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These terrorists are NOT human. They are blood-thirsty animals. So there are no need to be PCed with them. So I guess the code word is TERMINATION. |
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"To do so here under this topic I think degrades your points completely and is only done to aggitate and anger"
There is more than enough aggitation and anger flowing in this thread. my input is not to encourage that anger, but to slow that momentum.( all downhill IMHO) reality check it if you will. blind rage gets you now where. reason and history does. We do want to win this war, right? Ain't gonna do that with fear and blind anger. Again JMHO Chris |
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why do you turn everything into a campaign rally? |
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So multiple people have asked you to start a separate thread - and it's CLEAR that your postings are NOT "slowing" or reducing the anger, but rather increasing it. And yet you REFUSE to start a separate thread to discuss what may be legitmiate (but tangential) questions. Yeah - I'd say it's pretty clear what you're trying to do, and it's not helpful. |
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Hopeful is exactly what it is.
Chris PS: it has seemed to slow the momentum, has it not? Chris |
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Actually, I think you simply polarized the issue further. You on one side, everyone else on the other. I think DK-Prof and I are the only two that haven't left with the masses. I don't think you or your issues helped slow any momentum. I think you were simply abondoned and just don't know it because you are too busy congratulating youself on a non-existant job well done. People got the point of the thread that Balzac72 intended. That Chechen (Muslim) terrorists delibaeratley targeted innocent children. Period. Their intended goal was to make their targets suffer (no food, no water, etc) and to terrorize them mentally and physically. People here worry that other (Muslim) extremists will take note, follow suit, and begin targeting children here in the US. Your arguments may indeed have valid points. But not here. Again, if you want an honest debate on your arguments, take it to another thread where it can be openly and honestly discussed on its (own) merits. This is not the place however. The point of this thread is what it is. I don't think your "US History in the Middle East" rant even applies here. I also think most people would agree with that statement as well. Your 'argument' was off topic and beyond the scope of this thread. It did nothing but anger people. I don't know why you don't see that. I really don't see how you think US policy applies and somehow helped cause Chechens to target Russian children. |
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Get off my thread personal attack removed. Who brought the war onto US soil by bombing the WTC in the early 90's? Who then flew two more planes into both towers destroying both and killing 3000 people? Who has taken it upon themselves to bomb embassies, foreign offices, churches, synogogues, bars and clubs? personal attack removed. |
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Again, my thread is not going to be HIJACKED by a radical muslim sympathizer. Virginia, you can go personal attack removedstart your own thread. This TRIBUTE thread isn't yours.
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Since your posts are, without exception, lying BS I guess you shouldn't expect anything else. |
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Outright lie. The mujahadeen did NOT become Al Quaeda or the Taliban. SOME few foreign fighters from the mujahadeen gravitated to leaders like Bin Laden, but it was NOT a direct outgrowth of the anti-Soviet forces. And even if you could make the argument that the US helped train some of the people who wound up being Al Quaeda, so the fuck what? We were facing an enemy whose ideology included world conquest and who was armed with thousands of nuclear weapons and we fought them any way we could. To do otherwise would have been fatally stupid.
Idiotic hyperbole. "Most agressive?" Moronic. The Nazi Blitzkrieg that conquered half of Europe might have a claim on that.
Guess they shouldn't have invaded one of our allies, huh? Tough shit.
Also a lie. The US allowed the use of helicopters by the Iraqi government to allow them some means of transportation since the bridges were out. Once the US realized what they were doing with the helicopters, we had already withdrawn our troops from Iraq and everyone was very hesitant to initiate further military actions. Beurocratic inertia delayed action, which was a bad thing, but it was not done to allow Iraq to destroy the uprising.
And yet another lie. The sanctions made exceptions to allow Iraq to sell oil to feed and buy medicine for its people. Instead, Saddam used the money to build palaces. Of course, people like you who want to blame America for all the ills of the world don't usually care much about facts.
Yet another lie. You ASSume that the weapons inspectors were spies, you believe propoganda from Saddam Hussein with absolutely no proof.
Total propagandistic bullshit. You should be ashamed to repost crap like this, but it's pretty obvious you have no shame. |
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And stupid. |
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And all of it is from you. |
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I'd suggest you DO. |
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Wow, I read the first page and then the last. I was going to make a comment on the Russian children, but instead feel like saying "Virginia22, get the hell out of this thread of tribute!". Take it to the DU!
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Virginia22 has been locked by me for the time being. Now let's get back on track here.
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That certainly was a load of socialist drivel, was it not? Anyone with a fair knowledge of the area's history would know that. Just one example of that 'bad' history: Rather than helping Great Britain and France (and Israel) in the Suez Canal Crisis in 1956, President Eisenhower insisted that the Franco-British armies leave the Suez to Egypt! Whoa! What are we doing assisting Nasser on the Suez Canal issue? And blocking the aims of France, Great Britain, and Israel? Hmmmm, someone needs to do their own homework! Eric The(PlayingFastAndLooseWithHistoryBringsNoGood)Hun |
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Not just stupid, simple minded too and a fucking idiot at that. I cannot belive the shit he is posting on this thread . Go back to DU to play your little games |
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Thank you. CH |
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Thank you Wave - |
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Can everyone please listen to him? |
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Holee Buckets of Batshit. |
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Ummm, maybe you need to freshen up on your history and current events. He said all that while looking at 3,000 charred American bodies. I guess if he never would have said that, it wouldn't have happened in the first place...or it wouldn't have been a "religious" conflict?" You are so owned on this one. |
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Thank you Wave. |
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It don't matter to me that they are Russian children they are all innocent in the eye's of God. The
animals need to be stopped NOW! |
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More pics of children and a video of the intensity of fighting and of the victims.
