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Posted: 12/21/2022 9:38:26 PM EDT
Just another fad or here to stay?
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Originally Posted By Rudukai13: @45-Seventy https://media.tenor.com/BoCxsuQsfn0AAAAM/you-gotta-come-see-this-randy-marsh.gif View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Rudukai13: Originally Posted By DonkeyHotay: Originally Posted By macman37: Originally Posted By DonkeyHotay: Originally Posted By DVCER: When your whiz bang dot fails, so will you. It’s a pistol for gods sake. ^^^This, all day long and twice on Sundays^^^ OH NOOOOO no such thing as BUIS. Add about 3 seconds (too long) to clean the glass in between. https://tinypic.host/images/2022/12/22/pistol_RDS_dirty.jpg @45-Seventy https://media.tenor.com/BoCxsuQsfn0AAAAM/you-gotta-come-see-this-randy-marsh.gif |
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Illigitimus Non Carborundum
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Originally Posted By DonkeyHotay: Iron sights require no backup. And I like less shit to break on something I trust my life with on the daily. But that's just me. View Quote The irons on my Production gun failed not too long ago. Shoot enough and you’ll see lots of irons fail. Attached File |
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Point shooting will give you monkeypox. - John_Wayne777
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Originally Posted By DonkeyHotay: Add about 3 seconds (too long) to clean the glass in between. https://tinypic.host/images/2022/12/22/pistol_RDS_dirty.jpg View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By DonkeyHotay: Originally Posted By macman37: Originally Posted By DonkeyHotay: Originally Posted By DVCER: When your whiz bang dot fails, so will you. It’s a pistol for gods sake. ^^^This, all day long and twice on Sundays^^^ OH NOOOOO no such thing as BUIS. Add about 3 seconds (too long) to clean the glass in between. https://tinypic.host/images/2022/12/22/pistol_RDS_dirty.jpg Rear sights get plugged too, now what? If you’re in that much shit (hand to hand with a bad guy) you point/contact shoot him down, clean the lens off and keep on keeping on. |
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Let's Go Red Wings!
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I actually had my irons fail this past week shooting, filed too much of the dove tail off the rear sight. My RMRCC was working perfecting tho.
Installed new irons and properly fitted them a few days ago. I have also seen front sights on Glocks fly off |
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An Assisting Hand
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100% a fad.
Just like red dots on carbines. |
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Originally Posted By DonkeyHotay: What if that remaining 10% happens to be centered the vertex of the reticle? View Quote Is it also blocking the irons? I'm sure you'll say yes, so screw it, I'll just use the window as a big ass ghost ring. Are there ways they can fail? Yep. Same with irons. |
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Originally Posted By DonkeyHotay: Iron sights require no backup. And I like less shit to break on something I trust my life with on the daily. But that's just me. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By DonkeyHotay: Originally Posted By 45-Seventy: BUIS are things which exist. They’re not mythical or anything. Iron sights require no backup. And I like less shit to break on something I trust my life with on the daily. But that's just me. @DonkeyHotay What happens when the iron sight falls off? |
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The guys in this thread saying it’s a fad are probably the same guys who thought cell phones were a fad in the 90s
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Originally Posted By DonkeyHotay: What if that remaining 10% happens to be centered the vertex of the reticle? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By DonkeyHotay: Originally Posted By Redbirdxx: Fire that gun once and 90% of that shit is gone. What if that remaining 10% happens to be centered the vertex of the reticle? You still see the dot, but if you trained you would know this. |
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Iron sights rule
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He took whatever he wanted to and he laid it all to waste. But his bodyguards and silver cane were no match for the Jack of Hearts. Bob Dylan
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Originally Posted By 45-Seventy: The irons on my Production gun failed not too long ago. Shoot enough and you’ll see lots of irons fail. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/241349/1E421C43-BDA9-497E-8AF6-1C828FD045F3_jpe-2643987.JPG View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By 45-Seventy: Originally Posted By DonkeyHotay: Iron sights require no backup. And I like less shit to break on something I trust my life with on the daily. But that's just me. The irons on my Production gun failed not too long ago. Shoot enough and you’ll see lots of irons fail. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/241349/1E421C43-BDA9-497E-8AF6-1C828FD045F3_jpe-2643987.JPG Drop your red dot-er once and you might end up with this: Just sayin'..... |
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Illigitimus Non Carborundum
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Originally Posted By DonkeyHotay: Add about 3 seconds (too long) to clean the glass in between. https://tinypic.host/images/2022/12/22/pistol_RDS_dirty.jpg View Quote This same argument could be made against rifle optics. However, the United States Military has been heavily engaged in infantry centric warfare throughout the third world for about two decades using rifles almost entirely equipped with optics and this hasn’t been a concern. Why? |
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Point shooting will give you monkeypox. - John_Wayne777
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Originally Posted By DonkeyHotay: Drop your red dot-er once and you might end up with this: https://tinypic.host/images/2022/12/22/busted-red-fot.jpg Just sayin'..... View Quote Two things: 1) I can still be effective with that. Dot is visible. BUIS are visible. 2) Don’t buy a meme-grade optic so it doesn’t do that. |
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Point shooting will give you monkeypox. - John_Wayne777
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Illigitimus Non Carborundum
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Let's Go Red Wings!
