User Panel
Originally Posted By JoshNC: Apples vs orange’s comparison. The AUG receiver is thicker than an AR15 receiver and has steel inserts at the barrel extension, bearing surfaces for the carrier rods, and bearing surface with the barrel. Cast vs forged is a non-issue in the AUG. View Quote Given the choice I would never choose cast anything. Aluminum ain't all that strong to begin with. |
|
|
Preferred Pronoun: Space Lord Mutherfucker
|
Originally Posted By Skyler2000: Steyr really really needs to make a public statement about this. They need to clearly state what the problem is, and what steps they are doing to correct this, such as fixing the molds, going back to the old polymer formula, etc, and then confirm that replacement stocks are made from the better formula. And then allow anyone who wants a new stock to get one, cracks or not. Bad press like this can ruin a company. View Quote They know if they did this, everyone with a stock in that date range would want a replacement. This is a Glock recall. |
|
Preferred Pronoun: Space Lord Mutherfucker
|
Originally Posted By HeavyMetal: They know if they did this, everyone with a stock in that date range would want a replacement. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By HeavyMetal: Originally Posted By Skyler2000: Steyr really really needs to make a public statement about this. They need to clearly state what the problem is, and what steps they are doing to correct this, such as fixing the molds, going back to the old polymer formula, etc, and then confirm that replacement stocks are made from the better formula. And then allow anyone who wants a new stock to get one, cracks or not. Bad press like this can ruin a company. They know if they did this, everyone with a stock in that date range would want a replacement. Yeah, and they should get one. Sure, they would lose some money initially, but they fucked up. It's kinda along the lines of correcting one's mistakes. Also, doing so would reestablish the AUG as a good weapon one can have faith in. You can't underestimate the power of goodwill and faith in a weapon system, especially one that many people have long viewed as a reliable survival tool. |
|
|
Oh, I agree they should.
|
|
Preferred Pronoun: Space Lord Mutherfucker
|
Steyr doesn't have a great record of polymer selection judging from SSG magazines and floor plate trigger guards.
|
|
Keep your powder dry, and watch your back trail.
|
Originally Posted By Skyler2000: How do they know it was 1 in 1,000 stocks? They they test them, or are they basing that number on the number of warranty claims they have received? View Quote I bet its more than 1:1000. Hell, people doing stupid shit and negligently breaking stocks are probably more than 1:1000. And there is a big difference with shooting 300 rounds and breaking a stock and backing your truck over a stock by accident. Both folks will probably say "hey my stock just broke suddenly"... I am at 175 rounds total now. I'm keeping a roll of duct tape in my range bag just in case I make it to 300... |
|
|
I was just thinking “I need an AUG; I wonder if they’re still breaking”. Glad I popped over here to see what everyone was saying. Guess I’ll be postponing my purchase……again.
|
|
Slant brakes and long stroke pistons, copper washed bullets and warm Slav mittens, brown Beech handguards dipped in lacquer streams; these are a few of my favorite things.
|
Originally Posted By Inquisitive_Spaniard: I was just thinking “I need an AUG; I wonder if they’re still breaking”. Glad I popped over here to see what everyone was saying. Guess I’ll be postponing my purchase……again. View Quote Yeah, it's kinds of a sad situation. I would love to totally recommend it to you. I will say if you just want one as a range toy, go ahead and get it. Steyr will replace the stock if it breaks. It's still a high quality firearm. If you want one for serious use, I would wait this issue out. |
|
|
Just curious and throwing it out there, but is it 100% established that the stocks are to blame/there is something wrong with the stocks themselves? Is it possible that for instance the barrels have their gas ports drilled too large which is beating the system up more than expected leading to early failures? Maybe that or the square takedown push pin was changed somehow and now under recoil all the force is transmitted to the edges on a smaller area (if the takedown pin isn’t rounded anymore or something)? Or the recoil springs might be weaker than in the past that causes the bolt to bottom out and cause more impact stress?
