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Posted: 3/17/2024 9:57:25 PM EDT
I’m a glutton for punishment from gun manufactures. This is the 3rd pistol in 3 years (twice from Colt, now this Glock) that will have to go back to the manufacture, bought new.
Groupings were 8” @ 12 yards using 135gr Nosler and 200gr Montana Bullet Works. Moved COL out, in, tried the full powder charge as recommended by Hodgdon. All were absolute crap groups. Also tried different charges using different COLs. SAAMI: Attached File Glock Perfection. Attached File Attached File |
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Originally Posted By Coffin-Nail: You're posting the dimensions of the cartridge not the chamber which is right there on the same SAAMI page. If you're reloading and don't understand that there's a difference I can't say I'd have much faith in your reloading or judgement. You came into this thread declaring you already know you need to send it back acting like you have evidence, but you really don't. If it'll make you feel better send it back, but you've shown us no real proof. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Coffin-Nail: Originally Posted By rabidus: My two 19s get this: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/170028/IMG_8072_jpeg-3162228.JPG (1 flyer as I got excited on the 5th shot) Recent 1911 load development https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/170028/IMG_9628_jpeg-3162229.JPG I’m not flinching, it does not recoil that much. You're posting the dimensions of the cartridge not the chamber which is right there on the same SAAMI page. If you're reloading and don't understand that there's a difference I can't say I'd have much faith in your reloading or judgement. You came into this thread declaring you already know you need to send it back acting like you have evidence, but you really don't. If it'll make you feel better send it back, but you've shown us no real proof. A sized casing rattles in the chamber more than my two Glock 19s, my friends sig 226. I plunk ammo I reload while reloading to make sure they feed. This chamber feels loose… Never had this bad groups out of any pistol I’ve ever shot. Been shooting/reloading for 20 years. |
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Please send it back and tell them you shot reloads in it. Then let us know how it goes.
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Originally Posted By HBruns: Is the 0.425" dimension the SAMMI max for a loaded round of ammo, or the chamber dimension? A ~0.007" difference is about right for a factory gun. If the ammo and the chamber are the same dimension, you'll never be able to chamber a round. There MUST be clearance or it binds. View Quote Which is begging the question of why one would post the spec for a sized casing and then show a chamber measurement. |
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Originally Posted By NachoDip: Glocks are known for increased reliability. Part of that is having a slightly oversized chamber and some loose tolerances. If you want a match fit. Get a match barrel. Your gun is fine. You’re wasting everyone’s time and should feel bad. If you want a match we can laugh at you because of feeding and reliability issues after we go down that route. You’re also not being consistent with your calipers in how you’re measuring the chamber. I know you’re thinking you’re the genius behind all of the reasons and excuses you have. Reality is you can’t hit shit with it and you’re blaming the tool not the man holding it. View Quote Everybody must be drunk tonight. |
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Originally Posted By BuddyChryst: You can shoot one gun fine and be terrible with another, especially if it’s more powerful with less grip. You can also just have a bad day. A little dehydrated, nerves, who knows. I would shoot from a rest and then have a known competent shooter try to eliminate you as the issue. I would also stop with the reloads. That’s another way of eliminating you as the source of the issue. If it’s still bad after that, go ahead and send it back. But what I’m reading is the reason why manufacturers have you ship back on your dime until they determine if there is an issue. 8” at 12yds really requires something to be seriously wrong, and is much more likely to be end user error. View Quote 10mm is not that powerful. Never felt any pain or discomfort shooting it. Kinda laughed while shooting it how comfortable it felt. My friend also shot it, he was hitting 2ft left while shooting at a target 50 yards away. |
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Originally Posted By rabidus: lol The Colts had chattered bores. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By rabidus: Originally Posted By Kiltakaze: I think the problem is probably the Indian and not the arrow dude. If you’re getting consistently crappy groups from a variety of pistols, you need to shoot more and measure less. lol The Colts had chattered bores. I'll believe that. I've seen them on a few Colts and from a few different manufacturers. Sucks, but I can't imagine whinging about it online or asking for approval to bitch to the mfr. I also have never seen it on a polygonal rifled Glock, so I doubt that's the cause, here. Anyway, I have to see if my old man has a mic. He's got a pocket 10 and I'm curious if he can measure his chamber/groupings before a thread lock. |
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Originally Posted By zephyr: It's a $30 caliper. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Coffin-Nail: Calipers aren't really that precise, you need a mic for real accuracy. Originally Posted By _Matt_: Yeah, this WHEW I was sitting there looking at it. It said Frankfort Arsenal or something, but looked like my cheap one. I thought maybe it WAS a good one and mine was a clone of it, like the first time you see a knockoff bag or shoes. They look a little cocked in the pipe as well. |
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Without known good ammo you have nothing . Read the owners manual. Are you afriad of factory ammo? Maybe your loads and that gun do not work well together.. I would send it back with a sternly worded letter.
