Apologies I might be thinking of fpc.

Oh for fucks sake.

Yup. Pretty soon we'll have to start our own Thread of Shame, just like the WA HTF

Wow that's fucked. Nothing has even passed. But I've saved that image so I never buy from that POS.

The dipshit probably got legal advice from GD. Someone thought once it passed in the house, it was immediately law.

I'm not sure if he concern is that some cities banned these or if the state AWB would complicate his paperwork. Regardless, fuck that guy

In other news:  

https://metro.co.uk/2024/04/18/second-civil-war-becoming-increasingly-plausible-insurrections-likely-20671654/

Even a liberal think tank realizes that a US Civil War is likely again.   Do you ever wonder if Weaponized Cat Lady Epps is smart enough to see this and understand her part in it?

Do they not care?  Is it intentional?   My vote is intentional.  Probably through Giffords and Everytown, frankly.   I bet that a whole lot of these folks had to go to a money changer to have their campaign contributions swapped from Yuan to USD.  

I don't think so, at least not how you have it laid out.

A civil war in America would destabilize the entire world. Like it or not, almost every nation has a vested interest in a stable US dollar. If the US screeches to a halt, so does the rest of the world (e.x. COVID lockdowns). Also, how would that even work? You'd have hundreds of fractured groups all opining for something different. This wouldn't be North v. South.

I think there would be efforts to quash any fighting almost instantly. Which would mean brutal, statist responses to uprisings. Military type stuff. And the results won't be pretty.

What I think it is, is more of a bait tactic. I think that political opponents want the other party riled up and arrested/killed. Denounce people via actions caused by the laws being passed (For example, banning guns, then violence, then "oh see!?!? all these gun owners are violent nuts! We were right to ban all guns!"). There is no chance that any kind of "civil war" in America goes hot for very long, if at all. It will be a political civil war. And I hate to say it, but the Democrat/leftist/marxist/socialist party is poised to capitalize on that 100%. Conservatives are too busy arguing if weed should be legal and what is the best way to capitulate to the immigration issue without losing donors.

I am pretty hopeless at this point for any real bright future. It will slide further and further left, towing conservatives behind it. I don't see any real resistance, nor any will or effort to fight back and correct course. America is unrecognizable from 60 years ago. 60 years from now I predict full on Communist party power.

The hippy generation killed America. Everyone was too passive to dismiss it for what it was - a socialist uprising.

I opened the article and I'm confused.  It said "more insurrections."  When was there an insurrection?  I can't think of one since I've been alive.  

You probably aren't wrong.  The best this country can hope for is a divorce, but the control freaks won't leave people who want to be left alone alone.

That's exactly what I think. A stable, controlled, orchestrated divorce that separates states from the Federal government, and forms their own "federal" side of things would be the best result of all of this.

It will never, ever, ever be allowed to happen.

It's working too well for the Socialists right now, "pwning" Repubs left and right on policy after policy. It also gives all the Socialists/Communists a common enemy. Right now its white conservative men. without that, there is no issue to excite their base.

It's insanely messy divorcing two people, with all the finances and interests and whatnot. Imagine divorcing an entire fucking country.

It's just plastic.  My magazines always get worn on the date stamp, it's very strange. Can't explain it.  Looks like it was dremeled off at the factory.

I've said several time that Balkanization is the most likely outcome.

We're already in a COLD civil war tbh.

Agreed 1000%

Placed an order for 600 bucks worth of recievers, lpk's, upk's.

Maybe I'll get some more mags too.

I think you’re right but god this is bleak as fuck, bro

I emailed the members of the Senate today using the copy and paste text from the OP on page one.

I also sent a thank you email to the House Republicans who fought the good fight for us. I think it would be a nice gesture for us to let them know that we appreciate the work they did for us:

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I also sent thank you emails to the House Democrat members who stood against the bill. I think a little appreciation towards them would go a long way. I am hoping that if they receive more positive emails on this issue, they might be more willing to reach across the hall to their colleagues in the Senate and convince them to go against this bill. I also feel that they might be more apt to vote against similar issues in the future. Either way, I figure it couldn't hurt.

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I wish I knew the name of the pastor/preacher republican rep who spoke for probably 45 minutes the afternoon of the house vote.  He was spot on and I loved every minute he was on. If anyone knows who he was please let me know.

The excise tax, dealer requirements, and liability insurance bills all passed the house. The insurance bill was the only one with a significant number of Ds voting against.

Re: the civil war discourse. Things have been so so much worse without civil war breaking out. In the 70s extremist groups were routinely bombing things and murdering cops. Much more political violence than we have now. And yet here we are. Things could always go sideways in a hurry, but I don't think we're that close to a civil war scenario. Closer than 20 years ago, but still not really close.

Though if you ask, "what happened to those extremists?" The answer is: many got cushy jobs in academia. Some did go to prison, but were later pardoned by Democrat presidents. A lot of this, including the insane political violence, is detailed in Days of Rage, which is next in my audiobook queue.

