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Posted: 7/14/2022 9:58:03 PM EDT
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The bad guys lawyers filed a R.41 dismissal. In Ohio that means they have 1 year to start it all over again, but as of today it's over.
This entire thing was a bullshit bluff all along. We called them on it and didn't offer a penny in settlement. They knew they would never win at trial so they quit. They can refile, but their lawyers know its a lost cause and, and I can't imagine any other lawyers will want to pick this up and expect a different outcome. Thanks for all the support, it's been a wild ride, and fortunately the bad guys lost. To better understand how bad the trial would have gone for them read this - parents depositions. Imagine my attorneys cross examining them in front of a jury! Document Dump of the process Timeline June, 2 2020 link A Lucas County Common Pleas Court Judge grants a Restraining Order against Jerry Zohn as a result of a motion submitted by his wife's attorney which states " violence that occurred between them". Morning July, 2 2020 - link Allison and Jerry conspire to commit a felony when Allison asks Jerry buy a gun in his name for her and she'll give him the money, because she said she was a prohibited person due to being in a mental institution. Afternoon July, 2 2020 link Allison and Jerry follow through with the felony act and Jerry buys a .22 Ruger Wrangler Revolver which he gives to Allison. July, 7 2020 link Jerry(lives with a friend while going through a divorce) and Allison(lives with her parents) spend the night in a hotel 67 miles from their homes. Allison told her mom she "had her own hotel room". Jerry said they stayed in the same room, but in separate beds. July, 8 2020 link Allison kills herself using the revolver Jerry bought. July, 29 2020 link Detective Albright STPD speaks with the owner of ADCO Firearms and states Allison used the gun Jerry bought to kill herself. July, 30 2020 link to video Jerry Zohn is interviewed by Detective Albright STPD May, 27 2021 Jerry Zohn is indicted federally for lying on the 4473 June, 22 2021 link Jerry Zohn is arrested by ATF. August 24 2021 link Jerry Zohn files for bankruptcy October, 5 2021 Jerry Zohn pleads guilty in federal court to Counts 1 of the Indictment and is convicted under 18:922(A)(6) October, 14 2021 link Allison’s parents hire a Toledo law firm and open the estate to sue Jerry for wrongful death, but are told he has no insurance, so there is nothing they can put their hands on. March, 18 2022 Jerry Zohn is Sentenced for a term of 10 months Home Incarceration as to Count One of the Indictment; to serve 2 years supervised release and to pay $100.00 special assessment June, 22 2022 link Plaintiffs who "opposes citizens having firearms" hire a law firm from Columbus who is a spotlight donor to the Brady Campaign to sue ADCO July, 6 2022 link Allison’s parents file against ADCO firearms for wrongful death September, 9 2022 link Why you ask? In the plaintiff's words - link 1 link 2 Allisons parents through the Toledo law firm close the estate stating they are no longer pursuing a wrongful death claim. October 27, 2022 Jerry Zohn Deposition - Zohn didn't show up. December 19, 2022 Deposition link Jerry Zohn Deposition January 12, 2023 Trial scheduled for January 30, 2024 January 19, 2023 link Parents(plaintiffs) Deposition February 20, 2023 Steve Thompson Deposition - Plaintiff cancels deposition at last minute. March, 17 2023 link ADCO files motion to dismiss because the Estate was closed by the plaintiff on 09/09/2022 March, 20 2023 My insurance company of 20yrs and zero claims drops me. March, 28 2023 Plaintiffs reopen the estate. May, 4 2023 New insurance is acquired but at a 500% increase due to the open claim. June 5, 2023 Steve Thompson Deposition - Plaintiff cancels deposition at last minute. June 30, 2023 New Trial Date May 21 2024 July 21, 2023 Plaintiffs send settlement demand letter, state that their expert testimony will establish ADCO recklessly... August 9, 2023 Deposition Link Steve Thompson Deposition August 10, 2023 What a bold bluff! The settlement demand letter is rejected by defendant. October, 9 2023 Plaintiff Expert witness reports released. They're a joke. The statements made in the demand letter regarding said "experts" was a BLUFF. They have nothing. October 19, 2023 Judge denies motion to dismiss and states the closing of the estate was a mistake of the court. December 22, 2023 Summary Judgment Motion January 4, 2024 Suicide Expert witness deposition - try to read THIS without laughing at the absurdity. January 19, 2024 Firearms Expert, Expert witness deposition - try to read this and this without laughing at this hack. Present Day They have yet to produce a single piece of evidence to contradict my statement to Detective Albright that there were no indications they were attempting to make a straw purchase. |
