User Panel
User Panel
User Panel
|
Posted: 3/26/2024 3:19:29 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Jinxsters]
Ship hit it allegedly?
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: 3/27/2024 7:59:00 AM EDT
[#1]
Originally Posted By BourbonBeast: I don't understand why it's so hard for people in this thread, and on GD in general, to understand a simple principle: Overwhelming claims require overwhelming evidence. Shotgunning "what ifs" and then telling other people to prove you wrong is not how critical thinking works. If you want to claim that this was a cyberattack, or a terror attack, or whatever, you need actual, concrete evidence. Not supposition, not correlation, but actual data that proves causation. (SNIP) Until you have strong, concrete evidence that overrides the strong, concrete evidence that shows this was an accident / unintentional, please stop. You are making yourselves look ridiculous and dare I say it, unintelligent. Arfcom's Razor: All other things being equal, the correct answer is usually "conspiracy." - wingnutx |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 3/27/2024 8:00:42 AM EDT
[#2]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Into_the_Void: Only thing I saw was that they recovered a body Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Into_the_Void: Originally Posted By Freakinout: Is there any actual updates or is this just a purse swinging thread ? Only thing I saw was that they recovered a body Still looking for most the construction workers? |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 3/27/2024 8:02:56 AM EDT
[#3]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Freakinout: Still looking for most the construction workers? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Freakinout: Originally Posted By Into_the_Void: Originally Posted By Freakinout: Is there any actual updates or is this just a purse swinging thread ? Only thing I saw was that they recovered a body Still looking for most the construction workers? I don't know. The victim number hasn't made sense. I think they have no idea how many people are in the water. I keep hearing 6 missing, 2 recovered, but 20 victims..... |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 3/27/2024 8:04:21 AM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Freakinout: Is there any actual updates or is this just a purse swinging thread ?  Attached File |
|
|
|
TX, USA
|
Posted: 3/27/2024 8:05:10 AM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MeInMediocrity: I haven't read all 22 pages, so maybe already covered. Some sources (maybe here or elsewhere) are suggesting the ship might not have a reversing gearbox between the engine and the prop. Therefore, to reverse thrust, you would have to restart the engine in reverse. Not sure if true or accurate. That's part of my question. I would speculate normal operation would be to have an electrical power generator powered by the main engine. Is that an accurate speculation? My real question is, "Could one of the power outages have been indicative of a commanded engine shutdown so it could be restarted in reverse?" |
|
|
|
Posted: 3/27/2024 8:06:14 AM EDT
[#6]
Wait a minute... I got this... We had a big Solar event a day or so ago... so it effected the ships electronics, that were made in...wait for it...China... and they lost power and crashed, and China recently bought the sun, yeah, that's it, that's the ticket.... It's China... case closed.
I told ya I had this. |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 3/27/2024 8:08:46 AM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brass: True, but if it was an attack, why did they try very hard to make it appear to be an accident? *snip* Because they want to do it again? What is the IC all encompassing argument for secrecy? "Sources and methods" or some such? People frantically disregarding it as an accident without really knowing and accusing anyone who questions it a "conspiracy theorist" (not unlike covid, the vax or fraudulent elections) is laughable. I dont see any meaningful number of people declaring adamantly "this is hostile action", but I do see plenty of people summarily declaring that it is not. Let's pretend you have a neighbor you have a long standing feud with. He shoots your dogs every chance he gets, and you do the same. The greenhouse he raises crocus' in burns down, he catches the arsonist hopping the fence onto your place and he blames you. A week later your barn burns down. Are you going to ask some questions? Or are you going to say "Well, barns burn down all the time"? |
|
|
|
MS, USA
|
Posted: 3/27/2024 8:09:03 AM EDT
[#8]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fxntime: Wait until it's found out they ran out of diesel fuel because no one checked the fuel gauge and it's run on bunker normally. Bunkers is a general term for all fuel, not a type of fuel. You probably mean HSFO (high sulpher fuel oil) or HFO, (heavy fuel oil). They would be running VLSFO (very low sulpher fuel oil) and wouldn't be changing over until the vessel was well offshore. They wouldn't just forget to fuel the vessel, it doesn't work like that. There are lots of eyes from several parties that would have noticed the vessel was low on fuel. The fuel levels are reported in every update from the vessel. |
|
|
|
Posted: 3/27/2024 8:11:00 AM EDT
[#9]
Is it possible this was just a tragic accident?
