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Posted: 4/12/2010 3:02:36 AM EST
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By enforcing its no-weapons policy,
Fuddruckers is enforcing its rights as a private business to create the sort of dining environment we believe best suits and appeals to all or the majority of our guests. Yeah, because a bunch of people with licenses carrying guns you don't know they are carrying are such a detriment to the "dining environment". Fuck Fuddruckers. |
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Posted: 4/12/2010 3:05:59 AM EST
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By enforcing its no-weapons policy,
Fuddruckers is enforcing its rights as a private business to create the sort of dining environment we believe best suits and appeals to all or the majority of our guests. OP, you should ask her if they eject police for open carrying in their restaurants then. If they have a 'no-weapons policy' and don't refuse police as well as citizens, that is selective enforcement and discrimination. What is good for the Goose is good for Gander. |
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Posted: 4/12/2010 3:08:00 AM EST
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I'm really surprised to hear this kind of drivel coming from a Texas company. Serious, no snark.
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Posted: 4/12/2010 3:08:57 AM EST
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The nearest Fuddruckers to me is in Flint MI. FLINT FUCKING MICHIGAN. I've made a point of stopping there when we travel downstate.
Sorry, they won't be getting any of my money anymore. |
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Posted: 4/12/2010 3:10:35 AM EST
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Well within their rights as a private corporation. If someone wants to come in your house, then they need to obey YOUR rules now don't they,... same principle.
If you don't like it you can just eat somewhere else. I for one am REALLY gonna miss those yummy chocolate malts. |
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Posted: 4/12/2010 3:18:34 AM EST
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Well within their rights as a private corporation. If someone wants to come in your house, then they need to obey YOUR rules now don't they,... same principle. If you don't like it you can just eat somewhere else. I for one am REALLY gonna miss those yummy chocolate malts. Not a single person has questioned as to whether or not within their rights and we have all stated, in some form of another, that we will be eating somewhere else. |
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Posted: 4/12/2010 3:19:05 AM EST
[#7]
Fair enough, it's their property, just don't eat there any more.
They even acknowledge that the OP won't be coming in any more so they must be cool with losing business. |
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Posted: 4/12/2010 3:21:42 AM EST
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The nearest Fuddruckers to me is in Flint MI. FLINT FUCKING MICHIGAN. I've made a point of stopping there when we travel downstate. Sorry, they won't be getting any of my money anymore. Thats probably the closest one to me too. The ones around here went TU a couple years ago. Good ridance. |
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Posted: 4/12/2010 3:26:42 AM EST
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Rebuttal, for what it's worth (nothing)
Adriana,
Thank you for your candor on the subject. I sincerely hope that Fuddruckers will reconsider its policy on the matter. In the mean time, please also consider that there many American gunowners who are very disappointed by your policy, as you are telling them through your actions, that they are unwelcome. This implies a clear and very negative value judgement on an issue where people like me are understandably sensitive. I fully support your right to run your business as you see fit, but enacting a policy of this sort is in my opinion, very much wrong. Thanks again, with my sincere hope that I'll be able to come to your restaurants in the future. Hal |
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Posted: 4/12/2010 3:32:36 AM EST
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The closest one to me closed. Good riddance.
The simplest and most complete answer to this issue is always, "Only law-abiding citizens obey laws."
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Posted: 4/12/2010 3:40:00 AM EST
[#11]
They gave you the ol' "Cool story bro"
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Posted: 4/12/2010 3:44:11 AM EST
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They gave you the ol' "Cool story bro" Yep.  I'll give em the ol' "Hasta la vista, fucktard".
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Posted: 4/12/2010 3:44:20 AM EST
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it always cracks me up when people parade out the whole "what's best for the majority" BS. because these same people would NEVER dream of using the same logic to ban gays... |
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Posted: 4/12/2010 3:45:50 AM EST
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I got the same response... I forwarded it to everyone I know and told my kids "no more Fuddruckers">
I really didn't care for the burgers, but the kiddos liked them so we went a couple of times a year. FWIW, I know lots of people and I'm going to keep a count of how many I can get to "just say no". I started with my son's wrestling team. They were going to have their end of year wrestling dinner there. Once the coach found out, he changed the location. 20 or so kids and their parents, that would have been pricey. Fuckem.... 
Edited for spelling... |
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Posted: 4/12/2010 3:46:31 AM EST
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Lots more active litigating queers than there are gun owners, and they're in the right legally anyway.
We're actually more hated than queers these days. Kinda tells ya somethin don't it?
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Posted: 4/12/2010 3:57:04 AM EST
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They are perfectly within their rights.
