |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 9/25/2018 7:54:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Trpclfvr: The waffle pattern is a method for weight savings while retaining strength. It is the same concept for I-beams. Here is a photo of a TFE1042, a jet engine made by Honeywell for the Taiwan Indigenous fighter program. See the extensive weight savings from the casing. Lots of machining work to reduce the weight, while maintaining strength. https://www.aidc.com.tw/newsimages/B-2.jpg On polymer, I highly doubt you'll get much weight saving from that waffle pattern. It's about as significant as the weight saving from stippling and undercutting a Glock frame. That's a few grams tops. Not to mention triangle patterns are more rigid than square/rectangular ones, as shown in your example photo - which is why bridges and any heavy load bearing structures have triangular trusses. They did not go with a triangular pattern on the Bren. The weight savings on the Bren 2 primarily come from the gas system changes - shortened/milled out carrier, shorter op rod, etc. Waffling a few polymer parts won't achieve much, unless they actually skeletonize them. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 9/25/2018 10:55:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Apec:
I'm aware of that, but my argument is that it's not really achieving much here. On polymer, I highly doubt you'll get much weight saving from that waffle pattern. It's about as significant as the weight saving from stippling and undercutting a Glock frame. That's a few grams tops. Not to mention triangle patterns are more rigid than square/rectangular ones, as shown in your example photo - which is why bridges and any heavy load bearing structures have triangular trusses. They did not go with a triangular pattern on the Bren. The weight savings on the Bren 2 primarily come from the gas system changes - shortened/milled out carrier, shorter op rod, etc. Waffling a few polymer parts won't achieve much, unless they actually skeletonize them. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 9/25/2018 10:56:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JohnnyMcEldoo: I'd rather have proprietary magazines with last round bolt hold open. |
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KY, USA
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Posted: 9/26/2018 9:33:24 AM EDT
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Anywhere online still have any of the x39 shorter barrel versions (i.e. not the 14") with the SBA3 brace? Prepper Gun Shop appears sold out.
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Posted: 9/27/2018 4:35:17 PM EDT
[#8]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JohnnyMcEldoo: I'd rather have proprietary magazines with last round bolt hold open. |
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Posted: 9/27/2018 4:37:25 PM EDT
[#9]
Here's a BHO AK mag solution ....
 This solution requires a different follower, but a person could chose to use standard AK mags (and thus forego the BHO). |
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Posted: 9/27/2018 6:06:12 PM EDT
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I think a lot of manufacturers forego the AK mag compatibility in newer designs because of the utter crapshoot surplus AK mags are. Variations in dimensions, materials, quality, etc. No matter what they do, you still end up only working with 7 out of 10 magazines and having your product blamed for being junk because it won't run these rusty Egyptian magazines some dude found in grandpa's basement.
Sig 556R, PTR-32, PSA KS-47, and so on all suffer from this. There's no way a manufacturer can realistically test for all the possibilities, so then they end up hitching their best quality on the worst mag someone can find and post all over the internet. CZ using a proprietary mag makes sense in that world, plus it increases profits for them. Steyr was using their own design for the 7.62x39 AUG that's turned up at some Euro shows. The smart move would be for CZ, Steyr, and other interested parties to come up with a unified modern 7.62x39 design that was cross-compatible between firearms to help sell the idea of a refreshed ecosystem. It's been said before, but the fetishization of the AR/AK/Glock mag is tiresome and holds back sometimes better alternatives. |
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Posted: 9/28/2018 2:10:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JohnnyMcEldoo: I'd rather have proprietary magazines with last round bolt hold open. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 9/28/2018 3:36:51 PM EDT
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These mags seem to be working fine for the French GIGN....
