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Posted: 12/21/2022 9:38:26 PM EDT
Just another fad or here to stay?
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Point shooting will give you monkeypox. - John_Wayne777
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Originally Posted By 45-Seventy: I was banned from the handgun forum like two years ago with no warnings or anything. Guess I hurt someone’s feelings. 🤷🏻♂️ View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By 45-Seventy: Originally Posted By sierra-def: WTF?? I was banned from the handgun forum like two years ago with no warnings or anything. Guess I hurt someone’s feelings. 🤷🏻♂️ Attached File |
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GD is the same men from 100 plus years ago that were bitching about internal combustion engines and saying they’d never replace their quarter horse and wagon.
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I carry both with only irons and with irons and RDS. Definitely a time on target advantage with RDS and as I continue to train it will get even better. Embrace the technology it will make you a better shooter once you get past the learning curve.
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"Do not put yourself at the mercy of people who have none" - Paul Howe
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"Byte My Shiny Metal Brass"
Benewah County resident |
"Byte My Shiny Metal Brass"
Benewah County resident |
Originally Posted By DonkeyHotay: Iron sights require no backup. And I like less shit to break on something I trust my life with on the daily. But that's just me. View Quote I’ve banged up my pistol and smashed the irons to the point the rear sight knocked off the pistol and they were deformed and unusable. |
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"Do not put yourself at the mercy of people who have none" - Paul Howe
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Originally Posted By Mblades: Show me a pistol with a RDS that’s won 2 world wars. https://cdn.rockislandauction.com/dev_cdn/56/1823.jpg That’s what I thought. View Quote But did it win Vietnam? |
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Originally Posted By Mblades: Show me a pistol with a RDS that’s won 2 world wars. https://cdn.rockislandauction.com/dev_cdn/56/1823.jpg That’s what I thought. View Quote Ummm.... https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=1911+with+red+dot |
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"Byte My Shiny Metal Brass"
Benewah County resident |
Originally Posted By sierra-def: But did it win Vietnam? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By sierra-def: Originally Posted By Mblades: Show me a pistol with a RDS that’s won 2 world wars. https://cdn.rockislandauction.com/dev_cdn/56/1823.jpg That’s what I thought. But did it win Vietnam? Charlie didn’t have no red dot either. |
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Originally Posted By Mblades: Charlie didn’t have no red dot either. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Mblades: Originally Posted By sierra-def: Originally Posted By Mblades: Show me a pistol with a RDS that’s won 2 world wars. https://cdn.rockislandauction.com/dev_cdn/56/1823.jpg That’s what I thought. But did it win Vietnam? Charlie didn’t have no red dot either. Whatcha talk'n bout? |
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Originally Posted By 53x11: It’s all pretty silly. If you can’t draw and shoot c zone steel from concealment sub 1.5 second at 10 yards and in and get hits 99% of the time you’re not training enough. If you did do that you’d know it has less to do with optics and more to do with grip and target focus anyway and irons vs red dot doesn’t really matter. I prefer the dot because it allows me to be faster and more precise past 10 yards- specifically making my pistol an effective fighting tool out to 50 yards easily. But hey, what ever. Do what you like. View Quote If I'm training for defensive use, should I be satisfied with c zone hits, or should I strive for upper a zone hits? |
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Originally Posted By StevenH: I only have 3 red and 1 green. Red is better than green. I still prefer irons though. View Quote I personally prefer red dot sights over green dot sights as well. That being said, I prefer green lasers over red lasers (yes, I'm one of those godless heathens that likes lasers). |
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Give me my thunderstick, my firewater, my friends at Arfcom, and I will know peace.
