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MD, USA
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Posted: 4/1/2024 9:16:55 PM EDT
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It seems some people are receiving them now. We should have more information in the next week or so.
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OR, USA
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Posted: 4/1/2024 9:39:19 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Odinforever2000]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Box4: I haven’t seen anything on these. No YouTubers or paid shills, not even buyers posting about the new Desert Tech anywhere on gun forums. Doesn’t instill confidence. Here we go again? I have one..Just waiting for approval to take it home. From what I gather,playing with it at the gunstore. In 223,it is 7.4lbs. Safety selector feels the same.. The trigger is better than the Mdr and Mdrx..but don't know the pull weight till I get it home. I have several match ammo brands ready for a range trip this friday. I'll put a video out shortly after than unless you want a video sooner and range stuff when I can. |
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Posted: 4/1/2024 9:46:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Box4: I haven’t seen anything on these. No YouTubers or paid shills, not even buyers posting about the new Desert Tech anywhere on gun forums. Doesn’t instill confidence. Here we go again? It's Desert Tech. I imagine their production rate is like... 2 a day. I wouldn't read too much into lack of info just yet. |
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Posted: 4/2/2024 11:27:47 AM EDT
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Whoever gets a WLVRN first. Take pics of the inside receivers for us. I’d like to find out if it’s riding steel on steel or if the BCG now is riding on aluminum on steel …
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OR, USA
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Posted: 4/2/2024 11:50:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thehun06: Whoever gets a WLVRN first. Take pics of the inside receivers for us. I’d like to find out if it’s riding steel on steel or if the BCG now is riding on aluminum on steel … ON my list.. anything else? |
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Posted: 4/2/2024 11:58:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Odinforever2000: ON my list.. anything else? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Odinforever2000: Originally Posted By thehun06: Whoever gets a WLVRN first. Take pics of the inside receivers for us. I’d like to find out if it’s riding steel on steel or if the BCG now is riding on aluminum on steel … ON my list.. anything else? That is my biggest concern outside of that I think the WLVRN is what the MDR should have been initially … can’t wait for your write up. |
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Posted: 4/2/2024 12:06:44 PM EDT
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Looking at that it's just now occurring to me that as a left handed shooter, buying a bull pup would be problematic as the brass would be ejecting into my face.
I don't actually own any "left handed" guns, but I'm left eyed, so I usually shoulder on the left. Not a big deal with standard rifles, and I always wanted a bull pup, but now I'm not so sure. |
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OR, USA
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Posted: 4/2/2024 12:10:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MkTwain: Looking at that it's just now occurring to me that as a left handed shooter, buying a bull pup would be problematic as the brass would be ejecting into my face. I don't actually own any "left handed" guns, but I'm left eyed, so I usually shoulder on the left. Not a big deal with standard rifles, and I always wanted a bull pup, but now I'm not so sure. There are other "ambi" bullpups or bullpups like the wlvrn that can be made to eject from the left side. |
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Posted: 4/2/2024 12:16:36 PM EDT
[Last Edit: lazyengineer]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Odinforever2000: There are other "ambi" bullpups or bullpups like the wlvrn that can be made to eject from the left side. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Odinforever2000: Originally Posted By MkTwain: Looking at that it's just now occurring to me that as a left handed shooter, buying a bull pup would be problematic as the brass would be ejecting into my face. I don't actually own any "left handed" guns, but I'm left eyed, so I usually shoulder on the left. Not a big deal with standard rifles, and I always wanted a bull pup, but now I'm not so sure. There are other "ambi" bullpups or bullpups like the wlvrn that can be made to eject from the left side. And the RDB is ready when you are. It also happens to be the favorite amongst at least some of the more bullpup centric shooters out there. It's my favorite at least - if you want 5.56, take the RDB seriously. If a lefty, it's basically The One. For .308/6.5CM - this new MDRy has my interest, but I haven't ordered one yet - Im watching. |
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OR, USA
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Posted: 4/2/2024 1:10:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lazyengineer: And the RDB is ready when you are. It also happens to be the favorite amongst at least some of the more bullpup centric shooters out there. It's my favorite at least - if you want 5.56, take the RDB seriously. If a lefty, it's basically The One. For .308/6.5CM - this new MDRy has my interest, but I haven't ordered one yet - Im watching. 100% second vote for the Rdb. I also call it the Mdr3 lol |
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USA
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Posted: 4/3/2024 2:53:50 PM EDT
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Can you measure trigger weight and also show take up and reset?
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Posted: 4/3/2024 3:20:45 PM EDT
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 She's a beauty. I'll find out this weekend just how she shoots. The takeup on the trigger is minimal. The average trigger pull is about 6 - 6.5 pounds. |
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MD, USA
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Posted: 4/3/2024 3:56:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ironman58: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/294054/Wolverine_2-3177237.jpg She's a beauty. I'll find out this weekend just how she shoots. The takeup on the trigger is minimal. The average trigger pull is about 6 - 6.5 pounds. I'm guessing yours is 5.56? Do magazines drop free? How is the magazine release? Looking forward to your write up! |
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USA
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Posted: 4/3/2024 4:01:35 PM EDT
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Also curious how gassy it is, suppressed and not suppressed.
Some Tavors seem very gassy even without a suppressor. |
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Posted: 4/3/2024 4:07:41 PM EDT
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it is indeed 5.56.
