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Posted: 12/21/2022 9:38:26 PM EDT
Just another fad or here to stay?
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Originally Posted By PraesidiumFabrica: What is that black bit on top of the slide and in front of the rear sights lol View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By PraesidiumFabrica: Originally Posted By DonkeyHotay: Apples and cinderblocks comparison, as long guns ≠ pistols. Here's the US Military's latest combat pistol: https://tinypic.host/images/2022/12/22/xm17.jpg Kinda tells you all you need to know. What is that black bit on top of the slide and in front of the rear sights lol |
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Originally Posted By PraesidiumFabrica: This past week I wore my g17 with RMR in a Trex arms ragnarok (which is a holster where the optic is completely exposed to the elements) all day every day. I cut down trees, dug ditches with shovels and pickaxes, and did some shooting in mist and rain all with the gun on my belt. Both days after the ditch digging I was able to run my fingers through my hair and dirt would fall out all over. In all of these activities with an exposed muh open emitter optic there was only a few times (4-6) where debris found it's way into the optic. All of these times I drew the gun and the debris fell to the bottom and the dot was still able to be acquired, a simple blow and it went out. With the mist and rain the dot was still visible 100% of the time and with both eyes open presented no issue. But a simple wipe with my finger would remove the large droplets. The muh open emitter meme is overstated. For a conceal carry gun where the optic is protected by clothing or for a gun where the optic is shrouded I don't think it really matters. But if you're worried get a Aimpoint Acro or something View Quote |
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Illigitimus Non Carborundum
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Originally Posted By DonkeyHotay: Apples and cinderblocks comparison, as long guns ≠ pistols. Here's the US Military's latest combat pistol: https://tinypic.host/images/2022/12/22/xm17.jpg Kinda tells you all you need to know. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By DonkeyHotay: Originally Posted By 45-Seventy: This same argument could be made against rifle optics. However, the United States Military has been heavily engaged in infantry centric warfare throughout the third world for about two decades using rifles almost entirely equipped with optics and this hasn’t been a concern. Why? Apples and cinderblocks comparison, as long guns ≠ pistols. Here's the US Military's latest combat pistol: https://tinypic.host/images/2022/12/22/xm17.jpg Kinda tells you all you need to know. @DonkeyHotay You know those pistols have what is called a removable plate that allows the slide to accept a RDS? |
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Originally Posted By BuckeyeRifleman: Drop your rifle and the same thing could happen. Just sayin’ View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By BuckeyeRifleman: Originally Posted By DonkeyHotay: Drop your red dot-er once and you might end up with this: https://tinypic.host/images/2022/12/22/busted-red-fot.jpg Just sayin'..... Drop your rifle and the same thing could happen. Just sayin’ But my rifle is generally slinged upon my person, and is not my EDC. Been done said it. |
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Originally Posted By DonkeyHotay: Care to do a 6-foot drop test onto concrete slide-side-down with that $600 beaut compared to iron sights? I'm game. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By DonkeyHotay: Originally Posted By BabaYaga22: Buy Trijicon RMR/RMRCC or Aimpoint and don’t have that problem Care to do a 6-foot drop test onto concrete slide-side-down with that $600 beaut compared to iron sights? I'm game. Sage Dynamics already did that test for you. |
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Some folks still haven't learned the lesson about optics on carbines yet. Once they do, they'll come around to pistol optics. It isn't even really that new, competition guys have been doing this for a while. The secret is just out, gun manufacturers are supporting it, the public wants it, optic companys are making em, and more holsters are optic ready.
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Originally Posted By DonkeyHotay: Care to do a 6-foot drop test onto concrete slide-side-down with that $600 beaut compared to iron sights? I'm game. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By DonkeyHotay: Originally Posted By BabaYaga22: Buy Trijicon RMR/RMRCC or Aimpoint and don’t have that problem Care to do a 6-foot drop test onto concrete slide-side-down with that $600 beaut compared to iron sights? I'm game. Sage Dynamics dropped them multiple times. I just back from a class we’re I racked my slide on a wood barricade a couple dozen times and off my steel belt buckle. I haven’t dropped it yet, but I just might for you |
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Pemberton the carbonated, behind his tasty bubbles, whispering of the love that is more horrible than hate.
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Originally Posted By DonkeyHotay: Care to do a 6-foot drop test onto concrete slide-side-down with that $600 beaut compared to iron sights? I'm game. View Quote Trijicon Type 2 RMR at 20K |
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Pemberton the carbonated, behind his tasty bubbles, whispering of the love that is more horrible than hate.
