MK16/MK17/MK20 Clone, Photo and Discussion Thread. - Page 2

MK16/MK17/MK20 Clone, Photo and Discussion Thread. (Page 2 of 38)

iluvmy86 Member Joined Jan 2008 Posts 476 EE 100% (55) WA, USA	Posted: 5/17/2018 10:31:55 PM EDT [#1] Was the Surefire Socom Suppressors ever used on MK16 or Mk17?

Tengo1 Team Member Joined Feb 2009 Posts 1259 EE 100% (82) NV, USA	Posted: 5/17/2018 11:34:31 PM EDT [#2] Quote History Originally Posted By iluvmy86: Was the Surefire Socom Suppressors ever used on MK16 or Mk17? View Quote All the pictures I've ever seen are AAC or FN's factory suppressor.

eMc9001 Member Joined Feb 2017 Posts 671 EE 100% (174) NC, USA	Posted: 5/18/2018 7:12:02 PM EDT [#3] Quote History Originally Posted By iluvmy86: Was the Surefire Socom Suppressors ever used on MK16 or Mk17? View Quote I wish, they are way easier to find than the AAC SCAR H SD.
	- Selling left nut for a Wilcox NF T1/MRDS mount.

56cbr600rr Member Joined Sep 2013 Posts 539 EE 100% (20) GA, USA	Posted: 5/21/2018 1:02:24 AM EDT [#4] NF 2.5-10x24 ever seen on a mk16?

byou79 Joined Jan 2015 Posts 707 EE 100% (80) VA, USA	Posted: 5/26/2018 9:56:22 PM EDT [Last Edit: byou79] [#5] My lowly contribution. Great thread by the way.

prskiller Member Joined Jun 2013 Posts 2734 EE 100% (144) USA	Posted: 5/29/2018 12:15:56 PM EDT [#6]
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chi-townadam Joined Mar 2017 Posts 32 EE 100% (5) IL, USA	Posted: 5/31/2018 2:56:23 AM EDT [Last Edit: chi-townadam] [#7] The cloning is strong with this one.

eMc9001 Member Joined Feb 2017 Posts 698 EE 100% (174) NC, USA	Posted: 6/2/2018 5:14:44 PM EDT [#8] Progress on the 17. Got the UID label, Tango grip, ditched the MREX for stock rails, MITER, Atlas bipod. Still need A2 grip, stock CH, safety. Form 1 was filed 2 months ago and last but not least need the damn optic which I can't decide on an Elcan or 2.5-10x24.
	- Selling left nut for a Wilcox NF T1/MRDS mount.

Flogger23m Joined Apr 2009 Posts 8350 EE 0% (0) USA	Posted: 6/3/2018 1:51:34 AM EDT [#9] Does anyone have a picture of a SCAR 16 with a 18" barrel? Skimmed through the pics and didn't see one. I don't think I've ever seen a picture. Can't imagine it was ever produced in any large numbers because barrels over 16" fell out of favor by the time the SCAR entered production, but it would be interesting to see one anyways.

MCDXXV Member Joined Jun 2009 Posts 8967 EE 100% (34) USA	Posted: 6/3/2018 8:16:55 PM EDT [#10] Some pics that popped up in the fb group Attached File Attached File

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Posted: 6/3/2018 9:11:07 PM EDT

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Originally Posted By AZJBT:
Some pics that popped up in the fb group

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/209294/E0D78831-474A-4BDE-A828-817D7BEBA706-565175.JPG

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Hopefully they ran that safety wire in front of the charging handle on that top SCAR.

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MCDXXV Member Joined Jun 2009 Posts 8971 EE 100% (34) USA	Posted: 6/3/2018 9:46:32 PM EDT [#12] Quote History Originally Posted By SecretSquirell: Hopefully they ran that safety wire in front of the charging handle on that top SCAR. View Quote IIRC the person who snapped the photos said they were at some display. I’d imagine it was just to prevent theft at said event.

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Posted: 6/3/2018 10:04:53 PM EDT

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Originally Posted By AZJBT:
IIRC the person who snapped the photos said they were at some display. I’d imagine it was just to prevent theft at said event.

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Originally Posted By SecretSquirell:

Hopefully they ran that safety wire in front of the charging handle on that top SCAR.

IIRC the person who snapped the photos said they were at some display. I’d imagine it was just to prevent theft at said event.

That's what I figured. It even looks like they might've ran safety wire through the receiver on the Mk20. Maybe to keep people from racking them as well.

