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Posted: 12/21/2022 9:38:26 PM EDT
Just another fad or here to stay?
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Posted: 12/21/2022 10:43:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rudukai13: @45-Seventy https://media.tenor.com/BoCxsuQsfn0AAAAM/you-gotta-come-see-this-randy-marsh.gif Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rudukai13: Originally Posted By DonkeyHotay: Originally Posted By macman37: Originally Posted By DonkeyHotay: Originally Posted By DVCER: When your whiz bang dot fails, so will you. It’s a pistol for gods sake. ^^^This, all day long and twice on Sundays^^^ OH NOOOOO no such thing as BUIS.  Add about 3 seconds (too long) to clean the glass in between. https://tinypic.host/images/2022/12/22/pistol_RDS_dirty.jpg @45-Seventy https://media.tenor.com/BoCxsuQsfn0AAAAM/you-gotta-come-see-this-randy-marsh.gif 
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Posted: 12/21/2022 10:48:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Redbirdxx: Fire that gun once and 90% of that shit is gone. What if that remaining 10% happens to be centered the vertex of the reticle? |
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Posted: 12/21/2022 10:48:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonkeyHotay: Iron sights require no backup. And I like less shit to break on something I trust my life with on the daily. But that's just me. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonkeyHotay: Originally Posted By 45-Seventy: BUIS are things which exist. They’re not mythical or anything. Iron sights require no backup. And I like less shit to break on something I trust my life with on the daily. But that's just me. Then you better stop carrying pistols. 
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Posted: 12/21/2022 10:49:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonkeyHotay: Iron sights require no backup. And I like less shit to break on something I trust my life with on the daily. But that's just me. The irons on my Production gun failed not too long ago. Shoot enough and you’ll see lots of irons fail.  Attached File |
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Posted: 12/21/2022 10:51:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonkeyHotay: Add about 3 seconds (too long) to clean the glass in between. https://tinypic.host/images/2022/12/22/pistol_RDS_dirty.jpg Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonkeyHotay: Originally Posted By macman37: Originally Posted By DonkeyHotay: Originally Posted By DVCER: When your whiz bang dot fails, so will you. It’s a pistol for gods sake. ^^^This, all day long and twice on Sundays^^^ OH NOOOOO no such thing as BUIS. Add about 3 seconds (too long) to clean the glass in between. https://tinypic.host/images/2022/12/22/pistol_RDS_dirty.jpg Rear sights get plugged too, now what? If you’re in that much shit (hand to hand with a bad guy) you point/contact shoot him down, clean the lens off and keep on keeping on. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 12/21/2022 10:51:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By macman37: C’mon man. We already do this daily, now we have to do it hourly? Guess the red dot touched OP in his no no zone. |
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Posted: 12/21/2022 10:52:04 PM EDT
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I actually had my irons fail this past week shooting, filed too much of the dove tail off the rear sight. My RMRCC was working perfecting tho.
Installed new irons and properly fitted them a few days ago. I have also seen front sights on Glocks fly off |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 12/21/2022 10:52:30 PM EDT
[#8]
100% a fad.
Just like red dots on carbines. 
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Posted: 12/21/2022 10:53:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonkeyHotay: What if that remaining 10% happens to be centered the vertex of the reticle? Is it also blocking the irons? I'm sure you'll say yes, so screw it, I'll just use the window as a big ass ghost ring. Are there ways they can fail? Yep. Same with irons. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 12/21/2022 10:53:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonkeyHotay: Iron sights require no backup. And I like less shit to break on something I trust my life with on the daily. But that's just me. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonkeyHotay: Originally Posted By 45-Seventy: BUIS are things which exist. They’re not mythical or anything. Iron sights require no backup. And I like less shit to break on something I trust my life with on the daily. But that's just me. @DonkeyHotay What happens when the iron sight falls off? |
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Posted: 12/21/2022 10:54:52 PM EDT
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The guys in this thread saying it’s a fad are probably the same guys who thought cell phones were a fad in the 90s
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 12/21/2022 10:55:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonkeyHotay: What if that remaining 10% happens to be centered the vertex of the reticle? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonkeyHotay: Originally Posted By Redbirdxx: Fire that gun once and 90% of that shit is gone. What if that remaining 10% happens to be centered the vertex of the reticle? You still see the dot, but if you trained you would know this. |
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Posted: 12/21/2022 10:57:03 PM EDT
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Iron sights rule
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Posted: 12/21/2022 10:58:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 45-Seventy: The irons on my Production gun failed not too long ago. Shoot enough and you’ll see lots of irons fail. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/241349/1E421C43-BDA9-497E-8AF6-1C828FD045F3_jpe-2643987.JPG Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 45-Seventy: Originally Posted By DonkeyHotay: Iron sights require no backup. And I like less shit to break on something I trust my life with on the daily. But that's just me. The irons on my Production gun failed not too long ago. Shoot enough and you’ll see lots of irons fail. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/241349/1E421C43-BDA9-497E-8AF6-1C828FD045F3_jpe-2643987.JPG Drop your red dot-er once and you might end up with this:  Just sayin'..... |
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Posted: 12/21/2022 10:59:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonkeyHotay: Add about 3 seconds (too long) to clean the glass in between. https://tinypic.host/images/2022/12/22/pistol_RDS_dirty.jpg This same argument could be made against rifle optics. However, the United States Military has been heavily engaged in infantry centric warfare throughout the third world for about two decades using rifles almost entirely equipped with optics and this hasn’t been a concern. Why? |
