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Posted: 4/12/2024 8:33:04 AM EDT
When commenting on a subject, does actual experience on the subject matter? Or can you be become just as knowledgeable by reading up on the subject or watching videos?
Link Posted: 4/12/2024 8:36:30 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 4/12/2024 8:37:16 AM EDT
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Unconscious Incompetence, Conscious Incompetence, Unconscious Competence, Conscious Competence.
Link Posted: 4/12/2024 8:38:42 AM EDT
[#3]
Ask fictional Aliens character Lieutenant Gorman.

Link Posted: 4/12/2024 8:38:56 AM EDT
[#4]
What the book says vs. How it's actually done
Link Posted: 4/12/2024 8:39:42 AM EDT
[#5]
In GD?  

You must be new around these parts.
Link Posted: 4/12/2024 8:41:23 AM EDT
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FPNI
Link Posted: 4/12/2024 8:41:33 AM EDT
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@Marie stopped giving GD free consultation on importing/exporting because her experience was being drowned out by loud people with an opinion.
Link Posted: 4/12/2024 8:43:14 AM EDT
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Almost everything I read an article or watch a video on a subject that I am a subject matter expert on, something is incorrect.  

If this happens often in my subject areas, I have to assume it happens in all areas.
Link Posted: 4/12/2024 8:45:24 AM EDT
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Yes.
Link Posted: 4/12/2024 8:47:20 AM EDT
[#10]
No, I comment all the time on shit I know nothing about.
Link Posted: 4/12/2024 8:47:49 AM EDT
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Depends on the subject and the role.

A guy driving a gravel truck has been involved in building bridges for decades and dumped gravel at thousands of bridge construction sites and has a ton of experience.  He can also run a bulldozer like a champ.  But he does not know shit about building/designing a bridge.

A guy with a B.S. in engineering with a dual Ph.D. In applied physics and materials science has been to and investigated every modern bridge failure.  And knows all available details about major bridge failures historically.  He has consulted on thousands of bridge designs over the past few decades.  But he has never been on site from start to finish in charge of a project.  He knows nothing of that.

Another guy is an MSCE and been on site for dozens of  constructions over the past few decades.  He’s likely a journeyman at driving a big gravel truck or running a bulldozer.  He probably only knows a tenth as much of pure data as the Ph.D.
Link Posted: 4/12/2024 8:49:26 AM EDT
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I read alot, I'm pretty knowledgeable in many areas.
I'm better in the areas of things I've done repeatedly for years.
Link Posted: 4/12/2024 8:51:27 AM EDT
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Doctors, lawyers, cops, army generals, Special Operations commandos, politicians, cooks, teachers, farmers, physicists and weather forecasters have all repeatedly been shown to be wilting flowers in the face of weaponized autism.
The superpowers enabled by Cheetos dusted Aspies with internet access and no adult supervision make Superman look like a poofter.
Link Posted: 4/12/2024 8:51:39 AM EDT
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Aviation threads are always fun
Link Posted: 4/12/2024 8:53:36 AM EDT
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Aviation threads are always fun
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Aviation threads are always fun

In the last farming thread, an actual farmer didn’t comment until the 4th page. Every other post was prefaced with “my daddy was a farmer” or “all the farmers in my area.”
Link Posted: 4/12/2024 8:55:31 AM EDT
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who said anything about being knowledgeable on a subject is a prerequisite for commenting?
Link Posted: 4/12/2024 8:56:44 AM EDT
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It depends on what the subject is. The more technical it is ie, flying a plane, surgery, the more real experience you're going to need if you're commenting on specific details.
But broad topics with obvious conclusions are a lot easier to be knowledgeable on. I've never been shot, but I know it would hurt or kill me, and I'm confident enough in that conclusion to tell others not to point guns at people you don't want to hurt or kill.

Link Posted: 4/12/2024 8:57:04 AM EDT
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52-0 voting.

Amazing.
Link Posted: 4/12/2024 8:58:15 AM EDT
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Behold. Experience.



But yes experience does matter.
Link Posted: 4/12/2024 8:58:20 AM EDT
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Experience + Study/Research > Experience > Study/research
Link Posted: 4/12/2024 9:02:14 AM EDT
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This is my experience.

Anything I'm trying to learn, I make effort to do as much cross referencing as possible and preferably from people actually owning first hand experience.
Link Posted: 4/12/2024 9:03:27 AM EDT
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This is GD, everyone is an expert in everything.

If you want to see some examples, look at any maritime thread, especially the Baltimore bridge thread.  There are a handful of us here who actually work in the industry and have tried to answer questions or share information but you will quickly be shouted down by those who know more because they read it somewhere or because some YouTube personality told them different.

I read the threads for humor but try really hard to not respond anymore.
Link Posted: 4/12/2024 9:05:22 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 4/12/2024 9:06:28 AM EDT
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Poll fail.
In GD tradition, both are true. Get both.
Link Posted: 4/12/2024 9:11:03 AM EDT
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That's really up to the consumer of the comments to filter out. Anyone can (and does) comment
on subjects, you gotta figure out who's full of shit.

I will say that here and IRL the "We've always done it that way" expert can be as much a hindrance
as the "internet expert".

I've run into guys with decades in their trade who can't figure small things out as well as newbies
who can find a new andd better solution. You have to filter them out.