There are two different magazine releases. One is just forward - above the trigger. The other is on the front of the magwell. Both release the magazines just fine. |
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OR, USA
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Posted: 4/3/2024 5:45:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ironman58: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/294054/Wolverine_2-3177237.jpg She's a beauty. I'll find out this weekend just how she shoots. The takeup on the trigger is minimal. The average trigger pull is about 6 - 6.5 pounds. I should have mine out of jail soon. I'll shoot for groups Friday if it becomes availible. What ammo will you be trying..Maybe I can mirror some of your testing just without the attached supressor (which does shrink groups in the previous guns) |
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MD, USA
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Posted: 4/3/2024 5:49:20 PM EDT
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This guy has a .308 Wlvrn and claims he's "not getting great groups," but admits he's inexperienced.
I'm guessing he's just got bad technique and not taking his time. https://www.reddit.com/r/DesertTech/comments/1b7k5t5/wlvrns_here_and_shes_pretty/ |
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OR, USA
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Posted: 4/3/2024 6:52:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Skyler2000: This guy has a .308 Wlvrn and claims he's "not getting great groups," but admits he's inexperienced. I'm guessing he's just got bad technique and not taking his time. https://www.reddit.com/r/DesertTech/comments/1b7k5t5/wlvrns_here_and_shes_pretty/ There's another on the Facebook Mdrx page who has one as well..He attempted an accuracy test but ended up in 22mph+ wind gusts. He plans to go out again on a nicer day with preferably no wind. Igman 308 "sniper" 168 grain gave him FTEs and ripped rims so it may be loaded hot or not quite on the right setting from the factory. FGMM, PPU, hornady, and malaysia m80 fed and functioned fine. Per his post Desert Tech will also be posting their accuracy results sometime next week and may also have a Q&A on the Mdrx's future..and hopefully what parts are compatible as a update from the Wlvrn. |
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MD, USA
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Posted: 4/3/2024 7:28:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Odinforever2000: There's another on the Facebook Mdrx page who has one as well..He attempted an accuracy test but ended up in 22mph+ wind gusts. He plans to go out again on a nicer day with preferably no wind. Igman 308 "sniper" 168 grain gave him FTEs and ripped rims so it may be loaded hot or not quite on the right setting from the factory. FGMM, PPU, hornady, and malaysia m80 fed and functioned fine. Per his post Desert Tech will also be posting their accuracy results sometime next week and may also have a Q&A on the Mdrx's future..and hopefully what parts are compatible as a update from the Wlvrn. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Odinforever2000: Originally Posted By Skyler2000: This guy has a .308 Wlvrn and claims he's "not getting great groups," but admits he's inexperienced. I'm guessing he's just got bad technique and not taking his time. https://www.reddit.com/r/DesertTech/comments/1b7k5t5/wlvrns_here_and_shes_pretty/ There's another on the Facebook Mdrx page who has one as well..He attempted an accuracy test but ended up in 22mph+ wind gusts. He plans to go out again on a nicer day with preferably no wind. Igman 308 "sniper" 168 grain gave him FTEs and ripped rims so it may be loaded hot or not quite on the right setting from the factory. FGMM, PPU, hornady, and malaysia m80 fed and functioned fine. Per his post Desert Tech will also be posting their accuracy results sometime next week and may also have a Q&A on the Mdrx's future..and hopefully what parts are compatible as a update from the Wlvrn. Case rims being ripped off already in the Wlvrn? A combat rifle should be able to eat anything. |
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Posted: 4/3/2024 7:33:33 PM EDT
[Last Edit: lazyengineer]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Skyler2000: Case rims being ripped off already in the Wlvrn? A combat rifle should be able to eat anything. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Skyler2000: Originally Posted By Odinforever2000: Originally Posted By Skyler2000: This guy has a .308 Wlvrn and claims he's "not getting great groups," but admits he's inexperienced. I'm guessing he's just got bad technique and not taking his time. https://www.reddit.com/r/DesertTech/comments/1b7k5t5/wlvrns_here_and_shes_pretty/ There's another on the Facebook Mdrx page who has one as well..He attempted an accuracy test but ended up in 22mph+ wind gusts. He plans to go out again on a nicer day with preferably no wind. Igman 308 "sniper" 168 grain gave him FTEs and ripped rims so it may be loaded hot or not quite on the right setting from the factory. FGMM, PPU, hornady, and malaysia m80 fed and functioned fine. Per his post Desert Tech will also be posting their accuracy results sometime next week and may also have a Q&A on the Mdrx's future..and hopefully what parts are compatible as a update from the Wlvrn. Case rims being ripped off already in the Wlvrn? A combat rifle should be able to eat anything. *SIGH* That alone doesn't bug me so much, since gas adjustment will correct that. What bugs me is they still put the gas system at the same insanely close high pressure spot on the barrel that they know damned well is way to close and too high pressure. I'm watching this one to see if the improvements materially improve accuracy, because it'll be on the table for me for sure if I can get a 1.5 MOA gun in 6.5 CM firing full-house pressure loads with heavy bullets. So far, i'm still waiting for that to be demonstrated. If it is, I'm not too worried about overgassing, as that can be adjusted, I guess. Though, the more I look at MDRy, the more I think they just sort of mailed it in. There pulled a whole lot from the MDRx over on this one. They did get rid of the removable barrel system, which hopefully makes things rigid enough to improve accuracy - I think it will. Though I think the gas system is still going to work against them, being that close and high pressure. I think they even kept the goofy barrel profile, which just looks really thin and bendy right there before the gas block. At least they got rid of the dumb 1point pic-rail block on top of the gas block, that didn't work at all, as I could physically move that part of the rail block with my hand on the barrel on an MDRx. I guess we'll see! |
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MD, USA