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Posted: 12/21/2022 11:00:54 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 45-Seventy]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonkeyHotay: Drop your red dot-er once and you might end up with this: https://tinypic.host/images/2022/12/22/busted-red-fot.jpg Just sayin'..... Two things: 1) I can still be effective with that. Dot is visible. BUIS are visible. 2) Don’t buy a meme-grade optic so it doesn’t do that. |
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Posted: 12/21/2022 11:01:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sierra-def: @DonkeyHotay What happens when the iron sight falls off? The same thing that happens when a 747 crashes through the roof. Duh. |
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Posted: 12/21/2022 11:02:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BuckeyeRifleman: The guys in this thread saying it’s a fad are probably the same guys who thought cell phones were a fad in the 90s pffft, the Internet is a fad. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 12/21/2022 11:02:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonkeyHotay: Drop your red dot-er once and you might end up with this: https://tinypic.host/images/2022/12/22/busted-red-fot.jpg Just sayin'..... Wierd, you can still see the dot. 
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Posted: 12/21/2022 11:02:22 PM EDT
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Serious question, any adapter plates available that I can mount one of those Vortex UH-1s to my Sig P365XL?
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 12/21/2022 11:03:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonkeyHotay: The same thing that happens when a 747 crashes through the roof. Duh. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonkeyHotay: Originally Posted By sierra-def: @DonkeyHotay What happens when the iron sight falls off? The same thing that happens when a 747 crashes through the roof. Duh. You should train more and post less. |
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Posted: 12/21/2022 11:04:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rudukai13: I fucking hate this place 
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Posted: 12/21/2022 11:04:57 PM EDT
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Why do some folks get so angry over this? Just shoot pistols like you prefer to shoot em. Are we not adults? It's not middle school anymore, where you have to be concerned about whether folks in the cafeteria or gym class will think you are cool.
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Posted: 12/21/2022 11:04:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonkeyHotay: The same thing that happens when a 747 crashes through the roof. Duh. Irons failures are far more common. |
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Posted: 12/21/2022 11:05:28 PM EDT
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At this rate we're going to need a sub forum.
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Posted: 12/21/2022 11:05:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DVCER: When your whiz bang dot fails, so will you. It’s a pistol for gods sake. *God's |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 12/21/2022 11:06:20 PM EDT
[Last Edit: deanwormer]
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Remember when half of arfcom believed in .40 and 9mm was a pussy round
Remember when most of arfcom predicted the 19x would fail to sell, or that the 42 was stupid and the R51 was the pistol to go with (released at the same time) This place isnt really good at predicting firearms trends. It could be a massive fad/boutique thing (like .40) or it could be here to stay and morph into various subforms and camps (like optics on rifles) I'd like to think we are still in the "development" phase and we could see in the future: 1) pistol dots that better integrate into the slide, or non-reciprocating slides, or at least a single mounting system (right now this whole jumbled propietary plate/mounting standards is a bit annoying. Plates suck. 2) more recticle innvoation, the ACSS Vulcan proved you can really enhance recticle choice beyond just a dot. 3) closed emitter, but without the massive mailbox form factor (maybe holo) 4) mounting more in-line with sights, right now we are in the "carry handle" phase where we dont have a uniform mounting standard (like flatop pic rail) and are just bolting on to exsiting uppers (slides) w/o regard to optimal Sight Height 5) better development of fiber/recharge/solar/battery backup (and jesus some more damn innovation from not-china) 6) QD, to get the thing off if it shatters/clogs and irons can be used quickly and unobstructed. 7) maybe integrated-into-slide popup/popdown... fixes potential holster issues 8) better auto brightness adjust, (looking ahead), maybe it can detect when WML is activated and adjust brightness up accordingly (like some car radios do when you go faster) |
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Posted: 12/21/2022 11:06:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DVCER: When your whiz bang dot fails, so will you. It’s a pistol for gods sake.  Attached File |
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Posted: 12/21/2022 11:06:58 PM EDT
[#29]
Here to stay
Haters lack skill or training or they haven’t embraced the future which is now old man Though a lot of older guys are embracing the dot as their eyesight fails |
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Posted: 12/21/2022 11:07:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonkeyHotay: Drop your red dot-er once and you might end up with this: https://tinypic.host/images/2022/12/22/busted-red-fot.jpg Just sayin'..... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonkeyHotay: Originally Posted By 45-Seventy: Originally Posted By DonkeyHotay: Iron sights require no backup. And I like less shit to break on something I trust my life with on the daily. But that's just me. The irons on my Production gun failed not too long ago. Shoot enough and you’ll see lots of irons fail. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/241349/1E421C43-BDA9-497E-8AF6-1C828FD045F3_jpe-2643987.JPG Drop your red dot-er once and you might end up with this: https://tinypic.host/images/2022/12/22/busted-red-fot.jpg Just sayin'..... Buy Trijicon RMR/RMRCC or Aimpoint and don’t have that problem |
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Posted: 12/21/2022 11:07:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonkeyHotay: Drop your red dot-er once and you might end up with this: https://tinypic.host/images/2022/12/22/busted-red-fot.jpg Just sayin'..... Drop your rifle and the same thing could happen. Just sayin’ |
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Posted: 12/21/2022 11:09:01 PM EDT
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I like RDS and that is what I carry.