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Originally Posted By DVCER: When your whiz bang dot fails, so will you. It’s a pistol for gods sake. View Quote I’ll bet the vast majority of guys put a dot on their pistol because they thought it was cool and did minimal, if any, training with it. Bet they are way slower than with irons. Can’t find the dot. And that’s the kicker. I practice like a mother and I’m ok but I worry that if I have to draw, under stress, cold with no warm ups, I might not find that dot. |
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Originally Posted By BabaYaga22: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/417747/9E4145A6-6CC1-465D-986F-80918E984C4B_jpe-2643965.JPG The future is here to stay, I get fist sized groups with practice ammo at 15 yards and all pie plate hits at 25 yards. Just took a class with the G19 and I was faster and more accurate then everyone without a red dot in the class. View Quote lol you actually think it was due to the dot?! You should conduct more….scientific…..studies! Lololo |
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Originally Posted By PraesidiumFabrica: This past week I wore my g17 with RMR in a Trex arms ragnarok (which is a holster where the optic is completely exposed to the elements) all day every day. I cut down trees, dug ditches with shovels and pickaxes, and did some shooting in mist and rain all with the gun on my belt. Both days after the ditch digging I was able to run my fingers through my hair and dirt would fall out all over. In all of these activities with an exposed muh open emitter optic there was only a few times (4-6) where debris found it’s way into the optic. All of these times I drew the gun and the debris fell to the bottom and the dot was still able to be acquired, a simple blow and it went out. With the mist and rain the dot was still visible 100% of the time and with both eyes open presented no issue. But a simple wipe with my finger would remove the large droplets. The muh open emitter meme is overstated. For a conceal carry gun where the optic is protected by clothing or for a gun where the optic is shrouded… I don’t think it really matters. But if you’re worried get a Aimpoint Acro or something View Quote I’m sure the bad guy will give you a second to clean your glass. |
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Originally Posted By AIWB: I’ll bet the vast majority of guys put a dot on their pistol because they thought it was cool and did minimal, if any, training with it. Bet they are way slower than with irons. Can’t find the dot. And that’s the kicker. I practice like a mother and I’m ok but I worry that if I have to draw, under stress, cold with no warm ups, I might not find that dot. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By AIWB: Originally Posted By DVCER: When your whiz bang dot fails, so will you. It’s a pistol for gods sake. I’ll bet the vast majority of guys put a dot on their pistol because they thought it was cool and did minimal, if any, training with it. Bet they are way slower than with irons. Can’t find the dot. And that’s the kicker. I practice like a mother and I’m ok but I worry that if I have to draw, under stress, cold with no warm ups, I might not find that dot. Then you just need more practice behind the dot. Try drawing and dry firing continuously as well as live fire drilling under induced stress you shouldn’t be hunting for the dot. Like any other piece of equipment you’re proficient on It needs to become muscle memory. I bought RMR’s several years ago which sat in my safe as I hated them until I decided to put in the repetitions and training needed to become proficient with them. |
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"Do not put yourself at the mercy of people who have none" - Paul Howe
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Originally Posted By AIWB: Bullshit. Iron sights fail more than dots. Ok buddy. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By AIWB: Originally Posted By RustedAce: Ive seen significantly more iron sights fail on pistols than dots. Like several dozen irons to 1 dot. (A T-1) Bullshit. Iron sights fail more than dots. Ok buddy. LMAO. You obviously have know idea who you’re calling bullshit on. |
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"Do not put yourself at the mercy of people who have none" - Paul Howe
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“It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men”
- Samuel Adams |
epic fad
most cops won't have them for years most cops never fire a round toys for paper punchers |
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it's not about effectiveness, which in my opinion red dots are more effective. it's not about reliability, red dots are just as reliable. the main concern is if you needed a red dot, why would you reach for a pistol? if you were to use nods or thermals, why would pistol be your go to? that's the red dot solution looking for a problem. the whole point of a hand gun is carry. and the whole point of carry is smaller lighter faster. that's why they're single stack, a full mag is too much weight and volume. same with barrel and slide. red dot just makes no sense.
the reality is, usa has been getting safer for many years. the idea of using a carry gun literally decreases every year (except this last one). so adding a drum mag, silencer, red dot, all fail to follow the intended use. it's not designed for room clearing, 3 gun or distance shooting. the red dot superiority at a distance is exactly its problem: at distance, you should be getting out of dodge or at the very least, going to a rifle. but alas this is a gun forum. people put a 3-20x on a shotgun and then cut the stock off so they can't reliably use the scope nor the shotgun, all while screaming 'gitrdun' at the paper zombies. to each their own. |
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Leave me alone. I’m a libertarian.
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Red Dots on Pistols:
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Originally Posted By AIWB: Yeah, because that comprises 99% of guys time spent shooting. View Quote Probably not, the guys who are proclaiming irons are “better” are poors and probably don’t have nods. When you actually train with a pistol you realize a dot makes it so much faster in every aspect |
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I was always willing to be reasonable until I had to be unreasonable. Sometimes reasonable men must do unreasonable things.
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Originally Posted By TheTyrannyTractor: Probably not, the guys who are proclaiming irons are “better” are poors and probably don’t have nods. When you actually train with a pistol you realize a dot makes it so much faster in every aspect View Quote You are not my supervisor. I do not have to like what you like. |
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Originally Posted By Seven-Shooter: I plan on mine being around a while: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/129976/233E61AA-29FB-4FB1-870C-2CEDD09D287F-1069519.jpghttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/129976/1AE33E1B-8D66-4E04-A8A6-B23AD0BC1F2D-1806403.jpg View Quote I would wager that Ruger .22 with a red dot will tear one ragged hole….I use something similar for a lot of range work |
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There were these two fellars standin' on a bridge, a-goin' to the bathroom. One fellar said, "The water's cold" and the other fellar said, "The water's deep". I believe one fella come from Arkansas. Get it?
