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Posted: 7/14/2022 9:58:03 PM EDT
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The bad guys lawyers filed a R.41 dismissal. In Ohio that means they have 1 year to start it all over again, but as of today it's over.
This entire thing was a bullshit bluff all along. We called them on it and didn't offer a penny in settlement. They knew they would never win at trial so they quit. They can refile, but their lawyers know its a lost cause and, and I can't imagine any other lawyers will want to pick this up and expect a different outcome. Thanks for all the support, it's been a wild ride, and fortunately the bad guys lost. To better understand how bad the trial would have gone for them read this - parents depositions. Imagine my attorneys cross examining them in front of a jury! Document Dump of the process Timeline June, 2 2020 link A Lucas County Common Pleas Court Judge grants a Restraining Order against Jerry Zohn as a result of a motion submitted by his wife's attorney which states " violence that occurred between them". Morning July, 2 2020 - link Allison and Jerry conspire to commit a felony when Allison asks Jerry buy a gun in his name for her and she'll give him the money, because she said she was a prohibited person due to being in a mental institution. Afternoon July, 2 2020 link Allison and Jerry follow through with the felony act and Jerry buys a .22 Ruger Wrangler Revolver which he gives to Allison. July, 7 2020 link Jerry(lives with a friend while going through a divorce) and Allison(lives with her parents) spend the night in a hotel 67 miles from their homes. Allison told her mom she "had her own hotel room". Jerry said they stayed in the same room, but in separate beds. July, 8 2020 link Allison kills herself using the revolver Jerry bought. July, 29 2020 link Detective Albright STPD speaks with the owner of ADCO Firearms and states Allison used the gun Jerry bought to kill herself. July, 30 2020 link to video Jerry Zohn is interviewed by Detective Albright STPD May, 27 2021 Jerry Zohn is indicted federally for lying on the 4473 June, 22 2021 link Jerry Zohn is arrested by ATF. August 24 2021 link Jerry Zohn files for bankruptcy October, 5 2021 Jerry Zohn pleads guilty in federal court to Counts 1 of the Indictment and is convicted under 18:922(A)(6) October, 14 2021 link Allison’s parents hire a Toledo law firm and open the estate to sue Jerry for wrongful death, but are told he has no insurance, so there is nothing they can put their hands on. March, 18 2022 Jerry Zohn is Sentenced for a term of 10 months Home Incarceration as to Count One of the Indictment; to serve 2 years supervised release and to pay $100.00 special assessment June, 22 2022 link Plaintiffs who "opposes citizens having firearms" hire a law firm from Columbus who is a spotlight donor to the Brady Campaign to sue ADCO July, 6 2022 link Allison’s parents file against ADCO firearms for wrongful death September, 9 2022 link Why you ask? In the plaintiff's words - link 1 link 2 Allisons parents through the Toledo law firm close the estate stating they are no longer pursuing a wrongful death claim. October 27, 2022 Jerry Zohn Deposition - Zohn didn't show up. December 19, 2022 Deposition link Jerry Zohn Deposition January 12, 2023 Trial scheduled for January 30, 2024 January 19, 2023 link Parents(plaintiffs) Deposition February 20, 2023 Steve Thompson Deposition - Plaintiff cancels deposition at last minute. March, 17 2023 link ADCO files motion to dismiss because the Estate was closed by the plaintiff on 09/09/2022 March, 20 2023 My insurance company of 20yrs and zero claims drops me. March, 28 2023 Plaintiffs reopen the estate. May, 4 2023 New insurance is acquired but at a 500% increase due to the open claim. June 5, 2023 Steve Thompson Deposition - Plaintiff cancels deposition at last minute. June 30, 2023 New Trial Date May 21 2024 July 21, 2023 Plaintiffs send settlement demand letter, state that their expert testimony will establish ADCO recklessly... August 9, 2023 Deposition Link Steve Thompson Deposition August 10, 2023 What a bold bluff! The settlement demand letter is rejected by defendant. October, 9 2023 Plaintiff Expert witness reports released. They're a joke. The statements made in the demand letter regarding said "experts" was a BLUFF. They have nothing. October 19, 2023 Judge denies motion to dismiss and states the closing of the estate was a mistake of the court. December 22, 2023 Summary Judgment Motion January 4, 2024 Suicide Expert witness deposition - try to read THIS without laughing at the absurdity. January 19, 2024 Firearms Expert, Expert witness deposition - try to read this and this without laughing at this hack. Present Day They have yet to produce a single piece of evidence to contradict my statement to Detective Albright that there were no indications they were attempting to make a straw purchase. |
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I'm no good at telling people what they want to hear when I dont believe it myself :)
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Originally Posted By FunYun1983: I'm 50/50 he killed her and is quasi getting away with it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By FunYun1983: Well, shes out of her misery now, I guess. I'm 50/50 he killed her and is quasi getting away with it. He actually did say that when the detective interrogated him. My eyes popped open when I heard him say that. |
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Originally Posted By Jayne_Cobb: so what is he basing his conclusions upon? Revelatory dreams? View Quote He is an expert on suicide. He said reading the depositions wouldn't make any difference in his conclusion that Allison would still be alive if Jerry didn't give her a gun. That's it. His testimony at trial is going to be a complete non issue. |
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I'm no good at telling people what they want to hear when I dont believe it myself :)
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Read this absolute horse shit - Demand letter