Not saying it’s not the stocks and I know it’s a long shot but it’s just odd to see these failures especially for folks that have had multiple failures on their replacement stocks from different batches. Any thoughts? |
|
|
|
Originally Posted By Skyler2000: Yeah, and they should get one. Sure, they would lose some money initially, but they fucked up. It's kinda along the lines of correcting one's mistakes. Also, doing so would reestablish the AUG as a good weapon one can have faith in. You can't underestimate the power of goodwill and faith in a weapon system, especially one that many people have long viewed as a reliable survival tool. View Quote And not only that, but look at how many more they are selling now than before. I think if they stepped up their game and reputation, they would sell even more guns. |
|
|
Originally Posted By henryfrank: Just curious and throwing it out there, but is it 100% established that the stocks are to blame/there is something wrong with the stocks themselves? Is it possible that for instance the barrels have their gas ports drilled too large which is beating the system up more than expected leading to early failures? Maybe that or the square takedown push pin was changed somehow and now under recoil all the force is transmitted to the edges on a smaller area (if the takedown pin isn’t rounded anymore or something)? Or the recoil springs might be weaker than in the past that causes the bolt to bottom out and cause more impact stress? Not saying it’s not the stocks and I know it’s a long shot but it’s just odd to see these failures especially for folks that have had multiple failures on their replacement stocks from different batches. Any thoughts? View Quote They conceded the problem to me on the phone. They told me that they changed the material in 2020 and that's when the fractures started. They also told me that they think they have it worked out with the next batch that's coming in but they don't know what changed. |
|
|
Originally Posted By casktcrw: They conceded the problem to me on the phone. They told me that they changed the material in 2020 and that's when the fractures started. They also told me that they think they have it worked out with the next batch that's coming in but they don't know what changed. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By casktcrw: Originally Posted By henryfrank: Just curious and throwing it out there, but is it 100% established that the stocks are to blame/there is something wrong with the stocks themselves? Is it possible that for instance the barrels have their gas ports drilled too large which is beating the system up more than expected leading to early failures? Maybe that or the square takedown push pin was changed somehow and now under recoil all the force is transmitted to the edges on a smaller area (if the takedown pin isn’t rounded anymore or something)? Or the recoil springs might be weaker than in the past that causes the bolt to bottom out and cause more impact stress? Not saying it’s not the stocks and I know it’s a long shot but it’s just odd to see these failures especially for folks that have had multiple failures on their replacement stocks from different batches. Any thoughts? They conceded the problem to me on the phone. They told me that they changed the material in 2020 and that's when the fractures started. They also told me that they think they have it worked out with the next batch that's coming in but they don't know what changed. When did you have this phone call with them? |
|
|
Originally Posted By henryfrank: Just curious and throwing it out there, but is it 100% established that the stocks are to blame/there is something wrong with the stocks themselves? Is it possible that for instance the barrels have their gas ports drilled too large which is beating the system up more than expected leading to early failures? Maybe that or the square takedown push pin was changed somehow and now under recoil all the force is transmitted to the edges on a smaller area (if the takedown pin isn’t rounded anymore or something)? Or the recoil springs might be weaker than in the past that causes the bolt to bottom out and cause more impact stress? Not saying it’s not the stocks and I know it’s a long shot but it’s just odd to see these failures especially for folks that have had multiple failures on their replacement stocks from different batches. Any thoughts? View Quote Shit, I’d love for someone to confirm that black stocks have this issue. I asked before in this thread and unless I’m mistaken, someone said maybe they saw a broken black one. Am I wrong that this is 97% a colored stock issue and MAYBE someone saw one or two black ones break? Or have we even seen a single confirmed black stock broken? |