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Originally Posted By RustedAce: Everyone cool in the military has had dots for awhile. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By RustedAce: Originally Posted By DonkeyHotay: Are they deployed by the .MIL on CQB weapons yet? Then the jury is still out. Everyone cool in the military has had dots for awhile. On pistolas? You sure about that? |
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Illigitimus Non Carborundum
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Pemberton the carbonated, behind his tasty bubbles, whispering of the love that is more horrible than hate.
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Point shooting will give you monkeypox. - John_Wayne777
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Point shooting will give you monkeypox. - John_Wayne777
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Its to late for the boots, save your watch!
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Point shooting will give you monkeypox. - John_Wayne777
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Pemberton the carbonated, behind his tasty bubbles, whispering of the love that is more horrible than hate.
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Point shooting will give you monkeypox. - John_Wayne777
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Originally Posted By DonkeyHotay: On pistolas? You sure about that? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By DonkeyHotay: Originally Posted By RustedAce: Originally Posted By DonkeyHotay: Are they deployed by the .MIL on CQB weapons yet? Then the jury is still out. Everyone cool in the military has had dots for awhile. On pistolas? You sure about that? Yes look at the Glock sub-forum |
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View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By JBecker_72: Originally Posted By DonkeyHotay: Care to do a 6-foot drop test onto concrete slide-side-down with that $600 beaut compared to iron sights? I'm game. Impressive as hell, all kidding aside! Still not enough ROI from where I sit, so you guys party on..... |
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Originally Posted By 45-Seventy: No. I’m loaded and this is fun. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By 45-Seventy: Originally Posted By JBecker_72: Maybe you should give up before you dig yourself deeper. No. I’m loaded and this is fun. Irons are easier to use when loaded. Two dots is confusing. |
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Originally Posted By DonkeyHotay: On pistolas? You sure about that? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By DonkeyHotay: Originally Posted By RustedAce: Originally Posted By DonkeyHotay: Are they deployed by the .MIL on CQB weapons yet? Then the jury is still out. Everyone cool in the military has had dots for awhile. On pistolas? You sure about that? Since 2018 at least: https://www.militarytimes.com/off-duty/gearscout/2018/09/06/ussocom-selects-trijicon-rmr-type-2-for-its-handguns/ |
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Originally Posted By Rudukai13: Since 2018 at least: https://www.militarytimes.com/off-duty/gearscout/2018/09/06/ussocom-selects-trijicon-rmr-type-2-for-its-handguns/ View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Rudukai13: Originally Posted By DonkeyHotay: Originally Posted By RustedAce: Originally Posted By DonkeyHotay: Are they deployed by the .MIL on CQB weapons yet? Then the jury is still out. Everyone cool in the military has had dots for awhile. On pistolas? You sure about that? Since 2018 at least: https://www.militarytimes.com/off-duty/gearscout/2018/09/06/ussocom-selects-trijicon-rmr-type-2-for-its-handguns/ The Army is currently evaluating red dots for big army use as well. https://soldiersystems.net/2022/10/21/sneak-peek-sig-romeom17/ |
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Originally Posted By DonkeyHotay: Impressive as hell, all kidding aside! Still not enough ROI from where I sit, so you guys party on..... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By DonkeyHotay: Originally Posted By JBecker_72: Originally Posted By DonkeyHotay: Care to do a 6-foot drop test onto concrete slide-side-down with that $600 beaut compared to iron sights? I'm game. Impressive as hell, all kidding aside! Still not enough ROI from where I sit, so you guys party on..... See now personal preference is a perfectly reasonable motivation behind individually not wanting to use a RDS on your pistol. Panning the concept as a whole with easily falsifiable statements of fact or measurable performance are not |
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Point shooting will give you monkeypox. - John_Wayne777
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Originally Posted By DonkeyHotay: Impressive as hell, all kidding aside! Still not enough ROI from where I sit, so you guys party on..... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By DonkeyHotay: Originally Posted By JBecker_72: Originally Posted By DonkeyHotay: Care to do a 6-foot drop test onto concrete slide-side-down with that $600 beaut compared to iron sights? I'm game. Impressive as hell, all kidding aside! Still not enough ROI from where I sit, so you guys party on..... |
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View Quote RMR is the way. |
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I have decided they are not for me on a carry gun but if you can train and get used to them, I see the benefit. I'm no faster with them but many are. Here to stay.