Progress is a good thing and CZ doesn't make garbage. Im sure these mags will be absolutely fine in the long run and the weight savings is fantastic. |
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Posted: 9/28/2018 10:13:55 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Flogger23m]
[#13]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GaryT1776:
Yes, I too am a sad panda. Other designs allow for the use of standard AK pattern "rock in" magazines in contrast to their AR pattern siblings. A few include: Galil ACE Sig 556 Series Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GaryT1776:
Originally Posted By mk4dubbin: whyyyyyyy proprietary x39 mags Originally Posted By tifosi:
I assume it's because they need to utilize the same magazine retention system as standard AR mags, which is what allows them to make the basic receiver platform multi-caliber. A few include: Galil ACE Sig 556 Series Interestingly, GIGN went with this rather than .300 BO. Found that interesting. I hope they make that stock the standard one. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 9/29/2018 1:42:53 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Trpclfvr]
[#14]
 Failed To Load Title This was posted on another forum. Interesting in that a 20 round AK PMag was modified to fit. |
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Posted: 9/29/2018 2:38:07 PM EDT
[Last Edit: tifosi]
[#15]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Flogger23m: Ergonomics. This is a military rifle. They're not designing the gun for you to use cheap mags. If they want to actually sell the things, they'll not use AK mags. Everyone wants last round hold open and a bolt catch paddle to hit. Yeah some countries may bite with AK mags. Vietnam did with the Galil ACE. But they're a one off (although a big one). But practically everyone else wants modern ergonomics. Interestingly, GIGN went with this rather than .300 BO. Found that interesting. https://defence.pk/pdf/attachments/g1-jpg.481202/ I hope they make that stock the standard one.  Attached File |
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USA
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Posted: 9/29/2018 5:07:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Flogger23m: Ergonomics. This is a military rifle. They're not designing the gun for you to use cheap mags. If they want to actually sell the things, they'll not use AK mags. Everyone wants last round hold open and a bolt catch paddle to hit. Yeah some countries may bite with AK mags. Vietnam did with the Galil ACE. But they're a one off (although a big one). But practically everyone else wants modern ergonomics. Cameroon: In service with Battalion d'intervention rapide[12] Chad[12] Chile: Selected as the Chilean Army's new 5.56 mm standard-issue rifle.[13] In 2014, the ACE began to be deployed in the Chilean Army.[14] Colombia: Is the new standard-issue assault rifle of the Army, Navy (including Colombian Marine Corps), Air Force and Police of Colombia.[15] Manufactured by an agreement between Indumil and IWI for export markets in Colombia. El Salvador[16] Guatemala: 3,000 ACE 31s used by the Guatemalan Police.[17] Haiti: Used by certain Haitian police officers.[18] Honduras: ACE 21 used by the Honduran Army and Air Force.[citation needed] Ivory Coast[12] Mexico: Used by certain personnel of the Federal Police.[19] Nigeria[12] Paraguay: Used by the special forces of the Paraguayan National Police against insurgents in the north and in major drug operations on the Brazil–Paraguay border. Peru: The Peruvian government has plans to produce the ACE under license, establishing a factory to produce up to 2000 rifles per month.[20][21] Philippines: Philippine National Police uses the type as one of its major assault rifles as of 2018. San Juan City Police uses the ACE 21.[22] The Philippine Drug Enforcement Agency use both the ACE-N 21 and the ACE-N 22.[23] South Sudan: Used by the South Sudanese Armed Forces.[19][24] Chambered in 7.62x39 caliber.[12] Thailand: Royal Thai Army & Royal Thai Police.[25] Uganda: Galil ACES chambered in 7.62x39 caliber.[12] Ukraine: Produced under license since August 2014 by RPC Fort; ACE 22 as the “Fort-227”,[3] ACE 31 as the “Fort-228”,[26] and ACE 52 as the “Fort-229”.[27] Vietnam: ACE 31 and 32 have been selected as the standard-issue assault rifles in the People's Army of Vietnam, to gradually replace their current AK-47-derived weapons.[28] IWI has established a $100 million factory in Vietnam, to produce an unspecified number of Galil ACE assault rifles for the People's Army of Vietnam.[29] |
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Posted: 9/29/2018 5:08:38 PM EDT
[#17]
I spoke to IWI at the NRA Convention, and they specifically stated they designed the 7.62x39mm ACE to work with standard AK magazines because of the proliferation of those mags on the international market.