|
|
Originally Posted By JohhnyCobra: Shit, I’d love for someone to confirm that black stocks have this issue. I asked before in this thread and unless I’m mistaken, someone said maybe they saw a broken black one. Am I wrong that this is 97% a colored stock issue and MAYBE someone saw one or two black ones break? Or have we even seen a single confirmed black stock broken? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By JohhnyCobra: Originally Posted By henryfrank: Just curious and throwing it out there, but is it 100% established that the stocks are to blame/there is something wrong with the stocks themselves? Is it possible that for instance the barrels have their gas ports drilled too large which is beating the system up more than expected leading to early failures? Maybe that or the square takedown push pin was changed somehow and now under recoil all the force is transmitted to the edges on a smaller area (if the takedown pin isn’t rounded anymore or something)? Or the recoil springs might be weaker than in the past that causes the bolt to bottom out and cause more impact stress? Not saying it’s not the stocks and I know it’s a long shot but it’s just odd to see these failures especially for folks that have had multiple failures on their replacement stocks from different batches. Any thoughts? Shit, I’d love for someone to confirm that black stocks have this issue. I asked before in this thread and unless I’m mistaken, someone said maybe they saw a broken black one. Am I wrong that this is 97% a colored stock issue and MAYBE someone saw one or two black ones break? Or have we even seen a single confirmed black stock broken? The black ones seem to be less popular in general, so it would make sense that we would see less broken black stocks. Mud seems to be the most popular color. |
|
|
Originally Posted By Skyler2000: The black ones seem to be less popular in general, so it would make sense that we would see less broken black stocks. Mud seems to be the most popular color. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Skyler2000: Originally Posted By JohhnyCobra: Originally Posted By henryfrank: Just curious and throwing it out there, but is it 100% established that the stocks are to blame/there is something wrong with the stocks themselves? Is it possible that for instance the barrels have their gas ports drilled too large which is beating the system up more than expected leading to early failures? Maybe that or the square takedown push pin was changed somehow and now under recoil all the force is transmitted to the edges on a smaller area (if the takedown pin isn’t rounded anymore or something)? Or the recoil springs might be weaker than in the past that causes the bolt to bottom out and cause more impact stress? Not saying it’s not the stocks and I know it’s a long shot but it’s just odd to see these failures especially for folks that have had multiple failures on their replacement stocks from different batches. Any thoughts? Shit, I’d love for someone to confirm that black stocks have this issue. I asked before in this thread and unless I’m mistaken, someone said maybe they saw a broken black one. Am I wrong that this is 97% a colored stock issue and MAYBE someone saw one or two black ones break? Or have we even seen a single confirmed black stock broken? The black ones seem to be less popular in general, so it would make sense that we would see less broken black stocks. Mud seems to be the most popular color. Not trying to be a dick, but all I’m asking is for any account of a broken black stock. Maybe this is the solution to broken stocks - buy a black one. I still want to see ONE account of a black stock broken. Hell 2-3 accounts. But I’ve seen zero pics and the black is definitely not 1/100th the volume of mud or green and white. Maybe less popular but zero accounts of failure doesn’t tell me if black is totally immune, slightly stronger or just as bad but too low volume in sales to register. Why is it so hard to say if ANYONE has seen ANY broken black Aug stocks (outside of total abuse)? |
|
|
|