They truly believe that the OPEN carrying of guns creates an uncomfortable situation for their customers. Believe it or not, most red blooded Americans would feel uncomfortable in that kind of situation. If my livelihood relied on satisfying the most people I would strive for that outcome by obeying the will of the majority of my customers. |
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Posted: 4/12/2010 3:57:56 AM EST
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Lots more active litigating queers than there are gun owners, and they're in the right legally anyway. We're actually more hated than queers these days. Kinda tells ya somethin don't it? it tells me that being "out and proud" works a lot better then people here continually insist it will. it also tells me that pushing for the "extreme" in the face of popular opinion will indeed secure victories, whereas sitting back and being as compliant as possible so as not to "scare the sheeple" will yield only slow defeat. |
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Posted: 4/12/2010 4:07:31 AM EST
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For this type of policy to make sense to the morons in this country serves to point out how brainwashed and brain dead most of the sheeple are.
We need to coddle criminals more also.
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Posted: 4/12/2010 4:09:25 AM EST
[#19]
It's a reasonable decisions and response by Fuddruckers.
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Posted: 4/12/2010 4:21:00 AM EST
[#20]
i dont know, this sign or statement wouldnt dtop me from carying and going to fudruckers,
people are such sheep, i mean seriously who cares, |
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Posted: 4/12/2010 4:27:37 AM EST
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i dont know, this sign or statement wouldnt dtop me from carying and going to fudruckers, people are such sheep, i mean seriously who cares, People who respect the rights of property owners... |
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Posted: 4/12/2010 4:30:40 AM EST
[#22]
I'm out...like their food but fuck them.
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Posted: 4/12/2010 4:47:01 AM EST
[#23]
Never been to one.
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Posted: 4/12/2010 4:51:21 AM EST
[#24]
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By enforcing its no-weapons policy,
Fuddruckers is enforcing its rights as a private business to create the sort of dining environment we believe best suits and appeals to all or the majority of our guests. OP, you should ask her if they eject police for open carrying in their restaurants then. If they have a 'no-weapons policy' and don't refuse police as well as citizens, that is selective enforcement and discrimination. What is good for the Goose is good for Gander. I know for certain that they do NOT eject police for open carrying, even when off duty, as I was just in one last week OC'ing with my gun/badge/mag and was never given 2 seconds glance. Sorry fellas.
ETA: FWIW, I carry 90% of the time when I'm off, as I live where I work, and know a LOT of people that I've arrested, and you really never know when you run into them again and if they hold a grudge. I have never been asked to remove my weapon except for one time in a federal building, and even then the guard was exceptionally cool about it. |
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Posted: 4/12/2010 4:58:27 AM EST
[#25]
Their food is really bad anyway, no loss.
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Posted: 4/12/2010 5:05:29 AM EST
[#26]
I emailed them and told them they have lost my business.
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Posted: 4/12/2010 5:20:29 AM EST
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Never been to one. It's good food, but I'd much rather spend my money in places that don't make me unwelcome for carrying a gun. |
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Posted: 4/12/2010 5:21:59 AM EST
[#28]
respecting property owners rights, lol, i guess if we say a sign that said no blacks or gays, we would be ok with respecting those wishes,
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Posted: 4/12/2010 5:23:41 AM EST
[#29]
Concealed means concealed.
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Posted: 4/12/2010 5:24:20 AM EST
[#30]
Weird. My dining experiences are bettered when I know I'm eating with a ton of armed friends.
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Posted: 4/12/2010 5:25:12 AM EST
[#31]
It's their restaurant...they can do what they want. If you don't like it ....don't eat there.
The key here is "concealed". If nobody sees it.....nobody is every going to know. |
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Posted: 4/12/2010 5:25:35 AM EST
[#32]
There is a Fuddruckers close to me in Knoxville. Me and the missus went there to eat not long ago. I saw the "No weapons" sign. When I was met at the door I politely told them I couldn't eat there as they wouldn't honor my carry permit. The manager of the Firehouse Subs next door said he would. Me and the missus walked next door and ate there instead.
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Posted: 4/12/2010 5:26:29 AM EST
[#33]
I dont have OC or CCW by the nearest Fuddruckers to me which is in IL. Even if IL did I would still eat there. Its not a big deal.
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Posted: 4/12/2010 5:28:16 AM EST
[#34]
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Concealed means concealed. agreed, but in this case it means supporting a company that discriminates against gun owners. they are free to enact any policy they want. i'm free to vote with my wallet. |
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Posted: 4/12/2010 5:32:39 AM EST
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Concealed means concealed. agreed, but in this case it means supporting a company that discriminates against gun owners. they are free to enact any policy they want. i'm free to vote with my wallet. The red bit |
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Posted: 4/12/2010 5:33:30 AM EST
[#36]
Quoted: respecting property owners rights, lol, i guess if we say a sign that said no blacks or gays, we would be ok with respecting those wishes, If a property owner wishes to ban black and/or gays from their business, then yes, I believe they should have the right to do so. Private property is one of the closest held concepts (or used to be, at least) here in the United States. |
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Posted: 4/12/2010 5:35:11 AM EST
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It's ok. The Fuddruckers in NW Arkansas didn't last much longer than a year. Shitty food and shitty service.
