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Originally Posted By RDTCU: Related, for those of us with shallower pockets The PSA X57 concept from Shot As much as i want a TT MP7 i don't think i'll e able to put that much into one, especially given current ammo options. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/173511/1000003031_jpg-3104769.JPG View Quote Looks like a hipoint rip off of the MP7.... Trigger safety vs manual safety, for a PDW/bag gun. |
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Originally Posted By CKxx: Everyone loves to pardon HK and cite "muh German export laws." If that were true, we wouldn't have half the cool guns we have today. All the manufacturers (that care) open a US-based facility. I've said it 1000 times, I wish HK would go bankrupt (again) so the IP could be auctioned to someone that isn't an asshole. View Quote HK is a corporation, not a charity. If they thought they could recoup the massive cost of opening a new factory and make more profit than they would by investing the money somewhere else, they would. They aren't choosing to leave money on the table. They are profit driven like everyone else. But this is the US, and people here aren't actually lining up in droves to buy the existing high priced HK products. Building a factory to build a 433 when people are just gonna say "what does this do bettah than muh AR-15" and then buy 5 more ARs isn't a smart investment. Especially for a company that seemingly is always on the bleeding edge of going under again. If FN wasn't selling rifles to the US military, they wouldn't have a big factory over here either. That's being propped up by their massive military contracts. HK doesn't have those here. It not that HK doesn't care, it's that we aren't worth it. That's how capitalism works. I bought my T36 from Tom almost a year after they were available. My serial number was high 2 digits. My replacement after the recall is mid 3 digit. HK isn't opening a factory for that fucking volume. |
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Originally Posted By akumadiavolo: HK is a corporation, not a charity. If they thought they could recoup the massive cost of opening a new factory and make more profit than they would by investing the money somewhere else, they would. They aren't choosing to leave money on the table. They are profit driven like everyone else. But this is the US, and people here aren't actually lining up in droves to buy the existing high priced HK products. Building a factory to build a 433 when people are just gonna say "what does this do bettah than muh AR-15" and then buy 5 more ARs isn't a smart investment. Especially for a company that seemingly is always on the bleeding edge of going under again. If FN wasn't selling rifles to the US military, they wouldn't have a big factory over here either. That's being propped up by their massive military contracts. HK doesn't have those here. It not that HK doesn't care, it's that we aren't worth it. That's how capitalism works. I bought my T36 from Tom almost a year after they were available. My serial number was high 2 digits. My replacement after the recall is mid 3 digit. HK isn't opening a factory for that fucking volume. View Quote ain't got time for none of that there "smarty facts and such" this is ARF you just don't look like a cool kid by posting that you DO want to look like a cool kid Don't you? |
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Wow! I thought this would be way over $3500. Shit, at $3500 I'd buy one, although I'm sure the entire first run will be bought up in seconds and on GB for 2-3x.
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Originally Posted By Zerlak: Looks like a hipoint rip off of the MP7.... Trigger safety vs manual safety, for a PDW/bag gun. View Quote Yeah, not the prettiest, but what they show there appears to be just a shell for a Rock pistol. Not sure if that's what the production version would look like. PSA has been cranking out some neat stuff recently. On the poor man's MP7 front, i have this Attached File |
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Originally Posted By akumadiavolo: HK is a corporation, not a charity. If they thought they could recoup the massive cost of opening a new factory and make more profit than they would by investing the money somewhere else, they would. They aren't choosing to leave money on the table. They are profit driven like everyone else. But this is the US, and people here aren't actually lining up in droves to buy the existing high priced HK products. Building a factory to build a 433 when people are just gonna say "what does this do bettah than muh AR-15" and then buy 5 more ARs isn't a smart investment. Especially for a company that seemingly is always on the bleeding edge of going under again. If FN wasn't selling rifles to the US military, they wouldn't have a big factory over here either. That's being propped up by their massive military contracts. HK doesn't have those here. It not that HK doesn't care, it's that we aren't worth it. That's how capitalism works. I bought my T36 from Tom almost a year after they were available. My serial number was high 2 digits. My replacement after the recall is mid 3 digit. HK isn't opening a factory for that fucking volume. View Quote HK doesn't need to open a factory to produce the MP7 here - they can just make it in Germany and export it as a semi-auto pistol (exactly like they do with the SP5). An SP7, if you will. I'm really curious how sales of the SP5 have gone for them because that would be a good indicator of potential future German made pistol imports (like an SP7). That being said, certainly (to your point) they're not doing shit unless they're going to make a hefty profit from it, but again, I'm curious about SP5 net revenues. It sure seems like they've sold a shit load of SP5s at $3,000+ for the past several years - I'd like to think they could do the same with an SP7. |
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Man, this is the first gun I’ve been excited for in a while. Hoping to snag one from the first batch.