You've watched the interrogation video. You've read the transcripts. You read the Motion for Summary Judgment. Discovery is over. All cards are on the table. They have nothing more than an imagination. One of my happiest days was when we replied back that we reject their demand without a counter proposal. |
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I'm no good at telling people what they want to hear when I dont believe it myself :)
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The lawyer who wrote that should be disbarred. Liars
All of them. |
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Originally Posted By bigbore: ZOHN DEPOSITION View Quote Finished reading that earlier today. That guy was way out of his league. He tried to play off not remembering many details on much of anything, then never realized the attorneys were slowly interjecting questions he answered quite clearly! |
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Originally Posted By FunYun1983: I'm 50/50 he killed her and is quasi getting away with it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By FunYun1983: Well, shes out of her misery now, I guess. I'm 50/50 he killed her and is quasi getting away with it. Zohn? No. He dropped her off in the morning after a night of what I would guess of sloppy hotel sex. The coroner put her time of death as 3:22PM. Now, if you think her dad found the gun in her room while she was a away then decided to rid himself of a financial and emotional burden and disguise it as a suicide... |
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I'm no good at telling people what they want to hear when I dont believe it myself :)
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Originally Posted By bigbore: Read this absolute horse shit - Demand letter You've watched the interrogation video. You've read the transcripts. You read the Motion for Summary Judgment. Discovery is over. All cards are on the table. They have nothing more than an imagination. One of my happiest days was when we replied back that we reject their demand without a counter proposal. View Quote LOLOL |
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Originally Posted By Torf: LOL at that demand letter. "We have nothing except our opinion and despite telling you we think we can get millions, are willing to settle for 500k to save Steve's business." LOLOL View Quote LOL at everything at this point. They have to know by now their case is a loser. Perhaps they think my side is bluffing about a trial, and they are still expecting a settlement? They asked for an extension to respond to the MSJ for a date after the "gun experts" deposition. Maybe after Mr. Meadows sure to be trainwreck deposition they will reconsider?? |
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I'm no good at telling people what they want to hear when I dont believe it myself :)
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Originally Posted By bigbore: LOL at everything at this point. They have to know by now their case is a loser. Perhaps they think my side is bluffing about a trial, and they are still expecting a settlement? They asked for an extension to respond to the MSJ for a date after the "gun experts" deposition. Maybe after Mr. Meadows sure to be trainwreck deposition they will reconsider?? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By bigbore: Originally Posted By Torf: LOL at that demand letter. "We have nothing except our opinion and despite telling you we think we can get millions, are willing to settle for 500k to save Steve's business." LOLOL LOL at everything at this point. They have to know by now their case is a loser. Perhaps they think my side is bluffing about a trial, and they are still expecting a settlement? They asked for an extension to respond to the MSJ for a date after the "gun experts" deposition. Maybe after Mr. Meadows sure to be trainwreck deposition they will reconsider?? Pretending to be magnanimous by citing your need to keep the business open is insulting. |
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I'm no good at telling people what they want to hear when I dont believe it myself :)
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What a train wreck. It's seems obvious an anti gun group was orchestrating this.
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Originally Posted By Max429: What a train wreck. It's seems obvious an anti gun group was orchestrating this. View Quote I dont think it's that deep. The parents who don't believe people should own guns, found a law firm that is a spotlight donor to the Brady Campaign to extort a quick settlement out of a gun store's insurance company. Standard unethical lawyer bullshit, no need to have a 3rd part orchestrate what lawyers do every day. |
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I'm no good at telling people what they want to hear when I dont believe it myself :)
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Read both depositions and watched the video. These clowns can’t possibly have a case. I would love to see the depositions from their so called experts. So sorry you have to deal with this headache.
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FTFTWFMF
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I'm no good at telling people what they want to hear when I dont believe it myself :)
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I keep clicking on this thread, expecting an acquittal!
WTF? The judge must be a real piece of work... |
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"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity" --- Sigmond Freud, General Introduction to Psychoanalysis
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Originally Posted By Former11BRAVO: I keep clicking on this thread, expecting an acquittal! WTF? The judge must be a real piece of work... View Quote There isn't an acquittal in civil court. The jury will either find I was negligent or not. There is nothing wrong with the judge, she's just a cog in a broken system. |
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I'm no good at telling people what they want to hear when I dont believe it myself :)
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GD is like putting on crampons and walking through a room full of puppies.
