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WY, USA
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Posted: 11/2/2023 5:33:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Third_Rail: If not an MP5 mag then something more suitable. I have access to all sorts of weird and somewhat uncommon magazines - perhaps a STA Mle 1924 mag would work better since it's double column but single feed and very slim for what it is. The tungsten bolt guy is "CoffeeFreak" on UziTalk by the way. I looked through my old emails. I'll likely get a drawing together this winter and contact him to see. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Third_Rail: Originally Posted By rudderbutter: I would be all over that like a fat kid on cake. I may attempt it at some point down the line, I've got a pile of MP5 mags/parts lying around… ETA: From eyeballing it, material would need to be added around the magwell to accommodate an MP5 mag; they're almost exactly the same width as the receiver in that area. Something like chopping out the original walls and welding in an MP5 magwell might work. there appears to be plenty of room in front to accommodate the takedown pin in such a configuration. Removing the original magazine release assembly might also clear enough room to put in the HK lever… If not an MP5 mag then something more suitable. I have access to all sorts of weird and somewhat uncommon magazines - perhaps a STA Mle 1924 mag would work better since it's double column but single feed and very slim for what it is. The tungsten bolt guy is "CoffeeFreak" on UziTalk by the way. I looked through my old emails. I'll likely get a drawing together this winter and contact him to see. That's a brilliant idea; one would only need to clearance out the middle-front of the magwell to clear the single-feed tower, and it should still work with the original mags if one swapped the uppers back. |
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WY, USA
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Posted: 11/2/2023 5:47:44 PM EDT
[Last Edit: rudderbutter]
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@Third_Rail Have you tried cycling a .380 lower with a .32 upper on it? I'm curious whether the .32 will feed without the integral feedramp on the receiver…Based on everything so far, it seems to me that a .380 lower would be the perfect multi-caliber option by swapping uppers and potentially doing the single-feed 9mm magwell mod…
Imagine a .380 Vz61 rechambered for 9x19mm, and the magwell modified to accept a Spectre magazine 
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MT, USA
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Posted: 11/2/2023 6:36:36 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Third_Rail]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rudderbutter: @Third_Rail Have you tried cycling a .380 lower with a .32 upper on it? I'm curious whether the .32 will feed without the integral feedramp on the receiver…Based on everything so far, it seems to me that a .380 lower would be the perfect multi-caliber option by swapping uppers and potentially doing the single-feed 9mm magwell mod… Imagine a .380 Vz61 rechambered for 9x19mm, and the magwell modified to accept a Spectre magazine You know - you asked me back in May to give that a try and I plain forgot. It's freezing rain out right now so I can't exactly pop outside to fire it but give me a minute and I'll see if it'll cycle by hand with the combination of a 7.62x17mm upper on 9x18mm lower. ETA: Yes it feeds fine when cycling by hand. |
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WY, USA
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Posted: 11/2/2023 6:43:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Third_Rail: You know - you asked me back in May to give that a try and I plain forgot. It's freezing rain out right now so I can't exactly pop outside to fire it but give me a minute and I'll see if it'll cycle by hand with the combination of a 7.62x17mm upper on 9x18mm lower. ETA: Yes it feeds fine when cycling by hand. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Third_Rail: Originally Posted By rudderbutter: @Third_Rail Have you tried cycling a .380 lower with a .32 upper on it? I'm curious whether the .32 will feed without the integral feedramp on the receiver…Based on everything so far, it seems to me that a .380 lower would be the perfect multi-caliber option by swapping uppers and potentially doing the single-feed 9mm magwell mod… Imagine a .380 Vz61 rechambered for 9x19mm, and the magwell modified to accept a Spectre magazine You know - you asked me back in May to give that a try and I plain forgot. It's freezing rain out right now so I can't exactly pop outside to fire it but give me a minute and I'll see if it'll cycle by hand with the combination of a 7.62x17mm upper on 9x18mm lower. ETA: Yes it feeds fine when cycling by hand. Very promising, thanks for trying it! I really think the Vz61 is like the UMP of the mousegun calibers...with some swapping of parts, you've got tremendous multi-caliber coverage. Mine is sadly a .32 receiver, but I may play with machining down the feedramp to clear the other barrels when I get around to ordering the uppers. |
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Posted: 11/2/2023 8:36:25 PM EDT
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I checked, my Czechpoint VZ61 32ACP/7.65x17 bolt is 304.4grams with the recoil springs and guide rods and everything
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MT, USA