Originally Posted By JohhnyCobra: Not trying to be a dick, but all I’m asking is for any account of a broken black stock. Maybe this is the solution to broken stocks - buy a black one. I still want to see ONE account of a black stock broken. Hell 2-3 accounts. But I’ve seen zero pics and the black is definitely not 1/100th the volume of mud or green and white. Maybe less popular but zero accounts of failure doesn’t tell me if black is totally immune, slightly stronger or just as bad but too low volume in sales to register. Why is it so hard to say if ANYONE has seen ANY broken black Aug stocks (outside of total abuse)? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By JohhnyCobra: Originally Posted By Skyler2000: Originally Posted By JohhnyCobra: Originally Posted By henryfrank: Just curious and throwing it out there, but is it 100% established that the stocks are to blame/there is something wrong with the stocks themselves? Is it possible that for instance the barrels have their gas ports drilled too large which is beating the system up more than expected leading to early failures? Maybe that or the square takedown push pin was changed somehow and now under recoil all the force is transmitted to the edges on a smaller area (if the takedown pin isn’t rounded anymore or something)? Or the recoil springs might be weaker than in the past that causes the bolt to bottom out and cause more impact stress? Not saying it’s not the stocks and I know it’s a long shot but it’s just odd to see these failures especially for folks that have had multiple failures on their replacement stocks from different batches. Any thoughts? Shit, I’d love for someone to confirm that black stocks have this issue. I asked before in this thread and unless I’m mistaken, someone said maybe they saw a broken black one. Am I wrong that this is 97% a colored stock issue and MAYBE someone saw one or two black ones break? Or have we even seen a single confirmed black stock broken? The black ones seem to be less popular in general, so it would make sense that we would see less broken black stocks. Mud seems to be the most popular color. Not trying to be a dick, but all I’m asking is for any account of a broken black stock. Maybe this is the solution to broken stocks - buy a black one. I still want to see ONE account of a black stock broken. Hell 2-3 accounts. But I’ve seen zero pics and the black is definitely not 1/100th the volume of mud or green and white. Maybe less popular but zero accounts of failure doesn’t tell me if black is totally immune, slightly stronger or just as bad but too low volume in sales to register. Why is it so hard to say if ANYONE has seen ANY broken black Aug stocks (outside of total abuse)? Well I havn't seen any broken black stocks. I havn't seen any broken white stocks either. |
|
|
|
|
Interesting to note…
About 6 months ago, I bought a new stock from Steyr. Not because of an issue with my other stock, but because I wanted a color change. You can see that Steyr has relieved the corners on the takedown block, and it appears it was molded that way. The reliefs are very smooth, no signs of using a dremel or a file. Attached File Attached File My old stock was not done like this, I used a round file to relieve them myself. I’ll look and see if I can find a date code on it. Edit: date code is 6/21 on my new stock. Date code of my old (black) stock was 10/20. |
|
|
I can’t stand it to think my life is going so fast and I’m not really living it.
|
Originally Posted By Skyler2000: Yeah, and they should get one. Sure, they would lose some money initially, but they fucked up. It's kinda along the lines of correcting one's mistakes. Also, doing so would reestablish the AUG as a good weapon one can have faith in. You can't underestimate the power of goodwill and faith in a weapon system, especially one that many people have long viewed as a reliable survival tool. View Quote Steye doesn't have Glock money. Steyr USA is like <40 dudes. If they had to replace every stock, headquarters in Austria might pull the plug. |
|
|
Originally Posted By crazymoose: Steye doesn't have Glock money. Steyr USA is like <40 dudes. If they had to replace every stock, headquarters in Austria might pull the plug. View Quote Are the stocks really that pricey for them to cause serious issues for the company? I know the prices on them are high, but I assume they have a very healthy markup and if the manufacturing cost for them isn’t nearly that bad maybe it would be more manageable? |
|
|
Originally Posted By casktcrw: I want to say a month ago View Quote It sounded like a perfectly reasonable conversation and a logical explanation in general terms. But the question is: Was that person in a position to know for sure or was he guessing, repeating rumors, or saying what he was told to say. Probably a person who would know for sure, upper management or part of the production team in Austria, would have denied a problem existed and or refused to say anything. Personally I am 99% sure you heard the correct explanation at least to that person's best knowledge. |
|
|
This is what I thought was a crack when I first saw it. It looks more like a crack in person. After a few dozen attempts from all angles and various lighting conditions, this is the best picture I could take...
Attached File Attached File |
|
|
That looks like a scratch from whatever tool they were using to radius the corners.
