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Posted: 10/10/2019 5:38:56 AM EDT
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@sixtysixdeuce. Did you cut down the cones to fit 12 in there? How far if you can share.
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Posted: 10/10/2019 5:54:34 AM EDT
[#2]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN:
If you have a F1 in hand what can they say? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN:
Originally Posted By jhereg:
I'd like to try one of those. There are "reasons" I"m not willing to order one.  |
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CO, USA
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Posted: 10/10/2019 9:07:14 AM EDT
[#3]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By shelbysguns:
@sixtysixdeuce. Did you cut down the cones to fit 12 in there? How far if you can share. |
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Posted: 10/10/2019 9:48:11 AM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sixtysixdeuce: Yes, and the spacer. 11 of them are .35", the front one is shorter Worst case I go beg lathe time at a buddys. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 10/10/2019 11:30:43 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Bobbybananas]
[#5]
Since this thread is back, I have an update for my modification. I added a wipe between end cap and last baffle and it’s a noticeable difference. I think it came out of a faucet kit and it’s hole diam is pretty damn close to 0.22”. It just clamps in there without issue when the end cap is threaded on. it sounds like a BB gun when running Remington subsonic in a 10/22. No wear so far on the wipe.
Also I’ve noticed k baffle models are all over eBay now, although they’re 2x the price. I couldn’t find any when I ordered this cone type filter. |
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Posted: 10/10/2019 12:02:59 PM EDT
[#6]
Doing God’s work. Thanks.
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CO, USA
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Posted: 10/10/2019 5:44:17 PM EDT
[#7]
These filters can still be found. They are twice the price now.
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Posted: 10/10/2019 9:27:32 PM EDT
[#8]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AvalonRifle:
Interesting review. Thanks very much for taking the time to produce it. |
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MI, USA
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Posted: 10/24/2019 10:34:06 AM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sixtysixdeuce: Absolutely. That's why there's really no useful formula for building these things and getting optimal performance. Changes in baffle spacing, blast chamber size, cone angle, cone shoulder, clip style & size can have a significant impact on performance, both suppression and influence on bullet flight. Some designs are more forgiving than others, though, which is why smooth 60° cones are popular with the F1 crowd; they tend to perform pretty well with a wide range of pressures & volumes. |
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CO, USA
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Posted: 10/24/2019 12:04:53 PM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NostalgiaforInfinity:
If you don't mind me asking, what angle drill bit did you use? Did you try to match the 60° of the cone or just go with a standard 82° bit. Also I really appreciate the write up! It got me motivated to send in my first form 1 this week. |
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MI, USA
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Posted: 10/24/2019 4:20:31 PM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sixtysixdeuce: If you're talking about the reprofiling of the inside, I did it quick & dirty with a 60° starter drill/countersink. |
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CO, USA
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Posted: 10/25/2019 7:04:26 PM EDT
[#12]
If anyone else might be interested, a 3/4" O.D. by 1/2" shank drill bushing will fit in both the endcap and cone of the eBay kit.
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Posted: 10/25/2019 8:18:48 PM EDT
[Last Edit: JQ66]
[#13]
Looks like ebay took down all the “fuel filter” listings maybe two weeks ago.
I bought another just before that happened. I would be Ok with these being for 22LR only. $200 and change plus a potentially quick E filed form one, hard to beat for a 22 suppressor. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 10/26/2019 9:16:54 AM EDT
[#14]
They are on Ebay, but they are harder to find.