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: 3/27/2024 8:13:05 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Into_the_Void]
[#10]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sparky: Is it possible this was just a tragic accident? Yup. Like I said earlier, it'll be an interesting accident model. It'll likely start with a shit company, with shit pay, shit safety, shit maintenance, something broke because of it, then crash because of shit training. |
|
|
|
TX, USA
|
Posted: 3/27/2024 8:13:22 AM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TinSpinner: I don't think a ferry could charge enough to cover their liability insurance |
|
|
|
Posted: 3/27/2024 8:14:12 AM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sparky: Is it possible this was just a tragic accident? Sometimes things appear as they actually are. |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 3/27/2024 8:15:01 AM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sparky: Is it possible this was just a tragic accident? Absolutely. Is it possible it is not? |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 3/27/2024 8:18:45 AM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RealityCheck0311: What irritates is me all the people repeating the narrative "Alex Jones is right more than wrong." But somehow dismissing every batshit conspiracy theory (like above) he says almost daily that's almost always wrong. Events like this just realize how much I hate all media (especially cable news) in general. Just STFU with the conspiracy theories and conjecture until you have real solid facts. A majority of stuff being posted right now on social media is going to fake BS that's easily debunked. It's so sad when people view a catastrophe or tragic event as a tool to spread their personal BS. "Must have been a drunk Russian Trump supporter at the wheel" or from the opposite side, "Must be a Ukrainian DEI candidate." All because Real_Truther_69 on twitter said so. Just STFU until you get real facts and stop speculating. Stop treating tragic events like it's a contest to see who can prove something first. Stop acting like women glued to the TV watching Nancy Grace discuss some missing person and then trying to solve it at home like you're some investigator. These are the sort of things that were shouted in order to quiet down the people such as, the vax, vote fraud, Russia dossier and on & on. When do you think the facts will be know. At least the truth. |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 3/27/2024 8:18:53 AM EDT
[#15]
In the Jack Ryan realm, now all the bridge hazmat is rerouted to a high value target corrider
|
|
|
|
OH, USA
|
Posted: 3/27/2024 8:18:58 AM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By realwar: China is kicking on our asses on bridges. They built this one listed as the world's tallest for $147M.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEWU9L4ITrEhttps://peacelily603666031.files.wordpress.com/2023/08/image-14.png?w=750 https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/336270877_246672181118968_8675266856053358005_n.png?_nc_cat=105&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=5f2048&_nc_ohc=IytLeqUmYZ8AX-xg4w1&_nc_ht=scontent-lax3-1.xx&oh=00_AfAjJ7DhgSH_Q_cFFWC4O6T5VeXtxB3HKhQ3CwRB-98I2A&oe=6607E824 https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/cars/2016/12/29/JS116816810_Rex-Features_Beipanjiang-Bridge-Xuanwei-China-29-Dec-2016_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqqVzuuqpFlyLIwiB6NTmJwUSib1_O0K1q2LoG6ZcSW7Q.jpg https://static.toiimg.com/thumb/imgsize-23456,msid-56239677,width-600,resizemode-4/56239677.jpg Why does anyone believe what China says? They lie about everything. |
|
|
MI, USA
|
Posted: 3/27/2024 8:20:32 AM EDT
[#17]
I like how the US taxpayer is going to be paying for the rebuild, we wouldn't want one of those pesky insurance investigations.