I personally try to add "read it somewhere" or "I've done this" when I comment on something.
Link Posted: 4/12/2024 9:12:44 AM EDT
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IMO -- take everything into account

experienced pilots crash -- world-class surgeons make mistakes, etc

conversely - sometimes the 'new guy' has a fresh / correct perspective (except MBAs -- all MBAs suck...)

so -- does experience matter ?  yes.  but you CAN get lulled into deferring to the 'old-timer' when the correct COA might be something different

wisdom is to know the difference

Link Posted: 4/12/2024 9:13:18 AM EDT
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I train a lot of new-grad engineers....  Experience matters, a LOT.
Link Posted: 4/12/2024 9:13:51 AM EDT
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I have met many of people who have done and know much more than the book read individual.

But….. I have seen just as many do a job and not have the slightest clue of why or how.

An expert knows how to do and why.

Both is what it takes to make a professional
Link Posted: 4/12/2024 9:17:14 AM EDT
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Both matter, but what matters more is intelligence to understand the subject.

I've met plenty of people who have done a job for years and still have zero understanding beyond the specific steps they do. Ask them why they do X, they have no clue other than that is what they were trained to do.

I've also met people who have an excellent understanding of a subject despite never doing it themselves.

The former were people with little intelligence and curiosity, the latter were smart people who were thinkers.
Link Posted: 4/12/2024 9:18:51 AM EDT
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Generally, forum members do not respond to threads in which they have prior knowledge
Link Posted: 4/12/2024 9:23:25 AM EDT
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My man, porn and "Dear Penthouse.." can only do so much for a man. At some point you gotta get out there and give it the ol college try. Find out if you are a real do'er or not.
Link Posted: 4/12/2024 9:25:37 AM EDT
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I learned it with the last two switched.  First, you're competent but have to think about it.  Then you're competent without thinking about it.
Link Posted: 4/12/2024 9:28:49 AM EDT
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Real life experience is always better.  I can't tell you the number if times I've found articles and instructions completely wrong compared how things actually work in real life.
Link Posted: 4/12/2024 9:30:27 AM EDT
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Theory can get to sucking pretty bad when you get out into the real world. ??
Link Posted: 4/12/2024 9:31:35 AM EDT
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I have never jumped off a tall bridge, but know enough about gravity to comment.
Link Posted: 4/12/2024 9:32:06 AM EDT
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Can’t think of any example where experience doesn’t matter.
Link Posted: 4/12/2024 9:34:23 AM EDT
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Being well read is good, but there’s no substitute for experience.
Link Posted: 4/12/2024 9:34:44 AM EDT
[#38]
Look at any oil thread.
Link Posted: 4/12/2024 9:34:54 AM EDT
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It's impossible to know that without first having the experience.
Link Posted: 4/12/2024 9:35:49 AM EDT
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There is a certain Youtube law enforcement oriented channel where the guy running it quit his police job after only two years (couldn't handle it), but somehow has become a subject matter expert on all things LE.  Experience does matter, except in the world of the internet.
Link Posted: 4/12/2024 9:36:58 AM EDT
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No.
I know everything.
Link Posted: 4/12/2024 9:41:02 AM EDT
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Often times there can be a significant difference between text book theory, and reality. Yes, experience matters.
Link Posted: 4/12/2024 9:43:05 AM EDT
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If your comment is wrong or disagrees with experts you should be

1. Ignored
2. Banned
3. Re-educated
Link Posted: 4/12/2024 9:43:12 AM EDT
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Experience matters, but it is not immunity from an appeal to authority fallacy.

You can have experience and still be wrong.  

Link Posted: 4/12/2024 9:46:44 AM EDT
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Are we talking about whores or roofers?
Link Posted: 4/12/2024 9:47:40 AM EDT
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I've had people here tell me flat out I was ignorant about a subject that just happens to be what I do every single day for a living, with their only experience being "I had it done once and it failed". I tried to explain why it failed, based on their description of the failure, and they told me I didn't have any idea what I was talking about.

I just shut up and went on about my day
Link Posted: 4/12/2024 9:49:20 AM EDT
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…and academia.

As the saying goes, “Those that can, do.  Those that can’t, teach”.
Link Posted: 4/12/2024 9:51:47 AM EDT
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Was it Ike who said something along the lines as there is no substitute for military training like actual combat?

You have to do the book learning so when it comes time in your experience to face that issue you have "tools" from your book learning to use. In my military career I was ever so happy to face something that I had been trained upon but as reality would have it those times rarely came.

Experience can't be taught but is a hell of a good teacher.

In my line of work experience couldn't keep up with the changes and I needed outside education and training to supplement even a 14-hour, 7 day a week schedule like the Navy uses. There was no substitute for formal training on the gear but broad experience often applies across many areas of need. My former boss was a brilliant man who spawned a technical renaissance by investing in advanced training for military broadcasters.
Link Posted: 4/12/2024 9:52:47 AM EDT
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No experience necessary, now go get your round.
Link Posted: 4/12/2024 9:53:19 AM EDT
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I've had people here tell me flat out I was ignorant about a subject that just happens to be what I do every single day for a living, with their only experience being "I had it done once and it failed". I tried to explain why it failed, based on their description of the failure, and they told me I didn't have any idea what I was talking about.

I just shut up and went on about my day
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I've had people here tell me flat out I was ignorant about a subject that just happens to be what I do every single day for a living, with their only experience being "I had it done once and it failed". I tried to explain why it failed, based on their description of the failure, and they told me I didn't have any idea what I was talking about.

I just shut up and went on about my day



Gotta have thicker skin than that man.

I get called a Democrat, communist, Biden supporter, whiner, oh that I was on the wrong forum… you name it, I’ve been called it, regarding oil threads.

This is the internet. Don’t take it seriously, don’t take yourself too seriously.  The internet is for people to come to bitch and whine. Just laugh at them, if they continue, fuck with them.
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