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Tengo1 Team Member Joined Feb 2009 Posts 1266 EE 100% (82) NV, USA	Posted: 6/12/2018 1:28:13 AM EDT [#14] Attached File

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NikolaFermi NorCal_LEO Callsign: Old Dirty Bastard Joined Jan 2014 Posts 3109 EE 100% (91) TX, USA	Posted: 6/12/2018 3:34:30 AM EDT [#17] Anybody know the proper ring mount height for the nxs 2.5-10x24?
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Posted: 6/12/2018 10:10:18 AM EDT

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Originally Posted By NikolaFermi:
Anybody know the proper ring mount height for the nxs 2.5-10x24?

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Assuming you're going with Nightforce rings, the 1.375" are the minimum height I would consider to clear the BUIS (for reference, that is the height of the rings pictured in Kalmar's pic you quoted in the other thread), but the standard rubber rear flip caps will interfere with the BUIS depending how rearward you have the scope mounted.

I personally like higher-mounted optics and, were I to do it all over again, I'd get the 1.5" height.

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Posted: 6/12/2018 4:30:50 PM EDT

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Originally Posted By cmcflex:

Assuming you're going with Nightforce rings, the 1.375" are the minimum height I would consider to clear the BUIS (for reference, that is the height of the rings pictured in Kalmar's pic you quoted in the other thread), but the standard rubber rear flip caps will interfere with the BUIS depending how rearward you have the scope mounted.

I personally like higher-mounted optics and, were I to do it all over again, I'd get the 1.5" height.

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Thanks! I was looking at the 1.375" height but I have realized the Geissele mount I was using is just about 1.5".

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Anyone got clone optics suggestions? Literally the last thing I need for this build minus a PEQ15. I absolutely love my 3.5-15 F1 on my MK12 but I think it look's goofy as hell on the MK17. I have never tried an Elcan nor do I know someone who owns one and I've used the 2.5-10x24 and own one for my RECCE build but the chances of me scoring a Wilcox mount are second to none so I'm not really considering it unless I can get one. All 3 setups are pretty much priced closed together. Thoughts?

- Selling left nut for a Wilcox NF T1/MRDS mount.

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Posted: 6/16/2018 9:25:17 PM EDT

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Anyone got clone optics suggestions? Literally the last thing I need for this build minus a PEQ15. I absolutely love my 3.5-15 F1 on my MK12 but I think it look's goofy as hell on the MK17. I have never tried an Elcan nor do I know someone who owns one and I've used the 2.5-10x24 and own one for my RECCE build but the chances of me scoring a Wilcox mount are second to none so I'm not really considering it unless I can get one. All 3 setups are pretty much priced closed together. Thoughts?

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Which Wilcox mount and what is it for?

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eMc9001 Member Joined Feb 2017 Posts 763 EE 100% (174) NC, USA	Posted: 6/17/2018 7:06:02 AM EDT [#22] Quote History Originally Posted By NikolaFermi: Which Wilcox mount and what is it for? View Quote As shown on Kalmar's rifle. It's a doctor red dot mount that replaces your top NF ring. Pretty rare to come by and pricey at that.
	- Selling left nut for a Wilcox NF T1/MRDS mount.

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Posted: 6/17/2018 11:30:20 AM EDT

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Originally Posted By eMc9001:

As shown on Kalmar's rifle.

https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/934/41569563212_c9dc2bbc2d_k.jpg

It's a doctor red dot mount that replaces your top NF ring. Pretty rare to come by and pricey at that.

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I see now, yes I read somewhere that a proper top ring half RDS mount for nightforce rings is non-existent? However given there actually is, but being made by wilcox then yes might as well be, so pricey I can only imagine.

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Posted: 6/17/2018 11:42:39 AM EDT

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Originally Posted By NikolaFermi:

I see now, yes I read somewhere that a proper top ring half RDS mount for nightforce rings is non-existent? However given there actually is, but being made by wilcox then yes might as well be, so pricey I can only imagine.

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Make that "made" - past tense. I had one. Nice piece, but you pay for it.

eMc9001 Member Joined Feb 2017 Posts 764 EE 100% (174) NC, USA	Posted: 6/17/2018 12:48:49 PM EDT [#25] Quote History Originally Posted By minion42: Make that "made" - past tense. I had one. Nice piece, but you pay for it. View Quote Yup, Haven't seen one for less than $700.
	- Selling left nut for a Wilcox NF T1/MRDS mount.

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Yup, Haven't seen one for less than $700.

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Originally Posted By minion42:

Make that "made" - past tense. I had one. Nice piece, but you pay for it.

Yup, Haven't seen one for less than $700.

For a half-ring RDS mount!?

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eMc9001 Member Joined Feb 2017 Posts 766 EE 100% (174) NC, USA	Posted: 6/17/2018 3:21:47 PM EDT [#27] Quote History Originally Posted By SecretSquirell: For a half-ring RDS mount!? View Quote
	- Selling left nut for a Wilcox NF T1/MRDS mount.

