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Posted: 2/16/2024 10:37:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Into_the_Void: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/220444/1000007642_jpg-3131276.JPG Very nice, is that an M24 or AEM5-30? |
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Posted: 2/17/2024 9:00:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jarth: Very nice, is that an M24 or AEM5-30? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jarth: Originally Posted By Into_the_Void: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/220444/1000007642_jpg-3131276.JPG Very nice, is that an M24 or AEM5-30? Regular old aem5. Rifle is chambered in 22-250.  Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 2/18/2024 12:05:37 PM EDT
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What's the consensus on barrels to use with an M4 suppressor?
I was planning on using a 14.5 Pencil profile barrel, but all the builds I see of the "Gordon" style guns have 14.5 M4 profiles. Is the heavier profile better in this case? Or does it not matter? |
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OK, USA
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Posted: 2/18/2024 4:42:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Flyit14: What's the consensus on barrels to use with an M4 suppressor? I was planning on using a 14.5 Pencil profile barrel, but all the builds I see of the "Gordon" style guns have 14.5 M4 profiles. Is the heavier profile better in this case? Or does it not matter? Pretty sure the M4 collar needs an M4 profile forward of the FSB. |
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Posted: 2/18/2024 5:06:55 PM EDT
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Guys, I'm trying to remember an old setup I had. It was a a government profile Ballistic Advantage 12.5-inch barrel with carbine gas and an old FSP paired with my AEM5 but I can't remember what collar I ran. I wanna say it was the M4 collar but the barrel required zero modification from the manufacturer.
I'm retooling my '90s Delta carbine and decided it needs the AME5 instead of the NT4. |
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Posted: 2/18/2024 5:33:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RTUtah: Guys, I'm trying to remember an old setup I had. It was a a government profile Ballistic Advantage 12.5-inch barrel with carbine gas and an old FSP paired with my AEM5 but I can't remember what collar I ran. I wanna say it was the M4 collar but the barrel required zero modification from the manufacturer. I'm retooling my '90s Delta carbine and decided it needs the AME5 instead of the NT4. It was the M4 to AEM5 collar. |
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Posted: 2/18/2024 5:55:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Outrider: It was the M4 to AEM5 collar. I'm hoping it's this one. My bro somehow got mine and just sent me this pic.  Attached File |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 2/18/2024 6:08:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Outrider: It was the M4 to AEM5 collar. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Outrider: Originally Posted By RTUtah: Guys, I'm trying to remember an old setup I had. It was a a government profile Ballistic Advantage 12.5-inch barrel with carbine gas and an old FSP paired with my AEM5 but I can't remember what collar I ran. I wanna say it was the M4 collar but the barrel required zero modification from the manufacturer. I'm retooling my '90s Delta carbine and decided it needs the AME5 instead of the NT4. It was the M4 to AEM5 collar. Depends on the spec for the barrel. I have a 12.5” BA barrel and I’m pretty sure the OD isn’t the same as a “M4” barrel. I just sent measurements to Ron and he sent the correct sized collar. Looks similar to the one in the pic above. |
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Posted: 2/18/2024 8:40:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MK3110: Depends on the spec for the barrel. I have a 12.5” BA barrel and I’m pretty sure the OD isn’t the same as a “M4” barrel. I just sent measurements to Ron and he sent the correct sized collar. Looks similar to the one in the pic above. The M4 to AEM5 collar used to be a standard/stocked item but barrel specs varied so widely that it became a “machined to order” thing. |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 2/18/2024 9:09:28 PM EDT
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The AEM5 on M4 collar has a longer .852 diameter section so I can get the taper back farther on the barrel. The standard M4 collar is around 1.47" long and the AEM5 on M4
collar is around 1.875 long. |
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Posted: 2/18/2024 9:16:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By k31user: The AEM5 on M4 collar has a longer .852 diameter section so I can get the taper back farther on the barrel. The standard M4 collar is around 1.47" long and the AEM5 on M4 collar is around 1.875 long. Is it possible to machine a collar for a 12.5" 0.625 "pencil" style barrel (a Criterion Core, specifically)? |
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Posted: 2/18/2024 9:30:14 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Flyit14]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CowboyWubWub: Pretty sure the M4 collar needs an M4 profile forward of the FSB. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CowboyWubWub: Originally Posted By Flyit14: What's the consensus on barrels to use with an M4 suppressor? I was planning on using a 14.5 Pencil profile barrel, but all the builds I see of the "Gordon" style guns have 14.5 M4 profiles. Is the heavier profile better in this case? Or does it not matter? Pretty sure the M4 collar needs an M4 profile forward of the FSB. Yeah I was talking about the M4 suppressor that's a direct thread and uses the 3 piece collar. For the AEM5 on a non SPR barrel you would be correct though. |
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Posted: 2/18/2024 9:31:52 PM EDT
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I should've bought an M4S back in the day
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Posted: 2/19/2024 2:07:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SaturationTech: Hahnson Brothers has 2 AEM5s in stock currently. If anyone is looking. This got me to take the plunge. Gotta finish out my Mk12-ish build. I picked up a muzzle brake and the SPR collar. This should allow me to mount this on my WOA SPR barrel, yeah? |
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Posted: 2/19/2024 7:25:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lothbrok: This got me to take the plunge. Gotta finish out my Mk12-ish build. I picked up a muzzle brake and the SPR collar. This should allow me to mount this on my WOA SPR barrel, yeah? It should. I used a WOA barrel and ended up having to get a custom collar from Ron Allen. The stock one didn't give me enough turns for proper mounting. |
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Posted: 2/19/2024 7:42:02 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/19/2024 7:51:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryAll wearing the same AEM5, I presume? Looking good |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 2/20/2024 6:10:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SaturationTech: Hahnson Brothers has 2 AEM5s in stock currently. If anyone is looking. ADCO still has one Sparks NV AEM5 in stock. They had 4 for awhile and when they got down to 2 I snagged one for myself. |
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Posted: 2/20/2024 10:14:51 PM EDT
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@K31user for the Gordon collar (14.5 barrel length) did you say the minimum barrel thickness needs to be .570?