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Originally Posted By KB7DX: I watched Jerry's interview. Seems to me Jerry knew exactly what he was doing was wrong but let it happen for a piece of tail. Even though he denies it. View Quote Did you notice that Jerry who hadn't heard from Allison in 3 weeks, responded "OK" when the detective said he wanted to talk about Allison? 15 minutes later when the detective mentions the gun, Jerry asks if there's a problem with the gun? He never asks if Allison is OK. Gotta wonder what she did to him in the hotel that night, that she killed herself the next morning. The Jury will see that video. There is nothing sympathetic or honest about that piece of shit old man. |
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I'm no good at telling people what they want to hear when I dont believe it myself :)
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I listened to it all. Jerry knew what was going on especially with all his
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Originally Posted By bigbore: Received the gun experts transcript today. He was given 2 versions of the same event and he chose to believe the version that supports the people who paid him. He's a real expert to question my 20+ years behind a gun counter of retail sales. I can't wait until hes either removed, or his deposition is made public so so I can publish it and he can receive the love he deserves. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/12678/expert-3126840.jpg View Quote Well, I hold myself as pretty much expert in everything. It will be interesting to see what area (if any) the Court deems him to be an expert since he is so obviously full of shitake and should be easily challenged and impeached. |
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Originally Posted By bigbore: Received the gun experts transcript today. He was given 2 versions of the same event and he chose to believe the version that supports the people who paid him. He's a real expert to question my 20+ years behind a gun counter of retail sales. I can't wait until hes either removed, or his deposition is made public so so I can publish it and he can receive the love he deserves. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/12678/expert-3126840.jpg View Quote No mention about FFLs and what require, nothing about mental health. I own a monkey wrench and consider myself an expert in EVERYTHING What a joke |
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Originally Posted By bigbore: Received the gun experts transcript today. He was given 2 versions of the same event and he chose to believe the version that supports the people who paid him. He's a real expert to question my 20+ years behind a gun counter of retail sales. I can't wait until hes either removed, or his deposition is made public so so I can publish it and he can receive the love he deserves. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/12678/expert-3126840.jpg View Quote What do those qualifications have to do with straw purchases? |
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"What areas do you consider yourself to be an expert in?"
"I am an expert in prostitution. I whore my integrity and reputation to whomever pays." |
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Originally Posted By bigbore: None at all. He's literally just making blanket statements that I'm a liar and Zohn is telling the truth based 100% on our deposition testimony, and no other research or interviews. Some people will do anything for a buck. View Quote He should move to Tijuana and appear in donkey shows. That would be far more honorable that what he does now.... |
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Originally Posted By ParityError: "What areas do you consider yourself to be an expert in?" "I am an expert in prostitution. I whore my integrity and reputation to whomever pays." View Quote Self-proclaimed expert..... It is weird. I have never had a court allow me to just make myself an expert. |
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I'm no good at telling people what they want to hear when I dont believe it myself :)
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I predict a severe Zumbo-ing after everything is public record.
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Is the judge letting this wind on in the hopes that the lawyers will give in and settle?
