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CO, USA
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Posted: 4/6/2024 8:11:42 PM EDT
[Last Edit: saigamanTX]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PointBlank82: Yeah, I figured she would be the sacrificial goat. I guess Gonzales was cheaper. The fact they kept this under wraps means they have an advanced plan to fast track this thru the House and Senate. Don't be fooled. Gear up NOW. |
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CO, USA
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Posted: 4/6/2024 8:12:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PointBlank82: Yeah, I figured she would be the sacrificial goat. I guess Gonzales was cheaper. The fact they kept this under wraps means they have an advanced plan to fast track this thru the House and Senate. Don't be fooled. Gear up NOW. I won't comply. I don't care who sees it. Fuck em all. |
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Posted: 4/7/2024 11:08:41 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Harlikwin]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PointBlank82: Yeah, I figured she would be the sacrificial goat. I guess Gonzales was cheaper. The fact they kept this under wraps means they have an advanced plan to fast track this thru the House and Senate. Don't be fooled. Gear up NOW. Fucking sucks... But not unexpected... There will be senate judiciary meeting as well I assume where we can at least try clown show 2.0 all over again. |
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CO, USA
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Posted: 4/7/2024 12:51:36 PM EDT
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the merchant code bill, from what I understand, will only flag THAT a firearm was purchased but not the specifics of make/model/serial number
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Posted: 4/7/2024 1:05:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TrailFork: the merchant code bill, from what I understand, will only flag THAT a firearm was purchased but not the specifics of make/model/serial number yes/no ? No idea how it is supposed to work. But doubtful it includes any real info. |
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Posted: 4/7/2024 1:10:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Harlikwin: No idea how it is supposed to work. But doubtful it includes any real info. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Harlikwin: Originally Posted By TrailFork: the merchant code bill, from what I understand, will only flag THAT a firearm was purchased but not the specifics of make/model/serial number yes/no ? No idea how it is supposed to work. But doubtful it includes any real info. I don't trust CBI to not be recording everything already, so this is kind of redundant. |
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Posted: 4/7/2024 1:27:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PointBlank82: I don't trust CBI to not be recording everything already, so this is kind of redundant. Yeah. That too. |
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CO, USA
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Posted: 4/7/2024 4:56:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Harlikwin: Fucking sucks... But not unexpected... There will be senate judiciary meeting as well I assume where we can at least try clown show 2.0 all over again. |
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Posted: 4/7/2024 5:39:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By saigamanTX: The senate is where we have a better shot. The house is full of true believers. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By saigamanTX: Originally Posted By Harlikwin: Fucking sucks... But not unexpected... There will be senate judiciary meeting as well I assume where we can at least try clown show 2.0 all over again. They're all Good Commies dude, don't fool yourself. This makes it to the Senate, I don't think its going to take much to pass. |
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CO, USA
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Posted: 4/7/2024 8:01:46 PM EDT
[Last Edit: SSVGroupCoach]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PointBlank82: They're all Good Commies dude, don't fool yourself. This makes it to the Senate, I don't think its going to take much to pass. Wait a good commie is a....  commie, right?But the Senate member are a LOT more exposed to recall (see 2012). They may not do the right thing for the right reasons, but they'll sometimes do the right thing out of a sense of self-preservation. |
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Posted: 4/8/2024 11:02:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SSVGroupCoach: Wait a good commie is a.... commie, right?But the Senate member are a LOT more exposed to recall (see 2012). They may not do the right thing for the right reasons, but they'll sometimes do the right thing out of a sense of self-preservation. Recalls are significantly harder now. That was a Bipartisan move... |