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Posted: 4/3/2024 11:21:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lazyengineer: *SIGH* That alone doesn't bug me so much, since gas adjustment will correct that. What bugs me is they still put the gas system at the same insanely close high pressure spot on the barrel that they know damned well is way to close and too high pressure. I'm watching this one to see if the improvements materially improve accuracy, because it'll be on the table for me for sure if I can get a 1.5 MOA gun in 6.5 CM firing full-house pressure loads with heavy bullets. So far, i'm still waiting for that to be demonstrated. If it is, I'm not too worried about overgassing, as that can be adjusted, I guess. Though, the more I look at MDRy, the more I think they just sort of mailed it in. There pulled a whole lot from the MDRx over on this one. They did get rid of the removable barrel system, which hopefully makes things rigid enough to improve accuracy - I think it will. Though I think the gas system is still going to work against them, being that close and high pressure. I think they even kept the goofy barrel profile, which just looks really thin and bendy right there before the gas block. At least they got rid of the dumb 1point pic-rail block on top of the gas block, that didn't work at all, as I could physically move that part of the rail block with my hand on the barrel on an MDRx. I guess we'll see! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lazyengineer: Originally Posted By Skyler2000: Originally Posted By Odinforever2000: Originally Posted By Skyler2000: This guy has a .308 Wlvrn and claims he's "not getting great groups," but admits he's inexperienced. I'm guessing he's just got bad technique and not taking his time. https://www.reddit.com/r/DesertTech/comments/1b7k5t5/wlvrns_here_and_shes_pretty/ There's another on the Facebook Mdrx page who has one as well..He attempted an accuracy test but ended up in 22mph+ wind gusts. He plans to go out again on a nicer day with preferably no wind. Igman 308 "sniper" 168 grain gave him FTEs and ripped rims so it may be loaded hot or not quite on the right setting from the factory. FGMM, PPU, hornady, and malaysia m80 fed and functioned fine. Per his post Desert Tech will also be posting their accuracy results sometime next week and may also have a Q&A on the Mdrx's future..and hopefully what parts are compatible as a update from the Wlvrn. Case rims being ripped off already in the Wlvrn? A combat rifle should be able to eat anything. *SIGH* That alone doesn't bug me so much, since gas adjustment will correct that. What bugs me is they still put the gas system at the same insanely close high pressure spot on the barrel that they know damned well is way to close and too high pressure. I'm watching this one to see if the improvements materially improve accuracy, because it'll be on the table for me for sure if I can get a 1.5 MOA gun in 6.5 CM firing full-house pressure loads with heavy bullets. So far, i'm still waiting for that to be demonstrated. If it is, I'm not too worried about overgassing, as that can be adjusted, I guess. Though, the more I look at MDRy, the more I think they just sort of mailed it in. There pulled a whole lot from the MDRx over on this one. They did get rid of the removable barrel system, which hopefully makes things rigid enough to improve accuracy - I think it will. Though I think the gas system is still going to work against them, being that close and high pressure. I think they even kept the goofy barrel profile, which just looks really thin and bendy right there before the gas block. At least they got rid of the dumb 1point pic-rail block on top of the gas block, that didn't work at all, as I could physically move that part of the rail block with my hand on the barrel on an MDRx. I guess we'll see! Do you think Desert Tech is using the Wlvrn as just another cash grab because they know the MDR now has a spotty reputation with the shooting community? By rebranding the Wlvrn as a different rifle, they can extend consumer purchasing even longer than if they just came out with the MDRxxx whatever? I sincerely hope this is not the case, but it is a concern that I have. |
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Posted: 4/4/2024 12:42:27 AM EDT
[Last Edit: lazyengineer]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Skyler2000: Do you think Desert Tech is using the Wlvrn as just another cash grab because they know the MDR now has a spotty reputation with the shooting community? By rebranding the Wlvrn as a different rifle, they can extend consumer purchasing even longer than if they just came out with the MDRxxx whatever? I sincerely hope this is not the case, but it is a concern that I have. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Skyler2000: Originally Posted By lazyengineer: Originally Posted By Skyler2000: Originally Posted By Odinforever2000: Originally Posted By Skyler2000: This guy has a .308 Wlvrn and claims he's "not getting great groups," but admits he's inexperienced. I'm guessing he's just got bad technique and not taking his time. https://www.reddit.com/r/DesertTech/comments/1b7k5t5/wlvrns_here_and_shes_pretty/ There's another on the Facebook Mdrx page who has one as well..He attempted an accuracy test but ended up in 22mph+ wind gusts. He plans to go out again on a nicer day with preferably no wind. Igman 308 "sniper" 168 grain gave him FTEs and ripped rims so it may be loaded hot or not quite on the right setting from the factory. FGMM, PPU, hornady, and malaysia m80 fed and functioned fine. Per his post Desert Tech will also be posting their accuracy results sometime next week and may also have a Q&A on the Mdrx's future..and hopefully what parts are compatible as a update from the Wlvrn. Case rims being ripped off already in the Wlvrn? A combat rifle should be able to eat anything. *SIGH* That alone doesn't bug me so much, since gas adjustment will correct that. What bugs me is they still put the gas system at the same insanely close high pressure spot on the barrel that they know damned well is way to close and too high pressure. I'm watching this one to see if the improvements materially improve accuracy, because it'll be on the table for me for sure if I can get a 1.5 MOA gun in 6.5 CM firing full-house pressure loads with heavy bullets. So far, i'm still waiting for that to be demonstrated. If it is, I'm not too worried about overgassing, as that can be adjusted, I guess. Though, the more I look at MDRy, the more I think they just sort of mailed it in. There pulled a whole lot from the MDRx over on this one. They did get rid of the removable barrel system, which hopefully makes things rigid enough to improve accuracy - I think it will. Though I think the gas system is still going to work against them, being that close and high pressure. I think they even kept the goofy barrel profile, which just looks really thin and bendy right there before the gas block. At least they got rid of the dumb 1point pic-rail block on top of the gas block, that didn't work at all, as I could physically move that part of the rail block with my hand on the barrel on an MDRx. I guess we'll see! Do you think Desert Tech is using the Wlvrn as just another cash grab because they know the MDR now has a spotty reputation with the shooting community? By rebranding the Wlvrn as a different rifle, they can extend consumer purchasing even longer than if they just came out with the MDRxxx whatever? I sincerely hope this is not the case, but it is a concern that I have. I don't think they are all that conniving. I just think they're just a small-time outfit that didn't do a good job at the start with the original MDR, and have done band-aids since then, rather than being willing to scrap jigs and equipment and actually start over and actually do it right. Gas system is tapping too close to the chamber (I think). Getting it lighter is good, but at the expense of forward eject / ambi - which were one of it's biggest differentiators. On the plus side for them, They continue to be the only 6.5mm bullpup game in town which is why I still give them so much interest. [Edit, too much grouchy monologing] I'm still watching - if the reports start coming back good, and the accuracy is there - I'm intersted. ... |
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Posted: 4/4/2024 8:00:27 AM EDT
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As an engineer, how would you fix the gas system? Where would you put it?