Video:
|
|
|
|
Posted: 3/27/2024 8:22:04 AM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Blue_Monkey: I'd like to know the same thing. Closing down a highway isn't quick unless you already have people in place. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Blue_Monkey: Originally Posted By AmericanPeople: If not already posted it will be interesting to see the timeline of the distress call from the ship, who received it and when the people at the ends of the bridge were notified so that they could stop traffic from crossing the bridge. Is that a toll bridge because I have been on some long bridges and don't recall seeing anyone who could have stopped traffic. Maybe it was police who stopped traffic but even at that, unless the distress call was well in advance of the collision, someone acted very quickly. I'd like to know the same thing. Closing down a highway isn't quick unless you already have people in place. There are some of those big highway overhead LED signs as you approach. Could get a big "BRIDGE CLOSED" message up there very quickly. There is also a Highway Dept. depot just on the north end of the bridge. Some Troopers could have been there and moved to block traffic? However, you can clearly see traffic going over the bridge, including a number of trucks and then two cars just moments before the collapse. If they did stop traffic, it was with about 15 seconds to spare. |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 3/27/2024 8:25:02 AM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DarkStar: I like how the US taxpayer is going to be paying for the rebuild, we wouldn't want one of those pesky insurance investigations.
Video:
LOL, let's call it "Potatoes Razor" |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 3/27/2024 8:25:15 AM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Into_the_Void: Yup. Like I said earlier, it'll be an interesting accident model. It'll likely start with a shit company, with shit pay, shit safety, shit maintenance, something broke because of it, then crash because of shit training. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Into_the_Void: Originally Posted By Sparky: Is it possible this was just a tragic accident? Yup. Like I said earlier, it'll be an interesting accident model. It'll likely start with a shit company, with shit pay, shit safety, shit maintenance, something broke because of it, then crash because of shit training. All conspiracies aside, this does seem to be the most plausible explanation. |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 3/27/2024 8:25:23 AM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By xd341: Symptom of societal decay. Statistically speaking we're smarter than we were 100 years ago...but we may have peaked.  Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By xd341: Originally Posted By glklvr: I was hoping to look on page 35 this morning and see all the asinine conspiracy theories dismissed and replaced with real information, but no. There was a woman driving! It was a Ukrainian! Alex Jones! The news media says X, so I'm going to believe Y! We have some really fucking stupid people on this site. Statistically speaking we're smarter than we were 100 years ago...but we may have peaked. I disagree. |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 3/27/2024 8:27:26 AM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By glklvr: I was hoping to look on page 35 this morning and see all the asinine conspiracy theories dismissed and replaced with real information, but no. There was a woman driving! It was a Ukrainian! Alex Jones! The news media says X, so I'm going to believe Y! We have some really fucking stupid people on this site. My favorite so far has been.. tHeY diD tHiS tO hUrT TrUmP aNd PreVEnT hIM fROm wInNiNg iN NoVeMbER! |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 3/27/2024 8:29:38 AM EDT
[#23]
The collapse of the Francis Scott Key Bridge in Baltimore "should be a manageable loss" for the insurance industry, Wells Fargo analyst Elyse Greenspan wrote in a note to clients on Tuesday.