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Originally Posted By Max429: Is the judge letting this wind on in the hopes that the lawyers will give in and settle? View Quote As it has been explained to me. 1. Judges want all civil suits to settle. 2. Judges hate dismissing civil suits. 3. Judges hate civil trials because they take time and resources away from their criminal trials. If the judge understood the law, this case would have been dismissed months ago after the improper nunc pro tunc order was used to reopen the closed estate. |
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I'm no good at telling people what they want to hear when I dont believe it myself :)
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Lawyer: And on what grounds can you show you’re an expert on these topics?
Dufus: Cuz I said so. Duh. |
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Originally Posted By cap6888: Lawyer: And on what grounds can you show you’re an expert on these topics? Dufus: Cuz I said so. Duh. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By cap6888: Lawyer: And on what grounds can you show you’re an expert on these topics? Dufus: Cuz I said so. Duh. Rule 702. Testimony by Expert Witnesses A witness who is qualified as an expert by knowledge, skill, experience, training, or education may testify in the form of an opinion or otherwise if the proponent demonstrates to the court that it is more likely than not that: (a) the expert’s scientific, technical, or other specialized knowledge will help the trier of fact to understand the evidence or to determine a fact in issue; (b) the testimony is based on sufficient facts or data; (c) the testimony is the product of reliable principles and methods; and (d) the expert's opinion reflects a reliable application of the principles and methods to the facts of the case. Even if he were qualified, I don't believe his "opinion" that he believes one person over another is the opinion the court is looking for from an expert. I believe that's the jurys job. |
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I'm no good at telling people what they want to hear when I dont believe it myself :)
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Originally Posted By bigbore: OK, last one. This is too good. When this transcript is published it's going to be a MEME generator. Do you remember back to the previous page with his resume? Owner & Director of Training - Jade Dragon Martial Arts Academy 1975 - 2012 - USA / Canada (Martial Artist since 1965) In his deposition the subject of the "experts" education was brought up. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/12678/honorary-3127750.jpg The dude talks about his "Honorary Degree". That he gave to himself! How can anyone take this clown serious in this case?!! View Quote I'm sorry, I was laughing at this, but you can't make this shit up. |
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Originally Posted By bigbore: OK, last one. This is too good. When this transcript is published it's going to be a MEME generator. Do you remember back to the previous page with his resume? • Owner & Director of Training - Jade Dragon Martial Arts Academy 1975 - 2012 - USA / Canada (Martial Artist since 1965) In his deposition the subject of the "experts" education was brought up. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/12678/honorary-3127750.jpg The dude talks about his "Honorary Degree". That he gave to himself! How can anyone take this clown serious in this case?!! View Quote Dude, At this point Ashton Kutcher is going to jump into the court room and yell "YOU'VE BEEN PUNKED" and everyone will start laughing. |
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Originally Posted By bigbore: OK, last one. This is too good. When this transcript is published it's going to be a MEME generator. Do you remember back to the previous page with his resume? • Owner & Director of Training - Jade Dragon Martial Arts Academy 1975 - 2012 - USA / Canada (Martial Artist since 1965) In his deposition the subject of the "experts" education was brought up. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/12678/honorary-3127750.jpg The dude talks about his "Honorary Degree". That he gave to himself! How can anyone take this clown serious in this case?!! View Quote Holy shit. You can't make this stuff up. Honorary degree he awarded to himself? WTF, over? |
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Originally Posted By ParityError: Holy shit. You can't make this stuff up. Honorary degree he awarded to himself? WTF, over? View Quote Someone at the bad guys law firm has to be reading that transcript and asking, "Who the fuck found this moron, and why are we paying him $200 an hour?" All I can imagine is they did a lot of shopping around looking for a real expert, but they all said no. This moron was the bottom of the bucket. |
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I'm no good at telling people what they want to hear when I dont believe it myself :)
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Originally Posted By bigbore: Someone at the bad guys law firm has to be reading that transcript and asking, "Who the fuck found this moron, and why are we paying him $200 an hour?" All I can imagine is they did a lot of shopping around looking for a real expert, but they all said no. This moron was the bottom of the bucket. View Quote Nobody with n IQ exceeding that of canned cling peaches would support their position. Hence, this jackwagon. |
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“ If you rat on the Parade of Hope, you'll be lucky to find your toenails. These guys are the roughest of all the charities.” |
Originally Posted By bigbore: OK, last one. This is too good. When this transcript is published it's going to be a MEME generator. Do you remember back to the previous page with his resume? • Owner & Director of Training - Jade Dragon Martial Arts Academy 1975 - 2012 - USA / Canada (Martial Artist since 1965) In his deposition the subject of the "experts" education was brought up. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/12678/honorary-3127750.jpg The dude talks about his "Honorary Degree". That he gave to himself! How can anyone take this clown serious in this case?!! View Quote Pretty common. I was hit up to help with contract work for a new cyber security firm. Gave him all the info and agreed on the contract. They then gave me new certifications based upon their company. I now have all these new levels of made up certs and he sent me 6 separate framed certs to hang in my man room. He then asked me to add them all to my resume |
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has this guy been attributed as an expert in other civil firearm cases?