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Posted: 4/4/2024 8:51:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Box4: As an engineer, how would you fix the gas system? Where would you put it? I'd use AR tap distances, or at least mid-length distance for the tap. |
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Posted: 4/4/2024 8:58:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lazyengineer: *SIGH* That alone doesn't bug me so much, since gas adjustment will correct that. What bugs me is they still put the gas system at the same insanely close high pressure spot on the barrel that they know damned well is way to close and too high pressure. I'm watching this one to see if the improvements materially improve accuracy, because it'll be on the table for me for sure if I can get a 1.5 MOA gun in 6.5 CM firing full-house pressure loads with heavy bullets. So far, i'm still waiting for that to be demonstrated. If it is, I'm not too worried about overgassing, as that can be adjusted, I guess. Though, the more I look at MDRy, the more I think they just sort of mailed it in. There pulled a whole lot from the MDRx over on this one. They did get rid of the removable barrel system, which hopefully makes things rigid enough to improve accuracy - I think it will. Though I think the gas system is still going to work against them, being that close and high pressure. I think they even kept the goofy barrel profile, which just looks really thin and bendy right there before the gas block. At least they got rid of the dumb 1point pic-rail block on top of the gas block, that didn't work at all, as I could physically move that part of the rail block with my hand on the barrel on an MDRx. I guess we'll see! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lazyengineer: Originally Posted By Skyler2000: Originally Posted By Odinforever2000: Originally Posted By Skyler2000: This guy has a .308 Wlvrn and claims he's "not getting great groups," but admits he's inexperienced. I'm guessing he's just got bad technique and not taking his time. https://www.reddit.com/r/DesertTech/comments/1b7k5t5/wlvrns_here_and_shes_pretty/ There's another on the Facebook Mdrx page who has one as well..He attempted an accuracy test but ended up in 22mph+ wind gusts. He plans to go out again on a nicer day with preferably no wind. Igman 308 "sniper" 168 grain gave him FTEs and ripped rims so it may be loaded hot or not quite on the right setting from the factory. FGMM, PPU, hornady, and malaysia m80 fed and functioned fine. Per his post Desert Tech will also be posting their accuracy results sometime next week and may also have a Q&A on the Mdrx's future..and hopefully what parts are compatible as a update from the Wlvrn. Case rims being ripped off already in the Wlvrn? A combat rifle should be able to eat anything. *SIGH* That alone doesn't bug me so much, since gas adjustment will correct that. What bugs me is they still put the gas system at the same insanely close high pressure spot on the barrel that they know damned well is way to close and too high pressure. I'm watching this one to see if the improvements materially improve accuracy, because it'll be on the table for me for sure if I can get a 1.5 MOA gun in 6.5 CM firing full-house pressure loads with heavy bullets. So far, i'm still waiting for that to be demonstrated. If it is, I'm not too worried about overgassing, as that can be adjusted, I guess. Though, the more I look at MDRy, the more I think they just sort of mailed it in. There pulled a whole lot from the MDRx over on this one. They did get rid of the removable barrel system, which hopefully makes things rigid enough to improve accuracy - I think it will. Though I think the gas system is still going to work against them, being that close and high pressure. I think they even kept the goofy barrel profile, which just looks really thin and bendy right there before the gas block. At least they got rid of the dumb 1point pic-rail block on top of the gas block, that didn't work at all, as I could physically move that part of the rail block with my hand on the barrel on an MDRx. I guess we'll see! This is especially true when shooting 6.5/308 … the gas block location sucks … with the omitted 1913 rail tower on the gas block I figured DT would move up the gas length for better shoot ability and less violence … |
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Posted: 4/4/2024 10:23:52 AM EDT
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I agree with what has been said about the gas system. It’s a remnant of the older design where the extra gas was needed to operate the forward eject mechanism.