I didn't want to try and link to Ogrish pictures, since they turn into disgusting images, so there is the link. Do not link their pics to this site. Here's the link to their video: VIDEO |
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Balzac,
Thanks for keeping this going. This attack is the most vile thing I can imagine. The fact that it happened to Russians rather than Americans makes no difference. This needs to be a wake-up call. It could happen anywhere. Thanks again. |
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Tears me up too… A child turning to her God to help her in her hour of need… hopefully God was listening ANdy |
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I just told my buddy about two months ago that they would strike us were it would hurt. What is more
important to us than our children....... NOTHING!!!! May they all burn in hell! This is not just a attack on the Russians it is a attack on humanity! |
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Russian Troops Storm School; More Than 100 Killed Includes Video And Images
Sept. 3 (Bloomberg) -- Russian troops stormed a school in the southern town of Beslan, killing terrorists and freeing hundreds of hostages, many of them children, after a three-day siege. More than 100 of the captives died. Aslanbek Aslakhanov, an adviser to President Vladimir Putin, told Interfax that the death toll may be ``much higher'' than 150. Of 20 terrorists killed, 10 came from Arab states, the Russian news service said, citing government officials. The armed group took as many as 1,000 hostages on Wednesday, demanding Russia grant independence to Chechnya. ``We were keeping a dialogue to avoid bloodshed,'' Aslakhanov said. ``We didn't expect this.'' Officials told Interfax the decision to storm the school was taken when terrorists began firing on hostages escaping from the gymnasium. Chechen rebels have attacked Russia three times in 10 days. Two passenger planes crashed Aug. 24 when explosives went off, killing 89 people, and 10 died Monday in a suicide bombing near a Moscow subway station. A group calling itself the Islambouli Brigades, linked by Putin to al-Qaeda, took responsibility for both attacks. A group of 40 children broke out of the school. Terrorists started firing at them, and armed bystanders in turn shot at the hostage-takers, he said. The terrorists responded by detonating a bomb that partly destroyed the roof of the school. Russian soldiers then opened fire at rebels who tried to flee by mingling with the hostages, Andreev told Rossiya television. Some special forces troops also were killed, he said. Three of the terrorists were captured, Sky News reported. More than 60 bodies were identified by relatives, Andreev told Interfax. He declined to comment on the total dead and wounded. More than 640 people were in hospitals as of 9:00 p.m. Moscow time, Pervyi Kanal television reported, many of them wounded by shots in the back. Russia has about 80,000 soldiers in Chechnya, whose separatist movement fell under the influence of Muslim fundamentalists amid Russian brutality toward civilians in a war from 1994 to 1996, when Arab mercenaries joined the conflict. The republic last Sunday elected Alu Alkhanov president in a vote organized by the pro-Putin government to replace Akhmad Kadyrov, who was assassinated in May. Although I suspected it, this is the first that I have heard that some of the 'terrorists' were Arab. |
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Big surprise huh? I dunno if the Chechans would do this alone. It took an Al Qeada mentality to stoop this low. |
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Good thread Balzac. This needs to be seen over and over and over again. May God bless the victims and their families.
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From that article:
'Three of the terrorists were captured, Sky News reported.' There IS a God, indeed! Now, if the Russians have the cojones to do what must be done....this will be the beginning of the end for Chechnyan IslamoFacists. These POSs will wish to Hell that they were at Al Ghraib Prison for certain! Eric The(GetttingDownRightMedievalOnThem)Hun |
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I vow to you all: I will never forget about these wolves, I will never forgive what they have done to you or us, I will stand vigilant my post protecting our freedoms, I will serve until the day I die, I will fight your criticism, and seek to educate you, I will make you understand that freedom is not free, and I will kill without mercy, all those who stand in the way of freedom This is what I am, and this is what I was born to do. Death to Tyrants IO1 |
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I expect the Russians may treat them 'harshly' …not panties on their heads for them… ANdy |
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Ind: Ive been thinking about enlisting heavily, and this incident has cinched my decision for me. Im gonna go talk to the recruiter and enlist at the end of the semester and go fight this enemy, and may the Lord steady my hand on my shots.
John |
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news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3627030.stm
The plight of a mom:
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All I can say is that IF anyone believes that Allah is overjoyed or in the least bit unconcerned about these acts by his followers, then they can also know that Allah has absolutely NOTHING to do with the Lord God revealed in the Old and New Testaments!
Allah is no more the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, than I am! Eric The(Mortal)Hun |
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Edited for personal attack due to a complete misunderstanding.
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That's what I heard. Jesus, those poor kids. How can ANYONE stand there and shoot kids in the back? How can anyone be evil enough to do that? |
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