"Most losses should go to the International Group of P&I Clubs ("IG"), with reinsurance coverage up to $3.1B per vessel," she said. The tanker that crashed into the bridge is insured by the Britannia P&I Club, a member of the IG. Greenspan's initial sense is that the marine losses could reach the $3.1B level, exceeding the $1.5B loss from the Costa Concordia in 2012. She expects that Bermuda insurers Arch Capital Group (NASDAQ:ACGL), AXIS Capital Holdings (NYSE:AXS), Everest Group (NYSE:EG), and RenaissanceRe (NYSE:RNR) and European reinsurers Hannover Re (OTCPK:HVRRF), Swiss Re (OTCPK:SSREF) (OTCPK:SSREY), and Munich Re could have a share of the IG program. Property losses, too, are expected. The value of the bridge is estimated at ~$1.2B, but the insurance coverage isn't known, she said. "Overall, our sense is the loss will be shared across many reinsurers, and we are not concerned with one player having too much exposure," she wrote. In Tuesday's trading, reinsurers' stock weren't much affected. Arch Capital Group (ACGL) fell 0.4%, AXIS Capital Holdings (AXS) +0.1%, Everest Group (EG) -0.9%, RenaissanceRe (RNR) +0.6%. Hannover Rueck (OTCPK:HVRRF) +1.0%, and Swiss Re (OTCPK:SSREF), 0%. |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 3/27/2024 8:30:32 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Into_the_Void]
[#24]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DDDDCheapAF: All conspiracies aside, this does seem to be the most plausible explanation. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DDDDCheapAF: Originally Posted By Into_the_Void: Originally Posted By Sparky: Is it possible this was just a tragic accident? Yup. Like I said earlier, it'll be an interesting accident model. It'll likely start with a shit company, with shit pay, shit safety, shit maintenance, something broke because of it, then crash because of shit training. All conspiracies aside, this does seem to be the most plausible explanation. Swiss cheese model. It'll be a $5 part that broke that if not for all the other events would have been insignificant. I love accident investigations. Shoulda worked for the NTSB
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: 3/27/2024 8:38:19 AM EDT
[#25]
I can't read 36 pages, I can tell you what happened.
The main engine quit. Does not matter why. No directional control via rudder. No reverse. The black smoke is the cold start of the aux gen. Rich mixture. Turbos have not spun up. It did not get warmed up and up to speed before impact. The aux gen engine provides power to the engine start air compressor. The aux gen engine provides power to its generator. Because the aux engine was cold and surging, the electrical current was outside operating range voltage and cycles. The electric protection logic put the aux gen on and off line. Why the lights flashed. With no electric power, no bow thrusters. Accident cause: no fully function aux gen immediately available during critical phase of voyage. End. Thank you. |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 3/27/2024 8:40:55 AM EDT
[#26]
https://abc7news.com/amp/francis-scott-key-bridge-baltimore-collapse-how-many-died-in/14576300/
An elite Coast Guard team is examining 13 damaged containers from the crashed vessel, "An elite Coast Guard team is examining 13 damaged containers from the crashed vessel, "some with Centers for Disease Control and Prevention [CDC] and/or hazardous materials [HAZMAT] contents," the CISA memo said. The team is also analyzing the ship's manifest to determine what was on board and if any materials could pose a health risk, the source said.some with Centers for Disease Control and Prevention [CDC] and/or hazardous materials [HAZMAT] contents," the CISA memo said. The team is also analyzing the ship's manifest to determine what was on board and if any materials could pose a health risk, the source said. |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 3/27/2024 8:42:39 AM EDT
[#27]
Evidently the Sunshine Skyway disaster in Florida didn't make a big impression on DOT Engrrs . Happened in 1980 so they had a few years to do something .
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: 3/27/2024 8:44:13 AM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Duck_Hunt: My favorite so far has been.. tHeY diD tHiS tO hUrT TrUmP aNd PreVEnT hIM fROm wInNiNg iN NoVeMbER! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Duck_Hunt: Originally Posted By glklvr: I was hoping to look on page 35 this morning and see all the asinine conspiracy theories dismissed and replaced with real information, but no. There was a woman driving! It was a Ukrainian! Alex Jones! The news media says X, so I'm going to believe Y! We have some really fucking stupid people on this site. My favorite so far has been.. tHeY diD tHiS tO hUrT TrUmP aNd PreVEnT hIM fROm wInNiNg iN NoVeMbER! Don't forget "wow, that bridge design must suck to collapse like that" from the physics majors in the group.
|
|
|
|
TGO
|
Posted: 3/27/2024 8:44:29 AM EDT
[#29]
Too bad ARFCOM wasn't around when the Titanic sank.