Beautifying the world one logo at a time since 1993. Soli Deo Gloria |
Originally Posted By DonkeyHotay: Drop your red dot-er once and you might end up with this: https://tinypic.host/images/2022/12/22/busted-red-fot.jpg Just sayin'..... View Quote Wierd, you can still see the dot. |
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Serious question, any adapter plates available that I can mount one of those Vortex UH-1s to my Sig P365XL?
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Originally Posted By DonkeyHotay: The same thing that happens when a 747 crashes through the roof. Duh. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By DonkeyHotay: Originally Posted By sierra-def: @DonkeyHotay What happens when the iron sight falls off? The same thing that happens when a 747 crashes through the roof. Duh. You should train more and post less. |
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Shooting things from far away....ish.
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Why do some folks get so angry over this? Just shoot pistols like you prefer to shoot em. Are we not adults? It's not middle school anymore, where you have to be concerned about whether folks in the cafeteria or gym class will think you are cool.
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Point shooting will give you monkeypox. - John_Wayne777
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At this rate we're going to need a sub forum.
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Those that can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.
No man survives when freedom fails, the best men rot in filthy jails, And those who cry 'appease, appease' Are hanged by those they tried to please. |
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Remember when half of arfcom believed in .40 and 9mm was a pussy round
Remember when most of arfcom predicted the 19x would fail to sell, or that the 42 was stupid and the R51 was the pistol to go with (released at the same time) This place isnt really good at predicting firearms trends. It could be a massive fad/boutique thing (like .40) or it could be here to stay and morph into various subforms and camps (like optics on rifles) I'd like to think we are still in the "development" phase and we could see in the future: 1) pistol dots that better integrate into the slide, or non-reciprocating slides, or at least a single mounting system (right now this whole jumbled propietary plate/mounting standards is a bit annoying. Plates suck. 2) more recticle innvoation, the ACSS Vulcan proved you can really enhance recticle choice beyond just a dot. 3) closed emitter, but without the massive mailbox form factor (maybe holo) 4) mounting more in-line with sights, right now we are in the "carry handle" phase where we dont have a uniform mounting standard (like flatop pic rail) and are just bolting on to exsiting uppers (slides) w/o regard to optimal Sight Height 5) better development of fiber/recharge/solar/battery backup (and jesus some more damn innovation from not-china) 6) QD, to get the thing off if it shatters/clogs and irons can be used quickly and unobstructed. 7) maybe integrated-into-slide popup/popdown... fixes potential holster issues 8) better auto brightness adjust, (looking ahead), maybe it can detect when WML is activated and adjust brightness up accordingly (like some car radios do when you go faster) |
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Originally Posted By DVCER: When your whiz bang dot fails, so will you. It’s a pistol for gods sake. View Quote Attached File |
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Those that can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.
No man survives when freedom fails, the best men rot in filthy jails, And those who cry 'appease, appease' Are hanged by those they tried to please. |
Here to stay
Haters lack skill or training or they haven’t embraced the future which is now old man Though a lot of older guys are embracing the dot as their eyesight fails |
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"A dead thing can go with the stream. Only a living thing can go against it." - GK Chesterton
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Originally Posted By DonkeyHotay: Drop your red dot-er once and you might end up with this: https://tinypic.host/images/2022/12/22/busted-red-fot.jpg Just sayin'..... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By DonkeyHotay: Originally Posted By 45-Seventy: Originally Posted By DonkeyHotay: Iron sights require no backup. And I like less shit to break on something I trust my life with on the daily. But that's just me. The irons on my Production gun failed not too long ago. Shoot enough and you’ll see lots of irons fail. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/241349/1E421C43-BDA9-497E-8AF6-1C828FD045F3_jpe-2643987.JPG Drop your red dot-er once and you might end up with this: https://tinypic.host/images/2022/12/22/busted-red-fot.jpg Just sayin'..... Buy Trijicon RMR/RMRCC or Aimpoint and don’t have that problem |
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An Assisting Hand
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Originally Posted By DonkeyHotay: Drop your red dot-er once and you might end up with this: https://tinypic.host/images/2022/12/22/busted-red-fot.jpg Just sayin'..... View Quote Drop your rifle and the same thing could happen. Just sayin’ |
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I like RDS and that is what I carry.