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Posted: 4/8/2024 3:00:47 PM EDT
[Last Edit: PointBlank82]
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Denver Post published an article a couple hours ago. They think that an entire day is going to be needed for the House to debate this, depending "on how long they let House Republicans Filibuster". Julie Gonzales was also mentioned as the Senate Sponsor. Shits getting real guys:
Left cold because, FDP: https://www.denverpost.com/2024/04/08/jena-griswold-impeachment-assault-weapon-ban-colorado-legislature/ Gun bills An immediate caveat here: The legislature’s calendar is not always gospel, and bills scheduled for one day often get moved forward and back as needed. That being said, there are a slew of gun bills calendared for this week. Chief among them is the bill to ban the sale, transfer and purchase of so-called assault weapons in Colorado — HB24-1292. The bill cleared its committee vote in the House last month, but House leadership had held off on scheduling the bill for floor work because it didn’t have a Senate sponsor. That’s changed now, with Sen. Julie Gonzales, a Denver Democrat, agreeing to lead the charge in the Senate. Now the bill has a good chance of a first vote in the full House this week, the House’s majority leader said early Monday morning. That debate would likely take up an entire day, depending on whether Democrats decide to limit how long Republicans can filibuster. Other gun bills scheduled for House debate this week include SB24-066, which would put a specific vendor code on the sale of firearms and ammo so they could be better tracked. That bill needs one more vote in the House, which may come Monday. HB24-1270 — requiring gunowners to have liability insurance — is also scheduled for its first full House vote this week. HB24-1353 — which would require gun shops to have a state license on top of their federal one — is set for a second committee hearing in House Finance on Monday afternoon. SB24-003, which would direct money to state law enforcement to better investigate gun crimes, will be heard in House Judiciary on Wednesday. HB24-1348 (seeking to better regulate how guns are stored in vehicles) and HB24-1174 (adding more requirements to conceal-carry permit trainings) will both be heard in the Senate’s State, Veterans and Military Affairs Committee on Thursday. |
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Posted: 4/8/2024 3:20:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PointBlank82: Denver Post published an article a couple hours ago. They think that an entire day is going to be needed for the House to debate this, depending "on how long they let House Republicans Filibuster". Julie Gonzales was also mentioned as the Senate Sponsor. Shits getting real guys: Left cold because, FDP: https://www.denverpost.com/2024/04/08/jena-griswold-impeachment-assault-weapon-ban-colorado-legislature/ I'm still gonna hold out that the two big ones, the Specific insurance and the AWB, will not pass. All the others will, but I still have my doubts about the big two. |
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CO, USA
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Posted: 4/8/2024 10:16:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: The_Beer_Slayer]
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CT, USA
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Posted: 4/8/2024 10:29:27 PM EDT
[#15]
Eh. Doesn't matter. All not Constitutional.
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Posted: 4/8/2024 10:32:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By vectorsc: Eh. Doesn't matter. All not Constitutional. Constitutionality doesn't matter once the state shuts down all sales, we're fucked regardless at that point. |
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Posted: 4/8/2024 10:49:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TrailFork: we're rapidly approaching a time when "recalls" are instantaneous and permanent Aight there big talker...  |
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CO, USA
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Posted: 4/9/2024 6:43:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BullpupFan:Constitutionality doesn't matter once the state shuts down all sales, we're fucked regardless at that point. I know two stores that have basically said if this passes, they're just going to shut down since everything in the AWB is their bread & butter. 
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Posted: 4/9/2024 9:54:40 AM EDT
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I just heard on the radio that the credit card coding is heading to Polis' desk.