But what others do doesn't matter... 87% of them are willing to vacation where they can't carry anyway. A bunch of others have psychic ability and only carry when they "feel the need". |
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TN, USA
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Posted: 12/21/2022 11:09:24 PM EDT
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Lets dig up a beat this dead horse some more. 
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Posted: 12/21/2022 11:10:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lexustech48: Serious question, any adapter plates available that I can mount one of those Vortex UH-1s to my Sig P365XL? Your post made my soul hurt. |
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Posted: 12/21/2022 11:10:37 PM EDT
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Im a firm believer that all pistols should have not just one, but two MRO's on em.
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Posted: 12/21/2022 11:10:39 PM EDT
[Last Edit: KTM300XCW]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lexustech48: Serious question, any adapter plates available that I can mount one of those Vortex UH-1s to my Sig P365XL?  Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 12/21/2022 11:10:51 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/21/2022 11:11:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonkeyHotay: Drop your red dot-er once and you might end up with this: https://tinypic.host/images/2022/12/22/busted-red-fot.jpg Just sayin'..... It's not a Trijicon, just sayin'. |
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Posted: 12/21/2022 11:11:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonkeyHotay: Drop your red dot-er once and you might end up with this: https://tinypic.host/images/2022/12/22/busted-red-fot.jpg Just sayin'..... Wait that’s a P320…I thought you owned the Glock you posted on the first page? What RDS-equipped pistol(s) do you actually own and have experience using? |
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Posted: 12/21/2022 11:12:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By deanwormer: Remember when half of arfcom believed in .40 and 9mm was a pussy round Remember when most of arfcom predicted the 19x would fail to sell, or that the 42 was stupid and the R51 was the pistol to go with (released at the same time) This place isnt really good at predicting firearms trends. It could be a massive fad/boutique thing (like .40) or it could be here to stay and morph into various subforms and camps (like optics on rifles) I'd like to think we are still in the "development" phase and we could see in the future: 1) pistol dots that better integrate into the slide, or non-reciprocating slides, or at least a single mounting system (right now this whole jumbled propietary plate/mounting standards is a bit annoying. Plates suck. 2) more recticle innvoation, the ACSS Vulcan proved you can really enhance recticle choice beyond just a dot. 3) closed emitter, but without the massive mailbox form factor (maybe holo) 4) mounting more in-line with sights, right now we are in the "carry handle" phase where we dont have a uniform mounting standard (like flatop pic rail) and are just bolting on to exsiting uppers (slides) w/o regard to optimal Sight Height 5) better development of fiber/recharge/solar/battery backup (and jesus some more damn innovation from not-china) 6) QD, to get the thing off if it shatters/clogs and irons can be used quickly and unobstructed. 7) maybe integrated-into-slide popup/popdown... fixes potential holster issues 8) better auto brightness adjust, (looking ahead), maybe it can detect when WML is activated and adjust brightness up accordingly (like some car radios do when you go faster) What if I told you a lot of that has already happened or is happening? |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 12/21/2022 11:13:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CDW4ME: 87% of them are willing to vacation where they can't carry anyway. A bunch of others have psychic ability and only carry when they "feel the need". Haha yeah, I suspect 90% of posters only "weekend carry" at best (most of us got no-carry jobs, either of the fired or arrested if caught variety). (ps this has got to be the best thing about Working at Home... get to carry everyday without worried about getting fired) I just seriously doubt people carry fully loaded stacattos with dots and reloads in appendix every day day in and day out. Something something 365-in-your-pocket something something the .45 you left at home. |
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Posted: 12/21/2022 11:13:53 PM EDT
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This past week I wore my g17 with RMR in a Trex arms ragnarok (which is a holster where the optic is completely exposed to the elements) all day every day.