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Originally Posted By Never_A_Wick: Which is begging the question of why one would post the spec for a sized casing and then show a chamber measurement. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Never_A_Wick: Originally Posted By HBruns: Is the 0.425" dimension the SAMMI max for a loaded round of ammo, or the chamber dimension? A ~0.007" difference is about right for a factory gun. If the ammo and the chamber are the same dimension, you'll never be able to chamber a round. There MUST be clearance or it binds. Which is begging the question of why one would post the spec for a sized casing and then show a chamber measurement. Watched a YT video of a guy comparing Wolf, KKM, and Glock chambers for his G20 and all had tighter chambers than mine. Not fire, but a lot of smoke. |
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I’ve had a Glock have issues from the factory but this seems really premature given you haven’t even shot factory ammo through it.
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My Springfield lw champion has a much tighter chamber than my loaded but the loaded is much more accurate.
My m625 in .45 colt has chambers cut for .45 colt. That's a bit bigger than .45 acp chambers and yet stacks .45 acp in phenomenal groups. If that gun has an issue I don't think it's the chamber. |
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Measure the OD of the brass case, looks like it could be .425 and as low as .415.
You didn't mention the brass but I would be looking for several brass cases for comparison of OD. I would likely try a couple of different factory ammo's to add to the mix. |
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Do you have anything else chambered in 10mm that you could drop a reloaded round into and see if it wobbles?
I’d also drop in a factory round in the chamber to rule out the possibility of a bad sizing die |
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Originally Posted By rabidus: Watched a YT video of a guy comparing Wolf, KKM, and Glock chambers for his G20 and all had tighter chambers than mine. Not fire, but a lot of smoke. View Quote That doesn’t in any way address what I said. Did he also use a sloppy method to measure them like you did? |
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Not everyone should own guns
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Originally Posted By whiskerz: Without known good ammo you have nothing . Read the owners manual. Are you afriad of factory ammo? Maybe your loads and that gun do not work well together.. I would send it back with a sternly worded letter. View Quote I loaded start to full loads from the Hodgdon reloading manual. Actually, for the 135gr, exceeded the MAX charge by .2grains and had no issues. Started at 9gr and ended up at 10.4gr of CFE pistol. Shot strings at 1.26”, 1.255” and 1.25” COL. Attached File Nosler lists 9.5gr as the most accurate using the same powder. |
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My vote is try some factory ammo that's 180gn or 200gn jacketed or plated. My 40sw and my 10mm does not group well with the lightweight bullets. I have a hunch it's because of the high velocity and small bearing surface of the bullet. I ran into a similar problem loading certain 9mm 115gn jacketed bullets at 1500 fps for my 2011 open gun.
I have also found that Glocks don't group very well shooting hardcast or bullets like what you posted. My 10mm glock shoots one hole groups with 180 or 200gn jacketed bullets but the gun really opens up with my 220gn buffalo bore and 200gn HSM bear loads. The group was 5in at 25 yards. Fine for bear defense but not for hunting with. The fix is getting a barrel with traditional lands and groove rifling like a KKM if you want accuracy with hardcast lead bullets. I have seen the same problem in 3 other glock 10mms and a barrel swap with traditional rifling fixed the accuracy, but YMMV. I have not measured the back of my glock chambers but they don't call it glock bulge for nothing |
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Originally Posted By rabidus: Everybody must be drunk tonight. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By rabidus: Originally Posted By NachoDip: Glocks are known for increased reliability. Part of that is having a slightly oversized chamber and some loose tolerances. If you want a match fit. Get a match barrel. Your gun is fine. You’re wasting everyone’s time and should feel bad. If you want a match we can laugh at you because of feeding and reliability issues after we go down that route. You’re also not being consistent with your calipers in how you’re measuring the chamber. I know you’re thinking you’re the genius behind all of the reasons and excuses you have. Reality is you can’t hit shit with it and you’re blaming the tool not the man holding it. Everybody must be drunk tonight. Maybe, but I know how to check dimensions. Just for shits and giggles I broke down my G23 and measured the chamber ID with my digital caliper. It measures between.431” and .434” depending on depth and orientation. This pistol shoots fine. Unless the chamber ID is grossly over spec it isn’t going to be the difference between a 2” group at 10 yards and an 8” group. |
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Originally Posted By NoPurposeFlour: My vote is try some factory ammo that's 180gn or 200gn jacketed or plated. My 40sw and my 10mm does not group well with the lightweight bullets. I have a hunch it's because of the high velocity and small bearing surface of the bullet. I ran into a similar problem loading certain 9mm 115gn jacketed bullets at 1500 fps for my 2011 open gun. I have also found that Glocks don't group very well shooting hardcast or bullets like what you posted. My 10mm glock shoots one hole groups with 180 or 200gn jacketed bullets but the gun really opens up with my 220gn buffalo bore and 200gn HSM bear loads. The group was 5in at 25 yards. Fine for bear defense but not for hunting with. The fix is getting a barrel with traditional lands and groove rifling like a KKM if you want accuracy with hardcast lead bullets. I have seen the same problem in 3 other glock 10mms and a barrel swap with traditional rifling fixed the accuracy, but YMMV. I have not measured the back of my glock chambers but they don't call it glock bulge for nothing View Quote I ordered a KKM barrel last week but was contemplating sending the pistol to Glock but maybe wait. If the KKM shoots like crap, than it’s me. If it shoots well, I will update this thread. |
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Jesus fuckin christ...