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Originally Posted By FredMan: Thought the judge was slow walking that closed probate thing. View Quote No, she denied our motion to dismiss a couple months ago. According to her, the plaintiff making a motion to close the estate is somehow a mistake of the court and the nunc pro tunc was proper |
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I'm no good at telling people what they want to hear when I dont believe it myself :)
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Originally Posted By AK-12: Broken cog in a broken system. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By AK-12: Originally Posted By bigbore: No, she denied our motion to dismiss a couple months ago. According to her, the plaintiff making a motion to close the estate is somehow a mistake of the court and the nunc pro tunc was proper Broken cog in a broken system. This. Grounds for a likely win upon appeal if necessary. Doesn't matter the process is the punishment |
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Carry it, shoot it. (repeat forever)
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I'm no good at telling people what they want to hear when I dont believe it myself :)
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Originally Posted By Foxtrot08: I get givesendgo donations and being uneasy on donations and such. But I’d rather buy something from you, even if it is highly priced. It’s not a “donation” then. You’re selling me a product. Even if it’s just profitable for you, not excessively. Something easy for us to support you. I don’t think I have any machine work / barrels cut right now. Do you work on Tavors? Just an idea. View Quote My shop guy has been too busy threading barrels to do anything with my barrel stub idea. In the mean time, if anyone wants to buy something that will contribute to the fund I made this link on my site. Top Stop fundraiser I bought way too many of those several years ago. They do work, I think they are a great idea, but they don't sell. Buy one or two and you can give them out as stocking stuffers next year! |
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I'm no good at telling people what they want to hear when I dont believe it myself :)
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Originally Posted By bigbore: The expert witness deposed today did not read mine or Zohn's deposition transcripts. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By bigbore: Originally Posted By AeroE: Ask your attorney if the expert witness will read the depositions before making his own. My first question to the expert witness would be whether he had read the depositions. Then claim that he has been coached if the answers are "Yes". The expert witness deposed today did not read mine or Zohn's deposition transcripts. I was referring to the deposition by the firearms expert. |
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Keep your powder dry, and watch your back trail.
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I'm no good at telling people what they want to hear when I dont believe it myself :)
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Originally Posted By bigbore: Broken cog today, proper tool tomorrow. If by chance Hell freezes over and a jury sides with the bad guys - that improper nunc pro tunc order will be ruled as reversible error on appeal. View Quote Just what happens to a judge when they get overruled? Does some board of judges look at that stuff? |
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GD is like putting on crampons and walking through a room full of puppies.
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Originally Posted By FredMan: Just what happens to a judge when they get overruled? Does some board of judges look at that stuff? View Quote The Judge will suffer slight embarrassment from being overturned, that's about it. I'm spending thousands of dollars that I shouldn't have to but as George Carlin said, It's a big club, and I'm not in it. |
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I'm no good at telling people what they want to hear when I dont believe it myself :)
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Anyone here good with the facebook and twitters? My ADCO page is shadow banned. If some of you could share this it will help spread the word.
https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=856063529648341&set=a.726729825915046 My case is being discussed in a bunch of forums where I'm not a member. I'd like to get the truth out as much as possible. |
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I'm no good at telling people what they want to hear when I dont believe it myself :)
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Originally Posted By bigbore: Anyone here good with the facebook and twitters? My ADCO page is shadow banned. If some of you could share this it will help spread the word. https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=856063529648341&set=a.726729825915046 My case is being discussed in a bunch of forums where I'm not a member. I'd like to get the truth out as much as possible. View Quote Shared |
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Originally Posted By bigbore: Anyone here good with the facebook and twitters? My ADCO page is shadow banned. If some of you could share this it will help spread the word. https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=856063529648341&set=a.726729825915046 My case is being discussed in a bunch of forums where I'm not a member. I'd like to get the truth out as much as possible. View Quote That link doesn’t work for me. What other forums? Can we link this thread? |
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FTFTWFMF
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Originally Posted By TN-MadDog: That link doesn’t work for me. What other forums? Can we link this thread? View Quote I suck at social media. try this https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100057341062873 then share the post about the lawsuit. ? I'm cool with linking to this thread, but no one will read it all. |
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I'm no good at telling people what they want to hear when I dont believe it myself :)
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Damn. Tried to do the fundraiser but no AmEx accepted.