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Posted: 4/9/2024 9:56:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By uncle_big_green: I just heard on the radio that the credit card coding is heading to Polis' desk. I really don't even get the purpose of this bill. It only applies to CO right? So like a gun store has to use some code if they sell you something? Like what is the point? |
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Posted: 4/9/2024 10:05:30 AM EDT
[Last Edit: djkest]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Harlikwin: I really don't even get the purpose of this bill. It only applies to CO right? So like a gun store has to use some code if they sell you something? Like what is the point? It punishes legal gun owners without putting a scratch in the crime numbers. I wish they would stop for a second and think about what they are trying to accomplish. Next you will get Chase Bank banning the purchase of firearms or parts. This is all part of their plan to control you and keep you down. They ban the firearms / lowers, then they ban your ability to buy parts. And they are trying to create a registry and to make you purchase liability insurance. |
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Posted: 4/9/2024 10:07:03 AM EDT
[Last Edit: uncle_big_green]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Harlikwin: I really don't even get the purpose of this bill. It only applies to CO right? So like a gun store has to use some code if they sell you something? Like what is the point? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Harlikwin: Originally Posted By uncle_big_green: I just heard on the radio that the credit card coding is heading to Polis' desk. I really don't even get the purpose of this bill. It only applies to CO right? So like a gun store has to use some code if they sell you something? Like what is the point? Maybe this one our "libertarian" governor will veto this trash to show that he's "libertarian."  The point is control and I think this would be another chipping away of privacy. To answer your question, I haven't looked into it. Doesn't the ATF require that out of state fun stores apply the laws to a customer's state of residence? Would that apply to a business that just sells parts? |
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Posted: 4/9/2024 10:24:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Harlikwin: I really don't even get the purpose of this bill. It only applies to CO right? So like a gun store has to use some code if they sell you something? Like what is the point? It goes hand in hand with the other bills being pushed through. Its just a link in the chain to persecute gun owners and bring charges that the state deems worthy. All the evidence they can accumulate or find on someone is one more card to play in a case brought against you from the DA/state. If there are tracking methods with purchase codes for firearms and ammunition, then they don't have to subpoena your computer or phone or email to find receipts. They just call the bank, or credit card company and they are compelled to disclose your purchase of said verboten items. Buy in cash. Better yet, transfer through bitcoin - cash to bitcoin to cash, then buy. |
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Posted: 4/9/2024 10:32:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By uncle_big_green: Maybe this one our "libertarian" governor will veto this trash to show that he's "libertarian." The point is control and I think this would be another chipping away of privacy. To answer your question, I haven't looked into it. Doesn't the ATF require that out of state fun stores apply the laws to a customer's state of residence? Would that apply to a business that just sells parts? Anything firearm related as it reads, so parts/accessories etc. And I think it says physically in Colorado. |
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Posted: 4/9/2024 1:00:44 PM EDT
[Last Edit: uncle_big_green]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Harlikwin: Anything firearm related as it reads, so parts/accessories etc. And I think it says physically in Colorado. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Harlikwin: Originally Posted By uncle_big_green: Maybe this one our "libertarian" governor will veto this trash to show that he's "libertarian." The point is control and I think this would be another chipping away of privacy. To answer your question, I haven't looked into it. Doesn't the ATF require that out of state fun stores apply the laws to a customer's state of residence? Would that apply to a business that just sells parts? Anything firearm related as it reads, so parts/accessories etc. And I think it says physically in Colorado. I wasn't clear. My bad. I meant out of state places that sell parts. I think you answered my question. |
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Posted: 4/9/2024 6:30:52 PM EDT
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USA
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Posted: 4/10/2024 8:51:57 PM EDT
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Scheduled for Friday according to RMGO
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CO, USA
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Posted: 4/10/2024 9:07:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: SSVGroupCoach]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pestilence12: It goes hand in hand with the other bills being pushed through. Its just a link in the chain to persecute gun owners and bring charges that the state deems worthy. All the evidence they can accumulate or find on someone is one more card to play in a case brought against you from the DA/state. If you prosecute enough people you'll get the fence sitters to give up their gun. All the true believers will flee, be prohibited persons/imprisioned or dead. |
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Posted: 4/10/2024 9:23:04 PM EDT
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This state sucks now.