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Posted: 11/2/2023 8:40:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By agb104983: I checked, my Czechpoint VZ61 32ACP/7.65x17 bolt is 304.4grams with the recoil springs and guide rods and everything Interesting! I'd bet anything your bolt velocity is substantially lower with identical ammo. If you run a can you're bound to have less gas in your face too. Would you be willing to take a photo of the back and the underside? Like the pictures I posted on pg10. |
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Posted: 11/2/2023 10:04:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: agb104983]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Third_Rail: Interesting! I'd bet anything your bolt velocity is substantially lower with identical ammo. If you run a can you're bound to have less gas in your face too. Would you be willing to take a photo of the back and the underside? Like the pictures I posted on pg10. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Third_Rail: Originally Posted By agb104983: I checked, my Czechpoint VZ61 32ACP/7.65x17 bolt is 304.4grams with the recoil springs and guide rods and everything Interesting! I'd bet anything your bolt velocity is substantially lower with identical ammo. If you run a can you're bound to have less gas in your face too. Would you be willing to take a photo of the back and the underside? Like the pictures I posted on pg10. Original surplus fullauto bolt on the left on both photos. Obviously you can see a difference in the back because the commercial bolt doesn’t have the area removed for the rate reducer to grab onto. You also see that the bump at the bottom rear of the bolt that would otherwise trip the sear trip lever is missing from the commercial bolt.  Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 11/4/2023 9:56:30 PM EDT
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Reminder: reciprocating bolt handles will try to tear your thumb off if you get excited on a mag change and forget where your support hand should go on these things.
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MT, USA
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Posted: 11/4/2023 10:38:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sefus: Reminder: reciprocating bolt handles will try to tear your thumb off if you get excited on a mag change and forget where your support hand should go on these things. Ouch! I wouldn't enjoy that either. |
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CO, USA
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Posted: 11/5/2023 12:30:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Outrider: Fixed stock is money. Can't wait to shoot it but it feels so much better. Waited two years for this to happen. https://i.imgur.com/HttVlZW.jpg what about a skelotoniezed, or foldin triangle ak looking stock? i like that wire vz 58 angles, but the curves on the solid not makin it for me... |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 11/5/2023 12:36:05 AM EDT
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Anyone who's used Samopal USA (Dan Brown) for a build, does he only do Czechpoint receivers or will he do a Southern Tactical one? They appear to be identical, the only difference is the safety lever. Also, does the Czechpoint stock plate fit on the ST receivers?
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Posted: 11/5/2023 1:05:56 AM EDT
[Last Edit: agb104983]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By saltydecimator: what about a skelotoniezed, or foldin triangle ak looking stock? i like that wire vz 58 angles, but the curves on the solid not makin it for me... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By saltydecimator: Originally Posted By Outrider: Fixed stock is money. Can't wait to shoot it but it feels so much better. Waited two years for this to happen. https://i.imgur.com/HttVlZW.jpg what about a skelotoniezed, or foldin triangle ak looking stock? i like that wire vz 58 angles, but the curves on the solid not makin it for me... Isle Mfg makes a 1913 rail adapter that bolts on the back and then you can use any stock in the firearms market that can attach to a rail. |
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CO, USA
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Posted: 11/6/2023 12:31:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Third_Rail: I'm curious to know if you're correct on it not being milled out for the rate reducer to function. I don't see why they would make them that way - but I also thought they were using surplus bolts where possible. ETA: A random thought. Given the ~34.75cm3 of volume in the surplus 7.65x17mm bolt [~39.75cm3 for the 9x18mm] I could comfortably get over the 625g/22oz baseline for a blowback 9x19mm bolt using tungsten. What's that fellow's name that makes the tungsten alloy Uzi/Mac11 bolts? Could be a very fun project to modify a receiver to accept an MP5 mag or similar and actually have a 9x19mm Vz61 that runs reliably. Expensive. But fun.  why not a cz 75 mag? for looks, ya, buuuuut, functionality or..... |
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MT, USA
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Posted: 11/6/2023 12:48:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By saltydecimator: why not a cz 75 mag? for looks, ya, buuuuut, functionality or..... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By saltydecimator: Originally Posted By Third_Rail: I'm curious to know if you're correct on it not being milled out for the rate reducer to function. I don't see why they would make them that way - but I also thought they were using surplus bolts where possible. ETA: A random thought. Given the ~34.75cm3 of volume in the surplus 7.65x17mm bolt [~39.75cm3 for the 9x18mm] I could comfortably get over the 625g/22oz baseline for a blowback 9x19mm bolt using tungsten. What's that fellow's name that makes the tungsten alloy Uzi/Mac11 bolts? Could be a very fun project to modify a receiver to accept an MP5 mag or similar and actually have a 9x19mm Vz61 that runs reliably. Expensive. But fun. why not a cz 75 mag? for looks, ya, buuuuut, functionality or..... You do you - I don't own a CZ-75. |