So the  AWB has been refered to the State, Veterans, & Military Affairs committie in the senate. Nothing so far on a date, but they meet Wendsdays, so maybe this week or next.

Its 3-2 D/R

Here are the D(ickheads) to contact. If one of them flips it dies.

[email protected] (Chair)
[email protected] (Big anti-gun dickhead apparently)
[email protected] (maybe the best shot for a flip, but he's a non profit director and sponsored the gun insurance one)

Republicans
[email protected]
[email protected] (aeroE)

I wisely made my panic purchases already, so I am ready to "accept" the BS if it comes down. I am taken care of and so are both of my sons.

I am already getting raped by insurance companies, I would hate to have to pay for liability insurance to cover for other people's nonsense.

Don't accept shit!

That's why we lose!

This was my letter to them. Notice I included points that shoot down the assault weapons don't do any good narrative.

Dear Senators ,

My name Is Chris. I'm a resident of Montrose Colorado and a firm believer that the people of Colorado elect their representatives to the halls of our govt to represent us and to speak up when we don't feel we are being represented. This is one of those times.


One of the representatives who sponsored 1292 said he was someone who as a teen faced the horror of gun violence and school shooting threats.. Well so am I.


I come from the generation that grew up in the shadow of Columbine. Not just in the social culture but seeing how tragedy can be used to oppress an individual mind and letting emotion instead of rationality govern. Targeting the music we listened to . The films we watched. The clothes we wore. Letting fear overrule real solutions. COLUMBINE was an example of the criminal simply ignoring the law. The federal assault weapons ban was in place which many proponents of bans say will reduce crime. These two mentally ill individuals modified weapons illegally and created explosives to inflict as much horror as possible regardless of law.  I was taught gun safety regularly as a child and bought my first rifle at 18.


1292 proponents have said these so called weapons of war have no place on our streets and have no good use. I beg to differ. A 15 year old in Harris County Texas who was at home with his 12 year old sibling when burglars attempted to break into their home. The 15 year old grabbed his father's AR15 and used it to successfully defend their home. His father was a deputy constable.  In other words a father taught his son how to properly handle a weapon which he successfully achieved in fending off people intent to cause harm.


July 7th 2022. Pensacola Florida a home owner used a semi automatic AK47 rifle to successfully defend his home from 3 home invaders. The home owner had a handgun which was wrestled away from him. He fled to the back of his home where he grabbed the rifle and was able to expel the criminals from his home.


These are just two examples of law abiding citizens using these so called evil weapons in a good way to defeat evil and that's what these bills do. They punish the law abiding.


HB24-1292 and bills like it across the country say they will reduce the amount of crime and protect innocent souls.  1292 in particular is so murky in its writing that while it's clear what it bans its not clear on what it doesn't.  It says for example a weapon with a detachable magazine could be considered an assault weapon. Well I carry a Glock 43. A single stack low capacity pistol designed with self defense in mind. Weapons like this could very well be considered assault weapons.  These weapons as I've stated above show they can be and are used for good. Many including myself use these weapons for self defense because the police may not always make it in time to save us. This bill exempts Law Enforcement.  Most of the time we the citizen are the first line of defense and the last line when it comes to crime and often the police get there too late.


I agree that we have a problem with gun violence and violence in general in this country but rather than tackle the root cause we go after a tool instead. I urge you to vote no on this bill and let's come together to find real solutions to these problems.


I urge you to decline this bill.
Thank you for your time.

They have 2 and a half weeks in this session. Keep the pressure up.

They could add it to the docket any of these weeks tho. Probably will be last minute. Or maaaybe they are gonna run out the clock on it (I hope).

The other shit is bad enough tho. Esp the insurance shit.

This insurance one is so insidious it makes me sick.

First, the insurance company needs to know if you have firearms. How are they gonna do that? Come and inspect my home? Get some kind of authority to check purchases?

Second, it gives cops the authority to ask for the insurance at any time. What the fuck is that? Are you fucking kidding me? Do they also get to ask if I have a life policy? Papers please.

Third, the insurance company can either: A. Increase your premium, or B. Waive the premium if you can send pictures of how and where you store your guns. Again, are you fucking kidding me. "ThEy wOnT CoLlEcT SeRiAl nUmBeRs" so fucking what? They can see my safes (plural), my ammo fort, my weapons, etc. Don't need serials at that point. They even know where in my house my safe is, and with alllll my shit, probably totaling over $30k in stuff. Sounds like a thieves wet dream. Do they want pictures of my NFA  stuff too? What if I have "ghost guns" (any fedboi reading this, I don't. All my shits serialized, calm your erection)

Also, if you want a waiver, you can appeal to the court. Lemme guess, cops only, in reality. Or unless you're poor, there's a carveout for that too. And FFL's since they already have all the state-mandated insurance anyways.

