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Posted: 10/7/2023 12:27:25 AM EDT
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Reuters Live Stream LIVE: Gaza skyline changes in real-time after Hamas launched attack on Israel AP Live Stream LIVE | Tel Aviv skyline as Israel orders ‘complete siege’ on Gaza following Hamas attack https://www.youtube.com/@Crannofonix <---- click the live tab, find the stream that is currently going. https://www.youtube.com/@AgendaFreeTV <---- news reporting, look on the live tab to see if he's on. Various streams added to make them easier to find Originally Posted By FlashMan-7k: YMMV, buyer beware, grain of salt - watch out for people posting videos from video games and trying to pass them off as real, also, use reverse image search on images to see if they are new or old and reused. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKTvbOsU99s When the feed goes down, go to the channel and go to the live tab. There is a time limit on how long a livestream can be on YT. https://www.youtube.com/@Crannofonix https://funker530.com/latest/ <--- Occasionally posts guncam footage and the like. These are to twitter channels, replace the nitter.(whatever.. cz, net) with "twitter.com" to get the orignal link. Nitter is a mirroring server for twitter. https://nitter.cz/Jerusalem_Post https://nitter.cz/TimesOfIsrael https://nitter.cz/faytuks?lang=en https://nitter.cz/CitizenFreePres https://nitter.cz/AuroraIntel https://nitter.cz/Global_Mil_Info https://nitter.cz/ELINTNews https://nitter.cz/IntelCrab https://nitter.cz/spectatorindex https://nitter.cz/Osinttechnical https://nitter.cz/sentdefender <---- reportedly not the best source, see if the others verify it first. https://nitter.cz/WarMonitors <---- on the wrong side of the conflict. Here so it's possible to see what's being said on that side. https://nitter.cz/manniefabian <---- times of israel war correspondant. https://nitter.cz/EndWokeness/ <----- anti-woke account. Has been posting pictures and content of stupidity in the west and the rest of the world https://nitter.cz/TreyYingst <---- fox news war correspondant in the area. A list of nitter mirror sites - they have a habit of going in and out of service from time to time: https://github.com/zedeus/nitter/wiki/Instances#third-party-nitter-services --------------- Joejeeps posted these: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKTvbOsU99s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bm1VYIU3tZc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcPPJqKsTR8 --------------- The below were posted by SIMJEDI: Originally Posted By SIMJEDI: List of live streams. # Agenda-Free TV https://www.youtube.com/@AgendaFreeTV/streams # Al Jazeera English https://www.youtube.com/@aljazeeraenglish/streams # Associated Press https://www.youtube.com/@AssociatedPress/streams # CGTN https://www.youtube.com/@cgtn/streams # Crannofonix (MultiCams) https://www.youtube.com/@Crannofonix/streams # LiveNOW from FOX https://www.youtube.com/@livenowfox/streams # Reuters https://www.youtube.com/@Reuters/streams # Sky News https://www.youtube.com/@SkyNews/streams # Source Global https://www.youtube.com/@SourceGlobal/streams # The Times and The Sunday Times https://www.youtube.com/@TheTimes/streams # YouTube Live (Israel + Palestine + Live Filter Search) https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Israel+%2B+Palestine&sp=EgJAAQ%253D%253D View Quote |
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America is back. An absolute disgrace to see Blinken, Sullivan, Charlie Brown, and Lloyd in charge.
Take the win? Israel needs to remind these morons 150K Israelis can't go home because their homes are under the guns of Iran's proxy in Lebanon. That the Israeli economy, and the world's, is suffering from Iranian The world is how it is, Joe, because cretins like you decided that ideas like "take the win", "quit while you're ahead", would work on a country whose long term goal is world revolution. Attached File |
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"A dying culture invariably exhibits personal rudeness. Bad manners. Lack of consideration for others in minor matters. A loss of politeness, of gentle manners, is more significant than is a riot."