I cut down trees, dug ditches with shovels and pickaxes, and did some shooting in mist and rain all with the gun on my belt. Both days after the ditch digging I was able to run my fingers through my hair and dirt would fall out all over. In all of these activities with an exposed muh open emitter optic there was only a few times (4-6) where debris found it’s way into the optic. All of these times I drew the gun and the debris fell to the bottom and the dot was still able to be acquired, a simple blow and it went out. With the mist and rain the dot was still visible 100% of the time and with both eyes open presented no issue. But a simple wipe with my finger would remove the large droplets. The muh open emitter meme is overstated. For a conceal carry gun where the optic is protected by clothing or for a gun where the optic is shrouded… I don’t think it really matters. But if you’re worried get a Aimpoint Acro or something |
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Posted: 12/21/2022 11:14:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PraesidiumFabrica: Here to stay Haters lack skill or training or they haven’t embraced the future which is now old man Though a lot of older guys are embracing the dot as their eyesight fails My eyes can still pick up irons fast… but I see the writing on the wall and have seen guys in my age bracket at training classes either praising their red dots for helping them get good hits, or planning on getting their slides cut for a red dot going forward. I’ve got a couple RDS pistols and am working on getting better with them. |
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Posted: 12/21/2022 11:14:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 45-Seventy: This same argument could be made against rifle optics. However, the United States Military has been heavily engaged in infantry centric warfare throughout the third world for about two decades using rifles almost entirely equipped with optics and this hasn’t been a concern. Why? Apples and cinderblocks comparison, as long guns ≠ pistols. Here's the US Military's latest combat pistol:  Kinda tells you all you need to know. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 12/21/2022 11:15:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Redbirdxx: What if I told you a lot of that has already happened or is happening? I hope so, I'm all about innovation, but irons-only pistols are absolutely not going away anytime soon (maybe they will in 10 years, but for now theres definetely use cases for irons-only-pistols) Incidentally, I shoot both and enjoy both for varying different tasks. |
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Posted: 12/21/2022 11:15:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonkeyHotay: Apples and cinderblocks comparison, as long guns ≠ pistols. Here's the US Military's latest combat pistol: https://tinypic.host/images/2022/12/22/xm17.jpg Kinda tells you all you need to know. What is that black bit on top of the slide and in front of the rear sights lol |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 12/21/2022 11:16:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonkeyHotay: Apples and cinderblocks comparison, as long guns ≠ pistols. Here's the US Military's latest combat pistol: https://tinypic.host/images/2022/12/22/xm17.jpg Kinda tells you all you need to know. They pick shitty pistols and add safeties because they dont want cooks blowing a hole in their leg? |
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Posted: 12/21/2022 11:16:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PraesidiumFabrica: This past week I wore my g17 with RMR in a Trex arms ragnarok (which is a holster where the optic is completely exposed to the elements) all day every day. I cut down trees, dug ditches with shovels and pickaxes, and did some shooting in mist and rain all with the gun on my belt. Both days after the ditch digging I was able to run my fingers through my hair and dirt would fall out all over. In all of these activities with an exposed muh open emitter optic there was only a few times (4-6) where debris found it’s way into the optic. All of these times I drew the gun and the debris fell to the bottom and the dot was still able to be acquired, a simple blow and it went out. With the mist and rain the dot was still visible 100% of the time and with both eyes open presented no issue. But a simple wipe with my finger would remove the large droplets. The muh open emitter meme is overstated. For a conceal carry gun where the optic is protected by clothing or for a gun where the optic is shrouded… I don’t think it really matters. But if you’re worried get a Aimpoint Acro or something You are absolutely correct! As always buy Trijicon or Aimpoint for your pistol RDS needs |
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Posted: 12/21/2022 11:17:35 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/21/2022 11:18:46 PM EDT
[Last Edit: KTM300XCW]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonkeyHotay: Apples and cinderblocks comparison, as long guns ≠ pistols. Here's the US Military's latest combat pistol: https://tinypic.host/images/2022/12/22/xm17.jpg Kinda tells you all you need to know. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonkeyHotay: Originally Posted By 45-Seventy: This same argument could be made against rifle optics. However, the United States Military has been heavily engaged in infantry centric warfare throughout the third world for about two decades using rifles almost entirely equipped with optics and this hasn’t been a concern. Why? Apples and cinderblocks comparison, as long guns ≠ pistols. Here's the US Military's latest combat pistol: https://tinypic.host/images/2022/12/22/xm17.jpg Kinda tells you all you need to know. Sure does. The military doesn't know what it's doing. It should have been a Glock with RMR.  Attached File |
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