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Posted: 10/25/2023 8:02:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bigbore: I guess you dont have an FFL either. If your compliance inspector finds a gun with an obliterated serial number, you'll lose your license and go bankrupt fighting it in court. Good luck. Send me a link to your givesendgo, I'll be in for $1K. True enough, but - it is a confusing landscape. I had a compliance inspection in July. The 5th Circuit had struck down several of the Biden changes. My IOI told me due to this, I did not have to comply with them, and he could not enforce them. A few weeks later SCOTUS issued a stay, he called me up and said now I do have to comply with them. These cases are not over, so there will be more changes in the next year. And each month there are more and more challenges rooted from Bruen, so it will get more confusing before it gets less confusing. |
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Posted: 10/25/2023 8:19:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capt_Destro: Is it a Model 10 or a Model 1905 Hand Ejector? Hand Ejector. Can't expect an FFL who shipped a gun with an obliterated serial number to get the model right either. |
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Posted: 10/25/2023 1:32:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: What confidential information was in the post? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: Originally Posted By TradWoodsman: Originally Posted By bigbore: Originally Posted By TradWoodsman: I'm curious as to why you would put all of this up on the internet? How did you handle the last obliterated serial number under your FFL? I'm not an FFL. I have never handled an obliterated serial number. But you probably know that.  It seems like you had a procedure....contact ATF, turn gun over to law enforcement....is there a part in the book that says "post up a confidential transaction on the internet, complete with pictures"? What confidential information was in the post? the unresolved transaction itself should have stayed confidential until resolved. Not run as a play by play on the internet by arrogant know it alls. This was a classic “I’m so smart and everyone is an idiot” thread |
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Posted: 10/25/2023 2:23:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RenegadeX: Yeah it is gonna be ugly for a few years while Bruen gets sorted out. Crazy logic though in that one on the felon count. That one is District Court though so not binding Case Law yet. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RenegadeX: Originally Posted By bladeandbarrel: https://casetext.com/case/united-states-v-price-2098 Yeah it is gonna be ugly for a few years while Bruen gets sorted out. Crazy logic though in that one on the felon count. That one is District Court though so not binding Case Law yet. Heck I'm in WV but not that district so it doesn't apply to me. It's being appealed, should be interesting. https://dockets.justia.com/docket/circuit-courts/ca4/22-4609 |
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Posted: 10/25/2023 2:32:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TradWoodsman: the unresolved transaction itself should have stayed confidential until resolved. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TradWoodsman: the unresolved transaction itself should have stayed confidential until resolved. Aw horseshit. The "FFL Discussions" forum is for...........FFL Discussions. You can't point out one single reason for this thread to have "stayed confidential". It was "resolved" the minute the OP noticed the firearm serial number had been purposely defaced. End of story. Again, He didn't post a damn thing that is "confidential transaction" information. Not the name of the seller. Not the name of shipping FFL. Not the name of the buyer. He posted a photo of a GUN WITH OBLITERATED SERIAL NUMBER!!!!! Not run as a play by play on the internet by arrogant know it alls. You think us arrogant because WE know what the hell we are discussing? If the tone of our replies hurts your feelings, then STFO of threads where you post stupid shit. And yes, all you've done in this thread is post stupid shit. This was a classic “I’m so smart and everyone is an idiot” thread Only one idiot has posted in this thread.  |
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Posted: 10/25/2023 2:46:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TradWoodsman: the unresolved transaction itself should have stayed confidential until resolved. Not run as a play by play on the internet by arrogant know it alls. This was a classic “I’m so smart and everyone is an idiot” thread The fact FFLs have transactions and some are unresolved (often as simple as a DELAY) is not confidential information. |
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Posted: 10/25/2023 2:50:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DogtownTom: Aw horseshit. The "FFL Discussions" forum is for...........FFL Discussions. You can't point out one single reason for this thread to have "stayed confidential". It was "resolved" the minute the OP noticed the firearm serial number had been purposely defaced. End of story. Again, He didn't post a damn thing that is "confidential transaction" information. Not the name of the seller. Not the name of shipping FFL. Not the name of the buyer. He posted a photo of a GUN WITH OBLITERATED SERIAL NUMBER!!!!! You think us arrogant because WE know what the hell we are discussing? If the tone of our replies hurts your feelings, then STFO of threads where you post stupid shit. And yes, all you've done in this thread is post stupid shit. Only one idiot has posted in this thread. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DogtownTom: Originally Posted By TradWoodsman: the unresolved transaction itself should have stayed confidential until resolved. Aw horseshit. The "FFL Discussions" forum is for...........FFL Discussions. You can't point out one single reason for this thread to have "stayed confidential". It was "resolved" the minute the OP noticed the firearm serial number had been purposely defaced. End of story. Again, He didn't post a damn thing that is "confidential transaction" information. Not the name of the seller. Not the name of shipping FFL. Not the name of the buyer. He posted a photo of a GUN WITH OBLITERATED SERIAL NUMBER!!!!! Not run as a play by play on the internet by arrogant know it alls. You think us arrogant because WE know what the hell we are discussing? If the tone of our replies hurts your feelings, then STFO of threads where you post stupid shit. And yes, all you've done in this thread is post stupid shit. This was a classic “I’m so smart and everyone is an idiot” thread Only one idiot has posted in this thread. And who’s that? |
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Posted: 10/25/2023 3:07:05 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/25/2023 3:26:20 PM EDT
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perhaps you already covered this in a prior post and I missed it, why did you get the gun? Was it for a customer or were you going to re-sell it? It looks sort of rough just from the photo.