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Is there still talk of making this in both 4.6 and 5.7? Or any other calibers?
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Thought I was done with stamps but if I were to get one of these I'd have to SBR it and get it in 4.6, just to be a proper clone nerd.
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Originally Posted By wayfaerer320: HK doesn't need to open a factory to produce the MP7 here - they can just make it in Germany and export it as a semi-auto pistol (exactly like they do with the SP5). An SP7, if you will. I'm really curious how sales of the SP5 have gone for them because that would be a good indicator of potential future German made pistol imports (like an SP7). That being said, certainly (to your point) they're not doing shit unless they're going to make a hefty profit from it, but again, I'm curious about SP5 net revenues. It sure seems like they've sold a shit load of SP5s at $3,000+ for the past several years - I'd like to think they could do the same with an SP7. View Quote SP5s and SP5ks were flying off the shelves and selling for huge markets in the aftermarket. Now? Finding them at MSRP and sometimes lower is not really that difficult....esp the SP5s. I suspect an SP7 would be much the same. The HK nerds would spend big money on the early guns....and then it would dwindle down to much lower volume. Few folks want a 5.7....even fewer a 4.6. |
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Originally Posted By RDTCU: Yeah, not the prettiest, but what they show there appears to be just a shell for a Rock pistol. Not sure if that's what the production version would look like. PSA has been cranking out some neat stuff recently. On the poor man's MP7 front, i have this https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/173511/Attach69374_20240108_214525_jpg-3104979.JPG View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By RDTCU: Originally Posted By Zerlak: Looks like a hipoint rip off of the MP7.... Trigger safety vs manual safety, for a PDW/bag gun. Yeah, not the prettiest, but what they show there appears to be just a shell for a Rock pistol. Not sure if that's what the production version would look like. PSA has been cranking out some neat stuff recently. On the poor man's MP7 front, i have this https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/173511/Attach69374_20240108_214525_jpg-3104979.JPG PSA MP7 at Home, Krink, Vuk, & MORE at Shot Show 2024 Not to thread slide, but (per the video) it is a prototype that is 3D printed. It’s not a chassis for the Rock, but it does share a lot of small parts. The grip does look very hi point, and I hope they fix it. The T7P is a lot sleeker and true-er to the HK to my eye, but at 3.5x the projected price (X5.7 is expected at $1k vs T7P at $3.5k), I know where my $ would go. Having multiple options is a great thing though. |
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I truly wonder how fast this first batch will sell. $3500 definitely isn't outlandish for what it is, and there are a million people saying "I'm gonna buy this," but I wonder if it'll truly fly off the shelves or not when it's actually available. Hopefully it'll last long enough for me to get the money together
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Originally Posted By Blanco_Diablo: I truly wonder how fast this first batch will sell. $3500 definitely isn't outlandish for what it is, and there are a million people saying "I'm gonna buy this," but I wonder if it'll truly fly off the shelves or not when it's actually available. Hopefully it'll last long enough for me to get the money together View Quote You can count on me buying one or at least trying. |
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The caliber is definitely going to lessen the interest of even those who can afford the base gun. I do hope it works out. I want one for sure.