All the rich statist moron democrats moved here and took over. The good people of Colorado didn't fight hard enough. Marijuana enabled this. The whole country will get here, eventually. |
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Posted: 4/10/2024 9:23:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SSVGroupCoach: If you prosecute enough people you'll get the fence sitters to give up their gun. All the true believers will flee, be prohibited persons/imprisioned or dead. Yup. Gotta have a couple of examples to make. Seemingly all of this legislation is targeted at dealers/stores. All it will take is the CBI to do a big televised raid on one or two in the state that "will not comply" and poof. Sudden compliance and/or shuttering of doors. |
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Posted: 4/10/2024 9:24:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By djkest: This state sucks now. All the rich statist moron democrats moved here and took over. The good people of Colorado didn't fight hard enough. Marijuana enabled this. The whole country will get here, eventually. Agreed to an extent, the MJ thing was the beginning of the end. I think what really fucked the state up was A. being first to legalize MJ, and B. Republicans making it the hill to die on. Fighting MJ legalization so hard cost Repubs any real representation in the state from then on. |
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Posted: 4/10/2024 10:07:35 PM EDT
[Last Edit: uncle_big_green]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By djkest: This state sucks now. All the rich statist moron democrats moved here and took over. The good people of Colorado didn't fight hard enough. Marijuana enabled this. The whole country will get here, eventually. More Rs should have supported MJ legalization and made it a bill instead of letting it be a ballot measure. At least a quarter of this state used the Devil's Lettuce on at least an occasional basis and another third didn't care, including many Rs. Do the math. It's statist to want to throw someone in jail for smoking a J. "Blame is better to give than receive" and it's almost always found in the mirror. The Personhood effort and screeching about homos a dozen years ago didn't help, either. Now it's too late for this state. "I told ya so." |
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Posted: 4/10/2024 10:08:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pestilence12: Agreed to an extent, the MJ thing was the beginning of the end. I think what really fucked the state up was A. being first to legalize MJ, and B. Republicans making it the hill to die on. Fighting MJ legalization so hard cost Repubs any real representation in the state from then on. You get it. |
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CO, USA
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Posted: 4/10/2024 11:12:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SullanMarch: Scheduled for Friday according to RMGO
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Posted: 4/10/2024 11:33:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: pestilence12]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By uncle_big_green: You get it. I am not a proponent of drugs. I dislike marijuana and all other drugs, legal or not. I also think that drugs and alcohol are a net "bad thing" for society, and they destroy lives and people's potential. I do think, on a more philosophical level, that it may very well be a job of government to control access to drugs. People tend to not regulate themselves very well when it comes to vices. However, our gov sure seems to have fucked that up pretty good. So IDK, like I said, philosophical musings. That being said. The majority of people wanted marijuana legal in CO. The rest, didn't really care if it was legal or not, and there was a very vocal minority that wanted it illegal still. Unfortunately (or fortunately?), the will of the people came through. The republicans in this state stood their ground, and opposed the movement, diametric to the majority desire. This resulted in an explosive pushback on republicans and we lost representation across the board as D's were voted in en masse. Even as the people were putting it to the ballot and IT PASSED, R's were still screeching about it. They still whine about it today. Well, we can't very well legislate for conservative values when we're eradicated from representation, now, can we? Giving the D's the weed issue and living to fight another day would have been the way. But no. Sacrifice everything, all representation, and go down with the ship. What the fuck kind of plan was that, look where it got us. Now its a D feeding frenzy over the span of a decade, and they not only get weed, but every fuckin single other item they want, carte blanche. And even now, what, 15 fucking years later, the future looks real, real grim for conservative representation in this state. Or at least God damn. This fuckin state. 
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Posted: 4/11/2024 12:07:34 AM EDT
[Last Edit: uncle_big_green]
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You and I disagree, but you still get it in a pragmatic sense. Good on you. I appreciate that.
I generally don't advocate drugs except for maybe caffeine. I'm in the "if it neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg..." and "if I don't have any business doing it, then I don't have any business having the government do it for me" camp. I have the objectively moral high ground. 