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View Quote Show us your award for shooting a Glock.....or any handgun. I suspect your shooting skills mirror your gunsmithing skills |
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View Quote What’s a rifle qualification test got to do with a handgun? |
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Originally Posted By rabidus: A sized casing rattles in the chamber more than my two Glock 19s, my friends sig 226. I plunk ammo I reload while reloading to make sure they feed. This chamber feels loose… Never had this bad groups out of any pistol I’ve ever shot. Been shooting/reloading for 20 years. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By rabidus: Originally Posted By Coffin-Nail: Originally Posted By rabidus: My two 19s get this: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/170028/IMG_8072_jpeg-3162228.JPG (1 flyer as I got excited on the 5th shot) Recent 1911 load development https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/170028/IMG_9628_jpeg-3162229.JPG I’m not flinching, it does not recoil that much. You're posting the dimensions of the cartridge not the chamber which is right there on the same SAAMI page. If you're reloading and don't understand that there's a difference I can't say I'd have much faith in your reloading or judgement. You came into this thread declaring you already know you need to send it back acting like you have evidence, but you really don't. If it'll make you feel better send it back, but you've shown us no real proof. A sized casing rattles in the chamber more than my two Glock 19s, my friends sig 226. I plunk ammo I reload while reloading to make sure they feed. This chamber feels loose… Never had this bad groups out of any pistol I’ve ever shot. Been shooting/reloading for 20 years. Are you used to Glock factory triggers? It’s probably you or your reloads (you). |
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Why aren't you using pin gauges or 3 point inside hole gauges?
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I would.
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Death to quislings.
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I'm not sure if this thread is haha funny or sad funny.
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I thought Glocks do not have a fully supported chamber to begin with? Cartridges seat on the case mouth.
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Originally Posted By rabidus: lol The Colts had chattered bores. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By rabidus: Originally Posted By Kiltakaze: I think the problem is probably the Indian and not the arrow dude. If you’re getting consistently crappy groups from a variety of pistols, you need to shoot more and measure less. lol The Colts had chattered bores. I train a decent amount of people, mostly new shooters. It’s extremely rare the gun itself is the issue and there is only one common denominator in your case |
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Originally Posted By rabidus: Everybody must be drunk tonight. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By rabidus: Originally Posted By NachoDip: Glocks are known for increased reliability. Part of that is having a slightly oversized chamber and some loose tolerances. If you want a match fit. Get a match barrel. Your gun is fine. You’re wasting everyone’s time and should feel bad. If you want a match we can laugh at you because of feeding and reliability issues after we go down that route. You’re also not being consistent with your calipers in how you’re measuring the chamber. I know you’re thinking you’re the genius behind all of the reasons and excuses you have. Reality is you can’t hit shit with it and you’re blaming the tool not the man holding it. Everybody must be drunk tonight. Were you hoping everyone would agree with you and tell you you’re absolutely right to be concerned? |
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Originally Posted By GreatWaputi: Show us your award for shooting a Glock.....or any handgun. I suspect your shooting skills mirror your gunsmithing skills View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By GreatWaputi: Show us your award for shooting a Glock.....or any handgun. I suspect your shooting skills mirror your gunsmithing skills Never got an award for pistol. I was at MCRD or Pendleton back in ‘08 for an educator workshop. Got to shoot the simulator. It was fun, for the pistol range, one of the Marines asked if I needed a tutorial, told him, “thanks but I got it..” Started shooting, all shots were hitting COM and head shots. Ran 2-3 mags through it and the room got quieter, heads started to turn over, granted, these are teachers so not much to talk about. Got done. Stopped for a second, looked around and the entire room was watching me. A major and a colonel were watching and smiled. 2 young Marines pushed some teachers aside and said, we got this…they shot 1/2 a mag, shot like shit, and moved away from the line. A few people in the room said, “Damn” As I passed the officers, the Major gave me a nod. I don’t shoot competition, I’m sure many can beat me but at the range, I only met 1 other person who could outshoot me with a pistol, he won awards in the Army pistol competition. So I’m no Jerry Miculek by any stretch but I’m also not a slack jawed basement dweller. |