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Posted: 4/12/2010 5:35:15 AM EST
[#38]
Fuck 'em. I'd rather eat at Five Guys anyway.
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Posted: 4/12/2010 5:35:34 AM EST
[#39]
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I'm really surprised to hear this kind of drivel coming from a Texas company. Serious, no snark. It's Austin. No longer has the "spirit of Texas" in it IMHO |
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Posted: 4/12/2010 5:41:50 AM EST
[#40]
Fuddruckers = shit food anyways.
I've been boycotting them for their incompetence in food engineering for a while. This just adds another reason to never eat that crap again. |
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Posted: 4/12/2010 5:42:30 AM EST
[#41]
As far as I know (and from a cursory Google search), most Fuddruckers aren't "30.06" posted in Texas, so you're good to go - concealed. Fuck 'em. If you want a burger from a Fuddruckers in Texas (which I haven't in years), go on in. Concealed means concealed. I jump through hoops to follow the laws to carry my gun. If they want to prevent me from doing so, they need to follow the law. That being said, they are on my "no-eat" list now. As for open carry states, sorry. Vote with your pocketbook. ETA: There should be a firemission. Nothing like a few hundred e-mails in Adrianna's mailbox to get a point across. If they wish to solidify their position against legal gun possession in their restaurants, I will solidify my position against eating there. ETA2: It's a form letter. I found the same letter posted by a handful of people on several different gun-related forums. ETA3: (sorry) http://edsfiles.us/audio/fudds.mp3 - A man records his call to a Fuddruckers district manager regarding being asked to leave for carrying. -p. |
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Posted: 4/12/2010 5:44:05 AM EST
[#42]
Can't believe I'm the first...
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Posted: 4/12/2010 5:44:29 AM EST
[#43]
Don't really give a shit about those rules, concealed is concealed.
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Posted: 4/12/2010 5:44:40 AM EST
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If you live in a free state then....
concealed means concealed. |
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Posted: 4/12/2010 5:45:35 AM EST
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I'm really surprised to hear this kind of drivel coming from a Texas company. Serious, no snark. It's Austin. No longer has the "spirit of Texas" in it IMHO Plenty of gun-friendly places here in Austin. This is seems like a corporate decision. |
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Posted: 4/12/2010 5:45:49 AM EST
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respecting property owners rights, lol, i guess if we say a sign that said no blacks or gays, we would be ok with respecting those wishes, If a property owner wishes to ban black and/or gays from their business, then yes, I believe they should have the right to do so. Private property is one of the closest held concepts (or used to be, at least) here in the United States.
I think the issue is about consistency of public policy. We, as a society (and enforced by present law), are NOT OK with discrimination based on color of the skin or sexual preference. However, society as a whole (and the law) is OK with discriminating against a group of people exercising God-given Constitutional rights? No consistency at all. |
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Posted: 4/12/2010 5:52:00 AM EST
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I'm really surprised to hear this kind of drivel coming from a Texas company. Serious, no snark. It's Austin. No longer has the "spirit of Texas" in it IMHO Last month's Austin ARFCOMers dinner was at Fuddrucker's. I do not recall seeing any "no guns" signage or any kind, ghostbusters or 30.06. 
As for Austin, plenty of decent gun stores (including EBR only shops). I hear the Travis County Sheriff will sign off on NFA items too. |
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Posted: 4/12/2010 5:53:05 AM EST
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Give 'em a Fuddrucker in their Rudd-fucking mouths. Eat somewhere else.
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Posted: 4/12/2010 5:54:32 AM EST
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respecting property owners rights, lol, i guess if we say a sign that said no blacks or gays, we would be ok with respecting those wishes, If a property owner wishes to ban black and/or gays from their business, then yes, I believe they should have the right to do so. Private property is one of the closest held concepts (or used to be, at least) here in the United States.
I think the issue is about consistency of public policy. We, as a society (and enforced by present law), are NOT OK with discrimination based on color of the skin or sexual preference. However, society as a whole (and the law) is OK with discriminating against a group of people exercising God-given Constitutional rights? No consistency at all. The way they see it they're being consistent. Guns are seen as impolite, dirty, evil and mean, and the people that use them (except in uniform) get tarred with the same brush. That's what pisses me off so much when it happens. It's based on a totally mistaken impression, mixed with bad logic and bigotry. Grumble grumble. |
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Posted: 4/12/2010 6:39:09 AM EST
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Lots more active litigating queers than there are gun owners, and they're in the right legally anyway. We're actually more hated than queers these days. Kinda tells ya somethin don't it? it tells me that being "out and proud" works a lot better then people here continually insist it will. it also tells me that pushing for the "extreme" in the face of popular opinion will indeed secure victories, whereas sitting back and being as compliant as possible so as not to "scare the sheeple" will yield only slow defeat. Best post in the thread. |
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