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Posted: 6/8/2005 5:37:31 PM EDT
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Conceivably, the Jedi fighter is a predecessor to the Tie fighters. I haven't read the books or anything, but I imagine Vader designing improved fighters based on the Jedi design after the rise of the Empire. Just my inner dork thinking. 
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Posted: 6/8/2005 5:40:01 PM EDT
[#2]
Indeed Darth Vader did design the TIE advanced fighter that he flew in Star Wars (A New Hope). |
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Posted: 6/8/2005 5:40:28 PM EDT
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B-Wings Biggest engine, toughest shields, Lasers, Ion blasters, photon torpedoes, and concussion missile launchers. One can kill a capital ship all by itself if you know what you are doing.
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Posted: 6/8/2005 6:07:27 PM EDT
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[triumph]you are virgins living in mom's basement[/triumph]
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Posted: 6/8/2005 6:10:13 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/8/2005 6:12:19 PM EDT
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Gun Star. No other ship comes close.
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Posted: 6/8/2005 6:25:12 PM EDT
[#8]
Dam. You beat me to it. Flesh Gordon's phallic spaceship. Colt_SBR |
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Posted: 6/8/2005 6:30:55 PM EDT
[#9]
Not technically a fighter, but a kick-ass machine in it's later incarnation.
Independance War is (or was) da bomb.  |
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Posted: 6/8/2005 6:47:33 PM EDT
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Either the GTF Hercules Mark II from Freespace 2 or the Valkyrie 2/ SAP from Macross II. |
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Posted: 6/8/2005 6:48:47 PM EDT
[#11]
lmao wow we are really getting into this
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Posted: 6/8/2005 6:52:31 PM EDT
[#12]
I love those details. 
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Posted: 6/8/2005 6:54:00 PM EDT
[#13]
Yep Taylon was an Awesome Fighter/Gunship...He could destroy planets Now that's Firepower |
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Posted: 6/8/2005 6:57:53 PM EDT
[#14]
That was totally my thought as well. It has a real predatory look to it - that just screams "fighter" |
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Posted: 6/8/2005 6:58:11 PM EDT
[#15]
Nah, that A10 of the Star Wars galaxy is the Y-Wing. The B-Wing is the Super Hornet. |
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Posted: 6/8/2005 6:58:35 PM EDT
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The Delta Flyer was a high-speed "hot rod" as Tuvok put it during the design phase. (The Great Race episode was cool.) I don't think I'd call it a fighter although it was the closest thing they had. Likewise the 'Drop Ship' from Aliens was an attack platform, not a fighter. It was still a badass craft though... |
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Posted: 6/8/2005 7:00:33 PM EDT
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Killer sattelites is probably the closest we'll ever come, or need to. As far as fighting in space anyhow. Now earth based fighters breaking into orbit to hit targets on the far side of the planet... |
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Posted: 6/8/2005 7:04:08 PM EDT
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I hate the fighters in Star Trek. ST started out okay with the capitol ships duking it out. It really got around the typically physics issues by having the ships relatively static. But then they tried to appeal to the audience and provide action sequences and got all starfightery. Adding the Defiant to DS9 do deal with the problems of a series based on a space station. The joy stick that popped up on the Enterprise, and Riker had to stand. Who the hell came up with that. "Lets see, Riker is sitting in the chair, and he wants to fly the enterprise, so we'll have him stand up and grab a joystick." Who in their right mind thinks that's a good idea? |
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Posted: 6/8/2005 7:05:33 PM EDT
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The Missile Boat needs an ion cannon, I'd rather have a Gun Boat. I hate dogfighting with rockets. I know you have a huge magazine, but it seems like overkill. |
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Posted: 6/8/2005 7:32:19 PM EDT
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I was going to list prowlers, but they are the kind of thing where you need a group of themto be effective. Talyn could kick the crap out of stuff all by himself. And later, D'argo's ship was turning out to be pretty powerful. Too bad the idiots at scifi canceled the show before they could fully develop what that ship could do. |
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Posted: 6/8/2005 7:35:22 PM EDT
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My votes go to the StarFox ArWing.
That fighter is up there in the tear of my dream fighter (though it defies numerous laws of physics).  My second Vote goes with the A-Wing. Fast, manourvable, sleek and stylish. The A-Wing was basically designed as a high speed attack craft. To my knowledge theTie fighters were faster than the X-wing but the X-Wing was more balanced with weapons, shields and speed, the thing was also a bit bulky. The X-wing could go up with with a star destroyer mainly because of the photon torpedoes, and a good shot to the bridge. The A-Wing was more of a fighter to fighter craft. you could 'thread the needle' (what I call fast attack to confuse) with the A-wing easiler than the X-Wing. The X-wing is my third vote. |
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Posted: 6/8/2005 7:35:23 PM EDT
[#22]
That's "a giant frickin' robot with lasers on it's head" 
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Posted: 6/8/2005 7:57:17 PM EDT
[#23]
Coolest...ship...ever...