But what others do doesn't matter... 87% of them are willing to vacation where they can't carry anyway. A bunch of others have psychic ability and only carry when they "feel the need". |
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It's okay if you disagree with me; I can't force you to be right.
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Lets dig up a beat this dead horse some more. |
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Let's Go Red Wings!
Beautifying the world one logo at a time since 1993. Soli Deo Gloria |
Im a firm believer that all pistols should have not just one, but two MRO's on em.
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Dont call it a comeback, Been here for years.
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Originally Posted By Lexustech48: Serious question, any adapter plates available that I can mount one of those Vortex UH-1s to my Sig P365XL? View Quote Attached File Attached File |
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Those that can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.
No man survives when freedom fails, the best men rot in filthy jails, And those who cry 'appease, appease' Are hanged by those they tried to please. |
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Shoot, Move, and Communicate
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Originally Posted By DonkeyHotay: Drop your red dot-er once and you might end up with this: https://tinypic.host/images/2022/12/22/busted-red-fot.jpg Just sayin'..... View Quote It's not a Trijicon, just sayin'. |
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Originally Posted By DonkeyHotay: Drop your red dot-er once and you might end up with this: https://tinypic.host/images/2022/12/22/busted-red-fot.jpg Just sayin'..... View Quote Wait that’s a P320…I thought you owned the Glock you posted on the first page? What RDS-equipped pistol(s) do you actually own and have experience using? |
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Originally Posted By deanwormer: Remember when half of arfcom believed in .40 and 9mm was a pussy round Remember when most of arfcom predicted the 19x would fail to sell, or that the 42 was stupid and the R51 was the pistol to go with (released at the same time) This place isnt really good at predicting firearms trends. It could be a massive fad/boutique thing (like .40) or it could be here to stay and morph into various subforms and camps (like optics on rifles) I'd like to think we are still in the "development" phase and we could see in the future: 1) pistol dots that better integrate into the slide, or non-reciprocating slides, or at least a single mounting system (right now this whole jumbled propietary plate/mounting standards is a bit annoying. Plates suck. 2) more recticle innvoation, the ACSS Vulcan proved you can really enhance recticle choice beyond just a dot. 3) closed emitter, but without the massive mailbox form factor (maybe holo) 4) mounting more in-line with sights, right now we are in the "carry handle" phase where we dont have a uniform mounting standard (like flatop pic rail) and are just bolting on to exsiting uppers (slides) w/o regard to optimal Sight Height 5) better development of fiber/recharge/solar/battery backup (and jesus some more damn innovation from not-china) 6) QD, to get the thing off if it shatters/clogs and irons can be used quickly and unobstructed. 7) maybe integrated-into-slide popup/popdown... fixes potential holster issues 8) better auto brightness adjust, (looking ahead), maybe it can detect when WML is activated and adjust brightness up accordingly (like some car radios do when you go faster) View Quote What if I told you a lot of that has already happened or is happening? |
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Originally Posted By CDW4ME: 87% of them are willing to vacation where they can't carry anyway. A bunch of others have psychic ability and only carry when they "feel the need". View Quote Haha yeah, I suspect 90% of posters only "weekend carry" at best (most of us got no-carry jobs, either of the fired or arrested if caught variety). (ps this has got to be the best thing about Working at Home... get to carry everyday without worried about getting fired) I just seriously doubt people carry fully loaded stacattos with dots and reloads in appendix every day day in and day out. Something something 365-in-your-pocket something something the .45 you left at home. |
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This past week I wore my g17 with RMR in a Trex arms ragnarok (which is a holster where the optic is completely exposed to the elements) all day every day.