You have to search for "storage cups", "wix 4003", "solvent trap". "fuel filter" etc... Keep searching until you find one, then scroll down the listing to look at similar items...it's a bit of a rabbit trail. You can find them on Aliexpress.com as well. I bought a couple of them there. One is an "F" style, 8" with 10 baffles that I ordered just for the extra baffles. Still waiting on them since they ship from China or HongKong |
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CO, USA
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Posted: 10/26/2019 11:37:49 AM EDT
[Last Edit: number40Fan]
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Posted: 10/26/2019 3:49:05 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/26/2019 4:14:50 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By number40Fan:
If anyone else might be interested, a 3/4" O.D. by 1/2" shank drill bushing will fit in both the endcap and cone of the eBay kit. https://i.ibb.co/SPYtM0D/IMG-20191025-164407.jpg https://i.ibb.co/WFHxbHw/IMG-20191025-164428.jpg https://i.ibb.co/hVdMM2F/IMG-20191025-163954.jpg |
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CO, USA
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Posted: 10/28/2019 11:25:34 AM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By zlman:
Dead links |
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CO, USA
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Posted: 10/28/2019 11:30:29 AM EDT
[Last Edit: number40Fan]
[#19]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rodent:
What purpose does that serve? Top aluminum piece is a holder for the cone. Made to hold the cone upside down so you can place the drill bushing in the backside of the cone, hold the cone tightly and use a drill bit the size of the drill bushing to poke a hole in the cone. Can also be used to hold the cone tip up to use the 3D printed guide tool to make the clips which I based on the size SixtySix used in the first post. I used aluminum here since you'll be drilling multiple cones. The 3D printed piece for the endcap is to hold it while using the drill bushing. Only drilling one thing, so no need for an aluminum holder. ETA: None of them are necessary. Both the cones and endcap could easily be held in a vice with something soft between them and the vice. Even after letting a customer know this, they still wanted the holders and guide, so I made them. |
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MI, USA
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Posted: 10/28/2019 1:54:17 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By number40Fan: What part or piece? Top aluminum piece is a holder for the cone. Made to hold the cone upside down so you can place the drill bushing in the backside of the cone, hold the cone tightly and use a drill bit the size of the drill bushing to poke a hole in the cone. Can also be used to hold the cone tip up to use the 3D printed guide tool to make the clips which I based on the size SixtySix used in the first post. I used aluminum here since you'll be drilling multiple cones. The 3D printed piece for the endcap is to hold it while using the drill bushing. Only drilling one thing, so no need for an aluminum holder. ETA: None of them are necessary. Both the cones and endcap could easily be held in a vice with something soft between them and the vice. Even after letting a customer know this, they still wanted the holders and guide, so I made them.  It's my first form 1 so I'm going to be extra careful with drilling precisely on center and try to not mess things up. Parts came in today and look great by the way!
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Posted: 11/2/2019 11:29:13 AM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tikiman001: This just made me imagine one of those little hand crank 22 Gatling guns with a suppressor on each barrel spinning around. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 11/24/2019 9:29:56 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Urotex:
They are on Ebay, but they are harder to find. You have to search for "storage cups", "wix 4003", "solvent trap". "fuel filter" etc... Keep searching until you find one, then scroll down the listing to look at similar items...it's a bit of a rabbit trail. You can find them on Aliexpress.com as well. I bought a couple of them there. One is an "F" style, 8" with 10 baffles that I ordered just for the extra baffles. Still waiting on them since they ship from China or HongKong It has been over a month, so I may not ever get them. I'll probably request a refund with Aliexpress tomorrow. Oh well. 
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CO, USA
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Posted: 11/24/2019 11:19:19 PM EDT
[#23]
I've got a couple other "filters" hanging out in LA customs.
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AK, USA
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Posted: 11/25/2019 12:41:12 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Strayz]
[#24]
Rather than getting them on Ebay and that whole drama thing go to the source.
Aliexpress_DoT_Com and look through auto parts for fuel filters. 11Pcs 1x6 Fuel Oil Filter Car Replacement Spare for 1/2-28 End Cap Fuel Filters Napa 4003 Wix 24003 Automobiles Filters Cups Five bucks and change. Yes you are buying chicom parts, but then again for $220.00 or under you have your .22 can. I know I am saving up (for a stamp) Now. And that purple anodizing is kinda sexy... ROFLMAO :)  [url=https://flic.kr/p/2hQyWtm]
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CO, USA
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Posted: 11/25/2019 1:07:48 AM EDT
[Last Edit: number40Fan]
[#25]
Still has to be shipped into the states at which time Customs gets to decided who gets what.