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CO, USA
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Posted: 11/6/2023 11:37:50 PM EDT
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well. checked the 75 and a shield plus mag in a 32acp receiver. no dice. about 20 thousandths too short. soooo, maybe like others suggested with the 9x18 or 380 receivers it could work... lil receiver of hte gun is "ideal" for compact sub gun?? no point in all htat space like on an ar15 to shoot handgun rounds...
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WY, USA
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Posted: 11/7/2023 1:14:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By saltydecimator: well. checked the 75 and a shield plus mag in a 32acp receiver. no dice. about 20 thousandths too short. soooo, maybe like others suggested with the 9x18 or 380 receivers it could work... lil receiver of hte gun is "ideal" for compact sub gun?? no point in all htat space like on an ar15 to shoot handgun rounds... .32 ACP, .380 ACP, and 9x18mm Makarov all have the same overall length. The magwells don't differ on the lower, the feedramps do. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 11/8/2023 5:06:59 PM EDT
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Anyone have a good source for .32 barrels that are threaded? My kit from Centerline should be here today, so I want to get the barrel and then 3D print a receiver!
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NC, USA
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Posted: 11/8/2023 5:24:31 PM EDT
[Last Edit: KonsKripteD]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JHorne: Anyone have a good source for .32 barrels that are threaded? My kit from Centerline should be here today, so I want to get the barrel and then 3D print a receiver! There's a seller on Gunbroker that I got one from. Goofy 12mm threading though. https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1016722909 |
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Posted: 11/8/2023 9:37:55 PM EDT
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Anyone know if Czechpoint is going to sell complete lowers?
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Posted: 11/9/2023 12:12:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KonsKripteD: There's a seller on Gunbroker that I got one from. Goofy 12mm threading though. https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1016722909 Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KonsKripteD: Originally Posted By JHorne: Anyone have a good source for .32 barrels that are threaded? My kit from Centerline should be here today, so I want to get the barrel and then 3D print a receiver! There's a seller on Gunbroker that I got one from. Goofy 12mm threading though. https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1016722909 Same seller has listings where you can get that exact barrel but with the 1/2-28 adapter included. That’s what I purchased a while back. https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1014623928 |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 11/9/2023 6:22:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By agb104983: Same seller has listings where you can get that exact barrel but with the 1/2-28 adapter included. That’s what I purchased a while back. https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1014623928 Perfect. Exactly what I was looking for! |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 11/9/2023 9:06:03 AM EDT
[Last Edit: KonsKripteD]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By agb104983: Same seller has listings where you can get that exact barrel but with the 1/2-28 adapter included. That’s what I purchased a while back. https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1014623928 Yeah, I looked at that, but wasn't happy with how the adapter looked. So I'm making an M12x1 3 lug. |
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Posted: 11/9/2023 9:22:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KonsKripteD: Yeah, I looked at that, but wasn't happy with how the adapter looked. So I'm making a M12x1 3 lug. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KonsKripteD: Originally Posted By agb104983: Same seller has listings where you can get that exact barrel but with the 1/2-28 adapter included. That’s what I purchased a while back. https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1014623928 Yeah, I looked at that, but wasn't happy with how the adapter looked. So I'm making a M12x1 3 lug. I hear you but mine worked out perfectly and has performed well with no issues. I’ve probably shot 500 rounds through that particular upper with a can. YMMV |
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Posted: 11/9/2023 5:44:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KonsKripteD: Yeah, I looked at that, but wasn't happy with how the adapter looked. So I'm making an M12x1 3 lug. Please share details on how you are doing this if you can. That would be great vs the big adapter |
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Posted: 11/12/2023 9:58:03 PM EDT
[Last Edit: fury413rb]
[#25]
I got my southern receiver today.