"Steel is stronger than ice." "Don't you think its a coincidence JP Morgan owns it?" "Obviously a false flag event by the dirigible and airship companies." "If the ship had watertight doors, how did it sink?" "I bet someone doctored the charts to lead them into the iceberg." |
|
|
|
Posted: 3/27/2024 8:46:17 AM EDT
[Last Edit: trapsh00ter99]
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KELBEAST: This is getting out of hand. I want to see a Venn diagram overlapping the "fuck Ukraine" crowd with the "intentional bridge sabotage" crowd. Maybe we sample the moon landing hoax and the 9/11 truthers too. Ukrainian is one of the top nationalities represented in international shipping....I think I saw a chart earlier listing them at #2. So it wouldn't be uncommon for the captain to be Ukrainian, so even if it was true about the ships captain, to use that as all the evidence needed to suggest this was a nefarious attack in the face of overwhelming evidence this was a horrible accident is just as bad as what leftist do. |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 3/27/2024 8:47:18 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Into_the_Void]
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ClassicLugeMick: Too bad ARFCOM wasn't around when the Titanic sank. "Steel is stronger than ice." "Don't you think its a coincidence JP Morgan owns it?" "Obviously a false flag event by the dirigible and airship companies." "If the ship had watertight doors, how did it sink?" "I bet someone doctored the charts to lead them into the iceberg." It was that faggot Woodrow Wilson headed to Epstein's island |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 3/27/2024 8:47:32 AM EDT
[#32]
https://gcaptain.com/breaking-mv-dali-cited-for-propulsion-issues-before-baltimore-incident/
According to records from the public ship safety database Equasis, MV Dali – the ship that collided with Baltimore’s Francis Scott Key Bridge this morning – was cited by port state officials in San Antonio, Chile, on June 27 for a deficiency related to “propulsion and auxiliary machinery.” |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 3/27/2024 8:49:12 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Duck_Hunt: https://abc7news.com/amp/francis-scott-key-bridge-baltimore-collapse-how-many-died-in/14576300/ An elite Coast Guard team is examining 13 damaged containers from the crashed vessel, "An elite Coast Guard team is examining 13 damaged containers from the crashed vessel, "some with Centers for Disease Control and Prevention [CDC] and/or hazardous materials [HAZMAT] contents," the CISA memo said. The team is also analyzing the ship's manifest to determine what was on board and if any materials could pose a health risk, the source said.some with Centers for Disease Control and Prevention [CDC] and/or hazardous materials [HAZMAT] contents," the CISA memo said. The team is also analyzing the ship's manifest to determine what was on board and if any materials could pose a health risk, the source said. I cannot imagine the CDC moves anything hazardous by containers on a ship. Likely office supplies. |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 3/27/2024 8:49:36 AM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fox2008: Don't forget "wow, that bridge design must suck to collapse like that" from the physics majors in the group. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fox2008: Originally Posted By Duck_Hunt: Originally Posted By glklvr: I was hoping to look on page 35 this morning and see all the asinine conspiracy theories dismissed and replaced with real information, but no. There was a woman driving! It was a Ukrainian! Alex Jones! The news media says X, so I'm going to believe Y! We have some really fucking stupid people on this site. My favorite so far has been.. tHeY diD tHiS tO hUrT TrUmP aNd PreVEnT hIM fROm wInNiNg iN NoVeMbER! Don't forget "wow, that bridge design must suck to collapse like that" from the physics majors in the group. This thread is a perfect storm of conspiracy tards mixed in with the ‘everything is political’ crew. Free range autism at its finest. Thank goodness that at least a few here are using facts and logic to try and stop them. |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 3/27/2024 8:51:30 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By burkeva: This thread is a perfect storm of conspiracy tards mixed in with the ‘everything is political’ crew. Free range autism at its finest. Thank goodness that at least a few here are using facts and logic to try and stop them. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By burkeva: Originally Posted By fox2008: Originally Posted By Duck_Hunt: Originally Posted By glklvr: I was hoping to look on page 35 this morning and see all the asinine conspiracy theories dismissed and replaced with real information, but no. There was a woman driving! It was a Ukrainian! Alex Jones! The news media says X, so I'm going to believe Y! We have some really fucking stupid people on this site. My favorite so far has been.. tHeY diD tHiS tO hUrT TrUmP aNd PreVEnT hIM fROm wInNiNg iN NoVeMbER! Don't forget "wow, that bridge design must suck to collapse like that" from the physics majors in the group. This thread is a perfect storm of conspiracy tards mixed in with the ‘everything is political’ crew. Free range autism at its finest. Thank goodness that at least a few here are using facts and logic to try and stop them. Don't forget all the brand new cargo ship experts, ship pilots and captains, as well as structural engineers. |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 3/27/2024 8:52:12 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Into_the_Void: I cannot imagine the CDC moves anything hazardous by containers on a ship. Likely office supplies. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Into_the_Void: Originally Posted By Duck_Hunt: https://abc7news.com/amp/francis-scott-key-bridge-baltimore-collapse-how-many-died-in/14576300/ An elite Coast Guard team is examining 13 damaged containers from the crashed vessel, "An elite Coast Guard team is examining 13 damaged containers from the crashed vessel, "some with Centers for Disease Control and Prevention [CDC] and/or hazardous materials [HAZMAT] contents," the CISA memo said. The team is also analyzing the ship's manifest to determine what was on board and if any materials could pose a health risk, the source said.some with Centers for Disease Control and Prevention [CDC] and/or hazardous materials [HAZMAT] contents," the CISA memo said. The team is also analyzing the ship's manifest to determine what was on board and if any materials could pose a health risk, the source said. I cannot imagine the CDC moves anything hazardous by containers on a ship. Likely office supplies. Especially with a destination of Sri Lanka. |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 3/27/2024 8:53:11 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Duck_Hunt: Especially with a destination of Sri Lanka. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Duck_Hunt: Originally Posted By Into_the_Void: Originally Posted By Duck_Hunt: https://abc7news.com/amp/francis-scott-key-bridge-baltimore-collapse-how-many-died-in/14576300/ An elite Coast Guard team is examining 13 damaged containers from the crashed vessel, "An elite Coast Guard team is examining 13 damaged containers from the crashed vessel, "some with Centers for Disease Control and Prevention [CDC] and/or hazardous materials [HAZMAT] contents," the CISA memo said. The team is also analyzing the ship's manifest to determine what was on board and if any materials could pose a health risk, the source said.some with Centers for Disease Control and Prevention [CDC] and/or hazardous materials [HAZMAT] contents," the CISA memo said. The team is also analyzing the ship's manifest to determine what was on board and if any materials could pose a health risk, the source said. I cannot imagine the CDC moves anything hazardous by containers on a ship. Likely office supplies. Especially with a destination of Sri Lanka. Probably expired alcohol wipes and masks
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: 3/27/2024 8:53:25 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fox2008: Don't forget "wow, that bridge design must suck to collapse like that" from the physics majors in the group. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fox2008: Originally Posted By Duck_Hunt: Originally Posted By glklvr: I was hoping to look on page 35 this morning and see all the asinine conspiracy theories dismissed and replaced with real information, but no. There was a woman driving! It was a Ukrainian! Alex Jones! The news media says X, so I'm going to believe Y! We have some really fucking stupid people on this site. My favorite so far has been.. tHeY diD tHiS tO hUrT TrUmP aNd PreVEnT hIM fROm wInNiNg iN NoVeMbER! Don't forget "wow, that bridge design must suck to collapse like that" from the physics majors in the group. lol yep. Those same people likely can’t keep the underpinning on their trailers. |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 3/27/2024 8:54:03 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By realwar: China is kicking on our asses on bridges. They built this one listed as the world's tallest for $147M. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEWU9L4ITrEhttps://peacelily603666031.files.wordpress.com/2023/08/image-14.png?w=750 https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/336270877_246672181118968_8675266856053358005_n.png?_nc_cat=105&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=5f2048&_nc_ohc=IytLeqUmYZ8AX-xg4w1&_nc_ht=scontent-lax3-1.xx&oh=00_AfAjJ7DhgSH_Q_cFFWC4O6T5VeXtxB3HKhQ3CwRB-98I2A&oe=6607E824 https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/cars/2016/12/29/JS116816810_Rex-Features_Beipanjiang-Bridge-Xuanwei-China-29-Dec-2016_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqqVzuuqpFlyLIwiB6NTmJwUSib1_O0K1q2LoG6ZcSW7Q.jpg https://static.toiimg.com/thumb/imgsize-23456,msid-56239677,width-600,resizemode-4/56239677.jpg That is terrifying. The Tillman is bad enough for me. |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 3/27/2024 8:56:17 AM EDT
[Last Edit: bmw20]
[#40]
I always enjoy reading through responses when something big happens. Much like society at large, arfcom spans the gamut of “it happened exactly like the magic box on the wall said it did”, all the way to “aliens living under the ocean and mad because of pollution” did it.