SecretSquirell Member Joined Apr 2009 Posts 67346 EE 100% (26) IL, USA	Posted: 6/17/2018 4:33:53 PM EDT [#28] Quote History Originally Posted By eMc9001: View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quote History Originally Posted By eMc9001: Originally Posted By SecretSquirell: For a half-ring RDS mount!? Guess that's no better than a KAC 3T brake going for 1k. At least you can find those.
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eMc9001 Member Joined Feb 2017 Posts 767 EE 100% (174) NC, USA	Posted: 6/17/2018 4:46:24 PM EDT [#29] Quote History Originally Posted By SecretSquirell: Guess that's no better than a KAC 3T brake going for 1k. At least you can find those. View Quote I've paid more than I like to say on some thing's as far as KAC/Clone's go but damn if that's something I could never stomach.
	- Selling left nut for a Wilcox NF T1/MRDS mount.

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Originally Posted By eMc9001:
I've paid more than I like to say on some thing's as far as KAC/Clone's go but damn if that's something I could never stomach.

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Originally Posted By SecretSquirell:

Guess that's no better than a KAC 3T brake going for 1k. At least you can find those.

I've paid more than I like to say on some thing's as far as KAC/Clone's go but damn if that's something I could never stomach.

That ain't no shit. A KAC collector/dealer friend gave me a NIW 3T as a gift since he knows I like KAC stuff but I never looked at them after I realized they were $3-400 back when they came out. Someone on here IM'd me within minutes of me posting a pic offering $800. Couldn't do it as it was a gift from a good friend though.

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minion42 Joined May 2014 Posts 2637 EE 100% (82) KY, USA	Posted: 6/17/2018 9:04:30 PM EDT [#31] Yikes! I should have hung onto mine. I think I paid and sold it for about $200.

eMc9001 Member Joined Feb 2017 Posts 787 EE 100% (174) NC, USA	Posted: 6/24/2018 2:42:16 PM EDT [Last Edit: eMc9001] [#32] Look's like this add's the Leupold Mark 6 3-18x44 on the table for optics.
	- Selling left nut for a Wilcox NF T1/MRDS mount.

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eMc9001 Member Joined Feb 2017 Posts 790 EE 100% (174) NC, USA	Posted: 6/24/2018 8:56:29 PM EDT [#35] Quote History Originally Posted By AZJBT: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/209294/054159B5-2155-4947-A248-B25840214458-586412.JPG View Quote
	- Selling left nut for a Wilcox NF T1/MRDS mount.

MCDXXV Member Joined Jun 2009 Posts 8993 EE 100% (34) USA	Posted: 6/24/2018 9:38:42 PM EDT [#36] Quote History Originally Posted By eMc9001: Look's like this add's the Leupold Mark 6 3-18x44 on the table for optics. https://i.imgur.com/ktb9CXl.jpg View Quote Anyone know which rail extension that is?

prskiller Member Joined Jun 2013 Posts 2857 EE 100% (144) USA	Posted: 6/24/2018 10:01:25 PM EDT [#37] Quote History Originally Posted By AZJBT: Anyone know which rail extension that is? View Quote Looks like PWS to me.
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prskiller Member Joined Jun 2013 Posts 2858 EE 100% (144) USA	Posted: 6/24/2018 10:03:20 PM EDT [#38] This one.
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eMc9001 Member Joined Feb 2017 Posts 793 EE 100% (174) NC, USA	Posted: 6/25/2018 8:33:00 PM EDT [#39] Quote History Originally Posted By prskiller: This one. https://www.armytimes.com/resizer/bUq2ZdalKl5Q1lHiwpeAS5JcKQk=/1200x0/filters:quality(100)/arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-mco.s3.amazonaws.com/public/PSBCIOD7WFBE7ERGJLB6HRACSA.jpg View Quote Yep it's that one.
	- Selling left nut for a Wilcox NF T1/MRDS mount.

tanodized IG @tanodized Joined Oct 2008 Posts 2492 EE 100% (255) TX, USA	Posted: 6/25/2018 9:08:42 PM EDT [#40] The PWS SRX is probably the most ubiquitous SCAR rail extension in service. Aside from being the first aftermarket handguard available, it's also relatively inexpensive, robust, and requires minimal modification to the host weapon.

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Obviously this build draws significant inspiration from the rifles above.