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Originally Posted By michigan66: snip The world is how it is, Joe, because cretins like you decided that ideas like "take the win", "quit while you're ahead", would work on a country whose long term goal is View Quote With the amazing exception of the experiment of the great United States of America. A one time experiment that has been nothing short or miraculous. ETA: I think Israel will do absolutely nothing. Stall. |
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Originally Posted By michigan66: America is back. An absolute disgrace to see Blinken, Sullivan, Charlie Brown, and Lloyd in charge. Take the win? Israel needs to remind these morons 150K Israelis can't go home because their homes are under the guns of Iran's proxy in Lebanon. Thatthe Israeli economy, and the world's, is suffering from Iranian The world is how it is, Joe, because cretins like you decided that ideas like "take the win", "quit while you're ahead", would work on a country whose long term goal is world revolution. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/501718/1000008045-3142935_kindlephoto-156690057-3187552.JPG View Quote One of the big problems I am seeing is many politicians are missing the point of missile defense and what is inherently the intent behind an attack. Allow me to explain. Basically, if any country launched over 200 medium range ballistic missiles, cruise missiles, and attack drones on another country, it means the intent was there to cause great harm to that country. Just because Israel had invested in an ability to mostly nullify that initial attack, does not mean anyone should stand by and say, "Oh well, at least no one got hurt in that, just let it go Israel." Because eventually, you will run out of interceptor missiles, and eventually many of those weapons will hit their targets. What if they were nukes, or filled with chemical warfare agents? Is it then okay to stand by and say, "Oh how terrible!! If only we had a way to defend ourselves!! The politicians would then say: "Well the Israelis would be justified in attacking Iran now after they suffered horrific casualties and lost multiple airbases by an Iranian surprise attack." And this kind of wrong thinking and misuse of defensive capabilities is how you end up escalating to nukes being used. But now, you will see a conventional response by Israel because they defended successfully. They will probably wipe out Iranian ballistic missile production, drone production and their air force. Without escalating to nukes.
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Israel hit the Iranian general in retaliation for 10-07. Last night's attack was in no way warranted.
One would think that Israel has had plans in their book on hitting Iran for a long time. |
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Let us never forget, government has no resources of its own. Government can only give to us what it has previously taken from us.
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Originally Posted By Banditman: Israel hit the Iranian general in retaliation for 10-07. Last night's attack was in no way warranted. One would think that Israel has had plans in their book on hitting Iran for a long time. View Quote Yes, and this would be an opportune time for Israel to eliminate some Iranian problems and threats. They would be solving some of our problems as well. |
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Satellite footage coming in.
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Originally Posted By BM1455:
View Quote Totally worth it, it preserved Israeli air force and military assets. Now how much damage is Israel going to be able to cause Iran in billions of dollars when they retaliate is the question.
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Because Ain Al Assad was an arrangement and we did not use defensive measures. |
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View Quote Careful when trying to keep score. There were reportedly many nations involved and we don’t know all of the systems used. |
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The IDF says fighter jets struck Hezbollah targets in four different areas of southern Lebanon:
“Together with our partners, the IDF is operating at full force to defend the State of Israel—and the people of Israel. This is a mission that we are determined and ready to fulfill.” IDF Spokesperson RAdm. Daniel Hagari on the current attack from Iran: Incredible footage showing Israeli air defenses engaging the Iranian missile attack earlier, over Judea and Samaria: The IDF struck sites belonging to Hezbollah's elite Radwan force in southern Lebanon's Jbaa overnight. Iran exposed its true face: |
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including the United States, United Kingdom, Jordan, France, and others. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
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including the United States, United Kingdom, Jordan, France, and others. I believe I saw that the Saudis also knocked down some stuff? Either way, will Iran now lash out at Jordan and Saudi Arabia? They earlier made threats that they would. |
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Jerusalem Post: How the Israeli Air Force can strike Iran
Highlights Israel could hit Tehran's prized nuclear facilities. F-35 stealth combat jets could fly by separate routes to hit sites across the massive Islamic Republic, some as far as 1,200 miles from the Jewish state. A first wave of F-35s would SEAD missions, after which there would...be a separate wave for Israel’s F-15 eagles, F-16 fighting falcons, and heavily loaded F-35s carrying 5,000-pound American GBU-72 bombs. 