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USA
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Posted: 2/22/2024 1:49:39 AM EDT
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I picked up my Allen M4 suppressor (bought from TA) after an exceedingly fast seven week E Form 4 approval. I wasn’t aware the collar/sleeve that shipped with it is a blank. Is that correct? Was the sleeve always intended to be machined for the barrel? Any options other than to send this out to have machined or can I trust a local machinist to bore it out to the correct dimension?
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Posted: 2/22/2024 9:11:13 AM EDT
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Yes, it is shipped oversized. Due to variations in barrel diameters, it needs to be matched to your barrel. According to ADCO, the front taper that interfaces with the back of the suppressor needs to be turned down too. I asked that question in the ADCO forum on here. I’d send it to them honestly. D Wilson is also highly regarded.
I was quoted $40 for the service. |
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Posted: 2/24/2024 10:43:17 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/24/2024 10:46:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryNow this is a cool build. I had one similar back in the day when my only can was the M5 but it was set up as a Mk18 Mod0. |
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Posted: 2/25/2024 7:07:50 PM EDT
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 Been too long. Back out MK12ish back out on the range yesterday. |
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Posted: 2/28/2024 9:57:29 AM EDT
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Ok. I think I am going to finally bite the bullet and invest in two bolt action builds. Who is the best place for the following:
Barreled action - 5.56 - M24 Match with AEM5 no-collar profile. Barreled action - .308 - M24 Match with AEM530 no-collar profile. Do I need to get the barrels from one source, the actions from another, and a third place for the install and headspacing? @bigbore is this in your wheelhouse? |
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Posted: 2/28/2024 10:17:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By goloud: Ok. I think I am going to finally bite the bullet and invest in two bolt action builds. Who is the best place for the following: Barreled action - 5.56 - M24 Match with AEM5 no-collar profile. Barreled action - .308 - M24 Match with AEM530 no-collar profile. Do I need to get the barrels from one source, the actions from another, and a third place for the install and headspacing? @bigbore is this in your wheelhouse? I'm not sure what "M24 Match" means? It sounds like you are asking about custom builds that could run several hundred dollars to several thousand dollars. The most economical thing I can suggest is buy used Remington 700s off gunbroker in 5.56 and .308. Send the barreled actions to Douglas Barrels to have heavy SS barrels installed. Then you can send me the stripped barreled actions to cut down and thread/contour for the AE cans. Just make sure to have them install longer than desired barrels so they can be cut down. |
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Posted: 2/28/2024 10:20:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By goloud: Ok. I think I am going to finally bite the bullet and invest in two bolt action builds. Who is the best place for the following: Barreled action - 5.56 - M24 Match with AEM5 no-collar profile. Barreled action - .308 - M24 Match with AEM530 no-collar profile. Do I need to get the barrels from one source, the actions from another, and a third place for the install and headspacing? @bigbore is this in your wheelhouse? Build your own. Zermatt Origin/equivalent action and then get a prefit barrel of your choice made to AE specs. |
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Posted: 2/28/2024 11:59:36 AM EDT
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@bigbore do yall sell the 3 piece Gordon collars now? Or do i need to email Ron.
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Posted: 2/28/2024 1:15:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Brandonbeezy: @bigbore do yall sell the 3 piece Gordon collars now? Or do i need to email Ron. I'm sold out. Not sure if Ron is still making them. |
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Posted: 2/28/2024 2:02:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bigbore: I'm sold out. Not sure if Ron is still making them. Ok thanks, I'll email Ron and ask. If not, I'll just wait for you to restock. |
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OR, USA
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Posted: 2/28/2024 7:10:24 PM EDT
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Any source for 5/8x24 AEM5/12th mode Muzzle Brakes?