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Steve ships fast! Wish I'd needed some other stuff but hope a few bucks helps
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Carry it, shoot it. (repeat forever)
Swing Your Sword |
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I'm no good at telling people what they want to hear when I dont believe it myself :)
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I killed a bacon puppy. :(
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Originally Posted By DoubleARon: What a fucking tool. View Quote No, I wouldn't say that about the expert. He read what he was provided. When it comes to lawyers, it's a game of lying through omission. He was provided a copy of the complaint though. Think of that. He wasn't given a copy of swarn testimony of the 2 people who were there - - but he read a fictional version of the events written by someone who wasn't there, who never spoke to anyone who was there. Disgusting, but that's what lawyers do. No matter, he had nothing to say that is going to hurt me at trial. |
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I'm no good at telling people what they want to hear when I dont believe it myself :)
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Originally Posted By bigbore: My shop guy has been too busy threading barrels to do anything with my barrel stub idea. In the mean time, if anyone wants to buy something that will contribute to the fund I made this link on my site. Top Stop fundraiser I bought way too many of those several years ago. They do work, I think they are a great idea, but they don't sell. Buy one or two and you can give them out as stocking stuffers next year! View Quote Picked up two the other day. Being delivered today. 👍 |
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I'm no good at telling people what they want to hear when I dont believe it myself :)
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Originally Posted By bigbore: The "gun expert" has his deposition at 9AM. I can't wait because I know it's going to be another nail in the coffin of their immoral cash grab lawsuit. In the mean time, I received the deposition of their other expert yesterday. I'll just leave this little tidbit which sums up the absurdity of it all. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/12678/no-opinion-3099396.jpg View Quote Gun grabber lawyers with gun grabber "experts" for money grabbing lawsuits |
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Carry it, shoot it. (repeat forever)
Swing Your Sword |
Originally Posted By bigbore: The "gun expert" has his deposition at 9AM. I can't wait because I know it's going to be another nail in the coffin of their immoral cash grab lawsuit. In the mean time, I received the deposition of their other expert yesterday. I'll just leave this little tidbit which sums up the absurdity of it all. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/12678/no-opinion-3099396.jpg View Quote |
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Originally Posted By bigbore: The "gun expert" has his deposition at 9AM. I can't wait because I know it's going to be another nail in the coffin of their immoral cash grab lawsuit. In the mean time, I received the deposition of their other expert yesterday. I'll just leave this little tidbit which sums up the absurdity of it all. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/12678/no-opinion-3099396.jpg View Quote Holy shit Guess that "expert" thinks suicide only exists with guns Guess they should rip down all those suicide nets off bridges then... |
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Originally Posted By bigbore: The "gun expert" has his deposition at 9AM. I can't wait because I know it's going to be another nail in the coffin of their immoral cash grab lawsuit. In the mean time, I received the deposition of their other expert yesterday. I'll just leave this little tidbit which sums up the absurdity of it all. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/12678/no-opinion-3099396.jpg View Quote |
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I killed a bacon puppy. :(
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Man, just when I though nothing could surprise me...
The gun expert said he read my deposition and Zohn's deposition and that Zohn is telling the truth. He didn't give an expert opinion based on anything other than the deposition of a convicted felon. All he did was pass judgment against me. |
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I'm no good at telling people what they want to hear when I dont believe it myself :)
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Originally Posted By bigbore: Man, just when I though nothing could surprise me... The gun expert said he read my deposition and Zohn's deposition and that Zohn is telling the truth. He didn't give an expert opinion based on anything other than the deposition of a convicted felon. All he did was pass judgment against me. View Quote Shocker!! And he's probably full of it saying her read the deposition. |
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Fuck Cancer. Love you Pop.
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Originally Posted By bigbore: Man, just when I though nothing could surprise me... The gun expert said he read my deposition and Zohn's deposition and that Zohn is telling the truth. He didn't give an expert opinion based on anything other than the deposition of a convicted felon. All he did was pass judgment against me. View Quote Human lie detector huh |
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Carry it, shoot it. (repeat forever)
Swing Your Sword |
Expert Witness = Liar for Hire
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Heller II - Challenging DC's bans on semi-automatic rifles, large-capacity ammunition feeding devices, and its onerous and expensive handgun registration process. http://www.HellerFoundation.org/
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Originally Posted By bigbore: Man, just when I though nothing could surprise me... The gun expert said he read my deposition and Zohn's deposition and that Zohn is telling the truth. He didn't give an expert opinion based on anything other than the deposition of a convicted felon. All he did was pass judgment against me. View Quote |
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I killed a bacon puppy. :(
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Originally Posted By bigbore: Man, just when I though nothing could surprise me... The gun expert said he read my deposition and Zohn's deposition and that Zohn is telling the truth. He didn't give an expert opinion based on anything other than the deposition of a convicted felon. All he did was pass judgment against me. View Quote Guns bad. ADCO sell bad, scary guns. ADCO bad. Precisely what he was paid to say. |
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