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prskiller Member Joined Jun 2013 Posts 2909 EE 100% (144) USA	Posted: 7/8/2018 2:42:47 AM EDT [Last Edit: prskiller] [#1]
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MCDXXV Member Joined Jun 2009 Posts 9030 EE 100% (34) USA	Posted: 7/23/2018 5:28:06 PM EDT [Last Edit: MCDXXV] [#2] A guy on Instagram sent me these from Belgian Defense Attached File Attached File Attached File

MCDXXV Member Joined Jun 2009 Posts 9040 EE 100% (34) USA	Posted: 8/1/2018 3:41:10 PM EDT [#3] Got a Leupold MK6 3-18X44 in route for my 17. @Combat_Diver any idea what offset Aimpoint mount guys are running? I assume its a LaRue..

Combat_Diver Team Member Joined Jan 2003 Posts 8287 EE 100% (87) AFG	Posted: 8/1/2018 3:49:03 PM EDT [#4] Quote History Originally Posted By AZJBT: Got a Leupold MK6 3-18X44 in route for my 17. @Combat_Diver any idea what offset Aimpoint mount guys are running? I assume its a LaRue.. https://i.imgur.com/N7S5hQ0.jpg?1 View Quote Don't know at the moment. Still home on medical leave. CD
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Great_Balls_of_Fire Member Joined Feb 2014 Posts 1375 EE 100% (49) TX, USA	Posted: 8/1/2018 4:14:54 PM EDT [#5] Quote History Originally Posted By AZJBT: Got a Leupold MK6 3-18X44 in route for my 17. @Combat_Diver any idea what offset Aimpoint mount guys are running? I assume its a LaRue.. https://i.imgur.com/N7S5hQ0.jpg?1 View Quote Yes, it's Larue LT787 which is part of the updated Leupold DAGR package.
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prskiller Member Joined Jun 2013 Posts 2997 EE 100% (144) USA	Posted: 8/1/2018 5:48:10 PM EDT [#6] Quote History Originally Posted By AZJBT: Got a Leupold MK6 3-18X44 in route for my 17. @Combat_Diver any idea what offset Aimpoint mount guys are running? I assume its a LaRue.. https://i.imgur.com/N7S5hQ0.jpg?1 View Quote Very nice. That is what I want to do with mines regarding the Mk6 setup.
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MCDXXV Member Joined Jun 2009 Posts 9041 EE 100% (34) USA	Posted: 8/2/2018 12:21:52 PM EDT [#7] Quote History Originally Posted By Great_Balls_of_Fire: Yes, it's Larue LT787 which is part of the updated Leupold DAGR package. View Quote Do you mean the LT724? The 787 looks to be the ring mount to sit on top of the optic as seen on a MK20.

Great_Balls_of_Fire Member Joined Feb 2014 Posts 1376 EE 100% (49) TX, USA	Posted: 8/3/2018 9:22:14 AM EDT [#8] Quote History Originally Posted By AZJBT: Do you mean the LT724? The 787 looks to be the ring mount to sit on top of the optic as seen on a MK20. View Quote I guess I misread what you were asking, but you're right. The part I was referring to (LT787) is mounted to the scope. As far as a weapon mounted offset, the LT724 is in use.
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MCDXXV Member Joined Jun 2009 Posts 9043 EE 100% (34) USA	Posted: 8/3/2018 2:25:15 PM EDT [#9] Quote History Originally Posted By Great_Balls_of_Fire: I guess I misread what you were asking, but you're right. The part I was referring to (LT787) is mounted to the scope. As far as a weapon mounted offset, the LT724 is in use. View Quote Well as a left handed shooter the LT724 will not work. Looks like I will be going the LT787 route.

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eMc9001 Member Joined Feb 2017 Posts 938 EE 100% (174) NC, USA	Posted: 8/3/2018 7:13:18 PM EDT [Last Edit: eMc9001] [#11] Quote History Originally Posted By steve-oh: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/sr338/7d9cf84f-c52f-4bf9-9f37-25fa83594537_zpsjjxnjnyt.png View Quote Sooo we can officially use a 1-6 Razor now? ETA: Didn't realize thats yours. Badass man.
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MCDXXV Member Joined Jun 2009 Posts 9044 EE 100% (34) USA	Posted: 8/3/2018 7:15:40 PM EDT [#12] Quote History Originally Posted By eMc9001: Sooo we can officially use a 1-6 Razor now? View Quote They’ve been spotted in the wild a few times now.