I cut down trees, dug ditches with shovels and pickaxes, and did some shooting in mist and rain all with the gun on my belt. Both days after the ditch digging I was able to run my fingers through my hair and dirt would fall out all over. In all of these activities with an exposed muh open emitter optic there was only a few times (4-6) where debris found it’s way into the optic. All of these times I drew the gun and the debris fell to the bottom and the dot was still able to be acquired, a simple blow and it went out. With the mist and rain the dot was still visible 100% of the time and with both eyes open presented no issue. But a simple wipe with my finger would remove the large droplets. The muh open emitter meme is overstated. For a conceal carry gun where the optic is protected by clothing or for a gun where the optic is shrouded… I don’t think it really matters. But if you’re worried get a Aimpoint Acro or something |
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"A dead thing can go with the stream. Only a living thing can go against it." - GK Chesterton
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Originally Posted By PraesidiumFabrica: Here to stay Haters lack skill or training or they haven’t embraced the future which is now old man Though a lot of older guys are embracing the dot as their eyesight fails View Quote My eyes can still pick up irons fast… but I see the writing on the wall and have seen guys in my age bracket at training classes either praising their red dots for helping them get good hits, or planning on getting their slides cut for a red dot going forward. I’ve got a couple RDS pistols and am working on getting better with them. |
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Let's Go Red Wings!
Beautifying the world one logo at a time since 1993. Soli Deo Gloria |
Originally Posted By Redbirdxx: What if I told you a lot of that has already happened or is happening? View Quote I hope so, I'm all about innovation, but irons-only pistols are absolutely not going away anytime soon (maybe they will in 10 years, but for now theres definetely use cases for irons-only-pistols) Incidentally, I shoot both and enjoy both for varying different tasks. |
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Originally Posted By DonkeyHotay: Apples and cinderblocks comparison, as long guns ≠ pistols. Here's the US Military's latest combat pistol: https://tinypic.host/images/2022/12/22/xm17.jpg Kinda tells you all you need to know. View Quote What is that black bit on top of the slide and in front of the rear sights lol |
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"A dead thing can go with the stream. Only a living thing can go against it." - GK Chesterton
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Originally Posted By DonkeyHotay: Apples and cinderblocks comparison, as long guns ≠ pistols. Here's the US Military's latest combat pistol: https://tinypic.host/images/2022/12/22/xm17.jpg Kinda tells you all you need to know. View Quote They pick shitty pistols and add safeties because they dont want cooks blowing a hole in their leg? |
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Originally Posted By PraesidiumFabrica: This past week I wore my g17 with RMR in a Trex arms ragnarok (which is a holster where the optic is completely exposed to the elements) all day every day. I cut down trees, dug ditches with shovels and pickaxes, and did some shooting in mist and rain all with the gun on my belt. Both days after the ditch digging I was able to run my fingers through my hair and dirt would fall out all over. In all of these activities with an exposed muh open emitter optic there was only a few times (4-6) where debris found it’s way into the optic. All of these times I drew the gun and the debris fell to the bottom and the dot was still able to be acquired, a simple blow and it went out. With the mist and rain the dot was still visible 100% of the time and with both eyes open presented no issue. But a simple wipe with my finger would remove the large droplets. The muh open emitter meme is overstated. For a conceal carry gun where the optic is protected by clothing or for a gun where the optic is shrouded… I don’t think it really matters. But if you’re worried get a Aimpoint Acro or something View Quote You are absolutely correct! As always buy Trijicon or Aimpoint for your pistol RDS needs |
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An Assisting Hand
Glock Certified Armorer |
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I carry with a round chambered because I don't want to spend the rest of my life racking the slide.
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Originally Posted By DonkeyHotay: Apples and cinderblocks comparison, as long guns ≠ pistols. Here's the US Military's latest combat pistol: https://tinypic.host/images/2022/12/22/xm17.jpg Kinda tells you all you need to know. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By DonkeyHotay: Originally Posted By 45-Seventy: This same argument could be made against rifle optics. However, the United States Military has been heavily engaged in infantry centric warfare throughout the third world for about two decades using rifles almost entirely equipped with optics and this hasn’t been a concern. Why? Apples and cinderblocks comparison, as long guns ≠ pistols. Here's the US Military's latest combat pistol: https://tinypic.host/images/2022/12/22/xm17.jpg Kinda tells you all you need to know. Sure does. The military doesn't know what it's doing. It should have been a Glock with RMR. Attached File |
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Those that can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.
No man survives when freedom fails, the best men rot in filthy jails, And those who cry 'appease, appease' Are hanged by those they tried to please. |
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