A few machining things don’t seem great. One of the holes by the mag well was eaten into Has anyone else received theirs?  Attached File Attached File |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 11/13/2023 11:19:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cherenkov: Please share details on how you are doing this if you can. That would be great vs the big adapter I'll be working on this either this weekend or the weekend after. I'll post up the results. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 11/13/2023 11:22:18 AM EDT
[Last Edit: KonsKripteD]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fury413rb: I got my southern receiver today. A few machining things don’t seem great. One of the holes by the mag well was eaten into Has anyone else received theirs? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/319551/IMG_6992_jpeg-3026144.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/319551/IMG_6990_png-3026145.JPG They addressed the issues in a few posts on the vz61 subreddit. I'm waiting to see how the next batch turn out before deciding on doing a reweld or buying a new production one. https://www.reddit.com/r/Vz61/comments/17qad6c/southern_tactical_vz_61_recievers/ |
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Posted: 11/13/2023 11:26:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KonsKripteD: They addressed the issues in a few posts on the vz61 subreddit. I'm waiting to see how the next batch turn out before deciding on doing a reweld or buying a new production one. https://www.reddit.com/r/Vz61/comments/17qad6c/southern_tactical_vz_61_recievers/ Thanks for the link! I’m not a big Reddit user but looks like I should be |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 11/13/2023 1:14:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fury413rb: Thanks for the link! I’m not a big Reddit user but looks like I should be No problem! Yeah, I wouldn't be happy with the receiver that you got. |
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OR, USA
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Posted: 11/13/2023 2:53:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KonsKripteD: Yeah, I looked at that, but wasn't happy with how the adapter looked. So I'm making an M12x1 3 lug. I wish someone sold a 7/16x28 3lug. |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 11/14/2023 1:46:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cms81586: Anyone know if Czechpoint is going to sell complete lowers? |
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IA, USA
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Posted: 11/16/2023 5:11:09 PM EDT
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Finally got my replacement receiver I was waiting on since this last summer. With the previous maker having issues, hopefully I'll get lucky with this new Tort made one since they apparently have issues of their own. I have to give credit to Southern Tactical for getting me a replacement. They seem to be trying to do the right thing. I've got a kit ready to install on the new lower so I'll see how it goes this weekend.
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Posted: 11/18/2023 8:50:44 PM EDT
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CO, USA
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Posted: 11/19/2023 6:19:22 PM EDT
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I should not be allowed near modeling programs while I have a pair of calipers and different stocks.
(Note: Won't be doing more than 3d printed prototyping on most of these.)  (top) Ak underfolder, Galil, Yugo AK, 5.5mm AK sidefolder (mid) Standard adapter v2 (bottom) Picatinny, Factory dovetail, Uzi underfolder, AR buffer tube |
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CO, USA
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Posted: 11/22/2023 9:50:08 PM EDT
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looks fabulous!! im pumped for the new
AI modeling tools ( if they actually help destractible, lazy types ) (and the machiens dont enslave us right away) |
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IA, USA
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Posted: 11/24/2023 8:37:15 AM EDT
[#36]
Got my replacement Southern Tactical lower assembled. Required some minor fitting and burr removal here and there including the threads for the rate reducer tube. Seems to function well compared to the previous batch with the large ST logo that wouldn’t lock back on empty or feed consistently. 3 out of 4 ammo’s worked well (PMC seems underpowered). Excited to have a working scorpion now. Hood rat shit engaged.