FN SCAR MK 17 MOD 0 STD: Nightforce NXS 2.5-10x24 w/ 1.25" Badger Ordnance USN Mk14 EBR Rings & Wilcox MRDS Mount, Butler Creek Scope Cover, Docter Sight II+, Insight ATPIAL-C, Geissele SST (1st Gen), PWS SRX Rail Extension, TangoDown SCAR Panels, Atlas BT10 Bipod w/ A.R.M.S. 17S Mount, AAC 18T Blackout M.I.T.E.R. Flash Hider

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MCDXXV Member Joined Jun 2009 Posts 8997 EE 100% (34) USA	Posted: 6/25/2018 9:59:58 PM EDT [#42] Quote History Originally Posted By Kalmar: Obviously this build draws significant inspiration from the rifles above. https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1805/41199547930_3b97d07853_o.jpg https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1781/43009858181_93ff50e3f8_o.jpg View Quote The 18T and PWS rail extension make the 16" barrel look normal..

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Pretty much what I'm looking to do, but substitute the AAC shenanigans for Surefire. I can only assume that's an older FA762SS (ETA: it’s the FA762SV) suppressor/mount pulled from a Mk20 SSR.

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Obviously this build draws significant inspiration from the rifles above.

https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1805/41199547930_3b97d07853_o.jpg

https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1781/43009858181_02f25b7696_o.jpg

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Originally Posted By Great_Balls_of_Fire:
I can only assume that's an older FA762SS suppressor/mount pulled from a Mk20 SSR.

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The FH762SSAL/RE mount for the SS suppressor requires some additional work to index properly on the Mk17 barrel. Which leads me to believe that's a FA762SV suppressor and FH762SV-SCAR muzzle brake, as you suggested, most likely pulled from a Mk20. I've got one and contemplated using it on this build, but I'm still holding out hope that FN will release the SSR eventually.

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Originally Posted By Kalmar:

The FH762SSAL/RE mount for the SS suppressor requires some additional work to index properly on the Mk17 barrel. Which leads me to believe that's a FA762SV suppressor and FH762SV-SCAR muzzle brake, as you suggested, most likely pulled from a Mk20. I've got one and contemplated using it on this build, but I'm still holding out hope that FN will release the SSR eventually.

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The FH762SV-SCAR works fine with the old SS762 surefire can. that is what I use on my rifle. The MB762SS muzzle brake requires work to fit to the scar barrel. I've done it, but I had trouble keeping it tight enough and changed to the FA762SV flashider mount for better security.

eMc9001 Member Joined Feb 2017 Posts 798 EE 100% (174) NC, USA	Posted: 6/26/2018 7:35:12 PM EDT [#46] Quote History Originally Posted By AZJBT: The 18T and PWS rail extension make the 16" barrel look normal.. View Quote Actually really diggin' that look too man. Putting the MITER on mine took away that huge barrel length in itself but this extension definitely helps.
	- Selling left nut for a Wilcox NF T1/MRDS mount.

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Originally Posted By notgrownupyetSBR556:

The FH762SV-SCAR works fine with the old SS762 surefire can. that is what I use on my rifle. The MB762SS muzzle brake requires work to fit to the scar barrel. I've done it, but I had trouble keeping it tight enough and changed to the FA762SV flashider mount for better security.

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Confirming that you are using a FH762SV-SCAR with a FA762SS Suppressor (pics always help).

tanodized IG @tanodized Joined Oct 2008 Posts 2495 EE 100% (255) TX, USA	Posted: 6/27/2018 1:17:42 AM EDT [#48] I believe @stephen_101st confirmed the two compatible although the anti-rotation interface may be different.

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I believe @stephen_101st confirmed the two compatible although the anti-rotation interface may be different.

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That was a million years ago LOL. I think all that info died when Lightfighter changed over platforms. I did originally mount a MB762SSAL/RE to my SCAR-H using a modified jam nut that I rounded off until it fit under the extended tail of the muzzle adapter until it indexed and torqued as properly. I knew this solution was probably not stable enough for the suppressor so when the FH762SV-SCAR adapter that indexes off the muzzle was available I switched them out. These days my SCAR-H has a SOCOM300 SPS with the SFMB-762-5/8-24 on it.

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Originally Posted By stephen_101st:

That was a million years ago LOL. I think all that info died when Lightfighter changed over platforms. I did originally mount a MB762SSAL/RE to my SCAR-H using a modified jam nut that I rounded off until it fit under the extended tail of the muzzle adapter until it indexed and torqued as properly. I knew this solution was probably not stable enough for the suppressor so when the FH762SV-SCAR adapter that indexes off the muzzle was available I switched them out. These days my SCAR-H has a SOCOM300 SPS with the SFMB-762-5/8-24 on it.

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I did the same thing to the original muzzle nut. Then switched to the scar specific muzzle device. Works perfectly. Just note the can will index on any tyne at the end of the FH. No one anti-rotation slot like the MB device.

I index for repeatable zero by making sure the can markings face up.

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