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NV, USA
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Posted: 9/29/2018 7:57:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tifosi:
Yeah, I like that stock they are using. Hopefully that will eventually make it to the States. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/78310/1920px-GIGN22_Domenjod_140618-687167.JPG |
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Posted: 9/29/2018 8:46:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By beanz2: Does anyone know what model of ACOG the GIGN uses? It looks like an ACOG, doesn't it? |
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Posted: 9/29/2018 8:48:51 PM EDT
[#20]
I really wish that I was as enthused about this as so many seem to be.
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NV, USA
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Posted: 9/29/2018 9:26:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By vmpglenn: TA02, battery-powered LED version. Does Trijicon offer a TA02 with 7.62x39 BDC? I only see .223 and .300 BO on their site. |
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Posted: 10/1/2018 10:22:07 AM EDT
[Last Edit: lilMAC25]
[#22]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By beanz2:
Thanks. Does Trijicon offer a TA02 with 7.62x39 BDC? I only see .223 and .300 BO on their site. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By beanz2:
Originally Posted By vmpglenn: TA02, battery-powered LED version. Does Trijicon offer a TA02 with 7.62x39 BDC? I only see .223 and .300 BO on their site. http://www.browe-inc.com/products/4x32-BROWE-Tactical-Optic-%252d-Custom-Built.html |
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SC, USA
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Posted: 10/1/2018 5:19:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lilMAC25:
Browe does. Better glass, better LED tech (automatic adjustment of brightness according to light level AT the target). http://www.browe-inc.com/products/4x32-BROWE-Tactical-Optic-%252d-Custom-Built.html |
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Posted: 10/1/2018 5:30:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GaryT1776:
Galil ACE Users: Cameroon: In service with Battalion d'intervention rapide[12] Chad[12] Chile: Selected as the Chilean Army's new 5.56 mm standard-issue rifle.[13] In 2014, the ACE began to be deployed in the Chilean Army.[14] Colombia: Is the new standard-issue assault rifle of the Army, Navy (including Colombian Marine Corps), Air Force and Police of Colombia.[15] Manufactured by an agreement between Indumil and IWI for export markets in Colombia. El Salvador[16] Guatemala: 3,000 ACE 31s used by the Guatemalan Police.[17] Haiti: Used by certain Haitian police officers.[18] Honduras: ACE 21 used by the Honduran Army and Air Force.[citation needed] Ivory Coast[12] Mexico: Used by certain personnel of the Federal Police.[19] Nigeria[12] Paraguay: Used by the special forces of the Paraguayan National Police against insurgents in the north and in major drug operations on the Brazil–Paraguay border. Peru: The Peruvian government has plans to produce the ACE under license, establishing a factory to produce up to 2000 rifles per month.[20][21] Philippines: Philippine National Police uses the type as one of its major assault rifles as of 2018. San Juan City Police uses the ACE 21.[22] The Philippine Drug Enforcement Agency use both the ACE-N 21 and the ACE-N 22.[23] South Sudan: Used by the South Sudanese Armed Forces.[19][24] Chambered in 7.62x39 caliber.[12] Thailand: Royal Thai Army & Royal Thai Police.[25] Uganda: Galil ACES chambered in 7.62x39 caliber.[12] Ukraine: Produced under license since August 2014 by RPC Fort; ACE 22 as the “Fort-227”,[3] ACE 31 as the “Fort-228”,[26] and ACE 52 as the “Fort-229”.[27] Vietnam: ACE 31 and 32 have been selected as the standard-issue assault rifles in the People's Army of Vietnam, to gradually replace their current AK-47-derived weapons.[28] IWI has established a $100 million factory in Vietnam, to produce an unspecified number of Galil ACE assault rifles for the People's Army of Vietnam.[29] Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GaryT1776:
Originally Posted By Flogger23m: Ergonomics. This is a military rifle. They're not designing the gun for you to use cheap mags. If they want to actually sell the things, they'll not use AK mags. Everyone wants last round hold open and a bolt catch paddle to hit. Yeah some countries may bite with AK mags. Vietnam did with the Galil ACE. But they're a one off (although a big one). But practically everyone else wants modern ergonomics. Cameroon: In service with Battalion d'intervention rapide[12] Chad[12] Chile: Selected as the Chilean Army's new 5.56 mm standard-issue rifle.[13] In 2014, the ACE began to be deployed in the Chilean Army.[14] Colombia: Is the new standard-issue assault rifle of the Army, Navy (including Colombian Marine Corps), Air Force and Police of Colombia.[15] Manufactured by an agreement between Indumil and IWI for export markets in Colombia. El Salvador[16] Guatemala: 3,000 ACE 31s used by the Guatemalan Police.[17] Haiti: Used by certain Haitian police officers.[18] Honduras: ACE 21 used by the Honduran Army and Air Force.[citation needed] Ivory Coast[12] Mexico: Used by certain personnel of the Federal Police.[19] Nigeria[12] Paraguay: Used by the special forces of the Paraguayan National Police against insurgents in the north and in major drug operations on the Brazil–Paraguay border. Peru: The Peruvian government has plans to produce the ACE under license, establishing a factory to produce up to 2000 rifles per month.[20][21] Philippines: Philippine National Police uses the type as one of its major assault rifles as of 2018. San Juan City Police uses the ACE 21.[22] The Philippine Drug Enforcement Agency use both the ACE-N 21 and the ACE-N 22.[23] South Sudan: Used by the South Sudanese Armed Forces.[19][24] Chambered in 7.62x39 caliber.[12] Thailand: Royal Thai Army & Royal Thai Police.[25] Uganda: Galil ACES chambered in 7.62x39 caliber.[12] Ukraine: Produced under license since August 2014 by RPC Fort; ACE 22 as the “Fort-227”,[3] ACE 31 as the “Fort-228”,[26] and ACE 52 as the “Fort-229”.[27] Vietnam: ACE 31 and 32 have been selected as the standard-issue assault rifles in the People's Army of Vietnam, to gradually replace their current AK-47-derived weapons.[28] IWI has established a $100 million factory in Vietnam, to produce an unspecified number of Galil ACE assault rifles for the People's Army of Vietnam.[29] Assuming reliability is on par, I see the BREN in 7.62x39 taking over the few customers the ACE 31/32 managed to gather. Still a niche, as almost everyone is moving to 5.56. |
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Posted: 10/2/2018 9:50:03 AM EDT
[Last Edit: lilMAC25]
[#25]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AKSU:
Do you own a Browe? Looking for actual user reviews. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AKSU:
Originally Posted By lilMAC25:
Browe does. Better glass, better LED tech (automatic adjustment of brightness according to light level AT the target). http://www.browe-inc.com/products/4x32-BROWE-Tactical-Optic-%252d-Custom-Built.html The glass (Schott) was absolutely stupendous (and I’m a believe in ACOGs, LOVE my TA33). The tech was ridiculously good. The reticle self adjusts to light intensity at the target or if you prefer you can set intensity yourself. Auto off, auto on. If I had owned another 7.62x39 rifle at the time I’d still own that optic. |
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Posted: 10/2/2018 12:23:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lilMAC25:
I did. I traded it (for a DBAL D2) after I sold the rifle it was on (Sig 556R) when Sig quit supporting the rifle. The glass (Schott) was absolutely stupendous (and I’m a believe in ACOGs, LOVE my TA33). The tech was ridiculously good. The reticle self adjusts to light intensity at the target or if you prefer you can set intensity yourself. Auto off, auto on. If I had owned another 7.62x39 rifle at the time I’d still own that optic. |
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Posted: 10/2/2018 6:28:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tifosi:
Yeah, I like that stock they are using. Hopefully that will eventually make it to the States. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/78310/1920px-GIGN22_Domenjod_140618-687167.JPG The bolt release inside the trigger guard seems awkward. In all other regards, though, it looks pretty awesome. |
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Posted: 10/2/2018 7:52:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Master_Blaster:
Nice looking rifle. I still can't get past the use of torque bolts to retain the barrel, though. Feels like a "tack on" approach, particularly when it requires 6 of them. 1 or 2 would be a cleaner implementation. But it was obviously based heavily on the FN, so that's how it goes. The bolt release inside the trigger guard seems awkward. In all other regards, though, it looks pretty awesome. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Master_Blaster:
Originally Posted By tifosi:
Yeah, I like that stock they are using. Hopefully that will eventually make it to the States. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/78310/1920px-GIGN22_Domenjod_140618-687167.JPG The bolt release inside the trigger guard seems awkward. In all other regards, though, it looks pretty awesome. They are small enough to be out of the way and not prone to be touched while firing, but if you retrain yourself, they are actually more convenient than the normal control on the left. Also, it's a ridiculously simple mechanism. It's all just one piece that slides up (or down) and is attached to the standard bolt hold open lever that an AR would have. (Push up, and it pushes up on the bolt hold lever, push down and it pulls the bolt hold lever down with it.) If it really bothered you, it'd be stupid simple to remove and not effect anything else at all, and you could use the control lever on the left, just like any AR. |
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Posted: 10/2/2018 8:43:40 PM EDT
[Last Edit: lilMAC25]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AKSU:
II think I’m going to order one for the CZ Bren S2 7.62x39 I just bought from Prepper. I need to decide between the BCO and BTO. I like the integral picatinny mount on the Tactical model. I wonder if it’s that big of a deal between the Titanium and forged aluminum housings. Thoughts? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AKSU:
Originally Posted By lilMAC25:
I did. I traded it (for a DBAL D2) after I sold the rifle it was on (Sig 556R) when Sig quit supporting the rifle. The glass (Schott) was absolutely stupendous (and I’m a believe in ACOGs, LOVE my TA33). The tech was ridiculously good. The reticle self adjusts to light intensity at the target or if you prefer you can set intensity yourself. Auto off, auto on. If I had owned another 7.62x39 rifle at the time I’d still own that optic. Is there any weight difference at all? I can’t recall. |
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Posted: 10/2/2018 10:03:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lilMAC25:
It’s really up to you. If the Ti housing is that big a deal, it’s only $90 more. I asked Bobro to make a mount for mine. Is there any weight difference at all? I can’t recall. |
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Posted: 10/5/2018 7:47:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AKSU:
Aluminum is 1 oz lighter Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AKSU:
Originally Posted By lilMAC25:
It’s really up to you. If the Ti housing is that big a deal, it’s only $90 more. I asked Bobro to make a mount for mine. Is there any weight difference at all? I can’t recall. |
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SC, USA
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Posted: 10/6/2018 12:38:39 PM EDT
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Picked mine up today.
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 10/6/2018 12:55:53 PM EDT
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I already have the 11", but still want the 14" version just so I can mount the CZ Bayonet on it. So tempting...
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NC, USA
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Posted: 10/6/2018 1:57:14 PM EDT
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Is that thing long enough to pin and weld?
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TX, USA
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Posted: 10/6/2018 3:26:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SpyHawk:
Is that thing long enough to pin and weld? |
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SC, USA
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Posted: 10/6/2018 6:00:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Trpclfvr:
I already have the 11", but still want the 14" version just so I can mount the CZ Bayonet on it. So tempting... |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 10/16/2018 7:06:49 PM EDT
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Military Arms Channel just did a video. > Link.