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Originally Posted By Never_A_Wick: What’s a rifle qualification test got to do with a handgun? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Never_A_Wick: What’s a rifle qualification test got to do with a handgun? It was a response to some people should not own guns. |
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Originally Posted By rabidus: Never got an award for pistol. I was at MCRD or Pendleton back in ‘08 for an educator workshop. Got to shoot the simulator. It was fun, for the pistol range, one of the Marines asked if I needed a tutorial, told him, “thanks but I got it..” Started shooting, all shots were hitting COM and head shots. Ran 2-3 mags through it and the room got quieter, heads started to turn over, granted, these are teachers so not much to talk about. Got done. Stopped for a second, looked around and the entire room was watching me. A major and a colonel were watching and smiled. 2 young Marines pushed some teachers aside and said, we got this…they shot 1/2 a mag, shot like shit, and moved away from the line. A few people in the room said, “Damn” As I passed the officers, the Major gave me a nod. I don’t shoot competition, I’m sure many can beat me but at the range, I only met 1 other person who could outshoot me with a pistol, he won awards in the Army pistol competition. So I’m no Jerry Miculek by any stretch but I’m also not a slack jawed basement dweller. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By rabidus: Originally Posted By GreatWaputi: Show us your award for shooting a Glock.....or any handgun. I suspect your shooting skills mirror your gunsmithing skills Never got an award for pistol. I was at MCRD or Pendleton back in ‘08 for an educator workshop. Got to shoot the simulator. It was fun, for the pistol range, one of the Marines asked if I needed a tutorial, told him, “thanks but I got it..” Started shooting, all shots were hitting COM and head shots. Ran 2-3 mags through it and the room got quieter, heads started to turn over, granted, these are teachers so not much to talk about. Got done. Stopped for a second, looked around and the entire room was watching me. A major and a colonel were watching and smiled. 2 young Marines pushed some teachers aside and said, we got this…they shot 1/2 a mag, shot like shit, and moved away from the line. A few people in the room said, “Damn” As I passed the officers, the Major gave me a nod. I don’t shoot competition, I’m sure many can beat me but at the range, I only met 1 other person who could outshoot me with a pistol, he won awards in the Army pistol competition. So I’m no Jerry Miculek by any stretch but I’m also not a slack jawed basement dweller. And then everyone started a slow clap. |
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Originally Posted By StevenH: Are you used to Glock factory triggers? It’s probably you or your reloads (you). View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By StevenH: Originally Posted By rabidus: Originally Posted By Coffin-Nail: Originally Posted By rabidus: My two 19s get this: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/170028/IMG_8072_jpeg-3162228.JPG (1 flyer as I got excited on the 5th shot) Recent 1911 load development https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/170028/IMG_9628_jpeg-3162229.JPG I’m not flinching, it does not recoil that much. You're posting the dimensions of the cartridge not the chamber which is right there on the same SAAMI page. If you're reloading and don't understand that there's a difference I can't say I'd have much faith in your reloading or judgement. You came into this thread declaring you already know you need to send it back acting like you have evidence, but you really don't. If it'll make you feel better send it back, but you've shown us no real proof. A sized casing rattles in the chamber more than my two Glock 19s, my friends sig 226. I plunk ammo I reload while reloading to make sure they feed. This chamber feels loose… Never had this bad groups out of any pistol I’ve ever shot. Been shooting/reloading for 20 years. Are you used to Glock factory triggers? It’s probably you or your reloads (you). Yes. This is my 3rd Glock. Got my first 10 years ago. |
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Originally Posted By Never_A_Wick: What’s a rifle qualification test got to do with a handgun? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Never_A_Wick: What’s a rifle qualification test got to do with a handgun? This. That’s driving a car vs flying a plane dude |
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Test it with factory ammo. Glock won’t be happy with: my hand load doesn’t shoot a tight group - (may void warranty.)