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Haven't read every post, but let me make an educated guess on how this thread is going.
Anti-Dot'ers post ridiculous and untrue arguments against red dots. Dot'ers post counter argument Anti-Dot'ers get their depends in a wad and autistic screech about how they shouldn't be forced to change. |
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Originally Posted By grey50beast: We could party... https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/227817/1000000428_jpg-2644120.JPG View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By grey50beast: Originally Posted By Badlatitude: Non china closed emitter or get fucked. We could party... https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/227817/1000000428_jpg-2644120.JPG This guy f*cks. Plot twist, that’s a CZ, so the womenfolk are safe. |
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Originally Posted By Glck1911: Haven't read every post, but let me make an educated guess on how this thread is going. Anti-Dot'ers post ridiculous and untrue arguments against red dots. Dot'ers post counter argument Anti-Dot'ers get their depends in a wad and autistic screech about how they shouldn't be forced to change. View Quote Mostly just steps 1&2 for now, but I hoping for more progress. Home today and could use the entertainment. |
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Originally Posted By rod727: I would wager that Ruger .22 with a red dot will tear one ragged hole….I use something similar for a lot of range work View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By rod727: Originally Posted By Seven-Shooter: I plan on mine being around a while: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/129976/233E61AA-29FB-4FB1-870C-2CEDD09D287F-1069519.jpghttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/129976/1AE33E1B-8D66-4E04-A8A6-B23AD0BC1F2D-1806403.jpg I would wager that Ruger .22 with a red dot will tear one ragged hole….I use something similar for a lot of range work Mine will. I often use it to bust clays on the 100 yard berm. Attached File |
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“It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men”
- Samuel Adams |
A Grendel's Love is different from a 5.56's Love
SC, USA
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Originally Posted By grey50beast: We could party... https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/227817/1000000428_jpg-2644120.JPG View Quote Which sight is that? I am going RD on my Sig 320 and shopping around. Getting new slide etc so I am flexible on the cut. My current slide can’t be cut. |
Leave me alone. I’m a libertarian.
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Originally Posted By RattleCanAR: Which sight is that? I am going RD on my Sig 320 and shopping around. Getting new slide etc so I am flexible on the cut. My current slide can’t be cut. View Quote steiner mps, I'm waiting on mine currently to show up so I can finish prototyping acro plates for arex pistols and make some at work. They're suppose to a competitor to the acro p2 (which is unobtanium right now) with a bigger sight picture, same level clarity glass, and slightly worse battery life. |
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I was always willing to be reasonable until I had to be unreasonable. Sometimes reasonable men must do unreasonable things.
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Originally Posted By Butternut: Why do some folks get so angry over this? Just shoot pistols like you prefer to shoot em. Are we not adults? It's not middle school anymore, where you have to be concerned about whether folks in the cafeteria or gym class will think you are cool. View Quote Because the same 6 guys cannot help themselves. They fight tooth and nail like Jehovah’s Witnesses or cult members when anyone dares to say that dots aren’t for them. That’s why some have been banned from the handgun forum. It’s utterly ridiculous. |
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"All planes close up tight . . .we'll have to ditch unless landfall . . .when the first plane drops below 10 gallons, we all go down together."
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Originally Posted By 8w7: Because the same 6 guys cannot help themselves. They fight tooth and nail like Jehovah’s Witnesses or cult members when anyone dares to say that dots aren’t for them. That’s why some have been banned from the handgun forum. It’s utterly ridiculous. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By 8w7: Originally Posted By Butternut: Why do some folks get so angry over this? Just shoot pistols like you prefer to shoot em. Are we not adults? It's not middle school anymore, where you have to be concerned about whether folks in the cafeteria or gym class will think you are cool. Because the same 6 guys cannot help themselves. They fight tooth and nail like Jehovah’s Witnesses or cult members when anyone dares to say that dots aren’t for them. That’s why some have been banned from the handgun forum. It’s utterly ridiculous. Ehhhh it’s not really like that though… the resistance is usually backed by varying doses of “I don’t need none of that newfangled trash… if you need that much help hittin’ the tergit maybe let yer husband show you how to use real sights…” For sure it’s great to train with and use both. Beneficial. But some of us who had the same problem but have figured it out are trying to help others figure it out with some shortcuts … and are met with resistance. It doesn’t help that this thread is posted so often so there is some weariness associated. |
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Let's Go Red Wings!
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Rest in Peace Brother. |
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