What’s really fucked up is that, in 2024, I’m more apt to believe the alien story. I assume anything “official” government sources say is complete bullshit…..and I work for the government. |
|
|
|
TX, USA
|
Posted: 3/27/2024 8:56:42 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Socio: The fact is there are no conspiracy theories or speculation that can be openly dismissed anymore, not with this ship or anything else. Why? Because there are no official institutions or main stream media sources that can be trusted to tell us the truth, in fact most if not all have been party to cover ups of it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Socio: Originally Posted By BourbonBeast: I don't understand why it's so hard for people in this thread, and on GD in general, to understand a simple principle: Overwhelming claims require overwhelming evidence. Shotgunning "what ifs" and then telling other people to prove you wrong is not how critical thinking works. If you want to claim that this was a cyberattack, or a terror attack, or whatever, you need actual, concrete evidence. Not supposition, not correlation, but actual data that proves causation. How about some forensic analysis of the computers on the ship? How about an actual link from a crewmember to a terror network? Anything of that nature. Because for now, the available video and comms evidence very, very clearly points to this being an accident / mechanical malfunction that resulted in the ship uncontrollably drifting into the support, causing the collapse. Until you have strong, concrete evidence that overrides the strong, concrete evidence that shows this was an accident / unintentional, please stop. You are making yourselves look ridiculous and dare I say it, unintelligent. The fact is there are no conspiracy theories or speculation that can be openly dismissed anymore, not with this ship or anything else. Why? Because there are no official institutions or main stream media sources that can be trusted to tell us the truth, in fact most if not all have been party to cover ups of it. I can go along with that to an extent. But can you at least believe your eyes? Because you can SEE what happened to the boat and bridge. |
|
|
|
Posted: 3/27/2024 8:59:31 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ClassicLugeMick: Too bad ARFCOM wasn't around when the Titanic sank. "Steel is stronger than ice." "Don't you think its a coincidence JP Morgan owns it?" "Obviously a false flag event by the dirigible and airship companies." "If the ship had watertight doors, how did it sink?" "I bet someone doctored the charts to lead them into the iceberg." It is human nature to ask questions and conjecture about catastrophic events especially when complex systems, technology and lots of money are involved. |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 3/27/2024 8:59:55 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sparky:
Is it possible this was just a tragic accident? 
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: 3/27/2024 9:00:07 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ClassicLugeMick: Too bad ARFCOM wasn't around when the Titanic sank. "Steel is stronger than ice." "Don't you think its a coincidence JP Morgan owns it?" "Obviously a false flag event by the dirigible and airship companies." "If the ship had watertight doors, how did it sink?" "I bet someone doctored the charts to lead them into the iceberg." The door was fucking big enough for both of them. Rose was a Soviet spy, sent to kill Jack to make it look like hypothermia/drowning. |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 3/27/2024 9:01:36 AM EDT
[#45]
So have we come to a consensus?