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Posted: 11/27/2023 2:59:30 PM EDT
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just got on off the EE. is PMC ammo ok for these? if not what brands should i look for and has anyone seen any deals?
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IA, USA
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Posted: 11/27/2023 5:14:00 PM EDT
[#38]
I've heard of more people having issues from American ammo. I think Fiocchi and S&B seem to be the most reliable overall.
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Posted: 11/27/2023 5:49:20 PM EDT
[Last Edit: agb104983]
[#39]
I just saw your post on the Reddit group before clicking here. You can read my reply there, but basically stick with European ammo brands and avoid the USA 32 ACP. Especially avoid any hollow points, stick to FMJ
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Posted: 11/29/2023 9:15:40 PM EDT
[Last Edit: evnash]
[#40]
Finally found one on our EE. 4 mags, rear pic rail adapter, front pic rail adapter, rmr adapter, extra wood grip.
Rand 4 mags worth of ammo thru it. Ppu, Aguila, Norma, Fiocchi. Confirmed it Doesn’t run with hollow point or pmc ammo. Now to find more ammo and get a .22 upper  Attached File |
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CO, USA
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Posted: 12/4/2023 6:10:17 PM EDT
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I told you all I shouldn't be allowed to do this.
Starting top, clockwise: AR15, Uzi (underfolder only), 5.5mm AK sidefolders, Ak underfolder, Vz.58, Galil, Picatinny, and Yugo AK. (inner left) prototype vz.58 adapter for factory dovetails. Almost all of these I'm calling functional failures. They all mount (or can be made to with a few small changes), however currently most sit too high to use the sights. 
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Posted: 12/4/2023 9:20:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Solar991: I told you all I shouldn't be allowed to do this. Starting top, clockwise: AR15, Uzi (underfolder only), 5.5mm AK sidefolders, Ak underfolder, Vz.58, Galil, Picatinny, and Yugo AK. (inner left) prototype vz.58 adapter for factory dovetails. Almost all of these I'm calling functional failures. They all mount (or can be made to with a few small changes), however currently most sit too high to use the sights. https://i.imgur.com/2rmidKfh.jpg Thats badass |
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Posted: 12/6/2023 11:17:52 PM EDT
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Best source for 22 upper and mags?
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IA, USA
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Posted: 12/7/2023 11:52:18 AM EDT
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Just got in a czechpoint 22 lr upper from Atlantic. Hoping to test it out this weekend. Are these picky with ammo? Also has anyone rit dyed the clear mags to black? Not a fan of the clear
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Posted: 12/7/2023 4:17:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By evnash: Best source for 22 upper and mags? Cheapest source is going to be the company that actually imports it and wholesale them to everyone else, Czechpoint. I checked last night and they had the 22 upper kit that I think comes with two magazines for 399. It looks like additional magazines are currently out of stock, but if you set up notifications and check back regularly, they usually come back into stock here and there. |
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CO, USA
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Posted: 12/10/2023 7:35:38 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Solar991]
[#46]
The modeling ride just never ends.
This time, it's charging handles. Edit: updated some of them 
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WY, USA
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Posted: 12/10/2023 12:44:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Solar991: The modeling ride just never ends. This time, it's charging handles. https://i.imgur.com/JKqY0X3h.png I'd be in for a couple of #6
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NC, USA
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Posted: 12/18/2023 5:51:46 PM EDT
[Last Edit: KonsKripteD]
[#48]
Just bought one of the fixed fixed ST receivers from Atlantic. We'll see what it looks like...
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NC, USA
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Posted: 12/22/2023 4:29:11 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KonsKripteD: Just bought one of the fixed fixed ST receivers from Atlantic. We'll see what it looks like... Picked it up today. It looks nice, but the true test will be when I assemble it. |
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Posted: 12/31/2023 8:03:05 PM EDT
[#50]
Thought some might enjoy my latest subsonic ammo gauntlet featuring my .22 conversion + rugged mustang Suppressor
https://youtu.be/eqpAh5SgBe8?si=WcPOUdhjyULgsSC_ |
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