if he has been recognized as an expert before by multiple other courts, getting him out may be harder then you think. |
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Wow, what a maroon. (The "expert")
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Originally Posted By Jmo371: has this guy been attributed as an expert in other civil firearm cases? if he has been recognized as an expert before by multiple other courts, getting him out may be harder then you think. View Quote He said he's been deposed 4 times for 3 cases. No idea what those cases were. He said he's never testified in a straw purchase case before. Even if he's not removed - He brings nothing to hurt me to the stand and his cross examination will be entertaining. |
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I'm no good at telling people what they want to hear when I dont believe it myself :)
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Originally Posted By bigbore: As it has been explained to me. 1. Judges want all civil suits to settle. 2. Judges hate dismissing civil suits. 3. Judges hate civil trials because they take time and resources away from their criminal trials. If the judge understood the law, this case would have been dismissed months ago after the improper nunc pro tunc order was used to reopen the closed estate. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By bigbore: Originally Posted By Max429: Is the judge letting this wind on in the hopes that the lawyers will give in and settle? As it has been explained to me. 1. Judges want all civil suits to settle. 2. Judges hate dismissing civil suits. 3. Judges hate civil trials because they take time and resources away from their criminal trials. If the judge understood the law, this case would have been dismissed months ago after the improper nunc pro tunc order was used to reopen the closed estate. Since ~95% of civil cases are settled, the entire system isn't setup to deal with very many that don't. Civil plaintiffs and defendants don't have a 6th amendment/federal speedy trial act, so they're always disliked in terms of docket scheduling. It sucks a lot to be right in a civil case, but not right enough for a case to go to trial and win, and that's still a likely outcome for OP. |
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Originally Posted By bigbore: OK, last one. This is too good. When this transcript is published it's going to be a MEME generator. Do you remember back to the previous page with his resume? • Owner & Director of Training - Jade Dragon Martial Arts Academy 1975 - 2012 - USA / Canada (Martial Artist since 1965) In his deposition the subject of the "experts" education was brought up. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/12678/honorary-3127750.jpg The dude talks about his "Honorary Degree". That he gave to himself! How can anyone take this clown serious in this case?!! View Quote Attached File |
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Originally Posted By bigbore: Hopefully, this court won't either. But the way its been going it wont surprise me. View Quote I have pretty in depth knowledge of some systems that end up in court a lot. I refuse to allow my company or anyone to call me an expert in anything related to what i do specifically so I don’t have to go testify in court. It baffles me how arbitrarily someone will slap themselves with the label expert and want to wear it with pride. I would hate to be found fraudulent on the stand and have a court document stating I am in fact a du**a$$ and not an expert lol. Destroy this “expert.” |
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Originally Posted By p3590: It sucks a lot to be right in a civil case, but not right enough for a case to go to trial and win, and that's still a likely outcome for OP. View Quote It's the insurance company's decision but I'm pretty sure at this point mine will be one of the 5% that go to trial. |
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I'm no good at telling people what they want to hear when I dont believe it myself :)
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Hmmm... I'm going to bestow an honorary degree in gunsmithing upon myself
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Always blame autocorrect.