2,000 pound and smaller bombs might also be used for a variety of targets. Additional waves [could attack targets already hit, using previous damage] to penetrate deep into the ground to destroy Iran’s top nuclear facilities at Fordow and Natanz. The IDF could also potentially use a significant number of its own surface-to-surface ballistic missiles as well as intelligence-collecting and attack drones. Fordow’s main chamber is buried some 80 meters underground, a depth that only the 30,000-pound “bunker buster” bombs in the American arsenal could immediately destroy. ...one does not need to entirely eliminate a facility to render it useless. A repeated series of strikes could block Tehran’s access to electric power, bury its entrances and exits, and cut it off from the world. On the positive side, despite the massive number of aerial attacks by the IDF in Lebanon, Syria, and Gaza, which reportedly also included F-15 and F-16 fighter aircraft at times, Israel lost only one F-16 in early 2018 and has never lost an F-35. ...additional facilities that Israel might strike, such as the heavy water reactor at Arak, the uranium conversion plant near Isfahan, research reactors at Bonab, Ramsar, and Tehran, and other facilities where Iran has moved forward on weaponization issues. In mid 2023, it was..revealed that IDF intelligence formed a new unit of dozens of officers with one goal: to collect and assess intelligence to develop a massive target bank for hitting Iran far beyond just its nuclear program. The targets were to include key power sources for the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps in order to bring them to their knees much the same way IDF intelligence had collected intelligence for years on an enormous number of Hamas and Hezbollah targets. View Quote Entire article in spoiler Click To View Spoiler How the Israel Air Force could bring Iran to its knees - analysis
APRIL 14, 2024 12:27 Iran took its best shot (or a very significant one) at Israel with over 100 ballistic missiles, cruise missiles, and over 100 drones, totaling over 300 forms of aerial attack from many different sides and vectors. What if Israel finally decides to strike back? What if it decides to take this opportunity to finally bomb Iran’s prized nuclear weapons program? Such a scenario has been gamed out for years, but here is one version of what it could look like. Several quartets of F-35 stealth combat jets could fly by separate routes to hit sites across the massive Islamic Republic, some as far as 1,200 miles from the Jewish state. Some of the aircraft might fly along the border between Syria and Turkey (despite those countries' opposition) and then race across Iraq (who would also oppose). Other aircraft might fly through Saudi airspace (unclear if this would be with quiet agreement or opposition) and the Persian Gulf. The main aim would be to eliminate Iran's air defense They might arrive simultaneously or in waves (as Iran did overnight between Saturday and Sunday) to first eliminate the ayatollahs’ air defenses at dozens of Iranian nuclear sites, carefully hand-picked by the Mossad and IDF intelligence. Their job would be to eliminate Iran’s serious air defense shield, a much more sophisticated defense system than anything Lebanon, Syria, or Hamas possesses. Regardless of whether the F-35s came in unison or in waves, there would almost certainly be a separate wave for Israel’s F-15 eagles, F-16 fighting falcons, and heavily loaded F-35s carrying 5,000-pound American GBU-72 bombs. 2,000 pound and smaller bombs might also be used for a variety of targets. There might even be additional waves after that to assist in penetrating deep into the ground to destroy Iran’s top nuclear facilities at Fordow and Natanz. The IDF could also potentially use a significant number of its own surface-to-surface ballistic missiles as well as intelligence-collecting and attack drones. Fordow’s main chamber is buried some 80 meters underground, a depth that only the 30,000-pound “bunker buster” bombs in the American arsenal could immediately destroy. But even under the Trump administration, the US has always refused to provide Israel with such bunker busters. That said, one does not need to entirely eliminate a facility to render it useless. A repeated series of strikes could block Tehran’s access to electric power, bury its entrances and exits, and cut it off from the world. Such an operation might not be free. Iran might succeed at shooting down aircraft. Some aircraft might fail to make the return flight due to fuel issues even if there was some complex midair refueling capability or midway landing spot as part of the plan. On the positive side, despite the massive number of aerial attacks by the IDF in Lebanon, Syria, and Gaza, which reportedly also included F-15 and F-16 fighter aircraft at times, Israel lost only one F-16 in early 2018 and has never lost an F-35. Special forces or Mossad agents in Iran to assist close-up could be lost one way or another. There are also additional facilities that Israel might strike, such as the heavy water reactor at Arak, the uranium conversion plant near Isfahan, research reactors at Bonab, Ramsar, and Tehran, and other facilities where Iran has moved forward on weaponization issues – though these facilities might be a lower priority as they are earlier points in the nuclear weapons cycle. As of mid-2023, it was also revealed that IDF intelligence formed a new unit of dozens of officers with one goal: to collect and assess intelligence to develop a massive target bank for hitting Iran far beyond just its nuclear program. The targets were to include key power sources for the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps in order to bring them to their knees much the same way IDF intelligence had collected intelligence for years on an enormous number of Hamas and Hezbollah targets. Israel might not undertake a huge attack on Iran’s nuclear facilities. If it does, it might not open up the much larger target bank of IRGC targets. Maintaining US and allied support is also a crucial value. On the other hand, the main reason not to attack Iran for years has been the blowback that Jerusalem could receive from Hezbollah, Hamas, and hundreds of drones and ballistic missiles. Being that most of the worst case scenarios have already transpired – and even worse including Yemen who was not viewed as for sure taking part in a theoretical larger war as they have in fact in the current very real war – there would seem to be a lot less of a reason to hold back at this moment than at anytime in decades. |
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"A dying culture invariably exhibits personal rudeness. Bad manners. Lack of consideration for others in minor matters. A loss of politeness, of gentle manners, is more significant than is a riot."