MCDXXV Member Joined Jun 2009 Posts 9045 EE 100% (34) USA	Posted: 8/3/2018 7:18:06 PM EDT [#13] Just got done setting up the MK6. Attached File

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Posted: 8/3/2018 7:27:32 PM EDT

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Originally Posted By AZJBT:
Just got done setting up the MK6.

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Nice because I have a spare 1-6. Wellllllll that's why you got rid of the Elcan then. Looks great dude. ETA: You wouldn't happen to have some more sources on those Razor's in the wild would you?

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Posted: 8/3/2018 7:57:47 PM EDT

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Originally Posted By eMc9001:

Nice because I have a spare 1-6. Wellllllll that's why you got rid of the Elcan then. Looks great dude. ETA: You wouldn't happen to have some more sources on those Razor's in the wild would you?

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Yeah, I’ll dig them up and post them.

The Elcan was great but it really limits the 17. After seeing the photos of the 17s and 20s with the ECOS-O I figured it would be an awesome setup.

If anyone is interested in reading up on the ECOS-O

https://www.militaryaerospace.com/articles/2013/03/ECOS-O-contract.html

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Posted: 8/3/2018 8:07:31 PM EDT

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Originally Posted By AZJBT:

Yeah, I’ll dig them up and post them.

The Elcan was great but it really limits the 17. After seeing the photos of the 17s and 20s with the ECOS-O I figured it would be an awesome setup.

If anyone is interested in reading up on the ECOS-O

https://www.militaryaerospace.com/articles/2013/03/ECOS-O-contract.html

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Definitely adds more magnification to the equation and funny enough it's only 1 oz heavier than the Elcan lol.

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MCDXXV Member Joined Jun 2009 Posts 9047 EE 100% (34) USA	Posted: 8/3/2018 8:33:15 PM EDT [#17] Quote History Originally Posted By eMc9001: Definitely adds more magnification to the equation and funny enough it's only 1 oz heavier than the Elcan lol. View Quote The first thing I noticed then I opened the box was how not heavy it was.

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Posted: 8/3/2018 8:50:37 PM EDT

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Originally Posted By eMc9001:

Definitely adds more magnification to the equation and funny enough it's only 1 oz heavier than the Elcan lol.

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Man, the Elcan gets a bad rap. Not singling you out eMc9001, I mean just in general.

The Elcan 1.5x/6x SU230B weighs about 25.35 ounces which includes the mount. The Mark 6 3-18x44 weighs 23.60 ounces and the Mark 6 IMS Mount weighs 7.90 ounces...31.50 ounces (add even more weight for 1x capability plus a 1x mount like on the complete DAGR system). Now I'll concede that weight and rail space aside, the Leupy set-up adds a lot of versatility over the Elcan. The Mark 6 3-18x44 is definitely lighter than its direct competitors like the ATACR 4-16x42 which weighs 30.00 ounces alone (without mount).

Edited to add: Looks good, AZJBT. I like it.

tanodized IG @tanodized Joined Oct 2008 Posts 2500 EE 100% (255) TX, USA	Posted: 8/3/2018 11:53:42 PM EDT [#19] Quote History Originally Posted By eMc9001: ETA: You wouldn't happen to have some more sources on those Razor's in the wild would you? View Quote Here are all the Razors I've spotted. That last guy seems familiar.

tanodized IG @tanodized Joined Oct 2008 Posts 2501 EE 100% (255) TX, USA	Posted: 8/3/2018 11:54:38 PM EDT [#20] Proceeding with ECOS-O image dump.

iluvmy86 Member Joined Jan 2008 Posts 490 EE 100% (55) WA, USA	Posted: 8/4/2018 12:50:14 AM EDT [#21] Can someone tell me what Leupold mark 6 is being used? Any guess on reticle ?

tanodized IG @tanodized Joined Oct 2008 Posts 2502 EE 100% (255) TX, USA	Posted: 8/4/2018 10:02:52 AM EDT [#22] Leupold Mk6 3-18x DAGR, FFP TReMoR2 reticle.