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Posted: 10/25/2023 4:18:43 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By TradWoodsman: And who’s that? The guy questioning FFL’s discussing FFL things? Do you realize this is a tech forum and not gd? |
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Posted: 10/25/2023 7:27:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mardoc: perhaps you already covered this in a prior post and I missed it, why did you get the gun? Was it for a customer or were you going to re-sell it? It looks sort of rough just from the photo. Someone bought the gun on gunbroker and selected me as his transfer dealer. |
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Posted: 10/25/2023 11:12:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bigbore: Someone bought the gun on gunbroker and selected me as his transfer dealer. Thanks. |
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Posted: 10/25/2023 11:27:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bigbore: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/12678/20231011_122331-2987349.jpg The SN on the paperwork is 245655 They’re reading it upside down |
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Posted: 10/26/2023 12:12:36 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Lazyshooter]
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If it is a pre-model 10 pre-1957 "hand ejector" it should have the serial #:
1. Under the barrel flat, with the letter B far out in front of the # if it was blued. (I get it. Barrels can be changed) 2. On the cylinder. (you can't find a six digit #, which seems odd, unless defaced) 3. Under the ejector star. (Again, can be changed out, but worth looking for) 4. On one grip. Depending on how old, could be in pencil. (I get it. Grips may not be original.) 5. Obviously, the important part for the Batfe, the frame, where you can't make it out, which is your main problem. 6. I believe there's one other area, perhaps near or on crane with a serial #? (again, part can be changed) Did you ask the customer for the gunbroker auction #, to look at the sale ad? Non-ffl here trying to help you out. 
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Posted: 10/26/2023 12:47:29 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/27/2023 10:46:44 PM EDT
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2 pages of drama,
as an FFL, on the rare instance I come across something like this, I simply contact my local ATF office, send them a pic, and ask for guidance, so far, the guidance has been, for a scrubbed and renumbered 1903 Colt, that was renumbered in an obviously different font, was go ahead and sell, shit happens to firearms, not all is malicious, |
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Posted: 10/28/2023 1:05:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rlc: 2 pages of drama, as an FFL, on the rare instance I come across something like this, I simply contact my local ATF office, send them a pic, and ask for guidance, so far, the guidance has been, for a scrubbed and renumbered 1903 Colt, that was renumbered in an obviously different font, was go ahead and sell, shit happens to firearms, not all is malicious, "Malicious" has nothing to do with anything in this thread. It's about the legality of complying with federal law on the possession of a firearm with a defaced serial number. Your local ATF office gave you faulty advice. Good luck with that. |
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Posted: 11/18/2023 1:04:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DogtownTom: It's confidential. /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/subnetfavoritelol-1033.gif lololol |
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Posted: 12/3/2023 6:20:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rlc: 2 pages of drama, as an FFL, on the rare instance I come across something like this, I simply contact my local ATF office, send them a pic, and ask for guidance, so far, the guidance has been, for a scrubbed and renumbered 1903 Colt, that was renumbered in an obviously different font, was go ahead and sell, shit happens to firearms, not all is malicious, Jesus, this. The thing is like 80 years old or more and looks like it was wear, not a hipoint someone took a drill press to. A piece of paper and a pencil lead would have given you the serial. |
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Posted: 12/3/2023 12:28:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DogtownTom: It's confidential. /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/subnetfavoritelol-1033.gif Fuck'n lol. |
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Posted: 12/3/2023 12:32:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By G3k: Jesus, this. The thing is like 80 years old or more and looks like it was wear, not a hipoint someone took a drill press to. A piece of paper and a pencil lead would have given you the serial. LOL, no. The official response from ATF was this was an obliterated serial number. The firearm was logged out of my A&D book to the police department for it to be destroyed. The customer was given a copy of the report which he sent to the selling dealer who issued him a refund. I have no idea if or when the ATF will be contacting the dealer who shipped the contraband firearm. |
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Posted: 12/3/2023 3:22:55 PM EDT
[Last Edit: m200maker]
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192313 would be my guess but ya that’s pretty bad.
Also 392373. |
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Posted: 12/4/2023 1:05:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bigbore: LOL, no. The official response from ATF was this was an obliterated serial number. The firearm was logged out of my A&D book to the police department for it to be destroyed. The customer was given a copy of the report which he sent to the selling dealer who issued him a refund. I have no idea if or when the ATF will be contacting the dealer who shipped the contraband firearm. It's a shame they didn't issue a new serial No and authorization to replace it. Oh well. |
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Posted: 12/4/2023 1:14:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DogtownTom: It's confidential. /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/subnetfavoritelol-1033.gif Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DogtownTom: Originally Posted By TradWoodsman: And who’s that? It's confidential. /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/subnetfavoritelol-1033.gif I subscribed to this thread because of this post. 😂😂 |
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Posted: 12/4/2023 1:35:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DogtownTom: It's confidential. /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/subnetfavoritelol-1033.gif 
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Posted: 12/4/2023 12:02:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SGT-Fish: It's a shame they didn't issue a new serial No and authorization to replace it. Oh well. ATF quit doing that over a decade ago. |
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