Now that the forward eject is gone, there is no excuse for them not to have moved the gas system. Maybe the next version will fix it. |
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MD, USA
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Posted: 4/4/2024 10:28:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Box4: I agree with what has been said about the gas system. It’s a remnant of the older design where the extra gas was needed to operate the forward eject mechanism. Now that the forward eject is gone, there is no excuse for them not to have moved the gas system. Maybe the next version will fix it. The next version lol. |
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Posted: 4/4/2024 10:45:34 AM EDT
[Last Edit: lazyengineer]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thehun06: This is especially true when shooting 6.5/308 … the gas block location sucks … with the omitted 1913 rail tower on the gas block I figured DT would move up the gas length for better shoot ability and less violence … Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thehun06: Originally Posted By lazyengineer: Originally Posted By Skyler2000: Originally Posted By Odinforever2000: Originally Posted By Skyler2000: This guy has a .308 Wlvrn and claims he's "not getting great groups," but admits he's inexperienced. I'm guessing he's just got bad technique and not taking his time. https://www.reddit.com/r/DesertTech/comments/1b7k5t5/wlvrns_here_and_shes_pretty/ There's another on the Facebook Mdrx page who has one as well..He attempted an accuracy test but ended up in 22mph+ wind gusts. He plans to go out again on a nicer day with preferably no wind. Igman 308 "sniper" 168 grain gave him FTEs and ripped rims so it may be loaded hot or not quite on the right setting from the factory. FGMM, PPU, hornady, and malaysia m80 fed and functioned fine. Per his post Desert Tech will also be posting their accuracy results sometime next week and may also have a Q&A on the Mdrx's future..and hopefully what parts are compatible as a update from the Wlvrn. Case rims being ripped off already in the Wlvrn? A combat rifle should be able to eat anything. *SIGH* That alone doesn't bug me so much, since gas adjustment will correct that. What bugs me is they still put the gas system at the same insanely close high pressure spot on the barrel that they know damned well is way to close and too high pressure. I'm watching this one to see if the improvements materially improve accuracy, because it'll be on the table for me for sure if I can get a 1.5 MOA gun in 6.5 CM firing full-house pressure loads with heavy bullets. So far, i'm still waiting for that to be demonstrated. If it is, I'm not too worried about overgassing, as that can be adjusted, I guess. Though, the more I look at MDRy, the more I think they just sort of mailed it in. There pulled a whole lot from the MDRx over on this one. They did get rid of the removable barrel system, which hopefully makes things rigid enough to improve accuracy - I think it will. Though I think the gas system is still going to work against them, being that close and high pressure. I think they even kept the goofy barrel profile, which just looks really thin and bendy right there before the gas block. At least they got rid of the dumb 1point pic-rail block on top of the gas block, that didn't work at all, as I could physically move that part of the rail block with my hand on the barrel on an MDRx. I guess we'll see! This is especially true when shooting 6.5/308 … the gas block location sucks … with the omitted 1913 rail tower on the gas block I figured DT would move up the gas length for better shoot ability and less violence … Intersting - that's why they put the gas system there? was enough energy to compress the spring enough to work the forward eject? The BCG and the spring aren't that heavy, in fact I viewas milder (and more pleasant) than an AR10. I talk a lot of shit, but the MDR series is a remarkably pleasant .308 class gun to shoot - it's actually a real sweetheart, and doesn't have the disruptive multi-jerk in mult-directions recoil of th AR10 with that huge assed BCG slamming back and forth. But, I can't imagine they don't have enough energy capture capability a few more inches down, to still run though. But I've never really thought it about it - and it sounds like maybe you have? Interesting take. |
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Posted: 4/4/2024 2:32:56 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Odinforever2000]
[#29]
Alrighty! Got my 223 Wlvrn!
Weight of the rifle on my scale is 7lbs 7oz (7.43lbs) ..which would make the 308 7lbs 5oz (7.34lbs).. So..The DT website for the Wlvrn is accurate for the gun weights...The Manual..Not so much.  Trigger ..Yup improvement in terms of take up and reset. Shorter. **I was able to side by side the triggers in the Mdr, Tavor7,Rfb and Rdb..Tavor 7 was at the gun store... Wlvrn trigger is better than the Tavor 7..but only by a little bit... Rdb trigger is still my fav** As far as an Ar trigger..I uh..have timneys in both..Not sure that's a fair comparison My trigger gauge says 5.5 to 6lbs with 5 pulls. New Mag button.. Larger Mag release ...Tho..My 223 MDR (after coming back from DT this year) is a bit lighter to push and release. BCG in the Wlvrn weighs slightly more than the MDR. (1ish oz).. Front of the Op rods..Left is the Wlvrn..  Bolt Faces..Left is Wlvrn  BCGs ...Top is the Wlvrn  BCG Bottom. Top is Wlvrn  Wlvrn Bolt Rails. (Rear)  Wlvrn and MDR Uppers  Wlvrn Mag release bar.  Wlvrn Gas Block  Wlvrn Bcg weight  Mdr Bcg Weight  |
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Posted: 4/4/2024 2:35:24 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lazyengineer: Intersting - that's why they put the gas system there? was enough energy to compress the spring enough to work the forward eject? The BCG and the spring aren't that heavy, in fact I viewas milder (and more pleasant) than an AR10. I talk a lot of shit, but the MDR series is a remarkably pleasant .308 class gun to shoot - it's actually a real sweetheart, and doesn't have the disruptive multi-jerk in mult-directions recoil of th AR10 with that huge assed BCG slamming back and forth. But, I can't imagine they don't have enough energy capture capability a few more inches down, to still run though. But I've never really thought it about it - and it sounds like maybe you have? Interesting take. The gas block location was picked due to the multi-caliber nature of the MDR ... all the calibers released share the same location including 300BO ... to DTs credit they have figured it out somewhat there but ... each caliber should have had its own optimized location vs a one and done ... the 1913 tower was really like hey ... we can add a tiny pic rail to use as a RDS location so that the zero stays but in practice that was just a stupid move ... no one ever used it ... in a serious capacity. With the forward eject deleted and the pic rail on the gas block gone ... its time to address the gas port location and do it right with the WLRVN ... |