|
|
Preferred Pronoun: Space Lord Mutherfucker
|
Originally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: It sounded like a perfectly reasonable conversation and a logical explanation in general terms. But the question is: Was that person in a position to know for sure or was he guessing, repeating rumors, or saying what he was told to say. Probably a person who would know for sure, upper management or part of the production team in Austria, would have denied a problem existed and or refused to say anything. Personally I am 99% sure you heard the correct explanation at least to that person's best knowledge. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Originally Posted By casktcrw: I want to say a month ago It sounded like a perfectly reasonable conversation and a logical explanation in general terms. But the question is: Was that person in a position to know for sure or was he guessing, repeating rumors, or saying what he was told to say. Probably a person who would know for sure, upper management or part of the production team in Austria, would have denied a problem existed and or refused to say anything. Personally I am 99% sure you heard the correct explanation at least to that person's best knowledge. It's the 'old austrian dude that knows everything' according to support; Pj seconded this assertion |
|
|
Originally Posted By henryfrank: Are the stocks really that pricey for them to cause serious issues for the company? I know the prices on them are high, but I assume they have a very healthy markup and if the manufacturing cost for them isn’t nearly that bad maybe it would be more manageable? View Quote I have no knowledge of Steyr's bookkeeping, so this is pure speculation on my part, but I think that Steyr's margins are very thin on the AUG. They were like a thousand bucks in the 80's (almost 2,500 in current dollars). They have legitimate competition in the military grade bullpup market in the Tavor and Hellion. Both of those rifles are newer and havea lot of desirable features. I remember hearing that the stocks are a a subcontracted part, so there's probably only so much they can do on cost there. Due to scale, this just isn't like the AR-15 market. |
|
|
Originally Posted By crazymoose: I have no knowledge of Steyr's bookkeeping, so this is pure speculation on my part, but I think that Steyr's margins are very thin on the AUG. They were like a thousand bucks in the 80's (almost 2,500 in current dollars). They have legitimate competition in the military grade bullpup market in the Tavor and Hellion. Both of those rifles are newer and havea lot of desirable features. I remember hearing that the stocks are a a subcontracted part, so there's probably only so much they can do on cost there. Due to scale, this just isn't like the AR-15 market. View Quote You are right, dude also told me someone molds them, and they 'weld' the two halves in house. |
|
|
Originally Posted By casktcrw: Given the choice I would never choose cast anything. Aluminum ain't all that strong to begin with. View Quote The Austrians have been making AUG receivers from castings for 45+ years without issue. The receiver is nothing more than a low stress housing in which steel parts are held that handle more stress. Where I think a forging would be interesting is if one could make the receiver lighter by shedding material. |
|
|
The question of black stocks cracking has me concerned because that was the color I bought. A few hundred rounds in it and no issue so far. It does have the relieved corners dremeled from the factory. Stock manufacturing date of 4/22.
I was/am seriously considering a classic green model and splurging for the old STG 77 scope for that iconic look but this issue has me pumping the breaks on AUGs for the moment. |
|
|
Originally Posted By Sleazy-E: The question of black stocks cracking has me concerned because that was the color I bought. A few hundred rounds in it and no issue so far. It does have the relieved corners dremeled from the factory. Stock manufacturing date of 4/22. I was/am seriously considering a classic green model and splurging for the old STG 77 scope for that iconic look but this issue has me pumping the breaks on AUGs for the moment. View Quote I think the best looking is A3 M1 with either TA 31 or TA 44 |
|
|
Originally Posted By casktcrw: It's the 'old austrian dude that knows everything' according to support; Pj seconded this assertion View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By casktcrw: Originally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Originally Posted By casktcrw: I want to say a month ago It sounded like a perfectly reasonable conversation and a logical explanation in general terms. But the question is: Was that person in a position to know for sure or was he guessing, repeating rumors, or saying what he was told to say. Probably a person who would know for sure, upper management or part of the production team in Austria, would have denied a problem existed and or refused to say anything. Personally I am 99% sure you heard the correct explanation at least to that person's best knowledge. It's the 'old austrian dude that knows everything' according to support; Pj seconded this assertion Lol. This is the same dude that told me that my barrel was chrome lined when it was in fact nitrided. I don't believe anything coming out of Steyr US. |
|
I can’t stand it to think my life is going so fast and I’m not really living it.
|
|
Originally Posted By crazymoose: I have no knowledge of Steyr's bookkeeping, so this is pure speculation on my part, but I think that Steyr's margins are very thin on the AUG. They were like a thousand bucks in the 80's (almost 2,500 in current dollars). They have legitimate competition in the military grade bullpup market in the Tavor and Hellion. Both of those rifles are newer and havea lot of desirable features. I remember hearing that the stocks are a a subcontracted part, so there's probably only so much they can do on cost there. Due to scale, this just isn't like the AR-15 market. View Quote It seems to me that's true for the whole industry. It does not keep pace with inflation. |
|
|
|
Originally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: This is what I thought was a crack when I first saw it. It looks more like a crack in person. After a few dozen attempts from all angles and various lighting conditions, this is the best picture I could take... https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/135543/IMG_2649_jpg-3179216.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/135543/IMG_2642_jpg-3179218.JPG View Quote @ITCHY-FINGER: scratch. Great place for it, huh? That would drive me a bit nuts. |
|
"Such predicaments! I must forge ahead!"