 Only in the Xwing vs. Tie Fighter video games do you really have a chance in a fighter attacking a capital ship by yourself. They had to change the power levels of the fighters to make them superior so it would be a fun game to play. I mean, taking on a star destroyer all by yourself in a y-wing sure makes you feel like the best pilot in the world. But in truth, they made the starships shields and weapons far weaker than they should have been and the number of turbolasers was too small. Unless you are Luke Skywalker, going up against a Star Destroyer in an x-wing all alone would be sheer suicide. Also, it is not true that the big globes on top of the ISD are shield generators, but are actually sensor globes. The video games and a book or two got it wrong in that part. Many other official sources state that they are indeed sensor globes. |
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Posted: 6/8/2005 8:20:50 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/8/2005 8:21:41 PM EDT
[#25]
Jedi Starfighter
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Posted: 6/8/2005 8:25:35 PM EDT
[#26]
True. Even better than that would be the USS Promethius -    Multi-Vector Assault mode rules! |
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Posted: 6/8/2005 8:32:15 PM EDT
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The Delta flyer was a nice lookin Star Trek fighter, since it was a fairly capable shuttle craft. However, only one was made.... |
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Posted: 6/8/2005 8:50:55 PM EDT
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That is a very interesting segment when fighters blow up one of the scanner globes on the Executor. Right after that, one of the officers state that the bridge shields are down. This is one of the examples many make for the globes being shield generators. However, remember than at this point most of the rebel fleet was ganging up on the Executor and it has taken heavy fire. The shields were in a weakened state and the act of blowing up a major system like a scanner globe could cause a power surge or spike that may have knocked the generators offline, accounting for the bridge shield failure. It would seem like a very stupid idea to place something critical like a shield generator in a easy to hit target. The globes are in a perfect location for a sensor however, as they have a unobstructed field of view for long range targets and the geodesic shape is very similar to the globes on some radar systems. What is also interesting, is that if this battle had taken place in a region of deep space, destroying the bridge would only disable the starship for only a few moments while backup command centers take over. It was only the proximity to a large gravity source that drew in the ship while it was out of control that caused its destruction. The A-wing crashing into the bridge would have hardly been a fatal hit in most cases. Just like in Episode V, when a star destroyer got hit in the command tower by a big asteroid, and the tower was obliterated. The remaining hull was able to continue on after damage control took over and the ship was able to make it all the way back to a port for repair. |
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Posted: 6/8/2005 8:52:10 PM EDT
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Y-wing or Cylon Raider... memories of 6th grade art projects...
Although that one F-14 looking craft was pretty cool, I never could get into the "Plane-that-becomes-becomes-a-robot-then-turns-into-a-toaster-microwave-or-self-cleaning-litterbox" concept. Battlemechs and such are neat ideas, but a VW Jetta that turns onto a spaceship is a little too far out, even for the Uber-geek realm we're creating now. 
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Posted: 6/8/2005 8:54:37 PM EDT
[#30]
+1 |
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Posted: 6/8/2005 8:59:16 PM EDT
[#31]
Two memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Delta_Flyer_II |
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Posted: 6/8/2005 9:00:04 PM EDT
[#32]
Holy crap I totally forgot about that one! -Storm |
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Posted: 6/8/2005 9:02:03 PM EDT
[#33]
damn gooch you know your shit. i'd have to watch RotS again because i rmemeber seeing some really really cool stuff in that one; especially seeing the progression from the ship kenobi flew in AotC through the ships in RotS and finally the tie fighters. I voted for the X-wing but the rest of the thread got me thinking...
Oh yeah and B-wing is one of the slowest ships in the X-wing series of pc games. i'll take the A-10 reference but the X-wing is definitely the F-15 of the... past. I want to own an A-Wing in real life. |
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Posted: 6/8/2005 9:07:03 PM EDT
[#34]
Another vote for the "UFO Interceptor" from the Gerry Anderson TV show. I guarantee you that no other space fighter EVER had a bigger or badder weapon that that huge, bulbous nuclear missile tacked onto the front of that puppy.
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Posted: 6/8/2005 9:08:22 PM EDT
[#35]
TheCynic and Redhorse have it right. The Hammerhead from Space: Above and Beyond was a great ship.
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Posted: 6/8/2005 9:17:08 PM EDT
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Hmmm. I think in I-War vs. Trek, I-War wins. While the Promethius is engaged in one of its ponderous aircraft-type turns and showing it's ass, the I-Wars frigate is obeying the laws of physics, able to keep it's business end pointed at the Trekkie, supplying generous amounts of anti-matter, plasmas, lasers, chaff, projectiles and missiles. Anyway, I-War in arcade mode is a great space-shooter. In real-physics (at least by our standards today) it's a cool way to get blown away. Matthew |
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Posted: 6/8/2005 9:23:56 PM EDT
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Species 8472's Bioships were pretty awesome too. A group of them to annihilate a planet....
Cant find any good pics of em though. |
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Posted: 6/8/2005 9:40:19 PM EDT
[#38]
GOOD LORD!! It is a uterus with breasts!!! GAH!!!!! 