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Posted: 4/4/2024 2:47:04 PM EDT
[Last Edit: thehun06]
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Odinforever2000: Alrighty! Got my 223 Wlvrn! Weight of the rifle on my scale is 7lbs 9oz (7.56lbs) ..which would make the 308 7lbs 7oz (7.43lbs) https://i.imgur.com/f4z0UkA.jpeg Trigger ..Yup improvement in terms of take up and reset. Shorter. My trigger gauge says 5.5 to 6lbs with 5 pulls. New Mag button.. Larger Mag release ...Tho..My 223 MDR (after coming back from DT this year) is a bit lighter to push and release. BCG in the Wlvrn weighs slightly more than the MDR. (1ish oz).. Front of the Op rods..Left is the Wlvrn.. https://i.imgur.com/kj7LcGQ.jpeg Bolt Faces..Left is Wlvrn https://i.imgur.com/4N8G70P.jpeg BCGs ...Top is the Wlvrn https://i.imgur.com/MWQZBLg.jpeg BCG Bottom. Top is Wlvrn https://i.imgur.com/ga0yI9S.jpeg Wlvrn Bolt Rails. (Rear) https://i.imgur.com/a95x2RA.jpeg Wlvrn and MDR Uppers https://i.imgur.com/JH58GAQ.jpeg Wlvrn Mag release bar. https://i.imgur.com/1gkmG1p.jpeg Wlvrn Gas Block https://i.imgur.com/DZ7oeRO.jpeg Wlvrn Bcg weight https://i.imgur.com/XDCZ9iP.jpeg Mdr Bcg Weight https://i.imgur.com/ldBIVgX.jpeg Thanks for that ... so it looks like the BCG is riding on aluminum ... I do not recall the MDR or WLRVN receivers being made from a forging nor 7000 series aluminum so this worries me a bit for long term use ... I know the AR BCG rides on aluminum too but its a different animal ... I believe DT uses 6000 series billets ... could be wrong ... but I believe that is what they are using ... |
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UT, USA
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Posted: 4/4/2024 2:50:37 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Skyler2000: Also what's up with the naming of the Wolverine and the Sabertooth? Anyone else here an Xmen fan? I can't be the only one to have noticed that. Clearly someone in Desert Tech reads too many comic books. lol Isn't this like a copywrite issue or something? Also, that's "Well, Vern," not "Wolverine." |
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UT, USA
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Posted: 4/4/2024 3:09:15 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thehun06: Thanks for that ... so it looks like the BCG is riding on aluminum ... I do not recall the MDR or WLRVN receivers being made from a forging nor 7000 series aluminum so this worries me a bit for long term use ... I know the AR BCG rides on aluminum too but its a different animal ... I believe DT uses 6000 series billets ... could be wrong ... but I believe that is what they are using ... The Tavor series rifles the bolt rides directly on the aluminum, never had an issue with mine, so it might be fine. Wasn't a thing I was terribly concerned about when I ordered my wlvrn. |
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UT, USA
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Posted: 4/4/2024 3:16:49 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lazyengineer: *SIGH* That alone doesn't bug me so much, since gas adjustment will correct that. What bugs me is they still put the gas system at the same insanely close high pressure spot on the barrel that they know damned well is way to close and too high pressure. I'm watching this one to see if the improvements materially improve accuracy, because it'll be on the table for me for sure if I can get a 1.5 MOA gun in 6.5 CM firing full-house pressure loads with heavy bullets. So far, i'm still waiting for that to be demonstrated. If it is, I'm not too worried about overgassing, as that can be adjusted, I guess. ... I'm of the same opinion as you on the gas port location, now they got rid of the tactical waffle iron, no reason they can't move the port forward more. I do have a 308 Wlvrn on order, so if the accuracy isn't great, I may see if they offer the barrel kits again, and turn my own barrel and make a new gas piston and support (kinda like an ACR) to see if that help. Another thought was reading about M1 carbine experiments, adding expansion chambers to reduce the gas impulse. The MDRX accuracy report talked about a modified barrel like this and helping. From what I saw, the gas piston on the MDRX could be hollowed out a little to increase the volume, Who knows how much it would help, but be interesting to try. |
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UT, USA
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Posted: 4/4/2024 3:19:31 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Odinforever2000: Alrighty! Got my 223 Wlvrn! Weight of the rifle on my scale is 7lbs 9oz (7.56lbs) ..which would make the 308 7lbs 7oz (7.43lbs) https://i.imgur.com/f4z0UkA.jpeg Trigger ..Yup improvement in terms of take up and reset. Shorter. My trigger gauge says 5.5 to 6lbs with 5 pulls. New Mag button.. Larger Mag release ...Tho..My 223 MDR (after coming back from DT this year) is a bit lighter to push and release. BCG in the Wlvrn weighs slightly more than the MDR. (1ish oz).. Front of the Op rods..Left is the Wlvrn.. https://i.imgur.com/kj7LcGQ.jpeg Bolt Faces..Left is Wlvrn https://i.imgur.com/4N8G70P.jpeg BCGs ...Top is the Wlvrn https://i.imgur.com/MWQZBLg.jpeg BCG Bottom. Top is Wlvrn https://i.imgur.com/ga0yI9S.jpeg Wlvrn Bolt Rails. (Rear) https://i.imgur.com/a95x2RA.jpeg Wlvrn and MDR Uppers https://i.imgur.com/JH58GAQ.jpeg Wlvrn Mag release bar. https://i.imgur.com/1gkmG1p.jpeg Wlvrn Gas Block https://i.imgur.com/DZ7oeRO.jpeg Wlvrn Bcg weight https://i.imgur.com/XDCZ9iP.jpeg Mdr Bcg Weight https://i.imgur.com/ldBIVgX.jpeg Nice! Does barrel have that sharp taper behind the gas block I've seen on DT website images? Also if its not too much trouble, i'm curious what the gas piston looks like (see above about modifying it to increase volume) |
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OR, USA
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Posted: 4/4/2024 3:25:00 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tavorsterling: Nice! Does barrel have that sharp taper behind the gas block I've seen on DT website images? Also if its not too much trouble, i'm curious what the gas piston looks like (see above about modifying it to increase volume) I'll get that in here sometime tonight |
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Posted: 4/4/2024 3:26:58 PM EDT
[Last Edit: thehun06]