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Originally Posted By lilMAC25: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wt_W4YAEFKs Not to thread slide, but (per the video) it is a prototype that is 3D printed. It’s not a chassis for the Rock, but it does share a lot of small parts. The grip does look very hi point, and I hope they fix it. The T7P is a lot sleeker and true-er to the HK to my eye, but at 3.5x the projected price (X5.7 is expected at $1k vs T7P at $3.5k), I know where my $ would go. Having multiple options is a great thing though. View Quote Those two guns aren't even from the same planet when it comes to target market. I don't think anyone seriously considering a T7 is even remotely debating a PSA "GUD ENUF" gun as a legitimate alternate option. |
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Originally Posted By Blanco_Diablo: I truly wonder how fast this first batch will sell. $3500 definitely isn't outlandish for what it is, and there are a million people saying "I'm gonna buy this," but I wonder if it'll truly fly off the shelves or not when it's actually available. Hopefully it'll last long enough for me to get the money together View Quote |
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Originally Posted By Blanco_Diablo: I truly wonder how fast this first batch will sell. $3500 definitely isn't outlandish for what it is, and there are a million people saying "I'm gonna buy this," but I wonder if it'll truly fly off the shelves or not when it's actually available. Hopefully it'll last long enough for me to get the money together View Quote With tax, shipping, FFL transfer, SBR tax, stock, engraving, ammo, foregrip, sights, and mags, this is easily a $5k gun. Not that people mentally add all those things up before buying |
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Originally Posted By MikeMilligan: With tax, shipping, FFL transfer, SBR tax, stock, engraving, ammo, foregrip, sights, and mags, this is easily a $5k gun. Not that people mentally add all those things up before buying View Quote Oh man. That’s the low end when talking a decent amount of ammo, optic, light, laser, mags etc |
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Doesn't PSA have a $1000 version coming?
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Originally Posted By CKxx: Those two guns aren't even from the same planet when it comes to target market. I don't think anyone seriously considering a T7 is even remotely debating a PSA "GUD ENUF" gun as a legitimate alternate option. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By CKxx: Originally Posted By lilMAC25: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wt_W4YAEFKs Not to thread slide, but (per the video) it is a prototype that is 3D printed. It’s not a chassis for the Rock, but it does share a lot of small parts. The grip does look very hi point, and I hope they fix it. The T7P is a lot sleeker and true-er to the HK to my eye, but at 3.5x the projected price (X5.7 is expected at $1k vs T7P at $3.5k), I know where my $ would go. Having multiple options is a great thing though. Those two guns aren't even from the same planet when it comes to target market. I don't think anyone seriously considering a T7 is even remotely debating a PSA "GUD ENUF" gun as a legitimate alternate option. I can afford either (or both), but I doubt I’ll buy the T7P. I’m much more likely to buy a PSA “GUD ENUF”, but I’m happy with 2 Toad Bailey clones, instead of trying to find HK versions. 🤷🏼♂️ |
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Originally Posted By MikeMilligan: With tax, shipping, FFL transfer, SBR tax, stock, engraving, ammo, foregrip, sights, and mags, this is easily a $5k gun. Not that people mentally add all those things up before buying View Quote So, HK Parts bought all the 30 round mags from Arms Unlimited. There were about 1100 mags in total that HKP bought. AU sold them at $35 a mag, HKP is now at $125 for those same mags. There are less than 75 mags remaining. All of the T7P units could be sold today without bothering with a sign up. |
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Originally Posted By Nzfly: So, HK Parts bought all the 30 round mags from Arms Unlimited. There were about 1100 mags in total that HKP bought. AU sold them at $35 a mag, HKP is now at $125 for those same mags. There are less than 75 mags remaining. All of the T7P units could be sold today without bothering with a sign up. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Nzfly: Originally Posted By MikeMilligan: With tax, shipping, FFL transfer, SBR tax, stock, engraving, ammo, foregrip, sights, and mags, this is easily a $5k gun. Not that people mentally add all those things up before buying So, HK Parts bought all the 30 round mags from Arms Unlimited. There were about 1100 mags in total that HKP bought. AU sold them at $35 a mag, HKP is now at $125 for those same mags. There are less than 75 mags remaining. All of the T7P units could be sold today without bothering with a sign up. Half will be purchased by gunbroker "dealers". Same goes for these mags. But I don't doubt that all 500 T7s will be sold to an end user, eventually. |
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Tommybuilt seems to have a good reputation…I’m in for one after they get into the wild and people put rounds through them.
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Originally Posted By MikeMilligan: Half will be purchased by gunbroker "dealers". Same goes for these mags. But I don't doubt that all 500 T7s will be sold to an end user, eventually. View Quote It is possible that from your vantage point you are grossly underestimating the demand. One dealer will get a lot of pre-production receivers with errors on them but that is it. There is more than enough takers as it sits right now. |
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I want one badly, but not for the $6k+that it'll eventually be. Especially with the inevitable scarcity of magazines and ammo.
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Does he plan on making mags?