I was super excited to see 30 cal AEM5s hit the market but it looks like all the brakes are gone, I found somewhere with one 1/2x28 for $200+ but no 30 cal at any price. I’d love to finally get the can for my Mk12 in 6.5 Grendel but not if I’ll only ever be able to use it on one rifle. |
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Posted: 2/28/2024 7:33:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Brandonbeezy: Ok thanks, I'll email Ron and ask. If not, I'll just wait for you to restock. I have them in stock. |
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Posted: 2/28/2024 7:35:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mblades: Any source for 5/8x24 AEM5/12th mode Muzzle Brakes? I was super excited to see 30 cal AEM5s hit the market but it looks like all the brakes are gone, I found somewhere with one 1/2x28 for $200+ but no 30 cal at any price. I’d love to finally get the can for my Mk12 in 6.5 Grendel but not if I’ll only ever be able to use it on one rifle. I just sent some to Trajectory. Should have them by Monday or so. I have a second CNC lathe coming in tomorrow so I will be doing a better job of keeping up on brakes soon. |
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Posted: 2/28/2024 7:49:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mblades: Any source for 5/8x24 AEM5/12th mode Muzzle Brakes? I was super excited to see 30 cal AEM5s hit the market but it looks like all the brakes are gone, I found somewhere with one 1/2x28 for $200+ but no 30 cal at any price. I’d love to finally get the can for my Mk12 in 6.5 Grendel but not if I’ll only ever be able to use it on one rifle. I have 5/8 .30 brakes in stock. |
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Posted: 2/28/2024 8:47:20 PM EDT
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Ron, any update you'd like to share on the run of M24s?
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Posted: 2/28/2024 11:10:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bigbore: I'm not sure what "M24 Match" means? It sounds like you are asking about custom builds that could run several hundred dollars to several thousand dollars. The most economical thing I can suggest is buy used Remington 700s off gunbroker in 5.56 and .308. Send the barreled actions to Douglas Barrels to have heavy SS barrels installed. Then you can send me the stripped barreled actions to cut down and thread/contour for the AE cans. Just make sure to have them install longer than desired barrels so they can be cut down. what's a good price on a used 700? |
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Posted: 2/28/2024 11:21:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bigbore: I have 5/8 .30 brakes in stock. |
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Posted: 2/29/2024 1:00:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bigbore: I have 5/8 .30 brakes in stock. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bigbore: Originally Posted By Mblades: Any source for 5/8x24 AEM5/12th mode Muzzle Brakes? I was super excited to see 30 cal AEM5s hit the market but it looks like all the brakes are gone, I found somewhere with one 1/2x28 for $200+ but no 30 cal at any price. I’d love to finally get the can for my Mk12 in 6.5 Grendel but not if I’ll only ever be able to use it on one rifle. I have 5/8 .30 brakes in stock. I suck at the internet, I swear ADCO was one of the first places I checked. |
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Posted: 2/29/2024 5:45:30 AM EDT
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Form 1 cleared Monday,Form 4 cleared yesterday, last night I picked up my M4 on my way home! Sent barrel and collar to ADCO for chop/thread…..can’t wait to get this going!
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Posted: 2/29/2024 7:32:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By metalsaber: Any timeline on 5.56 brakes? I believe Ron shipped me some today, so early next week. |
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Posted: 2/29/2024 7:34:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bradpierson26: what's a good price on a used 700? $6-700 |
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Posted: 2/29/2024 7:35:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dangerdan: I should've bought an M4S back in the day I rarely shoot mine because the upper it’s on has a cheese grater for a handguard. |
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Posted: 2/29/2024 9:21:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bigbore: I believe Ron shipped me some today, so early next week. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bigbore: Originally Posted By metalsaber: Any timeline on 5.56 brakes? I believe Ron shipped me some today, so early next week.  |
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Posted: 3/1/2024 2:25:43 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/1/2024 8:17:40 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/1/2024 8:48:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Into_the_Void: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/220444/1000004998_jpg-3146337.JPG Specs if you don’t mind. And who did your barrel work? |
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Posted: 3/1/2024 9:39:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Outrider]
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Bolt gun page
Zermatt Origin Action with Southern Precision prefit. They missed the barrel taper so Ron helped turn it down and do a collar. KRG Bravo stock and Geissele trigger. Another good value action seems to be the Mack Bros. I want to do a 8.6 bolty with their action.  
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Posted: 3/1/2024 10:05:38 PM EDT
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I just had a savage prefit done by theurbanriflemanstore.com He machined the taper in the barrel, I think he is using wilson blanks. I got everything put together and it fit up with 7 turns.
Rws built my rem700 for my m24 and he knocked that out too. That took about 8 or so months with me supplying everything. With 169smks I got .36 group and .4 with load testing |
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Posted: 3/2/2024 7:00:43 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/2/2024 8:46:53 PM EDT
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Took the Gordon clone out to a 2 gun match today….and took 2nd overall and 1st in my Division
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