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tavorsterling: The Tavor series rifles the bolt rides directly on the aluminum, never had an issue with mine, so it might be fine. Wasn't a thing I was terribly concerned about when I ordered my wlvrn. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tavorsterling: Originally Posted By thehun06: Thanks for that ... so it looks like the BCG is riding on aluminum ... I do not recall the MDR or WLRVN receivers being made from a forging nor 7000 series aluminum so this worries me a bit for long term use ... I know the AR BCG rides on aluminum too but its a different animal ... I believe DT uses 6000 series billets ... could be wrong ... but I believe that is what they are using ... The Tavor series rifles the bolt rides directly on the aluminum, never had an issue with mine, so it might be fine. Wasn't a thing I was terribly concerned about when I ordered my wlvrn. Those are 7075 forged chassis .... in the Tavor ... DT uses I believe 6000 series billet receivers ... hence why the steel inserts were placed with the MDR and really any other 6000 series aluminum received rifles like the SCAR for example ... nothing wrong with 6000 series aluminum as long as you got some steel in there for the BCG to ride on ... |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 4/4/2024 3:35:19 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thehun06: Thanks for that ... so it looks like the BCG is riding on aluminum ... I do not recall the MDR or WLRVN receivers being made from a forging nor 7000 series aluminum so this worries me a bit for long term use ... I know the AR BCG rides on aluminum too but its a different animal ... I believe DT uses 6000 series billets ... could be wrong ... but I believe that is what they are using ... I think it is 6061, 7000 series is tough to annodize and usually leads to a high defect rate. The MDR receiver is extruded aluminum and machined to final. They put up a video awhile ago. |
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Posted: 4/4/2024 3:40:54 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FrozenIceman: I think it is 6061, 7000 series is tough to annodize and usually leads to a high defect rate. The MDR receiver is extruded aluminum and machined to final. They put up a video awhile ago. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FrozenIceman: Originally Posted By thehun06: Thanks for that ... so it looks like the BCG is riding on aluminum ... I do not recall the MDR or WLRVN receivers being made from a forging nor 7000 series aluminum so this worries me a bit for long term use ... I know the AR BCG rides on aluminum too but its a different animal ... I believe DT uses 6000 series billets ... could be wrong ... but I believe that is what they are using ... I think it is 6061, 7000 series is tough to annodize and usually leads to a high defect rate. The MDR receiver is extruded aluminum and machined to final. They put up a video awhile ago. Yup ... and as such ... makes me a little sceptical about the WLVRN's longevity ... personally |
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UT, USA
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Posted: 4/4/2024 4:00:26 PM EDT
[#40]
I dunno if the Tavors are forged, the receivers I have seen are made by Creed Monarch, and I don't see forging capabilities listed on their website. I would guess more likely extruded then machined, but I'm not privy to how they are made.
Far as 6000 vs 7000 series, yes the 7000 would be better, but ultimately wouldn't we be more worried about the durability of the anodizing that would resist the wear than the yield strength of the base aluminum? |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 4/4/2024 4:31:58 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tavorsterling: I'm of the same opinion as you on the gas port location, now they got rid of the tactical waffle iron, no reason they can't move the port forward more. I do have a 308 Wlvrn on order, so if the accuracy isn't great, I may see if they offer the barrel kits again, and turn my own barrel and make a new gas piston and support (kinda like an ACR) to see if that help. Another thought was reading about M1 carbine experiments, adding expansion chambers to reduce the gas impulse. The MDRX accuracy report talked about a modified barrel like this and helping. From what I saw, the gas piston on the MDRX could be hollowed out a little to increase the volume, Who knows how much it would help, but be interesting to try. There are a couple of other ways to improve the dwell time in the MDRx. https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:6471358 You can increase the size of the gas plug expansion chamber. You could also direct the gas stream forward, forcing the gas stream to change direction. |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 4/4/2024 4:40:27 PM EDT
[Last Edit: FrozenIceman]
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tavorsterling: I dunno if the Tavors are forged, the receivers I have seen are made by Creed Monarch, and I don't see forging capabilities listed on their website. I would guess more likely extruded then machined, but I'm not privy to how they are made. Far as 6000 vs 7000 series, yes the 7000 would be better, but ultimately wouldn't we be more worried about the durability of the anodizing that would resist the wear than the yield strength of the base aluminum? Wear resistance is a combination of a lot of factors. Coating is one of them as is the base material. https://www.matweb.com/search/DataSheet.aspx?MatGUID=b8d536e0b9b54bd7b69e4124d8f1d20a&ckck=1 https://www.matweb.com/search/DataSheet.aspx?MatGUID=4f19a42be94546b686bbf43f79c51b7d 7075 T6 (A common flavor of 7000) is 1.75x as hard as 6061 T6 (A common flavor of 6000). (See Hardness values). 7075 T6 is also 2x stronger in yield strength as well before the material fails. And this is base material, before Forging or Casting apply their own strength factors onto them. |
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UT, USA
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Posted: 4/4/2024 4:48:56 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FrozenIceman: There are a couple of other ways to improve the dwell time in the MDRx. https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:6471358 You can increase the size of the gas plug expansion chamber. You could also direct the gas stream forward, forcing the gas stream to change direction. Definitely, I don't have a MDR and have yet to receive the Wlvrn, so just going off what I can see online about the sizes of stuff. Another thought was to machine a gas plug, but extend the front to act as expansion port. Might not be able to adjust with the windows on the handguard at that point though. Though really if the Wlvrn in 308 with match ammo groups 1-ish moa I probably won't be mess with it unless I get bored and finish my other gun projects |
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UT, USA