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Posted: 8/4/2018 10:16:34 PM EDT

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Originally Posted By SSD13:

Man, the Elcan gets a bad rap. Not singling you out eMc9001, I mean just in general.

The Elcan 1.5x/6x SU230B weighs about 25.35 ounces which includes the mount. The Mark 6 3-18x44 weighs 23.60 ounces and the Mark 6 IMS Mount weighs 7.90 ounces...31.50 ounces (add even more weight for 1x capability plus a 1x mount like on the complete DAGR system). Now I'll concede that weight and rail space aside, the Leupy set-up adds a lot of versatility over the Elcan. The Mark 6 3-18x44 is definitely lighter than its direct competitors like the ATACR 4-16x42 which weighs 30.00 ounces alone (without mount).

Edited to add: Looks good, AZJBT. I like it.

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I’ve run both the 1.5-6 and a SU230A on my 17. Its a great optic and I’d say it was king for its time. For me the Elcan limits what I am capable of doing with intermediate ranges so I went with the MK6. I’m going out tomorrow morning to get it zerod.

@Kalmar you’re the man.

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Posted: 8/5/2018 6:08:06 AM EDT

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Originally Posted By AZJBT:

I’ve run both the 1.5-6 and a SU230A on my 17. Its a great optic and I’d say it was king for its time. For me the Elcan limits what I am capable of doing with intermediate ranges so I went with the MK6. I’m going out tomorrow morning to get it zerod.

@Kalmar you’re the man.

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I don't disagree. Share some pics if you can. Although Kalmar has the thread well-stocked.

eMc9001 Member Joined Feb 2017 Posts 947 EE 100% (174) NC, USA	Posted: 8/5/2018 12:31:32 PM EDT [#25] @Kalmar. Thank's dude, that was a page dump for sure.
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brodband8 BrOdBaNd8 Joined Oct 2011 Posts 5455 EE 100% (690) FL, USA	Posted: 8/7/2018 4:54:31 AM EDT [Last Edit: brodband8] [#26] Quote History Originally Posted By Kalmar: https://i.imgur.com/XfkLhgW.jpg Found the same gun in another pic. View Quote Attached File Attached File

bolster The only friend you've got here. Joined May 2004 Posts 4664 EE 100% (267) AFG	Posted: 8/7/2018 11:09:10 AM EDT [#27] My “MK17S” and a few other toys. With the MK17 lower, it’s fully semi-automatic!

MCDXXV Member Joined Jun 2009 Posts 9052 EE 100% (34) USA	Posted: 8/7/2018 12:15:12 PM EDT [#28] Quote History Originally Posted By bolster: My “MK17S” and a few other toys. With the MK17 lower, it’s fully semi-automatic! https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/53204/755F2018-237B-4CB3-ADA8-2E210165B700-632818.jpg View Quote I’ve been thinking about doing that MK17 lower. Did you find it easy to modify?

bolster The only friend you've got here. Joined May 2004 Posts 4665 EE 100% (267) AFG	Posted: 8/7/2018 4:07:00 PM EDT [Last Edit: bolster] [#29] Quote History Originally Posted By AZJBT: I’ve been thinking about doing that MK17 lower. Did you find it easy to modify? View Quote I bought it already modified in the EE. I assume it was milled down to where it needed to be. Looks factory-done.

brodband8 BrOdBaNd8 Joined Oct 2011 Posts 5456 EE 100% (690) FL, USA	Posted: 8/7/2018 7:18:11 PM EDT [#30] mk17 "s" lower checking in. Attached File

Tengo1 Team Member Joined Feb 2009 Posts 1293 EE 100% (82) NV, USA	Posted: 8/7/2018 7:32:54 PM EDT [#31] Quote History Originally Posted By brodband8: mk17 "s" lower checking in. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/283538/38712085_1063696150460642_4349462476706807808_n-633273.JPG View Quote Not a call out, just genuinely curious. But how is that legal? Isn’t a 3rd hole a no go? Just like on an AR lower?

brodband8 BrOdBaNd8 Joined Oct 2011 Posts 5457 EE 100% (690) FL, USA	Posted: 8/7/2018 7:37:07 PM EDT [Last Edit: brodband8] [#32] Quote History Originally Posted By Tengo1: Not a call out, just genuinely curious. But how is that legal? Isn’t a 3rd hole a no go? Just like on an AR lower? View Quote There are no additional holes in a mk17 lower.