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The more the government tells us we should not do a thing or have a thing, the more crucial it is that we do those things and have those things.
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Originally Posted By DonkeyHotay: On pistolas? You sure about that? View Quote Attached File Attached File Attached File Trolling hard or you lived under a rock. |
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Foolish, a gimmick for newbs & novices alike.
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Making white people uneasy since '71...
TN, USA
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Holosun 509T at 10K rounds I have the X2 version of this optic on my MR920 & it’s plenty tough for anything I can throw at it. |
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Originally Posted By Badlatitude: Non china closed emitter or get fucked. View Quote We could party... Attached File |
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Originally Posted By grey50beast: We could party... https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/227817/1000000428_jpg-2644120.JPG View Quote Those steiners, they look interesting. |
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Originally Posted By DonkeyHotay: What if that remaining 10% happens to be centered the vertex of the reticle? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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This thread is new and refreshing.
https://www.ar15.com/forums/handguns/Red_dots_on_handguns_a_fad_or_trend_/4-156400/ We've done this thread a lot. |
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It’s all pretty silly. If you can’t draw and shoot c zone steel from concealment sub 1.5 second at 10 yards and in and get hits 99% of the time you’re not training enough.
If you did do that you’d know it has less to do with optics and more to do with grip and target focus anyway and irons vs red dot doesn’t really matter. I prefer the dot because it allows me to be faster and more precise past 10 yards- specifically making my pistol an effective fighting tool out to 50 yards easily. But hey, what ever. Do what you like. |
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Originally Posted By sierra-def: Those steiners, they look interesting. View Quote It's a beast. I break everything But I haven't broken this yet. I broke a Burris FF3, a Vortex Venom, an RMR, a Holosun 507 and finally I landed on this, which I think might actually be tough enough. I'm almost at a year with it. Have changed the battery once, but I bought it used and I doubt he put a new one in. It's on 24/7. |
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Originally Posted By grey50beast: It's a beast. I break everything But I haven't broken this yet. I broke a Burris FF3, a Vortex Venom, an RMR, a Holosun 507 and finally I landed on this, which I think might actually be tough enough. I'm almost at a year with it. Have changed the battery once, but I bought it used and I doubt he put a new one in. It's on 24/7. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By grey50beast: Originally Posted By sierra-def: Those steiners, they look interesting. It's a beast. I break everything But I haven't broken this yet. I broke a Burris FF3, a Vortex Venom, an RMR, a Holosun 507 and finally I landed on this, which I think might actually be tough enough. I'm almost at a year with it. Have changed the battery once, but I bought it used and I doubt he put a new one in. It's on 24/7. What is the COO? |
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Originally Posted By TheTallest: This thread is new and refreshing. https://www.ar15.com/forums/handguns/Red_dots_on_handguns_a_fad_or_trend_/4-156400/ We've done this thread a lot. View Quote I’m not allowed to play there. |
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Point shooting will give you monkeypox. - John_Wayne777
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My favorite thing about RDS on pistol is actually not speed or accuracy, its the improved ability to shoot things on the move.
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Pemberton the carbonated, behind his tasty bubbles, whispering of the love that is more horrible than hate.
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Originally Posted By Rudukai13: @45-Seventy https://media.tenor.com/BoCxsuQsfn0AAAAM/you-gotta-come-see-this-randy-marsh.gif View Quote |
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Point shooting will give you monkeypox. - John_Wayne777
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Originally Posted By KTM300XCW: Sure does. The military doesn't know what it's doing. It should have been a Glock with RMR. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/241166/20200410_131503_jpg-2644045.JPG View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By KTM300XCW: Originally Posted By DonkeyHotay: Originally Posted By 45-Seventy: This same argument could be made against rifle optics. However, the United States Military has been heavily engaged in infantry centric warfare throughout the third world for about two decades using rifles almost entirely equipped with optics and this hasn’t been a concern. Why? Apples and cinderblocks comparison, as long guns ≠ pistols. Here's the US Military's latest combat pistol: https://tinypic.host/images/2022/12/22/xm17.jpg Kinda tells you all you need to know. Sure does. The military doesn't know what it's doing. It should have been a Glock with RMR. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/241166/20200410_131503_jpg-2644045.JPG It tells me the US military values pistol optics enough to make sure their latest combat pistol is set up to easily accept them |
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