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Posted: 4/4/2024 5:13:46 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FrozenIceman: Wear resistance is a combination of a lot of factors. Coating is one of them as is the base material. https://www.matweb.com/search/DataSheet.aspx?MatGUID=b8d536e0b9b54bd7b69e4124d8f1d20a&ckck=1 https://www.matweb.com/search/DataSheet.aspx?MatGUID=4f19a42be94546b686bbf43f79c51b7d 7075 T6 (A common flavor of 7000) is 1.75x as hard as 6061 T6 (A common flavor of 6000). (See Hardness values). 7075 T6 is also 2x stronger in yield strength as well before the material fails. And this is base material, before Forging or Casting apply their own strength factors onto them. Links don't seem to be working for me, but, I'm well aware of the strength differences of the materials, but I would imagine the anodized layer of both would have similar hardness. The base material strength would only apply if the bcg was trying to deform the rails, thus the anodized layer would crack and fail with the lower strength 6000 series. Not saying it won't happen on the Wlvrn, but the aluminum rails was not an area I have a lot of concern with on this gun. |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 4/4/2024 5:34:55 PM EDT
[Last Edit: FrozenIceman]
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tavorsterling: Links don't seem to be working for me, but, I'm well aware of the strength differences of the materials, but I would imagine the anodized layer of both would have similar hardness. The base material strength would only apply if the bcg was trying to deform the rails, thus the anodized layer would crack and fail with the lower strength 6000 series. Not saying it won't happen on the Wlvrn, but the aluminum rails was not an area I have a lot of concern with on this gun. Ah, they were links to material properties in matweb. It works pretty well. Anodizing isn't applied like a paint, it doesn't sit on top of Aluminum. It physically modifies the base material to be something else via the anodizing reaction. The annodizing, on top of the type of anodize used (which is different for each material and category used), inherits material properties from the material that it is anodized from. |
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UT, USA
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Posted: 4/4/2024 8:55:14 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FrozenIceman: Ah, they were links to material properties in matweb. It works pretty well. Anodizing isn't applied like a paint, it doesn't sit on top of Aluminum. It physically modifies the base material to be something else via the anodizing reaction. The annodizing, on top of the type of anodize used (which is different for each material and category used), inherits material properties from the material that it is anodized from. Gotcha. I've used that site before, so not sure why it wasn't working. I'm aware of what anodizing is and how it's applied, but the point was trying to make, is I doubt 6061 anodizing would wear out significantly faster than 7075 anodized as long as the aluminum isn't loaded beyond its yield strength. Maybe if the anodizing is compromised, then I would see the 7075 lasting longer. I do think 7075 would be a better choice without a doubt, but I think 6061 is going to be ok. Of course we will find out soon enough as Wlvrns go out into the wild. |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 4/4/2024 9:10:57 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tavorsterling: Gotcha. I've used that site before, so not sure why it wasn't working. I'm aware of what anodizing is and how it's applied, but the point was trying to make, is I doubt 6061 anodizing would wear out significantly faster than 7075 anodized as long as the aluminum isn't loaded beyond its yield strength. Maybe if the anodizing is compromised, then I would see the 7075 lasting longer. I do think 7075 would be a better choice without a doubt, but I think 6061 is going to be ok. Of course we will find out soon enough as Wlvrns go out into the wild. I suspect the concern about wear is more academic than anything else. AR uppers have been made from both for a long time. If there is going to be any reduce accuracy or performance it will probably be at 50K+ rounds fired, which realistically isn't something that most people are going to get to anytime soon especially with a boutique gun like most DT products. |
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UT, USA
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Posted: 4/4/2024 9:14:22 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FrozenIceman: I suspect the concern about wear is more academic than anything else. AR uppers have been made from both for a long time. If there is going to be any reduce accuracy or performance it will probably be at 50K+ rounds fired, which realistically isn't something that most people are going to get to anytime soon especially with a boutique gun like most DT products. Agreed. Considering the cost of 308, I don't think I'll pass 50k thru it before I die of old age. My x95 I'm about 8k thru it, and ive had that for about 8 years and lots of cheap steel. |
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MI, USA
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Posted: 4/4/2024 9:45:09 PM EDT
[#49]
For a company who makes sub-MOA bolt bullpups, I wonder why they’re having such difficulty with making sub-MOA semi auto bullpups? Would be nice if this one is sub-MOA capable.
I’d love a sub-MOA capable compact semi auto .308. DT has their SRS-A2 Covert. Nearly the size of a Tavor. 16” barrel sub-MOA capable .308. But no one that I’m aware of, has any sub-MOA semi auto bullpups. My SAR is about 1.25 - 1.5 MOA with FGMM (bag, 4.5-27x Razor). The T7 seems to be in that ballpark, too. A compact semi auto .308 that could fit both battle rifle and DMR roles, would be an awesome option. |
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MD, USA
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Posted: 4/4/2024 9:50:55 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bluemax_1: For a company who makes sub-MOA bolt bullpups, I wonder why they’re having such difficulty with making sub-MOA semi auto bullpups? Would be nice if this one is sub-MOA capable. I’d love a sub-MOA capable compact semi auto .308. DT has their SRS-A2 Covert. Nearly the size of a Tavor. 16” barrel sub-MOA capable .308. But no one that I’m aware of, has any sub-MOA semi auto bullpups. My SAR is about 1.25 - 1.5 MOA with FGMM (bag, 4.5-27x Razor). The T7 seems to be in that ballpark, too. A compact semi auto .308 that could fit both battle rifle and DMR roles, would be an awesome option. Yeah, I would take it deer hunting. |
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