I asked the Q tard at work what he thought about it. He believes this was the Obama’s however it was collateral damage. Q and Trump’s team had intel of a 1 kiloton suitcase nuke in one of the containers. Trump had seal team 6 board the ship but the crew had been tipped off and a gun fight broke out and the captain shot himself in the head with no one left to steer the ship it crashed into the bridge. The nuke was recovered. Biden and Obama are furious. But Trump has managed to save the northeast from a massive casualty event again. I shit you not. |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 3/27/2024 9:03:21 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GutWrench: So have we come to a consensus? I asked the Q tard at work what he thought about it. He believes this was the Obama’s however it was collateral damage. Q and Trump’s team had intel of a 1 kiloton suitcase nuke in one of the containers. Trump had seal team 6 board the ship but the crew had been tipped off and a gun fight broke out and the captain shot himself in the head with no one left to steer the ship it crashed into the bridge. The nuke was recovered. Biden and Obama are furious. But Trump has managed to save the northeast from a massive casualty event again. I shit you not. Are you an orderly at an insane asylum? |
|
|
|
|
Posted: 3/27/2024 9:03:34 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sparky: Is it possible this was just a tragic accident? A tragic boating accident.
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: 3/27/2024 9:05:44 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GutWrench: So have we come to a consensus? I asked the Q tard at work what he thought about it. He believes this was the Obama’s however it was collateral damage. Q and Trump’s team had intel of a 1 kiloton suitcase nuke in one of the containers. Trump had seal team 6 board the ship but the crew had been tipped off and a gun fight broke out and the captain shot himself in the head with no one left to steer the ship it crashed into the bridge. The nuke was recovered. Biden and Obama are furious. But Trump has managed to save the northeast from a massive casualty event again. I shit you not. What’s his SN here? 
|
|
|
|
USA
|
Posted: 3/27/2024 9:09:20 AM EDT
[Last Edit: WhyNotDev8]
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By xciapup: I can't read 36 pages, I can tell you what happened. The main engine quit. Does not matter why. No directional control via rudder. No reverse. The black smoke is the cold start of the aux gen. Rich mixture. Turbos have not spun up. It did not get warmed up and up to speed before impact. The aux gen engine provides power to the engine start air compressor. The aux gen engine provides power to its generator. Because the aux engine was cold and surging, the electrical current was outside operating range voltage and cycles. The electric protection logic put the aux gen on and off line. Why the lights flashed. With no electric power, no bow thrusters. Accident cause: no fully function aux gen immediately available during critical phase of voyage. End. Thank you. Keep your knowledge and pragmatism out of this thread. Better answers: Terror attack during the slowest traffic period of the entire day. Chinese cyber attack on a declining sea port that was already hemorrhaging containers to Norfolk. Some of locals have simply suggested that Wes Moore wanted a new bridge. Others have questioned why an erector set bridge couldn't withstand a 95,000 ton vessel running into one of its main support beam. "IT SHOULDNT HAVE CAME DOWN THAT EASY!" As others have said, free range autism is plentiful |
|
|
|
Posted: 3/27/2024 9:09:40 AM EDT
[#50]
Originally Posted By KillerDyller: Are you an orderly at an insane asylum? Originally Posted By Duck_Hunt: What’s his SN here? I am not. But I do work for the government. He will not share his screen name. He is a member here. Says he doesn’t post much is GD. Stays in tech. |
|
|
|
Win a FREE Membership!
Sign up for the ARFCOM weekly newsletter and be entered to win a free ARFCOM membership. One new winner* is announced every week!
You will receive an email every Friday morning featuring the latest chatter from the hottest topics, breaking news surrounding legislation, as well as exclusive deals only available to ARFCOM email subscribers.
AR15.COM is the world's largest firearm community and is a gathering place for firearm enthusiasts of all types.
From hunters and military members, to competition shooters and general firearm enthusiasts, we welcome anyone who values and respects the way of the firearm.
Subscribe to our monthly Newsletter to receive firearm news, product discounts from your favorite Industry Partners, and more.
Copyright © 1996-2024 AR15.COM LLC. All Rights Reserved.
Any use of this content without express written consent is prohibited.
AR15.Com reserves the right to overwrite or replace any affiliate, commercial, or monetizable links, posted by users, with our own.