|
Maybe I missed it, but how does one determine the year if there’s no date code?
|
|
|
I just wanna know who is gonna sell me a pre-2020 stock so i can buy an aug already
|
|
|
Originally Posted By casktcrw: I just wanna know who is gonna sell me a pre-2020 stock so i can buy an aug already View Quote https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1030202182 |
|
|
View Quote I dont want a3 And i want green stock |
|
|
Originally Posted By desertmoon: @ITCHY-FINGER: scratch. Great place for it, huh? That would drive me a bit nuts. View Quote Exactly my thoughts. Even though it's not a crack, the resale value of that stock is shit considering EVERYONE is panicked and looking for cracks in AUG stocks and some $#@#&%# who's job it was to clean up stocks, radius holes, etc. put that fake crack on it |
|
|
Originally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Exactly my thoughts. Even though it's not a crack, the resale value of that stock is shit considering EVERYONE is panicked and looking for cracks in AUG stocks and some $#@#&%# who's job it was to clean up stocks, radius holes, etc. put that fake crack on it View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Originally Posted By desertmoon: @ITCHY-FINGER: scratch. Great place for it, huh? That would drive me a bit nuts. Exactly my thoughts. Even though it's not a crack, the resale value of that stock is shit considering EVERYONE is panicked and looking for cracks in AUG stocks and some $#@#&%# who's job it was to clean up stocks, radius holes, etc. put that fake crack on it Just make em replace |
|
|
At least on person on Reddit made a warrantee claim for his broken stock and the stock he received from Steyr had a hairline crack in the bottom LH corner. *facepalm*
Yes, a statement needs to be made ASAP as the AUG's rep is taking a hit. |
|
|
Originally Posted By CJofFL: Maybe I missed it, but how does one determine the year if there’s no date code? View Quote If you remove the buttpad just inside the stock a molded/printed date cod wheel with arrow pointing to month and year printed on it. Of course, depending on when you bought, it there are older stocks that don't have a date wheel. @CJofFL |
|
|
|
Originally Posted By Jack_Flag: If you remove the buttpad just inside the stock a molded/printed date cod wheel with arrow pointing to month and year printed on it. Of course, depending on when you bought, it there are older stocks that don't have a date wheel. View Quote Thanks, but mine looks like @kwb377 pics on page 2. Just a 0 with a line under it. I bought it in 6/2020, although the receiver serial starts with 16, so maybe it was new old stock and I'm safe? Fingers crossed. That said, I find it hard to believe the dealer, Classic Firearms, had it for that long. Maybe they weren't hot sellers in late 201X's and Steyr released it later? |
|
|
Originally Posted By JoshNC: Buy an A3, sell the receiver and bolt group, keep the barrel, stock, and hammer pack, buy A3M1, sell the stock. View Quote If I buy the A3 and sell everything but the stock how much do you figure that stock is going to cost me? Your preposal leaves me with an extra Fcg and barrel |
|
|
Sign up for the ARFCOM weekly newsletter and be entered to win a free ARFCOM membership. One new winner* is announced every week!
You will receive an email every Friday morning featuring the latest chatter from the hottest topics, breaking news surrounding legislation, as well as exclusive deals only available to ARFCOM email subscribers.
AR15.COM is the world's largest firearm community and is a gathering place for firearm enthusiasts of all types.
From hunters and military members, to competition shooters and general firearm enthusiasts, we welcome anyone who values and respects the way of the firearm.
Subscribe to our monthly Newsletter to receive firearm news, product discounts from your favorite Industry Partners, and more.
Copyright © 1996-2024 AR15.COM LLC. All Rights Reserved.
Any use of this content without express written consent is prohibited.
AR15.Com reserves the right to overwrite or replace any affiliate, commercial, or monetizable links, posted by users, with our own.