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Posted: 6/8/2005 9:40:58 PM EDT
[#39]
How about Red Dwarf
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Posted: 6/8/2005 9:42:02 PM EDT
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Just as a side note, if any of you are more interested in further technical information about Star Wars, there is a good site that has a ton of information. As a warning, only the most nerdy arfcom members should visit!
 Star Wars techincal commentaries |
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Posted: 6/8/2005 9:46:24 PM EDT
[#41]
 What have the nerds been up to?1?!11 
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Posted: 6/9/2005 3:30:09 AM EDT
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Not quite. That was another technical goof. Spaceflight in Star Wars is really bad wrong. That A-Wing would've been the equivelent of a bug hitting your windshield. Whatever happened in the ship, the ships own thrusters would've been the culprit, not gravity. They were in an established orbit. They should've continued in that orbit. That ship turned 90 degrees after being hit, only it's own thrusters could've done that. But it doesn't matter. Star Wars is Fantasy, not Sci-Fi, so we'll let it slide. |
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Posted: 6/9/2005 9:01:16 AM EDT
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You might be correct, but it is uncertain if the plunge of the Executor was due to engine misfires, or that its gravity repulsors lost control and were unable to resist the gravitational drag placed upon it by the Death Star, which happens to contain some very dense and exotic matter to power its reactor, explaining its unusually high gravitiational drag. It is not clear if the star ships were really ever in a true orbit of Endor as they appear to be artificially holding positon relative to the moon with their engines/repulsorlifts. It is know that the Death Star was being held up by massive repulsorlifts to help keep it in position over the shield generator complex. |
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Posted: 6/9/2005 9:03:48 AM EDT
[#44]
Wouldn't it have been MUCH easier and use much less energy to put it in a geostationary orbit? |
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Posted: 6/9/2005 9:04:25 AM EDT
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and the borg would assimilate them all, so HA! |
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Posted: 6/9/2005 9:12:34 AM EDT
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The Macross Valkyries ARE the space combat dream machine- but unfortunately even with fusion power and removing the need for volitile fuel (they do carry some reaction mass-hydrogen, water, compressed air something like that) their transformation sequence is STILL impossible. Alas. I seriously doubt we will ever have actuators that small and that powerful to fit in that kind of space and yet work in gravity and atmosphere. Shoji Kawamori, the director and the origninal mechanical designer for Macross had such obsession to detail though that the impossible Valkyries actually LOOK more realistic than the technically acheveable Gundam Mobile Suits- in large part due to the Gundam world mechs child friendly box o Crayola color schemes and silly antenna. The best SciFi space craft are the Babylon 5 Star Fury, and the Gundam RX-78GP01Fb from the Gundam 0083 OAV. And even though I hate the series as a whole, and most of the other mecha designs are silly, the Leo Space Type from Gundam Wing is not bad either... It would be interesting to see the two go head to head. The Star Fury is so simple as to make you go "Damn why the hell have they not built that yet". And its tiny. Mobile Suits are as far to the opposite as you can get as far as size and complexity. But that complexity allows them to be both fighters in free space and to be able to land on and occupy space objects themselves without having to wait for specialized landing craft to deliver the Marines. And their ability to shoot off boresight using their arms and hands to aim weapons is quite useful too. |
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Posted: 6/9/2005 9:14:46 AM EDT
[#47]
I thought it WAS in geostationary orbit, its how it looked in the hologram showing it that they they played in the breifing scene. |
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Posted: 6/9/2005 9:25:50 AM EDT
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The Death Star is far too close to the planet/moon for being so large without using some sort of technology to asist it to stay up. Remember, in SW, power genration is very easy and ample, it would not be that big of an issue to hold it up like it is withe their power technology. Here is a quote from the SWTC about the DS2 in orbit over Endor. www.theforce.net/swtc/holocaust.html
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Posted: 6/9/2005 11:12:36 AM EDT
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I want to know HOW they know the mass of the Death Star, the Mass of the Moon, the DS's altitude and orbital speed. For Earth it would have been too low & slow - but another planet? No where NEAR enough information to make that determination. Cheap energy? On a scale that large? Even Star Trek doesn't try to make that kind of claim (and their tech is MUCH cooler/more advanced). I'm agreeing with the other post much more 'fantasy' than sci-fi. |
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Posted: 6/9/2005 11:55:51 AM EDT
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If you read some of the articles on the site, they are very long, you can find out how he makes many of his assumptions. Granted, thats all they are, but he has put a TON of time and work into it. As far as the size, altitude of orbit, and so forth, he draws conclusions from the many scenes in the movies and novel sources. For one, we observed the death star in a scene from the ground. With math, we can use the angle of the sky the DS takes up to determine altitude as we know the diameter of the DS is about 900km. The size of Endor is thought to be very close to Earth or Mars based on the fact it has a breathable O2 atmosphere, and an Ewok can fly a simple glider so that gives us an idea about how thick the air is. He estimates it to be about 5200km in dia. Another good tidbitwww.theforce.net/swtc/ds/
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