There might be some monocores sold from within the states still available on eBay. |
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Posted: 11/25/2019 8:23:44 AM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By number40Fan:
Still has to be shipped into the states at which time Customs gets to decided who gets what... |
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CO, USA
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Posted: 11/25/2019 11:55:36 AM EDT
[#27]
I don't know what the seller will do, and I haven't gotten that far yet. Unfortunately, with the spread of arrival dates given by the seller, I won't be able to do anything until after the last possible day that they could arrive which will be next month for me.
I'd likely be able to get my money back if the products don't show up. I just wonder how many manufacturers cried about these easy to form 1 kits that brought such a evil eye on them. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 12/11/2019 9:55:36 AM EDT
[#28]
Mine are still in customs in Chicago.
I opened a dispute with AliExpress, basically they said that customs was my problem. Buyer beware. But I'm only out $20. Maybe they will show up someday... I still haven't got a letter from customs as to why they are being held up. |
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CO, USA
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Posted: 12/11/2019 5:59:30 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Urotex:
Mine are still in customs in Chicago. I opened a dispute with AliExpress, basically they said that customs was my problem. Buyer beware. But I'm only out $20. Maybe they will show up someday... I still haven't got a letter from customs as to why they are being held up. |
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MI, USA
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Posted: 12/12/2019 9:48:40 AM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By number40Fan: Mine are still hung up as well and no letter yet. I can't dispute it with eBay until Saturday. |
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USA
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Posted: 12/12/2019 11:39:07 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By number40Fan:
That didn't take long!! Only posted them here, so that makes me wonder.... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By number40Fan:
Originally Posted By zlman:
Dead links |
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CO, USA
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Posted: 12/12/2019 12:06:04 PM EDT
[#32]
I have seen the US origin ones as well.
The two kits I bought were solely for having one of each cone in hand to make drilling jigs for. I guess if I can't get mine, others won't be able to get theirs, and I won't need the cones to make the jigs. |
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Posted: 12/12/2019 12:15:25 PM EDT
[#33]
Just FYI, the ATF put out a directive on "inline filters" Oct 30. They are actively going after these type of devices that are being imported. Customs is instructed to confiscate them and notify ATF. There have been knock and talks already posted about on FB.
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Posted: 12/12/2019 4:13:41 PM EDT
[#34]
clipped ?? counterbored??
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CO, USA
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Posted: 12/12/2019 5:13:34 PM EDT
[#35]
Can I be grandfathered in? I ordered on the 26th of Oct.
Nothing I ordered was clipped or bored. Just a couple of K-cup filters. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 12/17/2019 8:38:56 PM EDT
[#36]
I just got a letter from the US CBP. stating:
"This is to notify you that U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) seized the property described below at CHICAGO on 11/20/2019: 2 EA Firearm Suppressor N/A The appraised domestic value of the property is $99.00. The property was seized and is subject to forfeiture under the provisions of: 19 USC 1595a(c)(1)(C), 49 USC 80302(a)(2)-Firearm imported by an Unregistered/Untaxed Importer" I can file a petition to seek remission of the forfeiture, make a Offer in Compromise, Abandon the property, Request Court Action by submitting a $250 bond, take no action. Ugh
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Posted: 12/17/2019 8:50:36 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Urotex:
I just got a letter from the US CBP. stating: "This is to notify you that U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) seized the property described below at CHICAGO on 11/20/2019: 2 EA Firearm Suppressor N/A The appraised domestic value of the property is $99.00. The property was seized and is subject to forfeiture under the provisions of: 19 USC 1595a(c)(1)(C), 49 USC 80302(a)(2)-Firearm imported by an Unregistered/Untaxed Importer" I can file a petition to seek remission of the forfeiture, make a Offer in Compromise, Abandon the property, Request Court Action by submitting a $250 bond, take no action. Ugh |
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CT, USA
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Posted: 12/17/2019 9:03:58 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Urotex:
I just got a letter
Which kit was this for? |
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CO, USA
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Posted: 12/17/2019 9:50:24 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Urotex:
I just got a letter from the US CBP. stating: "This is to notify you that U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) seized the property described below at CHICAGO on 11/20/2019: 2 EA Firearm Suppressor N/A The appraised domestic value of the property is $99.00. The property was seized and is subject to forfeiture under the provisions of: 19 USC 1595a(c)(1)(C), 49 USC 80302(a)(2)-Firearm imported by an Unregistered/Untaxed Importer" I can file a petition to seek remission of the forfeiture, make a Offer in Compromise, Abandon the property, Request Court Action by submitting a $250 bond, take no action. Ugh |
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CO, USA
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Posted: 12/17/2019 10:00:50 PM EDT
[#40]
The ones that I have held up in customs, no letter yet, are K-Cup style with no holes other than the adapter.