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TX, USA
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Posted: 10/16/2018 9:39:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JohnnyMcEldoo:
I'd rather have proprietary magazines with last round bolt hold open. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JohnnyMcEldoo:
Originally Posted By GaryT1776:
Originally Posted By mk4dubbin: whyyyyyyy proprietary x39 mags Originally Posted By tifosi:
I assume it's because they need to utilize the same magazine retention system as standard AR mags, which is what allows them to make the basic receiver platform multi-caliber. A few include: Galil ACE Sig 556 Series 
To CZ's credit, the 7.62 mags seem nice. I also don't see why you couldn't use plentiful 7.62 AR magazines with the AR insert, either. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 10/16/2018 9:41:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Apec:
I'm aware of that, but my argument is that it's not really achieving much here. On polymer, I highly doubt you'll get much weight saving from that waffle pattern. It's about as significant as the weight saving from stippling and undercutting a Glock frame. That's a few grams tops. Not to mention triangle patterns are more rigid than square/rectangular ones, as shown in your example photo - which is why bridges and any heavy load bearing structures have triangular trusses. They did not go with a triangular pattern on the Bren. The weight savings on the Bren 2 primarily come from the gas system changes - shortened/milled out carrier, shorter op rod, etc. Waffling a few polymer parts won't achieve much, unless they actually skeletonize them. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Apec:
Originally Posted By Trpclfvr: The waffle pattern is a method for weight savings while retaining strength. It is the same concept for I-beams. Here is a photo of a TFE1042, a jet engine made by Honeywell for the Taiwan Indigenous fighter program. See the extensive weight savings from the casing. Lots of machining work to reduce the weight, while maintaining strength. https://www.aidc.com.tw/newsimages/B-2.jpg On polymer, I highly doubt you'll get much weight saving from that waffle pattern. It's about as significant as the weight saving from stippling and undercutting a Glock frame. That's a few grams tops. Not to mention triangle patterns are more rigid than square/rectangular ones, as shown in your example photo - which is why bridges and any heavy load bearing structures have triangular trusses. They did not go with a triangular pattern on the Bren. The weight savings on the Bren 2 primarily come from the gas system changes - shortened/milled out carrier, shorter op rod, etc. Waffling a few polymer parts won't achieve much, unless they actually skeletonize them. |
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Posted: 10/16/2018 9:46:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GaryT1776:
I spoke to IWI at the NRA Convention, and they specifically stated they designed the 7.62x39mm ACE to work with standard AK magazines because of the proliferation of those mags on the international market. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 10/16/2018 9:52:09 PM EDT
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Anyone comment yet on how paper-thin the receiver is in those lightening cuts on the side? It's the one design choice that gives me some pause...but on the other hand, it's probably 7075-T6 and pretty dang tough, plus you'd have to strike the gun with something sharp to avoid the thicker sides of the pockets. I dunno how much better the SCAR would handle things in that department (and I don't plan on braining any of my guns with a ball-peen hammer)
Mostly the receiver looks like it'd be annoying to machine as nicely as they did it
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WA, USA
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Posted: 10/16/2018 9:58:50 PM EDT
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I'm loving the looks of the flash suppressor on this rifle, I'm wondering if it will be made available by itself in 1/2 x 28 so we can put it on anything we want to.
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USA
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Posted: 10/17/2018 11:30:49 PM EDT
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Has there been any word on what the differences the "official" release will have vs the one they just did?
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GU, USA
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Posted: 10/17/2018 11:34:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 556Cliff:
I'm loving the looks of the flash suppressor on this rifle, I'm wondering if it will be made available by itself in 1/2 x 28 so we can put it on anything we want to. But it is threaded 1/2x28 |
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NV, USA
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Posted: 10/18/2018 1:30:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 556Cliff:
I'm loving the looks of the flash suppressor on this rifle, I'm wondering if it will be made available by itself in 1/2 x 28 so we can put it on anything we want to. |
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GU, USA
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Posted: 10/18/2018 3:44:06 AM EDT
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Can anyone who has a Bren 2s in 5.56, confirm if their flash supressor is bored out bigger for the 7.62x39?
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Posted: 10/18/2018 10:39:00 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Blackhalo]
[#47]
I'm waiting for the .308... think I finally will have found a home for my SF 7.62 mini. Hopefully we see it sometime next year.
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Posted: 10/18/2018 10:53:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Seattle206:
Do they have any plans to release it in .308? |
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Posted: 10/18/2018 11:21:05 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AKSU:
Picked mine up today. https://i.imgur.com/TFRvLt9.jpg https://i.imgur.com/qyb7WSR.jpg |
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GU, USA
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Posted: 10/18/2018 3:58:25 PM EDT
[Last Edit: ar671]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AKSU:
Picked mine up today. https://i.imgur.com/TFRvLt9.jpg https://i.imgur.com/qyb7WSR.jpg I picked up the 11" |
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