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Originally Posted By BoSanders: Tommybuilt seems to have a good reputation…I’m in for one after they get into the wild and people put rounds through them. View Quote That’s where I’m at. I hope there is more than one batch because $3500 is a little steep to gamble on being a product tester. Nothing against Tommybuilt. |
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Originally Posted By Nzfly: There is a mag design that was prototyped. It is paused because HK says they will be bringing in mags. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Nzfly: Originally Posted By CJofFL: Does he plan on making mags? There is a mag design that was prototyped. It is paused because HK says they will be bringing in mags. HK is so strange to me sometimes. The fact that they're supportive of Tommy cloning their guns and making money doing it is...I mean am I the only person that doesn't get that? Don't get me wrong - I think it's great they have a good relationship with Tommy, but it always strikes me as odd. And why would they make MP7 magazines commercially available for a gun that isn't? |
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Didn’t ask him about making mags
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Originally Posted By wayfaerer320: HK is so strange to me sometimes. The fact that they're supportive of Tommy cloning their guns and making money doing it is...I mean am I the only person that doesn't get that? Don't get me wrong - I think it's great they have a good relationship with Tommy, but it always strikes me as odd. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By wayfaerer320: HK is so strange to me sometimes. The fact that they're supportive of Tommy cloning their guns and making money doing it is...I mean am I the only person that doesn't get that? Don't get me wrong - I think it's great they have a good relationship with Tommy, but it always strikes me as odd. It makes sense because, hey, at least they're selling some parts, and they're not competing with themselves for semi-auto MP7 sales (since they don't offer to that market, and don't plan to, yet). And why would they make MP7 magazines commercially available for a gun that isn't? |
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Originally Posted By wayfaerer320: HK doesn't need to open a factory to produce the MP7 here - they can just make it in Germany and export it as a semi-auto pistol (exactly like they do with the SP5). An SP7, if you will. I'm really curious how sales of the SP5 have gone for them because that would be a good indicator of potential future German made pistol imports (like an SP7). That being said, certainly (to your point) they're not doing shit unless they're going to make a hefty profit from it, but again, I'm curious about SP5 net revenues. It sure seems like they've sold a shit load of SP5s at $3,000+ for the past several years - I'd like to think they could do the same with an SP7. View Quote They cannot export the MP7 like the SP5. German law prohibits non-sporting handgun exports/sales with a caliber under 6.3mm, unless it's rimfire. Even the semi-auto MP7-SF is mil/LE only. They cannot sell locally nor export any version of the MP7 for civilian use. They would need a factory in the country it would sell in. And as previously mentioned HK guns like the SP5 sell like hotcakes, for a year. Then everyone who is willing to pay that much already has, and then the guns languish on shelves. |
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Originally Posted By lilMAC25: I can afford either (or both), but I doubt I’ll buy the T7P. I’m much more likely to buy a PSA “GUD ENUF”, but I’m happy with 2 Toad Bailey clones, instead of trying to find HK versions. 🤷🏼♂️ View Quote I’m with you on this. If H&K was selling a MP7/SP7 with HK roll marks for $3,500, that would be one thing for me. I’d be all in from the investment and historical perspective. But for a Tommybuilt, not sure I’d drop $3500 for something that would be just a fun shooter. The PSA alternative at $1000 might just be good enough. |
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Originally Posted By akumadiavolo: They cannot export the MP7 like the SP5. German law prohibits non-sporting handgun exports/sales with a caliber under 6.3mm, unless it's rimfire. Even the semi-auto MP7-SF is mil/LE only. They cannot sell locally nor export any version of the MP7 for civilian use. They would need a factory in the country it would sell in. And as previously mentioned HK guns like the SP5 sell like hotcakes, for a year. Then everyone who is willing to pay that much already has, and then the guns languish on shelves. View Quote Didn't know about the 6.3mm threshold - interesting. |
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Originally Posted By wayfaerer320: HK is so strange to me sometimes. The fact that they're supportive of Tommy cloning their guns and making money doing it is...I mean am I the only person that doesn't get that? Don't get me wrong - I think it's great they have a good relationship with Tommy, but it always strikes me as odd. And why would they make MP7 magazines commercially available for a gun that isn't? View Quote Don't overlook the fact there are a ton of companies who have made HK clones - all of the roller locks, the ump, the P7, 416's, and tom's products. He is far from alone in the sea of people filling the orders that HK wont. That said, HK needs Tom. Without Tom there wouldn't have been any sales of the SL8 or the USC. Even with Tom making those into what people really wanted, sales suck on the SL8 as evidenced by the blowout prices on them. Tom helps them, they help Tom - no real alarming relationship exists. HK made all new tooling for MP7 mags. That was the lull in the supply chain on them. Either the dies were worn from stamping military orders, or the reports of issues with some of the 20's and 40's are real. I can say that the 40 round mag has been slightly modified. It wasn't an accident they decided to reduce movement when inserted into the grip. |
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Originally Posted By akumadiavolo: They cannot export the MP7 like the SP5. German law prohibits non-sporting handgun exports/sales with a caliber under 6.3mm, unless it's rimfire. Even the semi-auto MP7-SF is mil/LE only. They cannot sell locally nor export any version of the MP7 for civilian use. They would need a factory in the country it would sell in. And as previously mentioned HK guns like the SP5 sell like hotcakes, for a year. Then everyone who is willing to pay that much already has, and then the guns languish on shelves. View Quote I will add the SF model is nothing more than the swap of a selector and the lack of the 3rd position pictos on the receiver. A slight modification or replacement of the selector and it will go FA without any other parts required. |
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I don’t think I’ve ever bought parts to a gun before I got it but here I am. First two parts came today and have two Surefire mini2s in jail, one of which will find its home on a T7 hopefully.