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TX, USA
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Posted: 12/17/2019 10:14:18 PM EDT
[#41]
I'm sending a petition as follows:
"I would like to request remission of the forfeiture on the grounds that the property seized was incorrectly characterized as “2 EA Firearm Suppressor N/A”. Enclosed is the invoice from the seller describing the items purchased as “Car Fuel Filter Car Solvent Traps”. If you inspect the items in your possession, you will see that the end caps and storage cups in the solvent traps are solid and would not allow passage of a projectile through them. As such, they can not function or be characterized as a “Firearm Suppressor” and are not subject to forfeiture under the provisions of: 19 USC 1595a(c)(1)(C), 49 USC 80302(a)(2)-Firearm imported by an Unregistered/Untaxed Importer." We'll see what happens. It only costs me a stamp. |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 12/17/2019 10:26:18 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Asylum9]
[#42]
Typically if your product get lost in the mail or takes an exceptionally long time they just send a new one. But I've never had something stolen from me by customs. Wonder if you could dispute the charge?
Hopefully someone with a legal background will fight this. I can you confiscate an item for what it Could be? Yeah some of these that are complete like the mono brakes/filters I can understand that a little more. A tube with some spacers or cups seems like a major over reach. If it continues how soon till they try and enforce this on domestic products? It's not like the Glock go fast switches they allowed in by the tens of thousands. It's a tube at worst can be turned into a hearing protection device. |
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CT, USA
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Posted: 12/17/2019 10:58:46 PM EDT
[Last Edit: User55645]
[#43]
@Urotex
You don't lose a stamp over this. If you have an approved, unbuilt form 1 stamp, you can still build it, legally. You're simply out the cost of product. @Asylum9 It's a dichotomy. Customs is probably inundated with these packages and diverts them to ATF. It's easier to send out a blanket form and let a secondary division handle it. Once they get a handle on it, I'd bet the "solvent traps" are no longer an issue. |
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Posted: 12/17/2019 11:16:08 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By User55645:
@Urotex You don't lose a stamp over this. If you have an approved, unbuilt form 1 stamp, you can still build it, legally. You're simply out the cost of product. |
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Posted: 12/18/2019 2:51:28 AM EDT
[Last Edit: dangerdan]
[#45]
I remember someone posting a pic of a small piece of paper that had official-like language.
But it looked seriously off |
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CT, USA
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Posted: 12/18/2019 9:52:26 AM EDT
[#46]
@BigWaylon
Postage stamp 
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TX, USA
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Posted: 12/18/2019 9:40:23 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By User55645:
@BigWaylon Postage stamp
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TX, USA
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Posted: 12/18/2019 9:45:33 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sixtysixdeuce: Which kits were they that were declared to be silencers? The ones I started this thread about are no different from the many legal non-firearm kits made here, but I've seen several for sale that were either complete monocore suppressors or complete baffled cans that just needed the end cap poked (baffles were drilled already, ergo silencer parts) |
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Posted: 12/19/2019 9:31:29 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By number40Fan:
The ones that I have held up in customs, no letter yet, are K-Cup style with no holes other than the adapter. |
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Posted: 12/19/2019 10:40:31 PM EDT
[#50]
The Quietbore 22 kit is cheap enough. My buddy has one and it works well enough. I think it was 130 bucks with a coupon.
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