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Originally Posted By Leisure_Shoot: Hmmm... I'm going to bestow an honorary degree in gunsmithing upon myself View Quote I don't have a problem with that because if your customers dont do any research it's their fault. Someone claiming to be 2nd Amendment supporter passing themselves off as an expert in order to help someone who doesn't believe people should own firearms, and being paid by a lawyer who is a spotlight donor to the Brady Campaign, just makes you shill with zero integrity. |
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I'm no good at telling people what they want to hear when I dont believe it myself :)
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I'll have you know, I advertise on Craigslist. If you can't trust a CL gunsmith, I don't want live on this planet any longer.
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Always blame autocorrect.
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So they're saying she handed you the payment. That should've been a no brainer if a prohibited person tried to buy. They'd be stopped because the NICS check comes before handing over the payment, right?
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Originally Posted By DefMan: So they're saying she handed you the payment. That should've been a no brainer if a prohibited person tried to buy. They'd be stopped because the NICS check comes before handing over the payment, right? View Quote No dealer takes payment until after they get a NICS proceed. Yes, they are saying she handed me the cash. There is no proof she handed me cash. She didn't. Had she handed me a CC with her name that would be different. Had Zohn handed me her CC and I didn't notice her name on it, that would be different. No one can prove who handed what to who. It's all bullshit either way. There is nothing suspicious or "red flag" if someone wants to buy their friend a firearm. In this case an old man with a .22 revolver cowboy gun. It's 100% legit have someone pick out their handgun and then they, being the buyer fill out the 4473 while the other person pays. That's how gift certificates work. |
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I'm no good at telling people what they want to hear when I dont believe it myself :)
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Well its just as fraudulent of a lawsuit as we always thought, who'd have thunk it?
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After reading the zohn Thompson comparison, I am beginning to think zohn is related to FJB, dementia brain. Wanders the store while she does the talking, even that smells like horseshit.
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Originally Posted By Freakinout: Well its just as fraudulent of a lawsuit as we always thought, who'd have thunk it? View Quote Yup. The bad guys libeled me, and defamed my business I spent 20 years building, saying I knowing broke the law in the complaint. Today discovery is over and there is zero evidence to show I did anything civilly or criminally wrong, and yet they still get to say I knowingly violated they law. And when it's all over there is nothing I can do about it, and they they have no worries about being held responsible for the lies they published. |
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I'm no good at telling people what they want to hear when I dont believe it myself :)
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Originally Posted By bigbore: Yup. The bad guys libeled me, and defamed my business I spent 20 years building, saying I knowing broke the law in the complaint. Today discovery is over and there is zero evidence to show I did anything civilly or criminally wrong, and yet they still get to say I knowingly violated they law. And when it's all over there is nothing I can do about it, and they they have no worries about being held responsible for the lies the told. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By bigbore: Originally Posted By Freakinout: Well its just as fraudulent of a lawsuit as we always thought, who'd have thunk it? Yup. The bad guys libeled me, and defamed my business I spent 20 years building, saying I knowing broke the law in the complaint. Today discovery is over and there is zero evidence to show I did anything civilly or criminally wrong, and yet they still get to say I knowingly violated they law. And when it's all over there is nothing I can do about it, and they they have no worries about being held responsible for the lies the told. Broken ass system. This firm should be full of disbarred former attorneys... mcD's needs someone to scrub toilets afterall. Their financial backers should face prison time. |
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I just noticed, they say the only evidence of the sales is Zohn and Thompson's testimony.