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Posted: 4/11/2024 12:13:34 AM EDT
[Last Edit: pestilence12]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By uncle_big_green: You and I disagree, but you still get it in a pragmatic sense. Good on you. I appreciate that. I'm in the "if it neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg..." and "if I don't have any business doing it, then I don't have any business having the government do it for me" camp. I have the objectively moral high ground. I am mushy. On one hand, fuck drugs. On the other, fuck the gov telling people what to do. On the third hand, fuck people for destroying other people's lives with drugs (secondary, tertiary damage). So, I'm mixed on it  Eta - that's not to say I'm gonna go haul off and tell someone to not do drugs. Nonmabiz and all that. I would rather society come together and say "hey, let's do better". And on the fourth hand, fuck the Republicans for sailing us down the river on what could conceivably be the dumbest fucking fight possible. They didn't shoot themselves in the foot, they blew their whole goddamn leg off. |
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Posted: 4/11/2024 12:17:23 PM EDT
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If they vote Friday and it passes, how long until likely implementation? Thanks
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Posted: 4/11/2024 12:27:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BBOHACH: If they vote Friday and it passes, how long until likely implementation? Thanks July 1st. I wouldn't put it past those fuckers to change that to be implemented as soon as Polis pen touches paper though under the "Safety Clause". |
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Posted: 4/11/2024 12:37:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PointBlank82: July 1st. I wouldn't put it past those fuckers to change that to be implemented as soon as Polis pen touches paper though under the "Safety Clause". July 1st is the safety clause. Otherwise it would go into effect with all the other bills, sometime in November I believe. So effectively, as soon as he signs it, it is in effect, and the dates are effective that are baked into the bill, namely July 1st, then August 1st for remaining stock. |
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Posted: 4/11/2024 12:54:33 PM EDT
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By the way, if y'all are trying to stock up before the ban, PSA is selling their stealth (no-logo) lowers at $29 per lower right now.
https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Deal-Alet-Stripped-Lowers-29/5-2718806/ |
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Posted: 4/11/2024 9:14:05 PM EDT
[Last Edit: SullanMarch]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pestilence12: By the way, if y'all are trying to stock up before the ban, PSA is selling their stealth (no-logo) lowers at $29 per lower right now. https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Deal-Alet-Stripped-Lowers-29/5-2718806/ Already OOS, dang. In other news, one of the bills is dead
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CO, USA
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Posted: 4/12/2024 8:10:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SullanMarch: Already OOS, dang. In other news, one of the bills is dead
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Posted: 4/12/2024 9:49:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SullanMarch: Already OOS, dang. In other news, one of the bills is dead
I'll take it. I think that one was probably one of the least impactful, but I'll take it. Today's the day boys. Another round of emails sent...lets see if they pass it through. I'm sure they will...but a boy can dream. |
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Posted: 4/12/2024 12:49:49 PM EDT
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Debate on the bill live now
https://sg001-harmony.sliq.net/00327/Harmony/en/PowerBrowser/PowerBrowserV2/20240412/74/15896 |
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Posted: 4/12/2024 1:43:06 PM EDT
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Hernandez is an annoying, loud mouth punk.
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CO, USA
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Posted: 4/12/2024 1:44:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pestilence12: Debate on the bill live now https://sg001-harmony.sliq.net/00327/Harmony/en/PowerBrowser/PowerBrowserV2/20240412/74/15896 |
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CO, USA
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Posted: 4/12/2024 2:04:35 PM EDT
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Epps is a fucking cunt.
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Posted: 4/12/2024 2:05:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By saigamanTX: Epps is a fucking cunt. I came to say this EXACT fucking thing. What a screeching moron. |
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Posted: 4/12/2024 2:13:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MTNShewter: I came to say this EXACT fucking thing. What a screeching moron. Whatever cunt is talking right now, this screeching Mom-demands-action wench... Its not a toy. Its a RIGHT. What is so difficult to understand about that. What speed you drive your car at is irrelevant. It DOES punish the law-abiding. |
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