God damn. Fuck this miserable state.

Yeah that  one sucks bad too.

And guess what, prime sponsor C. hansen... So unless the chair of the committee for the AWB "flips" we are likely fucked.

Won't a standard Umbrella police work? I carry $1MM for like $275/yr

Does your umbrella cover firearm liability? Like specific coverage in your home that will cover if your gun jumps up and hurts or kills someone or damages property?

If not you'll have to add that.

I just spoke with my State Farm agent and HB24-1270 wasn't even on his radar. He said he would investigate and get back to me.

Cool let us know. I'm not telling anyone shit, it's their job to set it up.

It's probably not on his radar because the bill won't hit active until Jan12025

So I think that insurance and safe storage have been on their agenda since John Morse but he was recalled.

Without revealing any work related stuff, the insurance industry is not particularly happy about this, either. Really, really not happy.  Word is its likely to die in committee.

It barely passed the house too - it was a 4 vote margin, and according to the article I read (in the Coloradan? can't remember), two votes flipped at the last minute to make it that way instead of a tie. If the house barely wants it, I doubt it survives the senate.

I emailed ALL the senators and got back exactly... 1 response from Will Perry (SD 5?)

"I oppose all of these bills and am in agreement with you. Perry"

Same for me.

This thing is a poison pill and very likely to get destroyed in the courts if it does pass.

Perry will, he’s a family friend and a good guy.
Not surprised he’s the only one to respond.

I got a response from Perry Will and Chauncey Johnson, both saying they will vote no on the bill…

I got a weaselly response from my dem rep that in its current state she won't vote for it, but if her "concerns" get addressed then she will. Sounds like she's looking for a payout.

From RMGO's Facebook page.

As of yesterday, 25 April...

1.) HB24-1292 "Assault Weapons" Ban: Passed the House (35-27) and is awaiting a hearing in the Senate State Affairs Committee.
2.) SB24-131 "Church Carry Ban": Passed the Senate (21-14) and is currently sitting on the House Floor awaiting 2nd Reading.
3.) HB24-1348 "Safe Storage in Vehicles": Passed the House (41-22) and the Senate with increased penalties for stolen firearms (21-13). It is now awaiting concurrence from the House.
4.) SB24-066 "Gun Purchase Tracking": Passed both chambers and is currently sitting on the Governor's desk.
5.) SB24-003 "CBI Gestapo": Passed the Senate (21-10) and passed relevant House Committees; currently sitting on the House Floor awaiting 2nd Reading.
6.)HB24-1174 "Live-fire Concealed Carry": Passed the House (43-16) and the Senate (20-14); it is now headed to the Governor's desk.
7.) HB24-1270 "Liability Insurance Mandate": Passed the House (33-29) and the Senate State Affairs Committee (3-2); it is currently sitting on the Senate Floor awaiting 2nd Reading.
8.) HB24-1353 "Gun Shop Extinction": Passed the House (40-21) and is currently in the Senate Finance Committee awaiting a hearing.
9.) HB24-1310 "Disarming School Safety Officers": Died in the House Education Committee.
10.) HB24-1349 "Guns and Ammo Tax": Passed the House (44-18) and is currently in the Senate Finance Committee awaiting a hearing.

How would HB24-1174 affect out of state CCW holders that are legal now?

It doesn't. It only changes the requirements to obtain a Colorado CCW. So long as the out of state CCW has reciprocity with CO, they can't do crap.

INYL

Does the link in the OP open the latest revision? If not, can someone post it?

updated the op with the most current form of the bill.

here is a link for you as well

https://legiscan.com/CO/text/HB1292/id/2980773

Thanks! I see Jerry Miculek will be outlawed for increasing the rate of fire 😢. Shockingly they allow the stasi to possess what we mere mortals cannot - such as rapid fire devices.

Yes. And if you read the preamble to the legislation IN THE BILL, it tells us all that "assault weapons" are hypermasculine and convince people to commit mass shootings. Oh and that they're solely designed for mass shootings, which would be news to the cops and agencies issued AR-15's that are still allowed to buy them, according to this bill.

Just one more sign of the innate dishonesty- if “they” really believed this there would be no LEO exemption…

I mean the fact that garbage is even in there as matter of legal record is insane. Most of it is easily disproven hyperbole.

This  bill would not have prevented columbine, or VA tech, or sandy hook, and prolly a bunch of others. Either because the assholes obtained guns illegally, or they just used handguns, which are in fact used most of the time for shit like this.

But no logic no reason, cuz the point of the bill isn't to prevent any of that, its to fuck over "right wingers"

Again - this is a Communist attack on our nation.  

It's important not to interpret the actors involved as innocent/ignorant but well meaning.   They are not well meaning, it's not in any way about protecting anyone or stopping anyone from committing heinous acts.  Anyone but them that is.