Actually - - - The only real evidence of the sale is the 4473 which Zohn lied on when he signed as the actual buyer of the gun.. |
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I'm no good at telling people what they want to hear when I dont believe it myself :)
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Originally Posted By bigbore: I just noticed, they say the only evidence of the sales is Zohn and Thompson's testimony. Actually - - - The only real evidence of the sale is the 4473 which Zohn lied on when he signed as the actual buyer of the gun.. View Quote and that single piece of evidence was used to convict him of a felony. I hope if this somehow goes to trial that point is hammer home. |
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Originally Posted By Freakinout: and that single piece of evidence was used to convict him of a felony. I hope if this somehow goes to trial that point is hammer home. View Quote Do you know what exact statute he was charged under? 18:922(A)(6) for any person in connection with the acquisition or attempted acquisition of any firearm or ammunition from a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector, knowingly to make any false or fictitious oral or written statement or to furnish or exhibit any false, fictitious, or misrepresented identification, intended or likely to deceive such importer, manufacturer, dealer, or collector with respect to any fact material to the lawfulness of the sale or other disposition of such firearm or ammunition under the provisions of this chapter; |
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Originally Posted By bigbore: Do you know what exact statute he was charged under? 18:922(A)(6) for any person in connection with the acquisition or attempted acquisition of any firearm or ammunition from a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector, knowingly to make any false or fictitious oral or written statement or to furnish or exhibit any false, fictitious, or misrepresented identification, intended or likely to deceive such importer, manufacturer, dealer, or collector with respect to any fact material to the lawfulness of the sale or other disposition of such firearm or ammunition under the provisions of this chapter; View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By bigbore: Originally Posted By Freakinout: and that single piece of evidence was used to convict him of a felony. I hope if this somehow goes to trial that point is hammer home. Do you know what exact statute he was charged under? 18:922(A)(6) for any person in connection with the acquisition or attempted acquisition of any firearm or ammunition from a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector, knowingly to make any false or fictitious oral or written statement or to furnish or exhibit any false, fictitious, or misrepresented identification, intended or likely to deceive such importer, manufacturer, dealer, or collector with respect to any fact material to the lawfulness of the sale or other disposition of such firearm or ammunition under the provisions of this chapter; Seems he did all of those things in spades |
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Originally Posted By bigbore: Yup. The bad guys libeled me, and defamed my business I spent 20 years building, saying I knowing broke the law in the complaint. Today discovery is over and there is zero evidence to show I did anything civilly or criminally wrong, and yet they still get to say I knowingly violated they law. And when it's all over there is nothing I can do about it, and they they have no worries about being held responsible for the lies they published. View Quote That IS bullshit. Reputation takes a long time to build. Using the court to tarnish that reputation maliciously SHOULD have consequences. |
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Originally Posted By bigbore: No dealer takes payment until after they get a NICS proceed. Yes, they are saying she handed me the cash. There is no proof she handed me cash. She didn't. Had she handed me a CC with her name that would be different. Had Zohn handed me her CC and I didn't notice her name on it, that would be different. No one can prove who handed what to who. It's all bullshit either way. There is nothing suspicious or "red flag" if someone wants to buy their friend a firearm. In this case an old man with a .22 revolver cowboy gun. It's 100% legit have someone pick out their handgun and then they, being the buyer fill out the 4473 while the other person pays. That's how gift certificates work. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By bigbore: Originally Posted By DefMan: So they're saying she handed you the payment. That should've been a no brainer if a prohibited person tried to buy. They'd be stopped because the NICS check comes before handing over the payment, right? No dealer takes payment until after they get a NICS proceed. Yes, they are saying she handed me the cash. There is no proof she handed me cash. She didn't. Had she handed me a CC with her name that would be different. Had Zohn handed me her CC and I didn't notice her name on it, that would be different. No one can prove who handed what to who. It's all bullshit either way. There is nothing suspicious or "red flag" if someone wants to buy their friend a firearm. In this case an old man with a .22 revolver cowboy gun. It's 100% legit have someone pick out their handgun and then they, being the buyer fill out the 4473 while the other person pays. That's how gift certificates work. |
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