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Originally Posted By treelow: I believe I saw that the Saudis also knocked down some stuff? Either way, will Iran now lash out at Jordan and Saudi Arabia? They earlier made threats that they would. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By treelow: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
including the United States, United Kingdom, Jordan, France, and others. I believe I saw that the Saudis also knocked down some stuff? Either way, will Iran now lash out at Jordan and Saudi Arabia? They earlier made threats that they would. They'll get the Houthis to do it, if they still have the capability. Same with Jordan, they'll have their Iraqi mercenaries handle that. I wouldn't be surprised to see "martyrdom operations", initially in the Greater Middle East with the option to expand if necessary. Need to pay special attention to the Western Hemisphere-- I doubt they'd hit the US directly, but hitting targets in Latin America is a not so subtle reminder to the US that Tehran and friends can project power in our backyard. There is precedent, attacks in Buenos Aires in 1992 and 1994, and an attack in Panama in 1994 shortly after the bombing in BA. |
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"A dying culture invariably exhibits personal rudeness. Bad manners. Lack of consideration for others in minor matters. A loss of politeness, of gentle manners, is more significant than is a riot."
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: One of the big problems I am seeing is many politicians are missing the point of missile defense and what is inherently the intent behind an attack. Allow me to explain. Basically, if any country launched over 200 medium range ballistic missiles, cruise missiles, and attack drones on another country, it means the intent was there to cause great harm to that country. Just because Israel had invested in an ability to mostly nullify that initial attack, does not mean anyone should stand by and say, "Oh well, at least no one got hurt in that, just let it go Israel." Because eventually, you will run out of interceptor missiles, and eventually many of those weapons will hit their targets. What if they were nukes, or filled with chemical warfare agents? Is it then okay to stand by and say, "Oh how terrible!! If only we had a way to defend ourselves!! The politicians would then say: "Well the Israelis would be justified in attacking Iran now after they suffered horrific casualties and lost multiple airbases by an Iranian surprise attack." And this kind of wrong thinking and misuse of defensive capabilities is how you end up escalating to nukes being used. But now, you will see a conventional response by Israel because they defended successfully. They will probably wipe out Iranian ballistic missile production, drone production and their air force. Without escalating to nukes.
View Quote In other words, it was a success for Israel but not because Iran didn't try. Iran could have taken steps to maximize the damage: wait to launch drones until missiles already on their way. Hit fewer targets with more missiles to saturate defense systems. Launch from Lebanon. |
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IDF Spokesman Rear Adm. Daniel Hagari in this morning's press conference: “Iran thought it would be able to paralyze the base and thus damage our air capabilities, but it failed. Air Force planes continue to take off and land from the base, and leave for offense and defense missions, including the Adir (F-35) planes that are now returning from a base defense mission and soon you will see them landing.”
The IDF confirms carrying out an airstrike earlier today in the Nabi Chit area, near northeastern Lebanon's Baalbek. As the IDF continues a pinpoint operation against Hamas in the central Gaza Strip, the military says combat engineers built bridges for tanks to cross the Wadi Gaza river. |
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The exoatmospheric intercept that magically happened to be caught on video was a show and tell.
The capability was known, but confirmation changes the equation. |
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Originally Posted By mbinky: https://i.postimg.cc/DZBLdwnP/temp-Imagenpw-Xx9.avif View Quote That is an awesome capability. |
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Mid course defense works folks.
- Serial configuration (three letters - dot - A - number) similar to Emads previously seen. - Arrangement of cable raceway, fuel port and serial similar. - Thin metal sheeting consistent with liquid propellant tanks rather than solid motor casings. View Quote
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Iran attack: What happened, how successful was it and... what happens next?
Iran attack: What happened, how successful was it and... what happens next? |
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Correct, and now Iran gets to play catch. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By fike: The exoatmospheric intercept that magically happened to be caught on video was a show and tell. The capability was known, but confirmation changes the equation. Correct, and now Iran gets to play catch. I could be wrong, but it appears based on language and some released videos that they are using this equity to coalition build. That is what Iran fears most and it was the primary catalyst to the Hamas attack. |
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IDF spokesperson comments on Iran's attack on Israel Iran attack: IDF footage allegedly shows interception of Iranian drones |
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Big stuff fired at Israel last night, booster segment that fell in the dead sea.