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Posted: 8/7/2018 8:09:52 PM EDT

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Originally Posted By brodband8:
There are no additional holes in a mk17 lower.

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Originally Posted By Tengo1:

Not a call out, just genuinely curious. But how is that legal? Isn’t a 3rd hole a no go? Just like on an AR lower?

There are no additional holes in a mk17 lower.

In fact, there is one LESS hole. No annoying mag-well pin.

LsuJon Joined Oct 2012 Posts 80 EE 100% (45) LA, USA	Posted: 8/8/2018 9:08:03 PM EDT [#34] Excuse the ignorance, but whats are these mk17 lowers? This is the first I'm hearing about them. I also thought that the mk17s and mk16s had the selector switch throw changed back to 90 degrees instead of the 45?

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Posted: 8/8/2018 9:51:51 PM EDT

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Originally Posted By LsuJon:
Excuse the ignorance, but whats are these mk17 lowers? This is the first I'm hearing about them. I also thought that the mk17s and mk16s had the selector switch throw changed back to 90 degrees instead of the 45?

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It's just an auto marked lower: https://www.midwestgunworks.com/page/mgwi/prod/3185110020

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Posted: 8/8/2018 10:48:04 PM EDT

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Originally Posted By LsuJon:
Excuse the ignorance, but whats are these mk17 lowers? This is the first I'm hearing about them. I also thought that the mk17s and mk16s had the selector switch throw changed back to 90 degrees instead of the 45?

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There are different versions of mk17 lowers out there, all of them require material to be removed to work on a scar17 receiver.

bolster The only friend you've got here. Joined May 2004 Posts 4669 EE 100% (267) AFG	Posted: 8/9/2018 10:51:33 AM EDT [#37] Quote History Originally Posted By brodband8: There are different versions of mk17 lowers out there, all of them require material to be removed to work on a scar17 receiver. View Quote This is true. The MK17 I used overseas had a 90 degree selector, like an M4.

bolster The only friend you've got here. Joined May 2004 Posts 4671 EE 100% (267) AFG	Posted: 8/11/2018 7:41:56 PM EDT [#38] For those of you looking for the Mk6 3-18 Tremor 2 w/Aimpoint T1 combo, Natchez Shooters Supplies has them for $2749. Considering that’s about what I paid for a Elcan 1.5-6, this is a good deal. I also believe this combo (DAGR) is discontinued, so now is a good time to pick them up. Mine came in today.

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Posted: 8/11/2018 8:14:49 PM EDT

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Originally Posted By bolster:
For those of you looking for the Mk6 3-18 Tremor 2 w/Aimpoint T1 combo, Natchez Shooters Supplies has them for $2749. Considering that’s about what I paid for a Elcan 1.5-6, this is a good deal. I also believe this combo (DAGR) is discontinued, so now is a good time to pick them up. Mine came in today.

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Thats a deal. I got mine out for a few hours today and it was laser beams to 500..

I think I'm going to order that PWS rail.

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Posted: 8/11/2018 9:15:02 PM EDT

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Originally Posted By AZJBT:

Thats a deal. I got mine out for a few hours today and it was laser beams to 500..

I think I'm going to order that PWS rail.

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/209294/IMG_8265-637677.JPG

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With the PWS rail, it would look like below. I can’t believe how much eye relief this Mk6 has. Need to do a range trip.

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Posted: 8/11/2018 10:21:33 PM EDT

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Originally Posted By bolster:

With the PWS rail, it would look like below. I can’t believe how much eye relief this Mk6 has. Need to do a range trip.https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/53204/5C6A2C93-6EA8-408E-8E5F-C4DBB95E2ED5-637756.jpg

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More pics please.