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Originally Posted By crazymoose: Glocks actually have pretty good mechanical accuracy, especially in 10mm and .45. It's just hard to get it out of them due to the triggers. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By crazymoose: Originally Posted By slappomatt: I mean its a pocket 10mm glock. what did you expect? sub moa? Glocks actually have pretty good mechanical accuracy, especially in 10mm and .45. It's just hard to get it out of them due to the triggers. Always been very happy with the accuracy of my Glocks. I don’t bench them often because that’s dumb but I will when I’m zeroing an optic or sights. They group far better than most people would think assuming the shooter doesn’t suck. |
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Federal factory ammo. 25-yards standing unsupported. Unmodified Gen3 Glock 20. First time shooting it. Try. Factory. Ammo. |
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Learn how to shoot.
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Originally Posted By crazymoose: Glocks actually have pretty good mechanical accuracy, especially in 10mm and .45. It's just hard to get it out of them due to the triggers. View Quote Stock Glock triggers are fine. If you can't shoot accurately on a stock glock, your trigger control and press sucks. |
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Nothing in the world fills me with more mirth than reloading tards who continue to claim that a particular gun has a problem because it won't run reliably with their retarded reloads and maintain radio silence when asked how the same gun runs with factory ammo. Because their reloads are SO good, and SO within spec, and SO infallible, and they themselves are of course above reproach in their reloading methods. Bad news; you're a fucking tard. The gun is fine. Sad panda.
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Originally Posted By rabidus: Never got an award for pistol. I was at MCRD or Pendleton back in ‘08 for an educator workshop. Got to shoot the simulator. It was fun, for the pistol range, one of the Marines asked if I needed a tutorial, told him, “thanks but I got it..” Started shooting, all shots were hitting COM and head shots. Ran 2-3 mags through it and the room got quieter, heads started to turn over, granted, these are teachers so not much to talk about. Got done. Stopped for a second, looked around and the entire room was watching me. A major and a colonel were watching and smiled. 2 young Marines pushed some teachers aside and said, we got this…they shot 1/2 a mag, shot like shit, and moved away from the line. A few people in the room said, “Damn” As I passed the officers, the Major gave me a nod. I don’t shoot competition, I’m sure many can beat me but at the range, I only met 1 other person who could outshoot me with a pistol, he won awards in the Army pistol competition. So I’m no Jerry Miculek by any stretch but I’m also not a slack jawed basement dweller. View Quote this is pure gold. and not in the good way that you'll take it also OP: the Office - Go-karting |
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Did OP also verify the twist rate is within acceptable tolerances? That could be just a much a culprit…
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Originally Posted By tct1000: this is pure gold. thank you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZ7ed_ODHNk View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By tct1000: Originally Posted By rabidus: Never got an award for pistol. I was at MCRD or Pendleton back in ‘08 for an educator workshop. Got to shoot the simulator. It was fun, for the pistol range, one of the Marines asked if I needed a tutorial, told him, “thanks but I got it..” Started shooting, all shots were hitting COM and head shots. Ran 2-3 mags through it and the room got quieter, heads started to turn over, granted, these are teachers so not much to talk about. Got done. Stopped for a second, looked around and the entire room was watching me. A major and a colonel were watching and smiled. 2 young Marines pushed some teachers aside and said, we got this…they shot 1/2 a mag, shot like shit, and moved away from the line. A few people in the room said, “Damn” As I passed the officers, the Major gave me a nod. I don’t shoot competition, I’m sure many can beat me but at the range, I only met 1 other person who could outshoot me with a pistol, he won awards in the Army pistol competition. So I’m no Jerry Miculek by any stretch but I’m also not a slack jawed basement dweller. this is pure gold. thank you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZ7ed_ODHNk Yep. Guaranteed new copy pasta. |
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Run into assholes all day, you might be the asshole.
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OP, I'm not going to bag on your shooting skills, I don't think that's the issue. But there is a lot more to accuracy than just the chamber diameter. I think your best bet is to get a match barrel installed. You shoot good enough to get good results with an improved gun.
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Originally Posted By NoPurposeFlour: Stock Glock triggers are fine. If you can't shoot accurately on a stock glock, your trigger control and press sucks. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By NoPurposeFlour: Originally Posted By crazymoose: Glocks actually have pretty good mechanical accuracy, especially in 10mm and .45. It's just hard to get it out of them due to the triggers. Stock Glock triggers are fine. If you can't shoot accurately on a stock glock, your trigger control and press sucks. I shot stock Glock triggers for years, and it definitely made me a better shooter. Then I tried the Glock Performance trigger. Then I never looked back. |
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I'm suspecting we have a sort of Evolution of Squatdog here, OP can't be serious. GD is getting trolled.
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