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Get something to chop it up and sell the pieces on Gunbroker and Ebay. Genuine Eye-Ran missile paperweights. I know I'd be good for a dozen.
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"A dying culture invariably exhibits personal rudeness. Bad manners. Lack of consideration for others in minor matters. A loss of politeness, of gentle manners, is more significant than is a riot."
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Big stuff fired at Israel last night, booster segment that fell in the dead sea.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GLIpdiKWUAEfAQg?format=jpg&name=900x900 View Quote Looks like one of these |
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Originally Posted By realwar: Looks like one of these https://thediplomat.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/sizes/td-story-s-2/thediplomat_2014-02-13_20-52-31.jpg View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By realwar: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Big stuff fired at Israel last night, booster segment that fell in the dead sea.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GLIpdiKWUAEfAQg?format=jpg&name=900x900 Looks like one of these https://thediplomat.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/sizes/td-story-s-2/thediplomat_2014-02-13_20-52-31.jpg Correct, it is a scud derivative, but much improved guidance and a maneuvering re entry vehicle warhead. |
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Originally Posted By fike:I could be wrong, but it appears based on language and some released videos that they are using this equity to coalition build. That is what Iran fears most and it was the primary catalyst to the Hamas attack. View Quote I agree, Israel's better relationship with the Saudis and others is a serious long-term threat to Iran's Islamic revolution. Now let's hope Team Biden doesn't fuck it up. |
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missile defense shield which engaged the incoming ballistic missiles over Israel as well as over neighboring countries. “It was a broad engagement zone.” View Quote |
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Originally Posted By michigan66: Iran was making decent diplomatic strides before October. The Arabian Hillbillies turning the Red Sea into a shooting arcade reminded people--Saudis, UAE, Oman--of their true nature. I agree, Israel's better relationship with the Saudis and others is a serious long-term threat to Iran's Islamic revolution. Now let's hope Team Biden doesn't fuck it up. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By michigan66: Originally Posted By fike:I could be wrong, but it appears based on language and some released videos that they are using this equity to coalition build. That is what Iran fears most and it was the primary catalyst to the Hamas attack. I agree, Israel's better relationship with the Saudis and others is a serious long-term threat to Iran's Islamic revolution. Now let's hope Team Biden doesn't fuck it up. One of the vids I referenced. The IDF released it 15 hours ago. It’s a FWIW, but it’s a new step and direction, Iran Exposed Its True Face |
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
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missile defense shield which engaged the incoming ballistic missiles over Israel as well as over neighboring countries. “It was a broad engagement zone.” Senior government and media pundits who said for years that Aegis BMD wouldn't and couldn't work should be called out and demanded to respond, but they won't. |
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All in all, it was a good training exercise for the Allies.
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Let us never forget, government has no resources of its own. Government can only give to us what it has previously taken from us.
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Originally Posted By Spade: Senior government and media pundits who said for years that Aegis BMD wouldn't and couldn't work should be called out and demanded to respond, but they won't. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Spade: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
missile defense shield which engaged the incoming ballistic missiles over Israel as well as over neighboring countries. “It was a broad engagement zone.” Senior government and media pundits who said for years that Aegis BMD wouldn't and couldn't work should be called out and demanded to respond, but they won't. I agree, I have been fighting them for years. |
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Big stuff fired at Israel last night, booster segment that fell in the dead sea.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GLIpdiKWUAEfAQg?format=jpg&name=900x900 View Quote Every time I see one of these pictures I wonder what productive piece of equipment could it have been made with the money. I know it's sometimes necessary but Fuck War. Such a waste.. |
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Just a stranger on the bus trying to find his way home.
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Originally Posted By Banditman: Israel hit the Iranian general in retaliation for 10-07. Last night's attack was in no way warranted. One would think that Israel has had plans in their book on hitting Iran for a long time. View Quote One would think you couldn’t bum rush into Israel from Gaza an cause mass chaos like on 10-07. I HOPE Israel has a plan in place but I’m not optimistic |
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Originally Posted By jungatheart: Every time I see one of these pictures I wonder what productive piece of equipment could it have been made with the money. I know it's sometimes necessary but Fuck War. Such a waste.. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By jungatheart: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Big stuff fired at Israel last night, booster segment that fell in the dead sea.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GLIpdiKWUAEfAQg?format=jpg&name=900x900 Every time I see one of these pictures I wonder what productive piece of equipment could it have been made with the money. I know it's sometimes necessary but Fuck War. Such a waste.. Me as well, if they didn't make that stuff we wouldn't have to make a counter for it. |
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