The MK6 does have a ton of eye relief. I noticed today I could move it forward more.

eMc9001 Member Joined Feb 2017 Posts 960 EE 100% (174) NC, USA	Posted: 8/12/2018 3:35:50 PM EDT [#42] Is the Surefire FA762SS the only Surefire model in use by SOCOM? I know my luck finding a AAC is pretty slim and honestly I have more favoritism with Surefire but I havent seen the RC models in use on the MK17 (which would be ideal). Just would like to get some Forms rolling on something for this rig.
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Posted: 8/12/2018 3:38:33 PM EDT

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Originally Posted By eMc9001:
Is the Surefire FA762SS the only Surefire model in use by SOCOM? I know my luck finding a AAC is pretty slim and honestly I have more favoritism with Surefire but I havent seen the RC models in use on the MK17 (which would be ideal). Just would like to get some Forms rolling on something for this rig.

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Yes. Primarily on MK20s but there are pictures of them on 17s.

eMc9001 Member Joined Feb 2017 Posts 961 EE 100% (174) NC, USA	Posted: 8/12/2018 4:15:07 PM EDT [Last Edit: eMc9001] [#44] Quote History Originally Posted By AZJBT: Yes. Primarily on MK20s but there are pictures of them on 17s. View Quote That's going to be tough to source, my dealer had one last month and it's already gone. @Kalmar your the picture wizard. Do you have any of the 17 with FA762SS?
	- Selling left nut for a Wilcox NF T1/MRDS mount.

tanodized IG @tanodized Joined Oct 2008 Posts 2503 EE 100% (255) TX, USA	Posted: 8/12/2018 8:46:10 PM EDT [#45] Quote History Originally Posted By eMc9001: Is the Surefire FA762SS the only Surefire model in use by SOCOM? View Quote Mk20's use a different suppressor, the Surefire FA762SV (NSN 1005-01-581-4685) and they are even harder to find commercially available than the SS.

MCDXXV Member Joined Jun 2009 Posts 9058 EE 100% (34) USA	Posted: 8/12/2018 10:28:39 PM EDT [#46] Quote History Originally Posted By Kalmar: Mk20's use a different suppressor, the Surefire FA762SV (NSN 1005-01-581-4685) and they are even harder to find commercially available than the SS. View Quote I believe the FA762SS was also used on MK20s at some point. .

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Originally Posted By AZJBT:

I believe the FA762SS was also used on MK20s at some point. .

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Originally Posted By AZJBT:

I believe the FA762SS was also used on MK20s at some point. .

Any pics or proof?

Nice looking rig, by the way.

Originally Posted By AZJBT:
Just got done setting up the MK6.

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/209294/CF7D2ECF-1F56-48D5-993C-DD5E3193B078-628658.JPG

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Posted: 8/13/2018 9:02:04 AM EDT

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Originally Posted By AZJBT:

Yes. Primarily on MK20s but there are pictures of them on 17s.

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The SV and SS look very similar, but the SVs are what you see on the Mk20s vs. the SS which are on the USMC's M40 platform. Up until recently I thought the SS was on the Mk20 as well, but they are not - the older style locking collar is a dead giveaway for the SV.

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MCDXXV Member Joined Jun 2009 Posts 9060 EE 100% (34) USA	Posted: 8/13/2018 6:37:36 PM EDT [#49] Quote History Originally Posted By usnguns: Any pics or proof? Nice looking rig, by the way. View Quote I was just going off info I was told from someone who would know. But I do not have any evidence to support this information, ha. Thanks. Trying to track down a T1 and mount now.

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Posted: 8/13/2018 7:33:55 PM EDT

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Originally Posted By Great_Balls_of_Fire:

The SV and SS look very similar, but the SVs are what you see on the Mk20s vs. the SS which are on the USMC's M40 platform. Up until recently I thought the SS was on the Mk20 as well, but they are not - the older style locking collar is a dead giveaway for the SV.

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The SV is going to be a tough find. I have seen quite a few SS for sale but not a SV.

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