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Originally Posted By BBOHACH: I don’t think I’ve ever bought parts to a gun before I got it but here I am. First two parts came today and have two Surefire mini2s in jail, one of which will find its home on a T7 hopefully. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/314960/IMG_1241_jpeg-3107385.JPG View Quote I've got the grip, 2 mags, 500 rnds and the B&T compcat suppressor. If he was selling the stock right now I'd have that too but those will be available when the guns are. |
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Originally Posted By Nzfly: So, HK Parts bought all the 30 round mags from Arms Unlimited. There were about 1100 mags in total that HKP bought. AU sold them at $35 a mag, HKP is now at $125 for those same mags. There are less than 75 mags remaining. All of the T7P units could be sold today without bothering with a sign up. View Quote I am zero percent surprised to hear that HKParts did that. They are such fucking assholes its amazing that some people defend them |
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Originally Posted By BBOHACH: I don’t think I’ve ever bought parts to a gun before I got it but here I am. First two parts came today and have two Surefire mini2s in jail, one of which will find its home on a T7 hopefully. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/314960/IMG_1241_jpeg-3107385.JPG View Quote @BBOHACH Wherrrrre did you get that SF3P?? I need it! I imagine it'll work with a RC2? I only have 100 rounds of 4.6 on hand. Trying to find some mags that aren't from HKParts and I'll pick up a stock from Tom when they're available. Hoping that these being out in the wild will encourage some more ammo and part availability, and hopefully Tom plans on producing magazines. |
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Originally Posted By Hking: I am zero percent surprised to hear that HKParts did that. They are such fucking assholes its amazing that some people defend them View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Hking: Originally Posted By Nzfly: So, HK Parts bought all the 30 round mags from Arms Unlimited. There were about 1100 mags in total that HKP bought. AU sold them at $35 a mag, HKP is now at $125 for those same mags. There are less than 75 mags remaining. All of the T7P units could be sold today without bothering with a sign up. I am zero percent surprised to hear that HKParts did that. They are such fucking assholes its amazing that some people defend them Where did TB get his mags? |
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Originally Posted By Blanco_Diablo: @BBOHACH Wherrrrre did you get that SF3P?? I need it! I imagine it'll work with a RC2? I only have 100 rounds of 4.6 on hand. Trying to find some mags that aren't from HKParts and I'll pick up a stock from Tom when they're available. Hoping that these being out in the wild will encourage some more ammo and part availability, and hopefully Tom plans on producing magazines. View Quote Snagged it off of r/GAFS. Had been on there for months apparently. Was 400 beans so definitely high but worth it to me at this point. |
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FINALLY! A Civilian H&K MP7 (Tommybuilt T7) Starting around 1 minute 55 seconds with B&T rep initially it was around 500 to start, then orders jumped to 3000 additional orders. |
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Originally Posted By Blanco_Diablo: Wherrrrre did you get that SF3P?? I need it! I imagine it'll work with a RC2? View Quote I saw on another forum post from last year that someone called Surefire directly and was able to order one of a few that were remaining on hand (assuming long gone by now). They were apparently told that an order of 25 or more would be needed to do another run. It might be worth calling Surefire and finding out if any are available or what would be needed to get more, such as organizing a group purchase. |
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